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To Deceive Even The Elect

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murdog

My Brothers and Sisters,

I am greatly concerned about the worldliness of the Church today. And I also cannot believe the foolishness of the things being preached today. Are people so unable to discern between the holy and the profane?

The Holy Spirit keeps reminding me of the scripture in 1 Timothy about how there will come a time when men will no longer put up with sound doctrine but they will gather around them teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear. Is this not that time? Have their ever been more itching ears?

Church members today don't want to hear about holiness, producing fruit in keeping with repentance, suffering, being persecuted, denying oneself or taking up their cross. In fact the gospel that Jesus declared is hardly ever mentioned anymore. Let's face it, his gospel is bad for business. It just doesn't promote church growth.

Another glaring trend I have observed these days in churches is the fact that ministers don't preach the word anymore. They sound more like polished motivational speakers who have spent more time reading Psychology Today than they have their bibles.

How are we ever going to be found spotless, blameless and living at peace with Him when people don't even know what He requires of them. Holiness is not optional.

If I hear one more person distort the scriptures to tell me that Godliness is a means to financial gain I am going to cry. I am serious. I can't believe how deceived so many people are. People that should know better. Don't they read their bibles?

What do they do with scriptures like :

Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth

If we have food and clothing, we will be content with that

Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have

You cannot serve two masters

Men of corrupt mind who have been robbed of the truth who think that godliness is a means of financial gain

People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plungle men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

When are we going to come back to Jesus?

Murray

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PaulWest

I feel your burden and your pain, brother. I deal with the products of the modern gospel all the time. You can't even mention sin anymore. "Sin? What's that? Oh, you mean my occasional mess-ups? Well, nobody's perfect, so stop judging." I'm so tired of dealing with this mindset.

Just this last weekend, I was witnessing to a woman interested in Wicca. She wanted to come by my office to "open the lines of communication" with God. I told her not to bother; God will not hear her. I then quoted Isaiah 59:2 and she got really upset, as she considered herself very spiritual and a friend of God. I told her that she was actually his enemy, and needed to repent. I lovingly, gently told her this, I explained sin, judgment, hell, the atoning blood of Jesus Christ, forgiveness and eternal life. I offered to pray for her, and she accepted.

Well, today I received a hateful email from her, demanding a formal apology for verbal abuse. She told me I had no right to call her an enemy of God. Then she said she got on "Yahoo answers" and spoke with some real "Christians" who told her I was wrong to say the things I did. That real "Christians" understand and accept all different faiths and are not arrogant and judgmental like that "false preacher" who spoke to her.

Friends, this is so sad. The ones who do the most damage to the Kingdom are the ones who claim to march under the same banner as we do. It's mutiny, it's high treason! Their soft, effiminate "gospel" sends more people to hell than anything else in the universe. Satan knew what he was doing when he began tinkering with the gospel.

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WorldView

To true. Recognizing one's condition is the firt step to fixing it, yet the majority of the Body of Christ doesn't wasnt to recognize where they really are at. It is ignorance and a lack of true discernment.

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roaringlamb

It is grieving to see what is allowed, much less considered "christian" these days. As I was praying the other morning a scripture continued to pop into my mind. Here it is, and I believe it is fitting for us all.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Though it will be difficult, brethren hold tight to the "truth" of the scriptures, better still hold tight to The Truth Himself.
If you look around christendom at the moment the very Bible itself is being attacked, the fundamentals of Christianity are being challenged as being out of date in a post-modern world. Men are twisting scripture to suit there own desire, and unfortunately many are being drawn after them could this be the great falling away Paul wrote of?
But brethren know your Bible, know the voice of the Holy Spirit,because if you don't, I do not care who you are or how long you've been a Believer you will be sucked in. It is that appealing, and that provocative.
My heart goes out to all on this site as I know there is a common heart for truth, let us please pray for one another that we wold finish our course strongly and to bring pleasure to our LORD.

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enid

Psalm 119v136 says 'Rivers of water run down from my eyes because men do not keep Your law'
I always thought this spoke in relation to the unsaved. It does, but I also believe the Church in the West is a grief to God, being neither hot nor cold, as it says in Revelation.
It is heartbreaking to see the state of the Church today, inefficient and deficient in the things of God. If God was really our God, we would worship Him. I mean really worship Him. Sometimes, spend the time worshipping God for who He is, rather than praying for what WE want.
Who isn't hungry for revival? Who isn't hungry for God? Who isn't hungry to see God glorified as His power is revealed on the earth in different ways? We all are.
Yes, we are living in the last days, but God is still God. God bless.

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sermonindex

The Church of Jesus Christ has always been a slow growing Church.

Orm

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enid

In Acts 2 3,000 were added to the Church on the day of Pentecost, 5,000 in Acts 4. Slow growing?

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enid wrote:
In Acts 2 3,000 were added to the Church on the day of Pentecost, 5,000 in Acts 4. Slow growing?
Yup.. What you site to disprove me, for reasons that allude me, was but a kick start to get it off the ground.

Orm

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freedbyjc

Complacency, tolerence of the tainted word and lack of obedience...sounds like a lot of "SAVED" are going to hear the infamous words that they have always thought of as belonging to the 'other' brother/sister.

[i] [b]The Sheep and the Goats[/b]
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on the left.
34 Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you took care of Me; I was in prison and you visited Me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink?
38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or without clothes and clothe You?
39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and visit You?’
40 “And the King will answer them, ‘I assure you: Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’
41 Then He will also say to those on the left, [b]‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels!
42 For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger and you didn’t take Me in; I was naked and you didn’t clothe Me, sick and in prison and you didn’t take care of Me.’[/b]

44 “Then they too will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or without clothes, or sick, or in prison, and not help You?’
45 “Then He will answer them, ‘I assure you: Whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me either.’
46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”[/i]

Again this was written to the 'saved' not the lost. Not only in these specific see-act instances but in all things, we are denying God and offending Christ's sacrifice when we do not do that which He calls us to do.

Christ made salvation so simple for us...Believe, Repent, Confess, ...we KNOW Him, we surrender our worthless lives to Him and we OBEY Him...we're baptized and we rise from the water to walk the life He lays out for us. As we draw near to Christ, moment-by-moment, we will then walk in His power, heal His children and bring Him the Glory that is His right and His desire.

We are the ones who choose to complicate our lives by wandering off the path and seeking our own fulfillment, when we 'know' He will supply all that we need.

If your preacher is preaching anything other than the Gospel, call him to task, upclose and personal, and tell Him seek a right relationship Christ so that he will know how to address God's children. If he will not listen, lovingly show him Matthew 18...

[i][b]Restoring a Brother[/b]
15 “If your brother sins against you, [/i]
[as you are a child of God, he is sinning against you and the rest of his listeners if he is offending God] [i]go and rebuke him in private.If he listens to you, you have won your brother. [/i]

And ALWAYS be prepared to continue to walk the walk if he is not convinced ...

[i] 16 But if he won’t listen, take one or two more with you, so that by the testimony of two or three witnesses every fact may be established.
17 If he pays no attention to them, tell the church.But if he doesn’t pay attention even to the church, let him be like an unbeliever and a tax collector to you.
18 I assure you: Whatever you bind on earth is already bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth is already loosed in heaven.
19 Again, I assure you: [b]If two of you on earth agree about any matter [u]that you pray for[/u], it will be done for you by My Father in heaven. [/b]
20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there among them.” [/i]

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enid

Not disprove, question. Growth has slowed down, definitely. But then, prayer is not what it was back then. That is less prayer, less souls, more prayer, more souls. God bless.

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sermonindex


enid wrote:
Not disprove, question. Growth has slowed down, definitely. But then, prayer is not what it was back then. That is less prayer, less souls, more prayer, more souls. God bless.

You have to mean less relationship with the Father, less souls saved, correct?

God bless you,

Orm

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enid

Correct!

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OverSeer

Dear Brothers and Sisters:

What is being described by this thread is exactly what God has told us in His Word will happen in the last days. The Bible teaches that there is a coming counterfeit revival.

It is predicted (prophesied) that before the Lord Jesus Christ comes back that the apostasy must come first (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3). There will be a turning away from [i]the faith[/i] which was once for all handed down to the saints. This is brought about by false prophets proclaiming a false, wide-gate gospel that is based on pragmatism (results) and humanism (man-centered instead of God-centered)and ultimately ends in Socialism/Capitalism. This false gospel offers response to Jesus without repentance; it offers grace without guilt; and it offers a crown without a cross.

The coming counterfeit revival is also illustrated in the Bible in Matthew 13:24-30; 36-43, in the Lord's parable of the wheat and the tares. This parable teaches of the corruption of the kingdom with a false growth. But to me the interesting aspect of the parable is the fact that the Divine order of harvest is, "[i][b]First[/b][/i] gather up the tares and bind them in bundles..." (v. 30). The tares are bundled up before the wheat are gathered into the barn. God is going to clean His church up before He presents her to His Son. The tares (counterfeit Christians) will be drawn in by the false prophets and their false gospel of "easy-believism."

The coming counterfeit revival is also elucidated (clarified) in the Bible. The Bible tells us of [i]the people[/i] of the counterfeit revival - unregenerate church members who have a form of godliness but deny its power (2 Timothy 3:1-5). The Bible tells us of [i]the problem[/i] that leads to the counterfeit revival - itching ears that turn (literally apostasize) from the truth (2 Timothy 4:3-4). And the Bible tells us of [i]the purpose[/i] of the counterfeit revival. It is a just and judicial judgment of God who gives to people who would not believe the truth what they want - lies! (see 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12).

While these are "difficult days in which to minister", don't give up. Now more than ever there is the need of the church being the pillar and support of the truth, holding forth the Word of life and leading people to the knowledge of the truth. "Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever" (Daniel 12:3).

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sermonindex

"Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever" (Daniel 12:3).

"Insight" being the key, eh?

How does one get that?


Orm

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freedbyjc

Insight comes through a personal intimate relationship with Christ.

Living in His light and power moment-by-moment and seeking the Holy Spirit's discernment in all manners and matters.

Knowing the Word of God, it precepts and its promises.

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OverSeer

You're right brother, insight and discernment are synonyms and it is the Word of God that gives it - "I have more [i]insight[/i] than all my teachers, [i][b]for[/b][/i] Your testimonies are my meditation" (Psalm 119:99).

Also Proverbs 2:1-12 teaches the same truth on how to have insight and discernment - it comes from receiving God's Word and treasuring His commmandments within you.

Grace and peace
Olan

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freedbyjc wrote:
Insight comes through a personal intimate relationship with Christ.

Living in His light and power moment-by-moment and seeking the Holy Spirit's discernment in all manners and matters.

Knowing the Word of God, it precepts and its promises.

And of course learning obedience as He learned it; by the things He suffered, eh?

Question: That verse ever bother anyone?
...and yes, I am going somewhere with this.
:-(rm

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murdog

Brothers and Sisters,

I guess I should not be shocked by the state of the North American Church, but at the same time it is disheartening. Jesus, Peter and Paul all warned that there would be false apostles, false teachers and false brethren.

Of course people would rather believe that they don't have to live a holy life, when there is the Jesus presented in the other gospel that is your best friend no matter what you do.

I think what frightens me the most, is the extent of the people deceived. I mean senior pastors, deacons, and Christians who have been going to church for thirty years are buying in to a gospel which entertains but does not convict people of sin. The holy scriptures are not read aloud. Prayer is hollow and hurried. The messages given are meant to pump you up and at the same time assure you that you are a friend of God while living a worldly existance.

Everyone wants to be exalted. Everyone wants to be appreciated. Everyone wants to be rewarded.

Lord, I want to overcome. It is my heart that I don't compromise. Lord help us, teach us, please don't spew us out of your mouth.

Murray

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freedbyjc

Ok...I'll bite! ;-)

Which verse? Where are you headed?

Take us upward, Dear one... ;-)

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Limey153

It certainly is amazing how so many people get tricked by false teaching, I think it very comes down to the fact that all too many people are led according to the lusts of their flesh and not the spirit of God.

Galatians 5
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Like me I'm sure you all could write a huge long list of preachers (oops, sorry I mean False Prophets), who love to teach selfish ambitions, heresies and envy as described in Vs 20 & 21 as lusts of the flesh. How increasingly rare it is to find preachers who preach things like longsuffering and self-control.

Praise God though that by his spirit we can stay clear of such flesh driven teaching, I have to confess that if it were not for his awesome faithfulness and his steady hand that guides me I may very well be one of these false prophets myself. Praise God for sites like Sermon Index, it certainly is like breath of fresh air to find a website with such an abundance of sound teaching. :-)

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sermonindex

I think we need to be careful about calling people false prophets. If we start calling everyone false prophets that don't believe the way we bwlieve pretty soon everyones a false prophet. He's a false prophet, she's a false prophet, their a false prophet, mickey mouse is a false prophet, ect... Sometimes it's just lack of understanding. You have to give EVEN preachers room for growth.

I guess Peter was a false prophet when Paul withstood him to his face about mixing law with grace.

Yes there are many false prophets but you better have all your I's dotted and your T's crossed before you expose them or you might face the judgement of God for touching his annointed. Don't just walk around calling everyone false prophets. You can say their teaching false doctrine but that does'nt necessarily mean their a false prophet. It may just mean lack of growth or spiritual immaturity. They may be fooled by these false teachings themselves. it takes another minister who is "longsuffering" and "apt to teach" to stear them in the right direction sometimes.

Paul wrote to Timothy as an older man of God to help him and warn him about things he would face in the ministry. That's what we need to do instead of condemning these preachers. If they chose to continue to preach and teach these things than they will be judged.

J-bird :-D

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OverSeer

Discernment isn't an option for the Christian - it is a necessity and a command. Jesus said, "Beware of false prophets" which necessitates discernment and the Apostle John said, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" which necessitates discernment. I would encourage anyone to search the Scriptures to see just how much it has to say on the subject of false prophets and false teachers.

We really do need to be careful about who we call a false prophet and who we call a true prophet because to be wrong is to be dead wrong! 1 John 4:5-6 says, "They (false prophets) are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them. We (true prophets) are from God; he who knows God (true believers)listens to us (true prophets); he who is not from God (false Christians) does not listen to us (true prophets). By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error."

To call a false prophet true and a true prophet false is to call evil good and good evil and was the deadly mistake of the religious leaders in Jesus' day who called Him, "Beelzebul."

The Bible tells us and equips us how to distinguish between the two. The New Testament epistles are full of the characteristics of the false prophet, but I believe that the Lord's Sermon on the Mount shows the clearest way of identifying these intruders who turn the grace of God into licentiousness. If you have time read this exposition of Matthew 7:13-27 - http://www.devcobaptist.org/templates/cla19bl/details.asp?id=31831&PID=272372

Grace and peace
Olan

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freedbyjc wrote:
Ok...I'll bite! ;-)

Which verse? Where are you headed?

Take us upward, Dear one... ;-)

Lets set the scene:

Jesus, as man, full of the Father and that separated Him - set Him apart from all other men.
He was man as God intended man to be. Having said that and because of His achievement by sustaining His union with the Father, He can now give that same Spiritual disposition that raised Him from the dead, to us, that it might bring about the same relationship in us to the Father as He had. [See John 17:22 (KJV)]
"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one..........."

Now here's the scripture that supports His humanity:

Hebrews 5:7-9 (KJV)
"Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Though he were a Son, [b]yet[/b] [i]learned he obedience by the things which he suffered[/i]; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him..."

What was His suffering about apart from the agape within Him that united Him with the agape of the Father? This is more than intense Love that apart from intimacy with the Father cannot be understood nor apprehended. One will walk alone in this world when it is understood and apprehended because the "Christians" of this world will never accept it; they have compromised their position of faith and these "Christians" find it easy to do so..numbers influence and pursuade. This, of course, is contrary to the Christians of the Kingdom, who are few in number. I hope all here want to be of the calibre. I know i do.

These three verses say much about union with the Father:

Romans 5:5 (KJV)
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Romans 8:39 (KJV)
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

2 Cor. 13:14 (KJV)
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Father is Love; the heart of the matter. The man Jesus was the very expression of the Father-Heart .... in His flesh. How could He do that except this:

The Lord Christ is the first and the last. We were in Him at the first and will be in Him at the last. Between the first and the last we are in the world to become. The first and the last He is responsible for, the in-between is our responsibility. It is given to us to become as He is. Without a vision of the last we will not become. The vision of the last is implanted in us from the first. A revelation of the first brings the vision of the last that will sustain the in-between.... The Man Jesus came through the in-between Gloriously to become Jesus Christ. Now it's our turn. Because He did it we must also and our success will depend on our loving the Father as He did.
How is it He loved with such great love except it was the very Life of the Father within Him ... that is Love.

One thing to point that I be understood: Jesus Christ was always, from the beginning, in the Father's Heart, the very expression of Himself. That's the Reality. However the Divine-Human contained in that name was yet to be proven that it become an Actuality. The Man Jesus accomplished it when He said "It is finished".

I'm open for
discussion and adjustment on this but I sincerely hope you all take the time to read all very carefully. If you do you will find I violate nothing... except maybe someones religious conceit.:-(

:-Drm

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sermonindex

False prophets are usually easy to pick out and it don't take long for them to expose themselves. It's always about MONEY or POWER. Their true colors shine through once they get the ball in their court.
The bible says we should be watchful. But be careful that we don't become an "accuser of the bretheren". The devil wins when we start pointing fingers. He loves it when there's division and caos. That's what he is, an accuser.

Sadly, I must say that I was once an accuser and if it was'nt for the BELT of God I would still be one. I hope I've learned my lesson. I don't want to get beat by my father again.

J-bird :-D

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freedbyjc

Bravo, bravo! ABSOLUTELY Awesome insight rm! I knew there was more that need to be said and you were being coy...

Jesus Christ was always, from the beginning, in the Father's Heart, the very expression of Himself. That's the Reality. However the Divine-Human contained in that name was yet to be proven that it become an Actuality. The Man Jesus accomplished it when He said "[u]It is finished[/u]."

At with that final statement, Jesus, God in flesh, was dead and Jesus the Saviour began his work ...

7 During His earthly life, He offered prayers and appeals, with loud cries and tears, to the One who was able to save Him from death, and [b]He was heard [u]because of His reverence[/u][/b]. 8 Though a Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered. 9 After He was perfected, He became the source of eternal salvation to all [b]who obey Him[/b],10 and He was declared by God a high priest “in the order of Melchizedek.” [HCSB]

or

7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; 10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec. [KJV]

Behold the Lamb of God, Who takes away our sins!

His death was the perfect sacrifice that once again allowed us access to our God but ONLY THROUGH Jesus Christ our personal and intimate High Priest.

What more could there be to discuss? Our personal and intimate relationship with Christ drives our obedience to His commands and precepts and by its nature, these acts of obedience are the expressions of true love for the Son that fuels our passion for the Father.

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What more could there be to discuss? Our personal and intimate relationship with Christ drives our obedience to His commands and precepts and by its nature, these acts of obedience are the expressions of true love for the Son that fuels our passion for the Father.

Not quite... It is intimacy with the Father as Jesus, the Man, had that must fuel our passion; Love for the Lover. Jesus sustained it in His Earthly life and we must learn it for success in Him for ours. It is this quality of love that produced His obedience even unto His suffering and He was pleased to do it. No other quality of ourselves from Him and to Him will sustain us. "And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you". John 16:23 (KJV)

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.....([i]and strength[/i]) Matthew 22:37 (KJV)


It is the Father's agape Being Jesus seeks to have established in us just as He possessed that we too should be in union with Himself--in the Father. In this is His Love fully revealed in us unto Him.

Ponder this verse in light of my attempt to clarify:

"He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. "All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.
John 16:14-15 (NASB-U)

Orm


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freedbyjc

So sorry to leave that unspoken rm...so true.

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sermonindex

Well... is it any surprise that the church is in the shape it is in today? Most American "believers" have NEVER read the Bible cover to cover even once. Most never study their Bible. Oh, they may do a 10 minute devotion... but that is not studying. If you want 10 minutes of blessings from God, do a 10 minute "devotion". If you want a life that God will be pleased with, make the Bible your life.

Here is a list of Christian "leaders" who even have influence in evangelical non-Charismatic churches... and we wonder why people are duped by Mormonism? "Christians" are duped on a regular basis by these clowns... false teachers, false prophets... devils. And when someone like me stands up and warns about them... I'm the one who is attacked.

Here's an interesting list of American Christianities "leaders":

In 1989 JIM BAKKER, head of the very influential Pentecostal PTL television program went to prison for defrauding his followers out of $158 million. He was paroled in 1994 after serving five years of a 45-year sentence. His trial brought to light his lavish lifestyle, which included six luxurious homes and even an air-conditioned dog house. Prosecutors charged Bakker with diverting to his own use $3.7 million of the money that had been given to his "ministry." Bakker also committed adultery with church secretary Jessica Hahn and paid more than $250,000 in an attempt to hush up the matter. Bakker's wife and the former co-host of the PTL Club, Tammy Faye, divorced him while he was in prison and married Roe Messner, an old family friend whose company helped build PTL's Heritage USA resort complex. Today Tammy Faye has a non-judgmental ministry to homosexuals. She appears at "gay-pride" events nationwide, including a Tammy Faye look-alike contest in Washington, D.C., where she was "surrounded by men in falsies and pancake makeup" (Charisma News, November 2002). In January 2000 Bakker told Larry King, "Every person who died in the [Jewish] Holocaust is in heaven." Bakker defended this heretical doctrine in a letter to the editor that appeared in Charisma magazine in June of that year.

A year after the PTL scandal first hit the world's headlines, JIMMY SWAGGART, one of the leading Pentecostal preachers of modern times, created his own scandal when he was caught with a prostitute. At the time, Swaggart had a 6,000-member congregation in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, a 270-acre headquarters, a Bible College, an influential television ministry that reached to many parts of the world (broadcast on 9,700 stations and cable outlets), and a ministry income of $142-million per year. Swaggart is the cousin of Jerry Lee Lewis and both can pound the piano, but whereas Jerry Lee pursued a flamboyant rock & roll career Jimmy pursued a flamboyant gospel career. A report from a Swaggart crusade in Calgary, Alberta, described the "gospel music at acid-rock volumes" and said "it is a good show" with Swaggart "hammering away at the grand piano, sweating and gesturing like Elvis Presley" and "working the audience like Frank Sinatra" (The Courier News, Elgin, Ill., May 20, 1991, p. 5A). Swaggart refused to stay away from the pulpit for a year as the Assemblies of God in Louisiana stipulated for his discipline, so he was disbarred but he continued preaching anyway. He lost three-fourths of his television audience and his Bible college students and a large percentage of his church members; his finances crumbled. But the Jimmy Swaggart scandal wasn't over even though he claimed that when he asked God, "Lord, do you still want me to take this work?" God replied emphatically, "Yesssss! You're in better shape today that you've ever been before" ("Swaggart Back in Pulpit with Tales of Nightmares and Revelation," Religious News Service, May 23, 1988; reprinted in Christian News, June 3, 1988, p. 5). In a television broadcast in May 1988 Swaggart had the audacity to boast, "You are looking at a clean preacher!" and "I do not lie!" (Don Matzat, "The Same Ol' Jimmy," Christian News, May 16, 1988). Perhaps this is because Swaggart had sought counseling from Oral Roberts and Roberts had observed demons with long fingernails digging into Swaggart's flesh and had cast them out (Huntsville Times, Huntsville, Alabama, AP report, March 31, 1988; reported from Calvary Contender, April 15, 1988). Just like that. The exorcism didn't last though. In 1991 Swaggart was again in hot water when police in Indio, California, stopped him on a traffic charge and found that the woman riding with him was a prostitute. In spite of all of this Swaggart is still swaggering, though his crowd isn't very large. On his Sept. 12, 2004, program he said, "I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died."

By the 1980s Pentecostal evangelist PETER POPOFF had a ministry on 51 television channels and 40 radio stations and an annual income of seven million dollars. He also held healing crusades in many cities, during which he would exercise a "word of knowledge" by calling out the names, addresses, and illnesses of strangers who were in attendance. In 1986 the news broke that Popoff's amazing "revelations" were actually broadcast to him by his wife after she had conversed with members of the audience. She transmitted her information by radio signal and Peter could hear her voice through a tiny receiver in his ear. A team of skeptics discovered the ruse and recorded the private broadcasts using a scanning receiver and recording equipment (Los Angeles Times, May 11, 1986). When questioned about the matter by John Dart, religion writer for the Los Angeles Times, Popoff replied that his wife only supplied him with about 50% of the information and the rest he got from the Lord! Popoff was forced to file for bankruptcy in 1987 but by 1990 he was back in business with a new book entitled Dreams, which he announced in a full-page ad in Charisma magazine

ROBERT TILTON, who was voted one of the most popular Pentecostals by Charisma magazine readers in 1983 and appeared on the cover of Charisma in July 1985, was the founder of the Word of Faith Satellite Network, host of Success-N-Life broadcasts, and founder and pastor of the Word of Faith World Outreach Center in Farmers Branch, Texas. He taught the Kenneth Hagin Word-Faith doctrines and promised prosperity and healing to those who supported his ministry and exercised faith. He wrote, "You are ... a God kind of creature" (Tilton, God's Laws of Success, pp. 170--71). In 1990 he said: "Being poor is a sin, when God promises prosperity. New house? New car? That's chicken feed. That's nothing compared to what God wants to do for you" (John Macarthur, Charismatic Chaos, p. 285). In 1991, when his ministry was taking in $80 million, Tilton's empire was shaken when ABC-TV's PrimeTime Live exposed his extravagant lifestyle and his shady fund-raising practices. His estate included an 11,000-square-foot home near Dallas, a condominium in Florida, a yacht, and other assets worth $90 million. The show reported that Tilton's ministry threw thousands of unread prayer requests into the trash even though Tilton claimed to pray over them. He had even claimed: "I laid on top of those prayer requests so much that the chemicals actually got into my bloodstream, and ... I had two small strokes in my brain" (Robert Tilton, Success-N-Life, November 22, 1991). Though Tilton protested that he was the victim of falsehood and sued ABC for libel, the case was thrown out of the courts. Because of the scandal Tilton lost much of his television audience and most of his church members, but he is still on the air and still preaching the prosperity gospel and still begging for donations and still promising God's blessing on those who give.

In 1991 Kansas City prophet BOB JONES' tapes were removed from the Vineyard Ministries International product catalog after he admitted to "a moral failure" (Lee Grady, "Wimber Plots New Course for Vineyard," Charisma, Feb. 1993, p.
64). Jones was using his alleged spiritual authority and "prophetic anointing" to induce women to disrobe.

Pentecostal preacher JAMIE BUCKINGHAM (1933-92) was the author of 40 books that sold 20 million copies, editor-in-chief of Ministries Today magazine, a columnist for Charisma magazine, and pastor of the 2,000-member Tabernacle Church in Melbourne, Florida. Buckingham began his ministry as a Southern Baptist pastor but after being "baptized by the spirit" at a Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship meeting, he became a Pentecostal. Buckingham's "spirit baptism" made him a radical ecumenist who called for unity between Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, and Pentecostals. In an article entitled "Bridge Builders" (Charisma, March 1992, p. 90), he said there is no higher calling than ecumenical bridge building and he praised David Duplessis for building bridges between Pentecostals and Roman Catholics, and Jewish rabbi Yechiel Eckstein for building bridges between Jews and Christians. Buckingham taught that God has promised healing through Christ's atonement, and when he was diagnosed with cancer in 1990 many Pentecostals, including Oral Roberts, prophesied his healing. Buckingham said that God told him personally that he was going to live to be "at least 100 years of
age in good health and with a clear mind." The April 1991 issue of Charisma magazine featured this testimony in "My Summer of Miracles." Note the following excerpt from that article:

"One day my wife suddenly spoke aloud [and] said, 'Your healing was purchased at the cross.' Here is what I discovered. YOU HAVE WHAT YOU SPEAK. If you want to change something, you must believe it enough to speak it. Š If you talk poverty, you'll have it. If you say you're sick, you'll be (and remain) sick. Š despite what the doctors said, I refused to say 'My cancer.' It was not mine. It was the devil's. I didn't have cancer. I had Jesus. The cancer was trying to have me, but THE WORD OF GOD SAID I WAS HEALED THROUGH WHAT JESUS DID ON CALVARY. Š I popped a videotape into my VCR and lay down on the sofa. Š The tape was an Oral Roberts' sermon Š I came up off the sofa, shouting, 'I'M HEALED!' My wife leaped out of her chair and shouted, 'Hallelujah!' For the next 30 minutes all we did was walk around the house shouting thanks to God and proclaiming my healing" (Jamie Buckingham, "My Summer of Miracles," Charisma, April 1991).

Ten months after the publication of this article, on February 17, 1992, Jamie Buckingham died of cancer about 40 years shy of his 100th birthday. Not only did Jamie Buckingham lead others astray with his false teaching but he also deceived himself.

The Cathedral at Chapel Hill near Atlanta, Georgia, founded by EARL PAULK, has been plagued with moral scandals and radical false teaching. At the height of his power Paulk was exceedingly influential. He authored many books, had a large television ministry, was the founder of the International Charismatic Bible Ministries, and a "prophet" in Bill Hamon's Christian International Network of Prophetic Ministries. Paulk amalgamated the Word-Faith doctrine with Reconstructionist or Dominion theology and promoted it widely among Pentecostals. As for the Word-Faith doctrine, Paulk echoes Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland and others when he wrote: "Just as dogs have puppies and cats have kittens, God has little gods. Until we comprehend that we are gods, and begin to act like little gods, we can't manifest the Kingdom of God" (Paulk, Satan Unmasked, pp. 96, 97). Paulk merges this Kingdom Now Word-Faith theology (that Christians are little gods with the authority of Christ on earth) with the dominion doctrine the churches are to unify and then retake the world from Satan and ruler over it before Christ returns. He gives this teaching in books such as Satan Unmasked (1984), Held in the Heavens Until (1985), and Ultimate Kingdom (1986). Paulk wrote in his book The Wounded Body of Christ, "We need not wonder whether He [Jesus] will come back; HE CANNOT. Christ can only return when the people of God have reached that place of unity in which the Spirit and the Bride can say, 'Come'" (p. 73). By 1992, Chapel Hill Harvester Church had 12,000 members and was one of the most prosperous churches in America, but that year DON PAULK, who had taken over as senior pastor from his brother Earl, admitted having an "improper" relationship with a woman staffer. He resigned but was immediately reinstated by the church council. Allegations were made by a group of women about sexual relationships with the Paulks and in 2001 another female church member filed a lawsuit claiming that Paulk molested her when she was a child and into her teenage years, but the accusations were denied and swept under the rug. In August 2005 long-time church member and soloist Mona Brewer and her husband Bobby, who was a major financial supporter of the church, filed a lawsuit against Earl Paulk alleging that she was manipulated into being his paramour for 14 years. Brewer says that the members were conditioned to give unconditional obedience to the pastor, who called himself "Archbishop Paulk," and that he taught her that those who are spiritually exalted can have sexual relationships and it isn't adultery. He called it "kingdom relationships." She says that Paulk even shared her with family members and visiting Charismatic preachers. This case was featured on CCN's Paula Zahn Now program on Jan. 19, 2006, but as of March 2006 Paulk's television program was still broadcast on Trinity Broadcasting Network.

In 2000, CLARENCE MCCLENDON, pastor of Pentecostal Church of the Harvest International in Los Angeles and prominent "bishop" in the International Communion of Charismatic Churches, divorced his wife and a mere week later married another woman. His first wife, who accused him of fathering a child out of wedlock, took their three children and moved to Hawaii, but Clarence went right on as if nothing had happened and he had all of the support he needed. Charisma magazine observed that "in just a few months, members of his new congregation were dancing in the aisles in their new facility, and the talented young preacher was back on the conference circuit, no questions asked. ... McClendon enjoys the spotlight on Christian television, and he shares pulpits with top leaders in our movement" (Lee Grady, "Sin in the Camp," Charisma, Feb. 2002).

In 2002 ROBERTS LIARDON, pastor of Embassy Christian Center in Irvine, California, and influential Pentecostal author, acknowledged that he had "a homosexual relationship" (Charisma News, Jan. 31, 2002), though he was back in the ministry without weeks.

On September 12, 2004, the Los Angeles Times reported that PAUL CROUCH OF TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK had paid $425,000 in 1998 to Enoch Lonnie Ford, an employee at TBN, to keep him from going public with his allegation that they had a homosexual encounter. It was after Ford threatened to sue that Crouch paid almost a half-million dollars to keep the matter quiet. TBN also paid thousands of dollars in debts that Ford had accrued. Crouch denied the allegations and tried to blacken the character of his accuser, which was not difficult to do. Ford is a convicted sex and drug offender, but it seems very strange that Crouch would pay such a large sum to a man if there was no truth to his allegation. Ford wrote his testimony of the affair but it was sealed by the courts after Crouch sued to have the matter squelched.

In 2004, PAUL CAIN, the most prominent Pentecostal prophet, was exposed as a homosexual and an alcoholic ("Paul Cain, "Latter Rain Prophet of Renown Is Now Discredited," The Plumbline, December 2004).

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freedbyjc wrote:
So sorry to leave that unspoken rm...so true.

Thats alright. Most of Christendom doesn't even realize thats the reason the Church, as we know it, hasn't prospered..But God always has His remnant who are His people. They will function.

:-(rmly

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