Shock&Awe Videos

It's been heavy on my heart for some time now to film and edit good, solid, biblical open air preaching.

So I recently started the job.

Here are my first two videos.

Many more are coming soon!!

OPERATION SHOCK & AWE

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E1BtMvtUpQ
(This is actually part two, but is more fitting as part one. It comes with special WarCry battle theme introduction)

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Isjq6GBxM
(With rare and never before released footage)

I listened Jesse, to several vids.

Question[s]:

1. Where is the message of reconcilation?

2. Where is the message of God's love?

3. Where is God's love in your tone?

Most of all I heard was a hard note of condemnation from your opinion, even though you may have quoted from the scriptures. Your opinion was all I heard which made the scriptures you quoted of none effect. I can argue with your opinion and they did. I can't argue with the scriptures that have power in themselves. That then raises the issue of anointing upon the scriptures you used.. I didn't sense any. Consequently, you "piped a tune and nobody sang; you sang a dirge and nobody mourned".

So I need to ask you, do you believe your calling to be because of the need for souls to be saved or is your calling of the Lord Jesus Christ, to be in union with Him?

Respectfully,

Orm

The video clips I had available were very limited.

The ones I used were not the best as far as content goes.

And were not the best either as far as crowd interaction goes.

This past semester we preached on the campuses 5 days a week, for 6-7 hours a day.

During that time the crowd would be arguementative, or quite and respectful.

Sometimes they would heckle, sometimes ask questions.

Sometimes they would ask a theological question or make a theological comment that needed to be comment on, because they were hiding their sin behind it.

Sometimes they would ask an apologetical question or make an apologetical comment, regarding evolution or something of that sort. So we needed to give an apologetical answer.

Sometimes we focus on preaching against sin and preaching the Law, if the crowd was proud.

Other times we emphasised grace and mercy, if the crowd was humble.

Every audience and every campus and every open air is different.

But the clips I had from last semester were not the best clips, as you can see.

But now that I have a video camera I'll be able to get clips with much better content.

So more videos are coming soon.

[b]The glory that excels

The Lord . . . hath sent me that thou mightest receive thy sight. Acts 9:17.

When Paul received his sight he received spiritually an insight into the Person of Jesus Christ, and the whole of his subsequent life and preaching was nothing but Jesus Christ—“I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.” No attraction was ever allowed to hold the mind and soul of Paul save the face of Jesus Christ.

We have to learn to maintain an unimpaired state of character up to the last notch revealed in the vision of Jesus Christ.

The abiding characteristic of a spiritual man is the interpretation of the Lord Jesus Christ to himself, and the interpretation to others of the purposes of God. The one concentrated passion of the life is Jesus Christ. Whenever you meet this note in a man, you feel he is a man after God’s own heart.

Never allow anything to deflect you from insight into Jesus Christ. It is the test of whether you are spiritual or not. To be unspiritual means that other things have a growing fascination for you.[/b]

Chambers, O. (1993, c1935). My utmost for his highest : Selections for the year (April 2). Grand Rapids, MI: Discovery House Publishers.

I wonder why you are posting them for us.

The purpose of me making these videos is to "convict the sinners and comfort the Saints" which ought to be the goal of all preaching.

I want these videos to encourage the body of Christ. But not only encourage them to open air preach, but also equip them for the tast.

It seems the videos are doing their job!

I normally do not share personal emails, but these are a few that have really encouraged me:

Here is a young brother in the Lord, who wants to start open air preaching!

What I see you doing, as far as your preaching goes, is very similar to what I read in scripture. My heart longs to be involved with REAL Christianity. I can remember around a year ago, I came accross your website and read of the stories, especially the one when you went to Orlando and witnessed the gross immorality and preached there with others. When I read that story, my eyes flooded with tears because of it
and I so wished that I could go with you and preach.

Since last year, when I first saw your preaching
and desired to be involved somehow in what your doing, that desire still has been in me, sometimes more, sometimes less. I cannot help but express my mind to you. I see these videos of the preaching that is going on and see God moving among you and its as though the center of my soul is drawn to be preaching with you all, though I've never preached in my life, am just
16, all I have done is pass out tracts (perhaps from the time I was 14 to now, only 5,000), yet I so want to be involved by whatever means nessesery.

Here is one from a brother who was inspired by the ministry and the videos:

You are an inspiration to me! Going into the lion's den only shows to me that, Jesus did indeed rise from the dead. I viewed one of the videos and picked up on the fact that even church kids were arguing with you. Today, In America, being a Christian means nothing, and I mean nothing. At 21 it is incredible the call the Lord has placed on your life.

Seeing you reminds me of this verse: A MAN WHO IS DILIGENT IN HIS WORK, WILL STAND BEFORE KINGS. Since you represent the KING OF KINGS, the Lord will give you audience in places you can't even imagine. The Gospel today has little relevance. I'm convinced that few people in the church are saved.

Little do the people that hear you speak realize, that just like when Jesus was being nailed to the cross, He was dying to save the ones pounding in the nails, when you preach, you are doing it for the ones that taunt and try to humiliate you. Please keep carrying your cross. We need a million more like you! I'm convinced that the place missionaries are needed most in the world, IS IN THE AMERICAN CHURCH!

COLLEGE CAMPUS CROWDS REMIND ME OF what Paul said in the book of Romans, "PROFESING THEMSELVES TO BE WISE, THEY HAVE BECOME FOOLS! " Never back down dear brother! Be clothed in the Lord and in the power of His might! THE HOUR IS LATE AND THE LABORERS ARE FEW

Here's one from another young brother who was encouraged and wants to start preaching!

Hey Brother Jesse,

I just watched those two videos, they encouraged my soul very much, may the Lord use them for His Glory! Man i sure would love to come with you guys on a circut. If theres ever an opening let me know please.

I'm always excited when I get emails from people who want to start preaching, because the Lord said that the laborers are so few!!

We should be grieved and burdened over sinners going to hell so much, that we would lay down our reputations and our comforts to give them warning. Yet how few of us actually do that!

So I'm very glad people are being encouraged on these videos to take the gospel to where it belongs!

But I not only want these videos to encourage Christians, I am also hoping that unsaved people who surf YouTube might come across these videos, come under conviction of their sin, and put their faith in Jesus Christ.

I know that the Word of God will never return void. It will get the job done.

Hello Jesse,

I would just like to say: God bless you for the obedience in your heart and for preaching the whole counsel of God. I thank God for the fruit in your life and the love God has given you.

"Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed." Isaiah 66:5

"Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." [1 Th 2:15-16]

-Abraham

Personally I think Jesse you need to plainly stop looking for the approval of men and do simply what God has put on your heart to do. There is way to much controversy that you try to arise at times and if it for the sake of growth of others I could understand but mostly it goes beyond that.

I love you brother and have enjoyed our times of fellowship but I would say to you that just go and not look for the approval or applause of men, even making these type of videos really doesn't do much for your ministry as towards God.

Be of no reputation and seek the glory of Christ alone. I hope that does not tear down anything that is from God but brings devestation to any of your own kingdoms you are building in your heart even the small ones. Go onwards of the glory of Christ alone and make known His gospel. time is short and we will all be before Him.

"marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you." - 1 John 3:13

I'd like to issue an apology if I have given the impression that I'm looking to steal any glory or honor away from Jesus!! God forbid!!! What a terrible crime that is!!

My only motive behind making these videos is to promote the Kingdom of God. And to spread a message of repentance and faith in Jesus even on the internet.

There is such a lack of good open air preaching videos. There are a few out there, but only a few. But if we are going to reach the masses, the Churches need to have some open air preachers. And I'd like to just do my apart, even if it's small, to help that.

A great need today is for open air preachers who will call America and the world to repentance and faith. Who, "knowing the terror of the Lord" will "persuade men" knowing that "by the fear of the Lord men depart from evil".

I only want people to be encouraged by these videos and possibly equipped.

These videos are not the best, but I still think they are good.

The next ones will be even better, because I'll be able to film a lot of other preachers who are far, far better at preaching then I am.

Once again, I apologies if I have ever given the impression that I'm seeking glory by what I am doing. I am not. In fact, my ministry often brings the opposite upon me.

But God's will be done. And God's Word be preached!!

I have prayed to the Lord before I wrote this response to you, so as not to be speaking from my flesh or to stumble a brother like yourself.

You said the reason for posting these video's was to "comfort the saints". I am a sinner saved by Grace and the wonderous provisions of Jesus Christ, and I am here to tell you that I am NOT comforted.

Quite the opposite, I am grieved to my core, to the depth of my soul for several reasons in response to what I viewed on your video's.

The first reason I am grieved and heartbroken is that you are NOT preaching the Love of Jesus, His sacrifice, His Passion, you are not preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Instead your are haranguing and dealing out harsh human condemnation upon lost and hurt people, and doing it under the guise of some twisted interpetation of what you percieve as the "Lord's calling" upon you, to engage in argumentative public confrontations upon people who live on a knife's edge of decideing whther to drink of the Living Waters or not, and you instead in your fleshly immaturity offer them bile and wormwood. I do NOT see the Heart of Christ in your public utterances.

We are told to make the Gentiles ENVIOUS of this great love we have recieved, and there is nothing in your public ministry that would make the Gentiles envious of what we have recieved.
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You say you preach out of love to save the lost, from those who do not believe in this great salvation, to save them from eternal separation from a just God, but after witnessing your public ministry, I say that you are doing the opposite, you are driving them AWAY from Jesus.

I noticed that your "audience" maintains a far distance from you. Don't fall into the delusion that this is because you are holy, and the devil within them recoils from this holiness. It is because even the lost hurting conused poeple wandering the campus can discern that there is no love within you, only a hateful argumentative harsh spirit, and people, instinctly recoil from such venom, as you display. There is no meekness, no love, and no humility nor winsomeness in your public discourse.

I know you fancy yourself as engaging in a "John the Baptist" type of ministry, but remember this, John the Baptist was only a forerunner of Christ, who said he was not fit to tie the sandals of Jesus. and John the Baptist was in loving intimate ministry with desperate people, he touched them when he baptised them, He got up close and personal when ministering to the lost and hurting.

You have told me that you loved the "Life of Brainerd", and I assume you have read this annointed and wonderful book of this saints journals. I have read it three times, I say that not to boast, but there is something heavenly and inspiring about the writing of this precious saint. Fully the first third of his journals is lamenting his unworthiness for minstry and his unprofitability to discharge his calling of God, he underwent much preparation and self examination before he went among the Indians and frontier folk, and then he preached to them with gehtleness and humility, and the fruit recived was a true miracle, so uplifting.

Have you REALLY read this book with an open heart? Have you ever tried to model your ministry on this yielded saint?

From what i have seen on the videos I think not.

Even two "church-goers" as you so termed them, called you on what you are doing, and instead of engaging them in a respectful repose of listening, you just shouted over them. That black sister was testifying with more authority than you could muster. I oculd discern that she loved Jesus, and you were doing your worst to alienate her. That gray haired lady, who called you a little boy, was trying to engage you in correction, and you just shouted her down.

Thats not Jesus' love, that just fleshly religious pride and immaturity.

Dear sister Diane wrote you a wise post and you totally blew her off, or even addressed her concerns in a thoughtful loving manner, rejoicing that an older sister in the Lord was attempting to help steer you in a direction that will yield fruit.

You just closed your ears and mind, because you are OUT of submission to the Body of Christ, you are out of submission to Godly correction. You are a 21 year old kid, newly saved and you are wandering around like a bull in a china shop, except that china is just a piece of ceramic, we are talking about the souls of people.

Furthermore, I always thought the title of this minstry of yours "Operation Shock and Awe" was a poor choice of words, totally out of synch with the message of Grace, its more like something that a bunch of zealot kids cooked up.

I remember my BC days, and if I was unfortunate to stumble across your public ministry, your ill prayed out public utterances would have driven me far from a God whose message is Love and Grace in Jesus Christ. I shudder to think how many of the lost you are driving away on those public campus's.

Now let me talk about the plank in my eye. Krispy and I had been engaging in cyber tussles over the most trivial issues, stuff we disagree on, but God loves us both, and in the unity of Christ, and thru PM's we have come to love one another, it was only THRU Christ that we were able to do this.

I write these words not to hurt you, or insult you,make you feel bad about yourself, or to discourage you from public ministry, I write them as the Lord leads me, because I am so grieved at what I saw in those videos, and I must admonish you on this, and urge you to seek a time in the desert to be honed by God, becuase you are going off the rails, big time, and stumbling others in the process, and bringing discredit to Jesus' message of love and grace in Him.

Many will try and flatter you, I was quite baffled why instead of adressing the concerns of Diane, you post private emails written by those who desire to flatter itching ears. It smacks of religious pride.

I pray Greg reads this and discerns my intent on writing such a harsh letter to you, not to start trouble, but by clearly and forthrightly rebuking you in the Holy Spirit, not in my flesh nor in my opinion.

Here's the last thing that grieves me, in the past those in this fellowship have attempted to call you, a 21 year old, on a ministry that has gone awry. I feel that all I have poured out from my heart to you will just fall on deaf immmature eras, and you will just continue to engage in a ministry that bears bile, argument, confusion and hatred, while dressing it in the Robes of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I won't pray against your ministry, but I pray you will wake up and see your error.

Hoping against hope, bartle

I've been following you too for awhile. I speak from a limited view-point, albeit, but I still will share with you what I feel. I may be wrong, and God will have to be the judge of my words, but anyhow...

I believe there is something grievely wrong with the way that you and your "team" conduct yourself. I cannot put my finger on any direct thing except that you barely ever mention Jesus Christ & His resurrection. I say this as a fellow brother in the Lord: I just see something amiss in your ministry Jesse. Something doesn't resonate with my spirit with what you guys are doing.

I just do not understand how you can yell at people in their sins and tell them to 'stop sinning' as if this was some works based religion. They can't stop sinning! They need Jesus to free them from their sin! Why did you not mention Jesus??!?! I don't get it man. I honestly haven't heard you really preach the Gospel, ever. That saddens me. I see a lack of focus on the whole theme of what you are to be preaching, that God has made a plan for man to come to Him, and it is through Jesus Chrsit, it is His reconciliation. This, I do not see, or hear. All I see is you yelling and arguing with sinners, which is pointless. Do you think Paul argued with sinner's, theologically or whatnot? No, he came with no intellectual knowledge but what he had known in Christ. There are times for reasoning, sure, but when you are preaching to lost sinners, you don't try to debate with them and tell try to convince them that their lost. God does that.

I know it is just a bird's eye, from what I've heard and seen, but nonetheless it does speak for itself. What you uploaded in all of your past videos reflects what you deem important and whatnot. You may say this is not all of what you preached, but it is still an unacceptable, works-based, Gospel, I believe.

Greg, while he shouldn't seek the approval of men, he should seek the discernment, encouragement, and support from his fellow brothers & sisters in Christ. (I don't think he was searching for approval in the first place though.)

I hope my words are not taken offensively, I only mean to share with you what is on my heart.

Jordan

Just because there seems to be some confusion about what I preach (because of the shortness of these clips), if I even preach about grace ever or not, I thought I'd make these audios available.

http://newenglandoutreach.com/audio/

If you listen to the audios, I'm sure you'll see how my preaching is calm, civil, gentle, and yet strong. How I do dispute, but I do so with reasonable and persuasive arguements. How I preach both about sin and the Savior, and how it's Jesus Christ that is the answer, how Jesus Christ saves men from sin and hell. How sinners are not only going to hell, and are condemned already, but also how they can be saved, through Jesus Christ.

No doubt some will still not like these audios. I am sharp and personal in my rebukes against sin. But I humbly hope some will be able to rejoice at the preaching found in these audios. And that these too might be an encouragement and possibly even equipping to Christians with a desire to share their faith and see sinners saved from sin and hell through Jesus Christ.

The first video I said, "Get out of the sea of sin and into the boat of Christ"

and in the second video I said, "You can be a protestant and go to hell. You can be a Catholic and go to hell. The point is without Jesus...Jesus is the answer"

I often say things like that in my preaching. But these videos are short, and so are the preaching clips. I didn't edit the clips much, they were just the only clips I had. Miles took film using his picture camera, so I used whatever shots he got.

Though I preach a lot about sin, hell, and judgment. It is only so that I can point people to the Savior Jesus Christ. I too wish that there was more of that in these videos. And I am making a conscience affort to assure that for future movies. Because while it may not be an emphasis in these videos, it certainly is an emphasis in our preaching!!

As Joseph Alliene said in his classic "Alarm to Uncovered sinners", "What do I mean by trying to terrify you about hell? Is it to torment you before your time? No, but so that you would come to Jesus Christ." Or something to that affect.

I said that the content of these videos are not good. But I did not mean that what I was saying was not good. The motive was love and the content was biblical. But I meant that the content was not the best because what the film covered was so limited. They are short little bits that do not cover the full preaching of the full councel of God that we do during the hours and days we are on a campus.

So the upcoming videos will have more full length clips, that will have preaching of the law, sin, apologetics, the cross, the new birth, grace, mercy for those who repent etc etc in a more indepth way, rather then just short clips of this or of that.

I think these videos are good. But I think that I could do better.

I was encouraged by this ministry. I have been a street preacher for 3 years. Mostly one on ones and small groups. However the last ten weekends that i have gone out it has been open air. In high populated areas and downtown San diego, there are 6.5 billion people in the world. Could you get those videos on google? If a person doesn't preach it is very hard to judge one because they dont know how it is.Let us tear down strongholds in prayer, amen.

As soon as we begin to get away from making Christ-likeness our paramount object then we get into many curious ways to "do" christianity and get away from the Christ that we should be following.

I just got back from street witnessing and the Lord really spoke through me and a friend to many people. We walked around giving tracts and got into about 5-10 good conversations. The gospel was clearly shared with at least 20-30 people and about 100 tracts were handed out. God was glorified and a good witness for Christ was given.

Personally using video is wrong, I cannot imagine paul the apostle recording his attempts to witness to the lost, and really it would have made the gospel that I shared tonight superficial.

Just because there seems to be some confusion about what I preach (because of the shortness of these clips), if I even preach about grace ever or not, I thought I'd make these audios available.

I'm all for hell-fire preaching, and the urgent need of the church has to proclaim that individuals repent of their sins. I have no beef with such a message, or an individual who bears such a message. I personally do a lot of preaching on repentance in my own street ministry. However, if this video is supposed to be a representation of your preaching, I noticed one major thing lacking in it: CHRIST.

So the upcoming videos will have more full length clips, that will have preaching of the law, sin, apologetics, the cross, the new birth, grace, mercy for those who repent etc etc in a more indepth way, rather then just short clips of this or of that.

Personally I am sharing with sinners with a broken heart and speak passionately but with a humbleness, why can't you do that? when is the last time you spoke meekness and tears to a person that is without Christ. I know that you are open air preaching to larger crowds but why don't you try speaking to people more one on one and be "real" with them, showing compassion. I am not trying to tell you that you are totally wrong but I think people are disagreeing with your presentation because it seems like you are too "sure" of yourself and not at all appearing as Jesus would with meekness and compassion, telling and warning them at times of hellfire.

Wisdom for everyone:

"I have found by long experience that the severest threatenings of the Law of God have a prominent place in leading men to Christ. They must see themselves lost before they will cry out for mercy. They will not escape from danger until they see it." - A. B. Earle

Scripture?

1 Timothy 1:8

"But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully."

If you read verse 9, it says:

"Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners....."

Isn't that what A. B. Earle said, ""the severest threatenings of the Law of God have a prominent place in leading men to Christ."

So what is this "prominent place" that the Law of God has in leading men to Christ? Let A. B. Earle tell you it.

"They must see themselves lost before they will cry out for mercy. They will not escape from danger until they see it."

"Wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith." - Galatians 3:24

Is it right to hush the fears of sinners with the mercy of God by Jesus Christ right away without first letting the sinner breathe in his utter hopelessness?

When I speak of hopelessness, I mean hopelessness. Can you for the sake of their souls, let them be guilty, condemned, executed by the Law of God? Or must you kiss them instead of letting them be crushed and killed by the 10 cannons of Gods Law?

You may question and believe I'm being harsh, but know that I speak out of love. I want to bring some order to this mess, by the grace of God.

You might question now where the grace of God or where love is in my speech. I'll tell you. In Jesus Christ alone. Read this again:

"They must see themselves lost before they will cry out for mercy. They will not escape from danger until they see it."

Do sinners see themselves lost? Do they see danger? Or do you cover them with your kisses? Do you attempt to adopt them into your family?

"They will not escape from danger until they see it."

Do you want to take the blood of Jesus Christ and cover them with it? God forbid you should kiss them, adopt them, or cover them! Your kisses are deceitful, your adoption is in vain, your covering is absurd!

You can do nothing! Jesus Christ alone can kiss them, He alone can adopt them, He alone can cover them in His blood.

Whom will Christ kiss? What sinner will the precious lips of the Lamb of God kiss?

When someone is crushed and killed by the law, utterly destroyed, heres what will happen. First, Jesus Christ will look upon them and see there deadness.

".....a broken and a contrite heart, O God, you will not despise."

Second, Jesus Christ will have compassion on them.

".....He had compassion....."

Third, Jesus Christ will declare their ressurection with a loud shout.

".....come forth!"

Fourth, Jesus Christ will cause them to walk in Gods statutes. He will cause them to keep Gods judgments and to do them.

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them."

This is a view of the power of God, the gospel. Ponder over this.

Now, before I end this, I'd like you to remember the thief on the cross.

Wasn't the thief guilty? Wasn't the thief condemned? Wasn't the thief executed?

The thief was crucified with Christ.

"They will not escape from danger until they see it."

How do sinners escape the danger once they see it? Get on the cross and be crucified with Christ. Die! What is Jesus Christs answer to a sinner who sees his danger but does not know how to escape it? What is His answer, but a direction pointing to the cross. Then when the sinner is nailed to it by his hands and his feet, without any rights, what else can the sinner say but "Lord, remember me when you enter your kingdom." and what else can Jesus Christ say to them but "Today, you shall be with me in paradise." This is my hope, this is the promise that is faithful.

Untill they are thirsty, do not give them a drink.

Paul M.

I think you need to read this Jesse and seriously pray to God about these things mentioned. As you said in your last post you pointed people to your audio messages to try what you "say" but I think its more important to look at your character, fruit that you display in public when preaching and elsewhere. I think bartle's post address's this and this is where we need to stay not going back to address your "theology".

I have prayed to the Lord before I wrote this response to you, so as not to be speaking from my flesh or to stumble a brother like yourself.

You said the reason for posting these video's was to "comfort the saints". I am a sinner saved by Grace and the wonderous provisions of Jesus Christ, and I am here to tell you that I am NOT comforted.

Quite the opposite, I am grieved to my core, to the depth of my soul for several reasons in response to what I viewed on your video's.

The first reason I am grieved and heartbroken is that you are NOT preaching the Love of Jesus, His sacrifice, His Passion, you are not preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Instead your are haranguing and dealing out harsh human condemnation upon lost and hurt people, and doing it under the guise of some twisted interpetation of what you percieve as the "Lord's calling" upon you, to engage in argumentative public confrontations upon people who live on a knife's edge of decideing whther to drink of the Living Waters or not, and you instead in your fleshly immaturity offer them bile and wormwood. I do NOT see the Heart of Christ in your public utterances.

We are told to make the Gentiles ENVIOUS of this great love we have recieved, and there is nothing in your public ministry that would make the Gentiles envious of what we have recieved, instead you make weird and bizarre gestures, stock gestures that probably have been taught to you by those whose polluted teaching you have fallen under, I will mention no names.

You say you preach out of love to save the lost, from those who do not believe in this great salvation, to save them from eternal separation from a just God, but after witnessing your public ministry, I say that you are doing the opposite, you are driving them AWAY from Jesus.

I noticed that your "audience" maintains a far distance from you. Don't fall into the delusion that this is because you are holy, and the devil within them recoils from this holiness. It is because even the lost hurting conused poeple wandering the campus can discern that there is no love within you, only a hateful argumentative harsh spirit, and people, instinctly recoil from such venom, as you display. There is no meekness, no love, and no humility nor winsomeness in your public discourse.

I know you fancy yourself as engaging in a "John the Baptist" type of ministry, but remember this, John the Baptist was only a forerunner of Christ, who said he was not fit to tie the sandals of Jesus. and John the Baptist was in loving intimate ministry with desperate people, he touched them when he baptised them, He got up close and personal when ministering to the lost and hurting.

You have told me that you loved the "Life of Brainerd", and I assume you have read this annointed and wonderful book of this saints journals. I have read it three times, I say that not to boast, but there is something heavenly and inspiring about the writing of this precious saint. Fully the first third of his journals is lamenting his unworthiness for minstry and his unprofitability to discharge his calling of God, he underwent much preparation and self examination before he went among the Indians and frontier folk, and then he preached to them with gehtleness and humility, and the fruit recived was a true miracle, so uplifting.

Have you REALLY read this book with an open heart? Have you ever tried to model your ministry on this yielded saint?

From what i have seen on the videos I think not.

Even two "church-goers" as you so termed them, called you on what you are doing, and instead of engaging them in a respectful repose of listening, you just shouted over them. That black sister was testifying with more authority than you could muster. I oculd discern that she loved Jesus, and you were doing your worst to alienate her. That gray haired lady, who called you a little boy, was trying to engage you in correction, and you just shouted her down.

Thats not Jesus' love, that just fleshly religious pride and immaturity.

Dear sister Diane wrote you a wise post and you totally blew her off, or even addressed her concerns in a thoughtful loving manner, rejoicing that an older sister in the Lord was attempting to help steer you in a direction that will yield fruit.

You just closed your ears and mind, because you are OUT of submission to the Body of Christ, you are out of submission to Godly correction. You are a 21 year old kid, newly saved and you are wandering around like a bull in a china shop, except that china is just a piece of ceramic, we are talking about the souls of people.

Furthermore, I always thought the title of this minstry of yours "Operation Shock and Awe" was a poor choice of words, totally out of synch with the message of Grace, its more like something that a bunch of zealot kids cooked up.

I remember my BC days, and if I was unfortunate to stumble across your public ministry, your ill prayed out public utterances would have driven me far from a God whose message is Love and Grace in Jesus Christ. I shudder to think how many of the lost you are driving away on those public campus's.

Now let me talk about the plank in my eye. Krispy and I had been engaging in cyber tussles over the most trivial issues, stuff we disagree on, but God loves us both, and in the unity of Christ, and thru PM's we have come to love one another, it was only THRU Christ that we were able to do this.

I write these words not to hurt you, or insult you,make you feel bad about yourself, or to discourage you from public ministry, I write them as the Lord leads me, because I am so grieved at what I saw in those videos, and I must admonish you on this, and urge you to seek a time in the desert to be honed by God, becuase you are going off the rails, big time, and stumbling others in the process, and bringing discredit to Jesus' message of love and grace in Him.

Many will try and flatter you, I was quite baffled why instead of adressing the concerns of Diane, you post private emails written by those who desire to flatter itching ears. It smacks of religious pride.

I pray Greg reads this and discerns my intent on writing such a harsh letter to you, not to start trouble, but by clearly and forthrightly rebuking you in the Holy Spirit, not in my flesh nor in my opinion.

Here's the last thing that grieves me, in the past those in this fellowship have attempted to call you, a 21 year old, on a ministry that has gone awry. I feel that all I have poured out from my heart to you will just fall on deaf immmature eras, and you will just continue to engage in a ministry that bears bile, argument, confusion and hatred, while dressing it in the Robes of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I won't pray against your ministry, but I pray you will wake up and see your error.

Hoping against hope, bartle

by paulmcg1 on 2006/8/26 3:39:01

Wisdom for everyone:

"I have found by long experience that the severest threatenings of the Law of God have a prominent place in leading men to Christ. They must see themselves lost before they will cry out for mercy. They will not escape from danger until they see it." - A. B. Earle

[b]"I have observed for nearly 40 years that the secret of success in promoting Revivals is in having our own hearts filled with the Holy Spirit.

Let none of us preach complaining sermons, or scolding, or make unkind remarks about those who differ from us, or do not come up to the work as we would have them. Let the melting, subduing love of Christ flow from our hearts and lips ...we will find ourselves in the midst of a glorious outpouring of the Spirit ...with no more need of asking, 'How can I promote a Revival'"[/b]

[i(A.B. Earle, Bringing in the Sheaves, 1868, quoted by Armin Gesswin)[/i].

For the wise, that should be sufficient.

However, I add the below as a reminder of what the harvest looks like:

*"He owns the harvest that is produced by distress and conviction of sin, and this is the harvest we have to pray that labourers may be thrust out to reap."

So if the harvest is ripe and it belongs to the Lord, preaching needs be that of reconcilation only ---- not hellfire and brimstone. Shock and awe preaching to the ones who don't want reconcilation is a waste of the Lord's time.

[i]*Chambers, O. (1993, c1935). My utmost for his highest : Selections for the year (October 16). Grand Rapids, MI: Discovery House Publishers.[/i]

Orm

why can’t Christians get together and do that? I think this would be a great idea for those who feel called to minister in the public forum: Why not get together and do a reenactment of the Prodigal Son, or the Good Samaritan. Get some costumes; seek the wise counsel of someone who has theatrical/musical/sound experience.

Of course this would take work – practicing, planning, and working together. But the side-benefit of that is growth among the workers – as they learn to consider one another and be patient.

THAT kind of message will hold a crowd. It will also speak, just as it did in Jesus’ day. THAT is the kind of message that pricks the conscience. Remember, Jesus did not blurt out everything when he was in public. He explained the deeper meaning in private. He was careful not to throw the precious pearls of the kingdom before the brutish swine of the world.

Since the end won't ever justify the means, who should we call on to help us in this endeavor?

roadsign wrote:

Since the end won't ever justify the means,

Ormly, do you mind clarifying your point. I do not understand you. Are you suggesting that drama is an ungodly means of communicating the gospel?

Not by might, nor by power [of man's reasoning], but by my Spirit saith the Lord.

[Emphasis added]

Or are you concerned that seeking non-Christians for advice with something would defile the work.

Indeed I am.

...........Can right and wrong be partners? Can light have anything in common with darkness? 2 Cor. 6:14 (GW)

Or are you saying that I should not use a "worldly" event to get ideas?

Diane

What is a missionary?

As My Father hath sent Me, even so send I you. John 20:21.

A missionary is one sent by Jesus Christ [b]as He was sent by God[/b]. The great dominant note is not the needs of men, but the command of Jesus. The source of our inspiration in work for God is behind, not before. The tendency to-day is to put the inspiration ahead, to sweep everything in front of us and bring it all out to our conception of success. In the New Testament the inspiration is put behind us, the Lord Jesus. The ideal is to be true to Him, to carry out His enterprises.
Personal attachment to the Lord Jesus and His point of view is the one thing that must not be overlooked. In missionary enterprise the great danger is that God’s call is effaced by the needs of the people until human sympathy absolutely overwhelms the meaning of being sent by Jesus. The needs are so enormous, the conditions so perplexing, that every power of mind falters and fails. We forget that the one great reason underneath all missionary enterprise is not first the elevation of the people, nor the education of the people, nor their needs; but first and foremost the command of Jesus Christ—“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations.”
When looking back on the lives of men and women of God the tendency is to say—‘What wonderfully astute wisdom they had! How perfectly they understood all God wanted!’ The astute mind behind is the Mind of God, not human wisdom at all. We give credit to human wisdom when we should give credit to the Divine guidance of God through childlike people who were foolish enough to trust God’s wisdom and the supernatural equipment of God.

Chambers, O. (1993, c1935). My utmost for his highest : Selections for the year (October 26). Grand Rapids, MI: Discovery House Publishers.

[b]"as He was sent by God"[/b] should be submitted to our understanding and sought after to be embraced. How He was sent is they way we should be sent otherwise we are lawless and need to repent.

Ormly, in view of the fact that probably only 2 percent of those who claim to be Christians really are, it is foolish to assume that we can make any missionary endeavor “pure” in our own wisdom. In fact, subtle pride can lurk underneath those pious- appearing motives. While we work with non-Christians we ARE preaching to them.

But only if you are. I doubt that you are or, with exception, anyone ever does for fear of offending..That's just the way it is.

Addressing your concerns about the “social gospel”: Jesus did make it clear that if you don’t meet the needs of those who cross your path, you won’t get to heaven. You’ll go to hell!

Oh?? Chapter and verse, please. And what needs would that include? Humanitarian?

While we may not have starving or thirsty people around us every day, there are many other kinds of needs. And to be cynical about that would surely grieve our Lord. For related thoughts read James, 1 John….

KEY POINT: Without faith and obedience (see earlier post about authority), then all we do is sin - even if God does use our miserable efforts.

Nonsense.... and they are never miserable efforts if Christ is leading. You insult Him with such a remark. Therefore....if its miserable He isn't in it.

The real key point you miss is that we should never function in life, after the new birth experience, by our faith. It should always be by His faith; His Life in us. That is now the only Faith pleasing to the Father. Gal.2.20 KJV, should satisfy this issue. You might also review John 17.

Oh?? Chapter and verse, please. And what needs would that include? Humanitarian?

yeh it does.

Matthew 25 "sheeps and goats"...look it up.

Isaiah 58 is another pretty good clarion call for benevolence ministry.

true, your right. That line you quoted from me was not helpful....I'll edit it out at once.

Bro bartle

bartle wrote:

Oh?? Chapter and verse, please. And what needs would that include? Humanitarian?

yeh it does.

Matthew 25 "sheeps and goats"...look it up.

Isaiah 58 is another pretty good clarion call for benevolence ministry.

By that are you saying, the need is the call?

No, by that you are saying the need is the call.

look it up.

you can divide the Word as you see fit.

bartle wrote:
look it up.

you can divide the Word as you see fit.

I looked it up and I know better than to believe the need is ever the call. Thats putting the cart before the horse.

The need is the opportunity to reveal Christ. Most don't have relationship with Him that would reveal anything but zeal without knowledge that will amount to at best nothing more than a humanitarian effort, in Jesus name, of course. Lets not forget that cause that sanctions it.

Christ Jesus is only the call and now you might understand why so few are chosen. In other words Him first and then let Him take care of choosing whoever is fit to fill the need.

PreachParsly wrote:
Are there any good street preachers out there? Who do you guys concider to be a good modern day example of a street preacher?

I have many in mind. But, I don't think of them as street preachers. In my heart I consider them simply men who know there God.

I was very blessed to go out witnessing with a brother from the Philippines. (please forgive me for not remembering his name) He is a husband, a father, and humble child of God. God called him to come over to America for a couple of months as a missionary. He has no car, so he travels on buses from state to state. He open air preaches on the buses if the bus driver says it's ok. He shared with me, his first ministry is intercession and then comes preaching. He shared with me his tears for our nation and the love God gave him for America. He also preaches at churches that are kind enough to take him in.

Here is a man who few know about and few recognize. But, I gaurantee that God knows him and we will see this man rewarded greatly in heaven for his tears and joy in God. Though I cannot remember his name, I know that his name is forever in heaven and is rememebred of God.
Thank you you Jesus for letting me meet this dearly beloved brother.

He came to Livingwaters to go out witnessing with the team on a Friday night. He is very blessed by Ray's ministry. He told me that, when he first heard "hell's best kept seccret" it was nothing new to him. He had already been preaching "law to the proud and grace to the humble".

Sadly, it's mostly here in Amerca (perhaps the capitol country of lukewarmness and false conversion) that "law to the proud and grace to the humble" is such a secret, misunderstood, and rejected.

I also would highly recommend following the example of Gospel For Asia Missionaries!

Watch this video of a man named Joseph. This is a street preacher that I'm sure will put a zeal in our hearts to follow him as he follows Christ.
http://www.gfa.org/gfa/joseph

Bless God and God bless! -Abraham

you wrote:

I looked it up and I know better than to believe the need is ever the call.

then why did you ask me in a previous post?

By that are you saying, the need is the call?

If you "knew" the answer to that why ask me?

I'll tell you why, because you want argument, and your not going to get it out of me.

I thought I was very clear with you before, I will have no meaningful dialogue with until you repent and apologize for the disrespectful way you had discourse with me, to which you replied, "not on your best day will I apologize to you".

nice fruit brother.

I've said my piece, and I might add that the way you address sister Dorcas is completely disrespectful and out of line.

work out your walk anyway you see fit.

I am going to [b]lock[/b] this thread for overall it is getting of the main edifying purpose of the thread and the questions that were raised. I have asked Jesse in this thread not to post any more videos on this site, I have gotten his audio sermons up by my prayerfull choice but other materials I will add if I deem it benefical for the site and body that visits here.

If you desire to view the videos and other ones being added you can go to Jesse's site or search for it on youtube.com I think alot of good things were raised but obviously there was alot of "butting heads" over some discussion topics. I thank everyone for your participation in this thread, let us muse on the findings and scriptures, questions, that were raised and deal with these issues between us and the Lord.

I have already stated to Jesse that there is no need to publicize his ministry and materials out of bounds on the forums. I hope that is respected. As everyone knows there really is no "one" ministry that I promote excessively.

You know what I never heard these street preachers ever reference: Matthew 11:28-30, which has to me always been the heart cry of Jesus to the lost:

[b][color=FF0000]Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light".[/color][/b]

That is the Heart and the Ministry of Jesus, that is His loving call to a generation that is lost and hurting.

Why don't they ask the crowd to gather round and talk about this Centerpiece heart cry of Jesus?

Why don't they say, that Jesus is the Father who will never leave you, He will never hurt you, He sees the fear in your heart, the fear and the pain that you endeavour to dull with drugs and alcohol and mindless sex that in the end just leaves you more empty and even deeper in pain. He sees the broken relationships with your parents, or those who hurt you. He is the older Brother that will hold your hand in the middle of the night because of the loneliness you feel
in a world gone cold. He is the father Who will give strength, when you feel totally helpless and hopeless. But He only asks one thing, that you say "Yes" to Him, and that you give all the hurt and pain and grief and fear and hate and sinfulness to Him, and He and you will lay them at the Cross of Calvary.

In return, let Him have sway over your heart, so that you can forgive the parents who hurt you, the friends who betrayed you, to love those who despise you, and He will cleanse your heart, and make you meek and humble of heart, poor in spirit, questing only after righteouness and the Kingdom of Heaven, and you will recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit which will free you from the bonds of death, from the fear of death. Say yes to Jesus and He will give you the gift of faith, a childlike faith who's only response is that "I believe God".

Why dont they say this? Why don't they get close to those who they open air preach to? Say it with love and meekness....why don't they do this?

Why don't they realize that the Gospel is a love song melodied from the Heart of a God who had to bear the agony of seeing His Son suffer such horrific torture, both in the garden and at the Cross. The Gospel is a love song from God, not a shrieking hatefilled rant delivered from kids playing with matches?

And the adults that teach these youngsters such "ministry" are just wolves, ravenous and hard-hearted.

Josef, I'm not a preacher, I'm just an artist who has been blessed of God, flawed...oh yes, but I love Jesus, and am eternally grateful that He spoke into my heart and filled me with His Spirit.

When I saw those videos, including the ones that Patrick put up, I was just heartbroken, how many lost souls are driven away by the repugnant spew that pours from the mouths of zealots playing with matches.

In my spirit, and I pray that I'm wrong, Jesse will NOT listen to any Godly advice, he is set like concrete, not hard-hearted, but hard-headed, replacing the zeal that he used to sell dope with the zeal that he "preaches" his "christ", a vengeful god intent on tossing sinners into the lake of fire.

I pray he turns from this course of disaster, I pray I'm wrong about what my heart testifies. The Lord doesn't need another Jed Smock or his ilk, the world is bad enough, we don't need wolves dressing in the Robes of a saint, shrieking condemnation on the harrassed and hapless sheep.

your brother bartle