http://www.growingingracespanish.com/
NBC also interviewed him this morning, I couldnt open up the url but it is on youtube, and I did see it....
"For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many" Matthew 24:5
He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them.
Luke 21:8
I just watched this NBC interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=037HvQ1TyGM
I cannot believe my eyes and ears how stupid people can be to believe that this man is Christ Jesus. His words are very un-impressive and some of the things he says are ridicilous. I just cannot believe that 10,000's of people are committing to something as erronous as this! God save them from their delusion.
Here is more information on this cult:
[b]Growing in Grace
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/321-creciendo-en-gracia
this is just insane... its so a mystery to me... how is it possible? how can anyone belive him? thats whats trobeling...that he says his christ ..there probably have been many of those kind of people around...but how can people follow?
we do need to pray for these things... ohh god show people the truth.
christian
I am trying to remember the exact quote but it goes something like this.
"when men cease to believe the Bible, the danger is not that they will believe nothing, but that they will believe anything." Chesterton quoted by C S Lewis.
He's not nearly as baffling as his followers are. Who are these people?
MC
I got to tell you...I'm stumped :-(
I didn't think people could get that deceived. I mean, even claiming to be the Christ and there's no devil, and the Law of God and the Commandments don't have to be followed? I mean WHAT??? How do we pray for people like this? I couldn't even watch it all...It makes me sick :eek:
Do we pray...I'm starting to cry...This is obviously a very strong delusion!
richie
Watched the video of the deceiver and the deceived. You could tell even the interviewer didn't buy into what he was saying.
By the way, if he is Jesus, he should be able to walk on water.
That was what my pastor told a woman who believed someone who said he was Jesus. He told her to go and tell the imposter to walk on water.
She did. When he could not, she no longer accepted what he said.
Too bad his followers will be following him to hell.
Well... after learning about Mormonism, and attempting to witness to them recently, I am not surprised anymore at the rediculously stupid things people will believe.
As P.T. Barnum once said: "There's a sucker born every minute"
That quote should be cannonized.
Can you say ... "Jim Jones"?
I really love when he says "There is no such thing as sin". Dude... turn on the news!
Krispy
well i mean he couldent even awnser one question...the interviewer asked how many followers he had...he didnent know... i for one belive jesus knows exacly on the spot how many people there is that follow him...
but ive sometimes wonderd how people can follow antichrist and how people can be decived... wile reading the word...but now i see
christian
but ive sometimes wonderd how people can follow antichrist and how people can be decived... wile reading the word...but now i see
The same way Hitler won the hearts and minds of the German people in the 1930's. Germany was a disgraced nation after WWI, it was a world wide depression... and he turned Germany around, the economy was roaring, and they had military muscle again. National pride. Let the good times roll...
Thats what the anti-christ will do, only on a world-wide scale.
Krispy
This man's followers [i]obviously
I think this illustrates the great importance of being in the Word and having wisdom, understanding, and discernment.
This guy doesn't even twist Scripture! He's completely changing it! Saying that Jesus is going to return in another way than that which He ascended?? No [i]sin
Lord, help these foolish ones who are deceived and give us who know You, the wisdom and strategy to snatch these little ones from the furnace!
Quite pathetic. I am not surprised that so many can be deceived in such a way, I'm just surprised at the audacity of this guy. He's got "antichrist" written all over him.
Matthew 24:3-31 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? [4] And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. [5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. ...
[11] And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. [12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. [13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. [14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. ...
[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. [24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. [25] Behold, I have told you before. [26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [28] For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. [29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Jordan
HI one and all, i dont know how many of you are from the u.k. but ive just been watching richard and judy (real sad) and there was a lady on the show who claims to be a blood relative of Jesus Christ.
She claims that After Jesus death and resurrection there was a blood line created between Jesus and his wife (mary magdalane)
Maybe these two should get together seeing as they are related.
God bless ya all
dave g
This is indeed very sad - but it is exactly what the Bible warns about. But this kind (unorthodox false Christs) are much easier to spot than the more dangerous kind (orthodox false Christs). There is one coming who will be such a good counterfeit that if it were possible he would deceive even the elect. This one will be the embodiment of philosphical humanism and will deceive many with his "social gospel." I see and believe that the world is rapidly setting up for the acceptance of the antichrist. False prophets are already making major headways in the perpetuation of a false gospel of philosophical humanism that is fundamental to the core and is deceiving many.
Can you tell the difference between the false prophet and the true prophet if both are fundamental?
Test your discernment here: http://www.devcobaptist.org/templates/System/details.asp?id=31831&PID=372703
How did you do?
Grace and peace
Olan
HI one and all, i dont know how many of you are from the u.k. but ive just been watching richard and judy (real sad) and there was a lady on the show who claims to be a blood relative of Jesus Christ.
Never heard of Richard & Judy on the US side of the puddle, but this woman who claims to be a blood relative is from the US, and she has been making the rounds of the TV shows... basically hocking her book.
I dont for a minute believe that she really believes she is a descendant of Christ. I think she is trying to capitalize on the "Da Vinci Code" phenom. So she wrote a book knowing that the intrigue of it would mean a fast buck for her. And so she is raking in the cash.
Thats all that is.
Krispy
Wow I seriously can't believe anyone would follow that guy. It's amazing how the message is exactly opposite to what Christ preached! He says there is no sin and no devil and that lady said she can love herself knowing God lives in her! I was watching the Megiddo series and all of these New Age people that supposedly channel great men of the past (actuallly demons) say the same thing: There is no sin and you are God! It's horrible that people will have to face God with a belief such as that!
After watching this disturbing clip, I could not help but think of the Vision that David Wilkerson had back in 1973, where he saw a Super Church rise up, and in this Super Church everyone would be accepted, as this false messiah has declared that there is no such a thing as sin or the devil. David also said that it would become more political than spiritual. While this Super Church is rising up, the true church made up of both Charismatic and Protestants would become more underground (not literally), but when the true Church does speak, their evangelistic work would be very powerful and effective.
This is very interesting.
there probably have been many of those kind of people around...but how can people follow?
When the time is RIPE and people want to be accepted by God without repentance, without turning away, deception lies at the door.
The rights we have in this country, the freedoms we have are destroying us.
When a government has the freedom to take out prayer out of the schools, there is something wrong. When a woman says that her body is her own seperate from her child/husband and she has the freedom to commit abortion, there is something wrong. When homosexuals have been granted the right to practice and have been made equal as married couples there is something wrong. And the list goes on and on.
This North America, especially Europe is ready for a major deception, it has to come, it must come, for nothing is new under the sun, and these things do happen from time to time. Kingdoms rise and fall, these things must come to pass, it's a part of this world.
'Too bad his followers will be following him to hell.'
No.
How can you say such a thing? It is not 'too bad' that these people are heading to an eternal punishment, it is not 'too bad' that these people will live in eternal pain and torment. It is a tragedy.
I felt hurt and upset whilst watching the video, I felt even worse upon reading that comment. I am not condemning you, I am not rebuking you, but please think about how you put things.
We need to be living on our knees. Prayer works, and our prayers can make a difference. These followers, even the man himself, they are not stupid. They are blind. They are gripped by Satan. They are corrupted. And we need to pray that their eyes are opened to the truth. We need to pray that God has mercy and saves them.
This a tragedy. Lets pray for change in some of these followers' lives. Hey, let's even pray for the man himself. Because prayer works. Let's not shrug it off and say, 'Well, too bad.' Let's look at it properly. Yet more lost and helpless souls are literally pouring into hell.
God help them. God help us to make a difference.
After watching this disturbing clip, I could not help but think of the Vision that David Wilkerson had back in 1973, where he saw a Super Church rise up, and in this Super Church everyone would be accepted, as this false messiah has declared that there is no such a thing as sin or the devil.
it is not 'too bad' that these people will live in eternal pain and torment. It is a tragedy.
After watching this disturbing clip, I could not help but think of the Vision that David Wilkerson had back in 1973, where he saw a Super Church rise up, and in this Super Church everyone would be accepted, as this false messiah has declared that there is no such a thing as sin or the devil.
Sounds "Purpose Driven", to me.
Sounds "Purpose Driven", to me.
Not only "Purpose Driven" but also "Seeker-Sensitive" and "Liberal" - "Have Your Best Life Now!"
There is a coming counterfeit revival that is already in progress and it is prophesied in the Scriptures.
Grace and peace
Olan
I'm torn right now...torn between smiling, because the machinations of satan are so transparent, so clear that one needs not even to have a finely honed sense of discernment to recognize that this man is committing the unpardonable sin, that is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit....and torn between a sense of ......trying to find the right word....a sense of rage....yes, righteous rage...not acted out mind you.
Jesus had no million dollar home, no beamer, didnt dress in the rainment of the rich.....no wonder this foul speciman, this workman of the devil surrounds himself with glowering bodyguards.....but I'll tell you what.....this evil minion will find that HELL IS A MILLION DEGREES HOT.
we talk about sinners being cast into hell, etc......but this guy is going to be ground into burning sulfur, and I personally would have no hestitation into testifying to him, as to the fate that awaits him for committing the unpardonable sin.
Its DONE for him, realize this, there is no Grace available for such a wicked workman of the devil. NONE! and its not me that proclaims that, It's the Word of God that testifies to this.
Please, brethern, I beg you, don't email or contact this heinous group or man to denounce him, don't draw their attention to us, we got enough stuff togther to work out without drawing their attentions to our cyber church.
anyway God is good, just another sign. Come Lord Jesus.
bartle
OverSeer wrote:Sounds "Purpose Driven", to me.
Not only "Purpose Driven" but also "Seeker-Sensitive" and "Liberal" - "Have Your Best Life Now!"
There is a coming counterfeit revival that is already in progress and it is prophesied in the Scriptures.
Grace and peace
Olan
This guy is too obvious even for some who can only quote John 3.16. Not so for the other group. They are much more deceptive, requiring you to know the Word ....and not just the word on paper. "Study to show yourself approved..." takes on fresh meaning.
Orm
the machinations of satan are so transparent, so clear that one needs not even to have a finely honed sense of discernment
This is true, brother - for now. But like John the Baptist likened the coming of the true Messiah:
"...but he that cometh after me is mightier than I..."
I believe all these deadly deceivers are but minor prophets and subordinate wolves compared to the true anti-christ "Messiah" who is to come.
This Puerto Rican man is nothing more than your basic, run-of-the-mill cult leader, and most of the world knows it. Secular media knows it. They made a joke of him on public television. Unregnerate men and women know this guy is a sham. But isn't this the way Lucifer operates? Little by little, so seemingly obvious, a measure of poison here, a measure there...until one day you're trapped in his fetters and lead away like a prisoner. When the REAL false messiah comes, all the world will go after him. Many strong, evangelical, conservative Christians will go after him too. He will do awesome miracles, and I believe he will preach the word with unction. Satan is no fool, brother. This will be his ultimate masterwork; he's been working on it for thousands and thousands of years, and when he lifts the canvas from this master painting, all the world (and much of Christianity) will go "ooh!" and "ahh!" Most of Christianity ALREADY oohs and ahhs at the stupid false glitter and vanities of the world! I think every false messiah that has rose up since Jesus' ascension has been but a sporadic tease by hell. Hell's way of testing the water.
Therefore, we must be sober, vigilant, look always to Jesus, mortify sin daily, and immerse ourselves in daily meditation of Holy Scripture. The deadliest thing we can do is laugh and mock Satan: "Is this the best you've got! You're too easy!"
The answer is no, this isn't his best. Not even close. The true antichrist is coming, and I fear some of us even here on SI will not recognize him. I, myself, may not recognize him if I fail to continuously walk in the Spirit and wear the full armour. Oh, saints, this post is for myself, first and foremost!
[b]"Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."
Brother Paul
The deadliest thing we can do is laugh and mock Satan: "Is this the best you've got! You're too easy!"
The answer is no, this isn't his best. Not even close. The true antichrist is coming
Brother Paul you are right on! This is only a diversionary tactic by the enemy. Many can spot the devil's unorthodox false Christs and cult leaders but they fail to see his orthodox false Christs who propogate a false gospel so close in resemblance to the real gospel that it goes undetected and many believe "the lie."
The real antichrist will be much more subtle and much more dangerous. May we be like the remnant in the book of Malachi and "distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him" (Malachi 3:18).
Grace and peace
Olan
Just one last thing...
In Africa, in a small congregation, there came a man who began to claim he was Christ... the church members asked the missionaries what they could do to disprove him. After much prayer, they finaly came to this "Christ" with the following question- right in front of all his followers and the church!
"If you are really Christ, show me the marks in your hands, the hole in your side, and the scars on your feet. Only then will I believe you, that you are Christ..."
This took care of the problem. I hope someone could put this to use with this false Christ, who, though he has not done any miricles, still has not come with clouds, a shout, lightning, and not every eye has seen him, and we have not been changed in an instance, in the twinkling of an eye into our heavenly bodies. This proves he is not Jesus. And besides, when i talked to HIM this morning, He was still at the right hand of the Father, interceeding for the saints. Hallelujah!!!!
God be praised.
God bless.
In Christ,
-nathan
"The question is not 'are you challenged' but 'are you changed'"- Leonard Ravenhill
Richardf,
I wanted to say I appreciate and share the sentiment expressed here
It is not 'too bad' that these people are heading to an eternal punishment, it is not 'too bad' that these people will live in eternal pain and torment.
and much of the rest of your post.
Thank you for this admonition
We need to be living on our knees.
[b][color=000000]...ye are of more value than many sparrows.[/color]
I think if we could have a sense of the reality of hell, visualize it in its torment, internalize it, we would panic! This happens when you have wayward children...Takes a lot of grace and mercy from God to to remain sane.
ginnyrose
'...ye are of more value than many sparrows.'
Hallelujah!
"If you are really Christ, show me the marks in your hands, the hole in your side, and the scars on your feet. Only then will I believe you, that you are Christ..."
That is so simple, it is incredible ...
Brilliant!
Well, it is bad, but not like I thought it was going to be.
This black man in Africa last year, claimed to be Christ, and was KILLING thousands upon thousands of little children.
Yes, this is bad, but I had worse exspections. (Kinda, glad I was let down)
i just found out that one of this guys churches is located 1/2 a block of where i live..
I also think what is most disturbing is the aggresive tactics they are using, in the near by churches.....and in the streets.....yes I did notice that nbc made a mockery of him and he didnt even notice he was the butt of a joke....He is arrogant ...When they questioned him, I would of thought he would of answeared in parables....Jesus answeared what was unasked in there hearts....Do you think the the antichrist would mark himself with nail holes and a scar? that would be plausible for even the elect to be fooled....Michelle
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