Dismissal from SI

It's unfair of me to comment on the action of the MOD as I didn't see your post. However, it does seem to me that they have warned you and given you a reason why. Maybe they have not got the time for a more pleasent response, maybe they are harassed and you got them at a bad time.
The point is we all make mistakes, as Bartle says we must forgive and move on.
I was warned early on about a post and I learned from my mistake. That was months ago and I'm still here.
You are a valuable member here and I am sure if you follow the advice and warning of the MODs then you will have many more oppertunities to express your love of the Lord and help us through the lessons He has taught you.

Remember God wants us humble so He can speak to us.

In Christ

Ste

Karl,
With all due respect, you have answered the warning yourself with your own, modified, warning.

I saw the post in question. You use the words 'gross' and 'profane' in your own wording. The moderators never did. Which shows you know why it was removed.

Now we are all the wiser, let's move on as suggested.

We want revival, not disputes. God bless.

"Picture Jesus talking about the things that were making the Jews mad. The Jews warned Him NOT to continue, but He continues even to this day."

Jesus was meek and humble. We are commanded to follow suit. Maybe the moderator was in a hurry. He probably could have been gentlier.

Karl, Krispy is right the issue here is your pride, Jesus spoke out of authority AND humility, you are talking from neither, Please let it go, if you keep on posting then people will just ignore you, which will put you in your place, we are on this forum to help and to learn, not to try to get our opinions across onto others.

Seek Him first,

Ste

It's not a problem to think to yourself that you are a lover of God. It's a blasphemous problem when one says that he loves Him but carries no reverence to His name, for such is NOT love but hellish blasphemy. What kind of a child will call his human parents "LOVERS" ???? If one loves HIM, one will naturally obeys and follows HIS precepts, especially in light of addressing HIM with much reverence. HE is not santa clause !!

Exodus 20:7
[b]Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;[/b] for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Leviticus 21:6
They shall be holy unto their God, and[b] not profane the name of their God:[/b]

Ezekiel 36:23
And [b]I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen,[/b] which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

Ezekiel 36:20
And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, [b]they profaned my holy name, [/b]when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.

Malachi 1:6
6A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the LORD of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say,[b] Wherein have we despised thy name? [/b]

Psalms 111:9
9He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever:[b] HOLY and REVERNED is his name.[/b]

The name of the Christian God is The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. No other name, there is NOT a choice. Whoever claims His Blood, had better proclaim the honor and reverence of His Name.

Mike Balog, whoever won't respect and honor God will for sure not respect you or anyone else.
God shall judge !!!

2Rouse yourselves and keep awake, and strengthen and invigorate what remains and is on the point of dying; for I have not found a thing that you have done [any work of yours] meeting the requirements of My God or perfect in His sight.

3So call to mind the lessons you received and heard; continually lay them to heart and obey them, and repent. In case you will not rouse yourselves and keep awake and watch, I will come upon you like a thief, and you will not know or suspect at what hour I will come.

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15I know your [record of] works and what you are doing; you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot!

16So, because you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of My mouth!

17For you say, I am rich; I have prospered and grown wealthy, and I am in need of nothing; and you do not realize and understand that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.(F)

18Therefore I counsel you to purchase from Me gold refined and tested by fire, that you may be [truly] wealthy, and white clothes to clothe you and to keep the shame of your nudity from being seen, and salve to put on your eyes, that you may see.

19Those whom I [dearly and tenderly] love, I tell their faults and convict and convince and reprove and chasten [I discipline and instruct them]. So be enthusiastic and in earnest and burning with zeal and repent [changing your mind and attitude].(G)

20Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears and listens to and heeds My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will eat with him, and he [will eat] with Me.

21He who overcomes (is victorious), I will grant him to sit beside Me on My throne, as I Myself overcame (was victorious) and sat down beside My Father on His throne.

22He who is able to hear, let him listen to and heed what the [Holy] Spirit says to the assemblies (churches).

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Sister Mamaluk:

This verse has your name on it.

11I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one may rob you and deprive you of your crown.

brethren
this is off topic but i feel led to bring this to the fore because it is something our Lord has been dealing with me about.
bro Krispy said:

I agree w/ Bartle... there's no need to go over the top and start calling down fire. Mamaluk... you're not Elijah, and the mantle has not been passed on to you. I do appreciate your zeal, to be sure. However, there is a difference between having zeal, and being a zealot.

what if this mantle or a similar one has been passed on to mamaluk? i think we tend to be most presumptuous concerning such things as callings assuming that it's not God; what if it is?

we tend to ask "what if it's not God?" brethren that is an easy question to ask, we oft conclude whatever it is we're asking about not to be of Him then we chill and nothing changes. what if it [i][b]IS[/b][/i]God though?

it seems to me that is a harder question to ask/consider because if it is indeed God, it means we have to do something different than what we are doing now and we don't like change much i'm finding. i'm sure in those days many people thought Elijah to be a some sort of hellspawn. Jesus Himself was accused of casting out demons by the power of Baal...i guess the pharisees in their wisdom asked themselves "what if this isn't God?", proceded to conclude it wasn't and were lost to hell unless they repented.

are we guilty of the same thing the pharisees were?

i don't think mamaluk was calling down fire but pointing out that ultimately God will judge not only this little issue but He will judge us all because He is Holy. Also we ought not lose sight of His Holiness lest we treat Him in any way unworthy of Him and risk kindling His anger.

bro Krispy you bring up a good point in that we ought to have zeal but it ought to be tempered by God and channeled by Him. i think also though that we should be sure from God's standpoint what it is to have Godly zeal vs being a zealot.

i wonder if we would have been like the pharisees had we lived in those days?

I watched the story unfold. I will give no advice because it's not needed. (Truly it's not needed from man, at least not me)

But instead I say to you Karl that NO MATTER what your decsion is, God loves you with a limitless, never ending love. May God be with you brother.

bro Krispy
i didn't think you were trying to insult mamaluk at all, i just thought it was rather presumptuous to assume that mamaluk may not be a prophet. the point i was getting at was that most of the time that is our default assumption and it is no different from the days of old when Israel was sent prophets and they didn't change or repent.

If mamaluk's words were truly God's words (and she didnt claim that they were, please note that), or in God's timing... then Karl's heart and attitude would have turned then.

not necessarily, remember the pharisees and how Christ spoke to them and they didn't repent. we know that Christ spoke as the Father wanted Him to speak and even then the pharisees remaind staunch.

When I'm critisized publicly my natural response is to lash out publicly to protect myself... but when you boil it down it is really all about pride. It takes a lot to suck it up and deal with it the way the Lord wants us to.

hey bro this is a ctitical piece of wisdom here, it boils down to pride in such instances. our Lord has brought me to a point where is someone says something to me which would wound my flesh, somehow it goes in one ear and out the other. then later on it comes to remembrance at a later time when i can't do any harm to the offending party. by then the thought of such doesn't even cross my mind (thank you Father, Son and Holy Spirit)

And mamaluk... I apologize if you feel like I targetted you. I love ya! I just did not agree with the comdemning tone of your post. Karl is worthy of hellfire... but arent we all? Praise the Lord we've been set free.

Vessels of Mercy, thank you Father, Son and Holy Ghost!AMEN.

bro Krispy
you know i love you much bro and i like to pick people's brains and i've learned a lot from picking on you! :-P it is good that our Lord has brought us past the point of feeling bruised in the ego to where we're digging for His truth.

The only thing I think I disagree with your post on is about the words and the timing. I understand what your saying, but I maintain that before we harshly rebuke someone we need to try and understand the person, and where they are at.

oh indeed and of course if one feels unctioned to do so, then one must speak as he is lead of God.

I'm not dismissing anyone who may be used as a mouthpiece for God. I do not believe in prophets like the OT are for today, or like we see in the WOF and Charismatic Movement. However, I do believe God can and does use each of us at times to speak thru us. Scripture tells us that when we are under the spotlight to not worry what to say because God will give us the words. He's done that with me many times. But along with that must come wisdom to know what is God's words, and what are our own. Sometimes we all tend to use zealousness instead of wisdom.

so what then is the difference between the O.T. prophet and the N.T. prophet? is the definition of what prophecy is different in the N.T. vs O.T?
how come paul admonishes us to covet prophecy as a gift? if God saw fit to send prophets out to warn His people of a need for repentance back then, why would He not do so now? are we not in need of repentance any more? should we not be repenting that much more [i][b]because[/b][/i]we are under grace? just seems to me we will be judged that much more harshly because the blood which covers us (or should cover us) is not of bulls and rams but the precious blood of Christ and i don't think God is playing when it comes to that.

Jesus used harsh words, but only when He was rebuking the enemies of God. Karl is not an enemy of God, he is a precious child of God.

what about when Christ rebuked Peter saying "get behind me satan!" peter was certainly a child of God, he was the chief disciple yet what he said was from the enemy and Christ rebuked him. Does God not chasten and rebuke as many as He loves, even harshly so. i think of how He dealt with certain ones in Israel, like David and so on and the nation of Israel itself. if God didn't spare them rebuke, how much less will He spare us gentiles especially because we have been bought by Precious Blood?

Farai, I think your being completely rude. It's not "cool" or "nice" that your even having this discussion with Krispy. I think that's very insulting and disgusting on your character.

A brother just left SI and you go off to a TOTAL different tangent. Despite your guys relationship. I take that as very insulting and in a way demeaning to Karl.

Peace Karl, have fun with the downloads from SI, see ya from the forum though!

Truth is to be spoken. Even at the expense of friendship.

Lovegrace
i felt led of God to bring that issue to the fore when mamaluk posted. i obeyed and feel no remorse for doing do. bro Karl will be missed indeed but it seems to me at the end of the day God did whatever He saw fit for His own purpose. i don't know ultimately why our Lord saw to it that Karl left these boards but we know He is working on something in Him and in us also.God wil bring us back together at a time of His own choosing, i pray it be soon but look to Him.

God does have a way of butting into our lives in a big way and disrupting everything. i would ask though, after september 11 did the world stop turning? now that bro Karl is gone, does the work of God now stop?

It is a sad day today to see a fellow brother leave. I do not know the totality of the situation, but I hope and pray that Karl left in accord with God's leading, whether it was initiated by him or the moderators.

I don't like to see division in the Church, especially in such a matter as this. Should we really be in debate because one person's love for their Lord is expressed or seen with different eyes than ours? What is important is that we give ourselves to Christ. This is love, that God gave His only son. Likewise, our love comes in giving ourselves to God in thanksgiving. There are many metaphors on earth where this can be related or expressed. We should have a bit more respect for others than to cast stones because they do not use the "language" we choose.

Likewise, where is the humility in Christ's disciples? Where are the students? Where are the ones called unto submission?

The elders in the Church can no longer lead and the teachers can no longer teach because the disciples rebel against every elder and every teacher. The teacher teaches, and the students leave to find a teacher who says what tickles the ear. How can Christ ever work in such a system? The Holy Spirit has given gifts, Christ has called each to different ministries, and if we shall close our hearts in our own way, then how can the workers work?

Did not Paul say we should not scoff at prophecies? We should test them. Too many people immediately reject teachings without giving them any thought or prayer.

Jesus said we should not throw pearls to swine. If anyone is not listening, or willing to listen, then why debate? Such debates become a battle over who is right, and cease to be about learning and growing.

None of us are right, and we all can learn from one another. Do not grandparents learn from children? Christ lives in us and we all have something to share. We are a body who needs one another.

We should be humble. Let us listen before we speak. Those who moderate do so in order to serve us. They are watching over a flock, not merely one person. They should not cater only to the needs of one individual, but the needs of all. If we say something that is offensive, whether it is right or wrong, consider the weight or importance of our words. Is it worth the offense? Is this the will of God that we should stir such dissension? There may be times when we are called to stand up for Christ, when Pharisees will take offense to what we say and seek to kill us. However, is one of those times?

Does not anyone consider that this is a public forum? These words we write will be read by anyone and everyone. The world will judge us for every word we say. If the world judges us so harshly, is that not all the more reason for the Church to lift up one another in humility?

So rarely do we ever find humility in these forums. Why is that? What are we trying to prove? Are we trying to share Christ in love, or are we trying to justify our own case? If we are speaking for Christ, then all the power comes from Christ. It is up to Christ to make the words speak to His people. We can only be the hands by which He works. Christ needs only to speak once, and if that person is willing to accept His teaching, they will hear. If not, they will not hear.

If we are not abandoned to Christ, then He cannot use us. You may have Christ in you, but that does not mean in every minute you are abandoned to Him. You can still act on your own, and you will. You will say things that are wrong, and you will make mistakes. So let us be forgiving of one another, and make offerings of love. Let us offer what God lays on our heart, but let us not try to force it upon anyone. If the offering we give to others is truly from Christ, and it is rejected, then the rest is for Him to decide. We can only offer the message.

In humility, I ask everyone involved to pray. Let us not argue. Let our mouths be silenced and our hearts crying. This is a sad day. Division has arisen, and this means that Christ is absent. Let us all seek after our Lord during this time and pray for our assembly here on SermonIndex. We have been attacked by the Devil. Let us call upon the Lord for aid.

Let us all be humbled, and give ourselves to Christ. May His will be done in this. May His grace flow upon us in abundance, and His light shine through us.

With love and concern,
Blake

Blake wrote:

None of us are right, and we all can learn from one another.

Is this a typo? If not, could you explain?

Thanks!
ginnyrose

ginny,
I don't want to put words in Blake's mouth, but I think he means that none of us are right in everything and we all have more to learn from each other.

How are you Sister? :)

Melissa,
I am fine, thank-you!

Your take on that sentence was what I would expect but I am not always right! :-?

I became aware of this controversy late but will refrain from giving opinions other then I think a person should apologize when you realize you have given offense.

But we are doing fine after a hard days work yesterday - we planted 1244 tomato plants in the greenhouse and I had a first class backache which was cured with a good nights sleep! PTL!

Have a blessed day, Melissa!

ginnyrose

Krispy wrote:

who are you trying to kid, ginnyrose? You were healed cuz Benny Hinn had a word of knowledge and healed you!

LOL! Duh! and Duh! Mr. Hinn ain't healed nobody in this house!!! :-P

Krispy, for your information I am very resilient: I am 59 YO and can bounce back very easily! You just wait until you get to be as old as I am and you just might find your bones springy, too! Oh, and I do not play football, either! Do not even understand the game! :-P

Have a fun day, ya'll!

ginnyrose

bartle,

FYI...hothouse tomatoes sell for 2.99 to 3.99 up here in Chicago, so may the God Lord prosper your efforts and may they yield MUCH FRUIT!!!

Whew! That is a wonderful -for the seller! lol Wish we could get much for them! But, yes, we do depend on the LORD for blessing our production and for giving us customers.

We grow greenhouse varieties because garden varietes do not produce well under short day conditions which is what you have in the wintertime. This year we planted Quest and Geronimo, new varieties for us. Flavor is determined a lot by sunlight and fertilization. When the days get long and the sun gets warmer, like in the spring, the fruit gets sweeter. Actually the best part of the tomato is the blossom end, the opposite end of the core. If I could do as I'ld want I would just cut off the blossom end and discard the rest!

Have a good day - with a good tomato! lol

ginnyrose

bro Krispy

KrispyKrittr wrote:
lovegrace... Altho another thread about prophecy should probably be started, I didnt think it was rude. IF Karl left SI (and I doubt he has...), I for one will misss seeing him around... but it was Karl's dicision. He didnt die. This isnt a funeral. As unfortunate as the whole situation was, I think this thread has brought up some interesting topics. Instead of everybody turning on each other... lets talk and learn and understand. If a side topic on this thread comes up and begins to dominate, then I'm in agreement that we should start a new thread, but I dont think IRONMAN deserved to be chastised here publicly. There is such a thing as private messages. :-)

Krispy

thanks for sticking up for me bro!

SI is NOT a church,….. SI is not a local assembly

Dorcas, I would like to comment on this one point, if I may: In this age our “local” churches are not nearly as local as they used to be. People come from all a wide area – even distant towns. So I feel that geography is not a criterion in defining a church.

Surely SI is a local community – based on the connection of its members, even though it is virtual. I believe that the same checks and balances that God has hard-wired into the local body applies to SI – that is, the Biblical guidelines, the various gifts, offices, different services, or whatever. Churches typically don’t make the best use of them, and rarely have.

For example, God has provided elders - those who have true spiritual authority because they have walked with the Lord for years, and have deeper insight than many others. They are there to offer much-needed guidance, but are all-too-often ignored. And so, failing to consult the elders, fractures happen needlessly . Actions are taken and words are spoken in the heat of the moment – when emotions and opinions are strong. (I’m speaking generally).

God is every bit as interested in using SI for his glory as any other faith community. And he can see the hidden cracks better than anyone. He’ll just keep on working at it. We’ve been around the mountain now a few times on these things, and, I suspect, that God will take us around the mountain as many times as is needed for his children to “get it”.

Please, I’m not pointing fingers – because there is something for all of us to “get”. After all, we carry our blind spots into own families, jobs, churches, etc.

While harmonious fellowship is a blessing that we crave, God has much more in mind. He is moving us forward, but we tend not to understand it, or see the need. It typically gets rocky because we resist, not because the devil is playing games with us.

If we fail to value the fire, then the tragedy would not be a lost member as much as the lessons that never got learned.

Diane

Time to break the silence...
This is what happens when people intrude on things they have no idea what they are talking about. I have run out of patience and compassion and charity I am sure...

Dorcas, you are as wrong as could be. You are making a lot of assumptions and turning this whole thing into one giant psychobabble.

I realised this (dicussion) is not about what is or isn't in scripture explicitly or implicitly. It is about your (moderators plural) preference that certain scriptures, and topics which may naturally arise from them, should not be discussed on SI.

Nonsense. The point of the matter is that something that needs to be left alone needs to be left alone. Period. Greg explained the situation exactly as it was and is. How difficult is it to see that a continuation by way of over explanation is only serving to drive an issue that needs to die first before it can even be thought to have a corrective. It applies foremost to the galling thing, this Jesus as 'lover' blaspheme and even this here, this constant want to have to explain every last thing.

Karl left of his own volition. When will you stop explaining what every one is thinking or saying? What this site is or is not, what the mods are doing, on and on it goes. Leave it alone.

This whole matter from beginning to end could be summarized in this;

[i]for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.[/i]

Diane, I liked what you had to say here.

While harmonious fellowship is a blessing that we crave, God has much more in mind. He is moving us forward, but we tend not to understand it, or see the need. It typically gets rocky because we resist, not because the devil is playing games with us.

If we fail to value the fire, then the tragedy would not be a lost member as much as the lessons that never got learned.

I've decided I'd rather get in fellowship somewhere and scratch each other's eyes out, than make nice and never scratch the surface of the sacred cows in my own heart. Dian

dorcas'

Whereas Karl may be willing to leave with his reputation in tatters because of how you've misrepresented him, I am not willing to let this pass. What may have passed between you guys in private, I have no idea and (obviously, I hope) cannot comment, but, on what I have seen and know, I can and do. This is not a matter of not savouring the things of God. This is about a standard of righteousness which can be seen and commended by all.

We will all have to give an account of our own words on SI but our moderators will have to give an account to God for what they permitted on the whole site. This is a very onerous responsibility and one which should attract our prayer. Eldership can only work in an atmosphere of mutual trust. When this breaks down decisions have to be made. In a church setting a man or woman who cannot trust the spirit of the oversight has to find the grace to do so or move on. The same is true of this website.

"I am not willing to let this pass" is not a suitable response to those to whom God has trusted us. It is the spirit of protest and rebellion. That does not mean that an aggrieved person cannot address the oversight but such a person can never address the oversight publicly with that spirit. It is the shrill response of one who will be heard whatever the consequences.

This particular thread began with the words...I started this thread probably due to the fact that I will probably be dismissed.

But mainly to for the purpose of how far can we go on SI before being dismissed.

Family members, your input is greatly appreciated. That ought to have warned us that this thread could only be divisive and the earliest replies were unanimous in their counsel 'let it go'. When we set up a situation in which the saints are effectively invited to take sides in which one will be "puffed up for one against another" we ought not to be surprised when it happens.

Margaret Thatcher once denied terrorists 'the oxygen of publicity'. It has merit as course of action. Personally, I would recommend that the thread is locked and that any further conversations take place where they ought to have taken place... in private emails.

Personally, I would recommend that the thread is locked and that any further conversations take place where they ought to have taken place... in private emails.

Dear KrispyK

You are too funny!!

I stayed away for awhile, and just now realized that I was "insulted" as if I thought I were Elijah. Hahah, I like that, seeing my name next to Elijah's!! No, no insults at all, no one can ever insult me because in the flesh, I'm NOTHING, in spirit, I'm in CHRIST, only not to insult GOD.

Praise God!

What does it matter what you call me, say to me, insult me, disrespect me, mock me, hate me, love me. NONE matters, but may I insist, if not with Scriptures, with my own silly words, please do hold on tight to the glory of GOD's and HIS holy name, no matter what.

[b]To love HIM, is to obey HIM by honoring and reverencing HIM THE WAY HE COMMANDS!!![/b]

Let's glorify God in our heavenly church with this traditional doxology:

"Praise God from whom all blessings flow,
Praise Him all creatures here below,
Praise Him above ye heavenly host,
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost...Amen! "

the false Elijah, indeed I am, Praise God, I'm nothing, HE is ALL !
mamaluk, :) :)