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The truth about Islam.

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Thought I would post this for your own study.

This attack on the western world is not coming from radical right wing muslims, it's coming from all of Islam. Our leaders have been fooled into believing that Islam is a peaceful religion.
Mohammad was a rapist and a pediphile. He was a devil worshiping pagan that used terror to build his devil possessed, God hating, murderous, perverted religion. He was a sex pervert with a lust for power and money. The man who wrote this book spent two years researching this material I thought i would put it out there for all those who want to know the TRUTH about Islam.

http://www.venusproject.com/prophet_of_doom/toc.html

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http://www.answering-islam.org/

Is another good website having many good christian responses to islam, it is great to forward a muslim to that site to be lead into the truth of Jesus (Prophet Isa). I have talked to some Christians that have felt that Christianity is shallow and has no power or attraction to them, it is simply because they are not disciplined and care to be in prayer and other virtues of the Christian life. We are to be communion with God and spending time with Christ or no matter if it is true or not you will not "partake" of the life and reality of it.

"come to me to have life."

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Hi J-bird,

To be honest with you J-bird, I see Islam as satans counterfeit "Christianity." I don't know much about Islam so thanks for the link.

bro Doug

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these people are living next door to us. it's time for us christians to take our country back. We need to pray for our countries more than ever before, we nee to take this seriously. The future of our children depends on it. Listen to me. THESE PEOPLE WANT TO KILL YOU. They would cut your throat in a heart beat if they could get away with it.

Please post this on every christian websit you go to. The bible says "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." please educate others about this before it's too late. Pray for our nations leaders to be let in on the truth. these people are in sleeper cells all over our countires. their agenda is to "fight and kill all non muslims until they have taken over the world." WAKE UP!!!!! it's time to get our armour on and get on the front line. Your children and grand children depend on it.

J-bird

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J-bird,

We must remember that we are Christians and NOT Muslims. How may I ask do you intend to take the country back? By force? By cutting their throat first? I'm not saying that you agree with that position at all but I do want clarity as to what you believe should be done besides sending that link to as many Christian sites as we can.

Doug

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Last post went twice.... :-)

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"There's thousands of Muslims lined up with bombs strapped to their chests screaming 'LET ME DIE FOR MY FAITH' while we go home and laugh in front of out TV sets." - David Wilkerson

How do we take our country back? By being more like Jesus.

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take our country back.

Whose country?

It's time to get our armour on

What kind of armour are you suggesting? Can you explain?

THESE PEOPLE WANT TO KILL YOU.

J-bird who do you see as our real enemy? Flesh and blood????????

Aren't we supposed to be fighting FOR the lost, those in bondage, those blinded, those without Christ? What would Christ think .... well.... I shouldn't be asking you that question because I already know. He's saving them by the hundreds!

Diane

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Santana said,

How do we take our country back? By being more like Jesus.

In all reality, how did Jesus take Israel back? He didn't. But that's a different discussion for another thread.

Jesus said, " And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell" (Mat. 10:28).

Many modern "Christians" believe that we should kill them. Are you of that class? I'm just wondering because modern Christianity is so mixed up that its not to far from the Islamic's.

Anyone who comments on this please be more specific, thanks.

bro Doug

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Preach it Diane!!!

Aren't we supposed to be fighting FOR the lost, those in bondage, those blinded, those without Christ? What would Christ think .... well.... I shouldn't be asking you that question because I already know. He's saving them by the hundreds!


You got that right...

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brethren
this is going to be interesting to see how this plays out...on the one hand they want to kill us, but when we die we go to heaven so what is there to fear from death?

is anyone here afraid of death by the way? i'm not, i look forward to going Home to Him!

then we see them as the enemy but yet we wrestle not against flesh and blood but the very principalities and powers and demons which concocted this religion and control it and the members thereof.

the earth is God's in all it's totality, we should tend to it on His terms. if we went out and killed them, how would we be different. then again the word does say that the governments are set up by God to tend to the people, i wonder how closely the governments are following God's instructions as far as governing :-(

so much to consider...then again all is as it should be.

come quickly Lord!

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o.K. it looks like you got me all wrong. The bible says "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but muighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds." Islam is becoming a stronghold in the western world. What are our weapons? Prayer and fasting, the word of God, knowlege of the truth. What we must do is EXPOSE this religion for what it rteally is. EXPOSE the god behind it. EXPOSE it's origin and it's foundation. PRAY and ask God to bring REPENTANCE to our countrys and bring REVIVAL to the church so that it will be once again strong and effective. Our armour is all mentioned in the book of Ephesians and it is essential in this battle. No we are not fighting flesh and blood but flesh and blood is being influenced by what we are fighting.

If we will expose this religion for what it is it will fall within months.

The klu klux klan was once a stronghold in this country, but when someone got the courage to expose the doctrine and origin 95% of the members left this cult within two months. Preachers you need to expose this religion in your pulpits. Teachers educate your groups about it. This is not just a peacful pagan religion these people are motivated by fear and they WANT to die. The only sure way for them to go to heaven is to be killed in a holy war (so they think). They want to kill all of our men and take our wives and children for themselves. This is their reward for being a good muslim. Our possessions become theirs.

J-bird

Doug, I was wondering if you had a chance to read any of this book.

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I know someone who is a missionary to the Muslims in an African country. He and his wife have led a very effective ministry for several years. Their primary means of reaching them has been through hospitality, and getting involved in their lives. That’s how a lot of suspicion and distrust is broken down. He also very effectively uses the Koran (initially) to point to teachings about Jesus.

These missionaries have both written books and articles about ministering to the Muslims. I will see if I get some information for this thread.

J-bird, is God giving you a burden for the Muslims? Is your home open wide for them?

As for any of us, your trust in God must be stronger than your distrust in them. God can take care of your life quite fine. But as for them – they need the Lord in their hearts.

Warring against any world religion with words or swords is pointless. There are more than enough pastors who preach against Islam from their pulpits but precious few who have opened their hearts and homes to them.

Diane

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J-bird said,

Doug, I was wondering if you had a chance to read any of this book.

Yes I did. They sound like a bunch of crazy's who are demon possessed. Their religion gives the carnal man what ever he desires.... beating women, power, lust, and anything else that is associated with a reprobate mind.

They need to realize that they must be saved from themselves. I've spoken to some of them and they told me that they had read the Christian Bible. Don't know if that's true but these people were quoting scripture.

Believers need to launch a war, (spiritual), to destroy this enemy stronghold. Islam has to be the biggest enemy fortress ever...

In Christ, bro Doug

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The reminders of this being a spiritual battle are good.
Would like to add that the current leader of iran main mission is to usher in the 12 imam who is the savior of islam and the world and will rule for "seven" years and at the end bring judgement. please read this article http://usconservatives.about.com/b/a/257302.htm
God bless, John

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I found an interesting discovery on the web - comments written by missionary, David Foster, where he publicly denounced the work of Muslim debater, Deedat, for ridiculing the Bible. Divine judgment befell the man, as you can read here: [url=http://www.topix.net/forum/world/denmark/TBRTPR82CK80O7GEM]Deedat loses debate with Christian pastors[/url]

Lest the reader not make it to the end of the page and see David’s true heart burden and his primary work, I paste the words here:

From time to time, during these last 9 years of Deedat’s confinement, I remember having misgivings about writing the story of Deedat's downfall. I wanted to keep my focus on loving Muslims by acts of kindness and witnessing to them with ‘gentleness’. I rationalized that, to divert my energies into writing this kind of an article, would undermine my main calling. Eventually, after consulting with other ministers of the gospel, the growing conviction I felt in my conscience was confirmed and I wrote the article, ‘Deedat's Downfall’. Let me assure you: writing it was not at all easy. Many times I either wanted to put it off or wanted to do other things.


Let us set our sights on things above, and watch what God is doing in the Islamic world. After all, what man does will come to nothing, as seen in the case of Deedat.


Diane

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That some strange mess you got there John. I personally believe that the end is vary near and that just makes things a little clearer. I've been watching Europe and not the middle east for the anti-christ. Going to have to start checking there as well. Thanks,

bro Doug

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The important thing to remember here is that this religion is built on the insane rantings of a mad man. This man could not even read or write. He ripped off the bible to weave his web of madness by using bible characters and stories. No person in their right mind would want to follow such a unstable individual unless they were forced to. If we show these people the truth the truth will set them free.

Otherwise we can just sit back and say "Well everthing is going to be O.K., God is in control so whatever happens happens." That's a cop out. We need to get to work ministering to these people and teching our people how to minister to them. We need to teach our people what this religion is based on and they need to be schooled in the Q'uran. Their bible is so full of stupidity that even a child can see that it is rediculous. It's either we convert them or they convert us. That's the way it is.

I have ministerd to some of them but it is very difficult because they actually believe in Jesus. They believe he was a prophet and they claim to believe the bible as well.

I bought a palastenian student a bible and went through it highlighting all the passages of scripture that show Christs deity. I was never able to deliver it to him because he disapeared and I never saw him again.

We should have tracks handy to hand them in our gas stations and small buisnesses that they seem to be taking over. I'm in the medical field so I see many of them are doctors and medical workers. Be ready to share the gospel with them but "Jesus is the way" is not gonna get it. We need to understand how they think and we need to know more about their religion than they do.

This book is the most well written book on their bible and the foundation of their faith that I've ever seen. This man was once a politician and a republican but when he strated studying theri religion he no longer supported THE WAY THIS WAR WAS BEING FOUGHT. Terrorism is just a tactic and you can't fight terrorism. it's light saying let's fight the guard at the gate. We need to go to the source which is their bible and origin.

I'm not saying I don't support my president, because I do. He needs our prayers more than ever. I think he may either be conceiling the fact that he knows this as to not start another crusade. Or he really is misinformed.

I'm convinced that if people will see this idiotic religion for what it is the will no longer follow these teachings.

no country that has ever been prdominantly muslim has ever been successful. They are poverty stricken and usually the literacy rate is less than the population of christians that occupy the country.

J-bird

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i recieved this from a freind in australia,& think it is relevant to this topic, if anyone could tell me aswel did they hear or see this in any of the media?
i cant get the pics up but if you google images & "religion of peace demonstration" they will sp[eak for themselves

These Pictures tell it all!

Muslims have stated that England will be the first country they take
over!

These are pictures not shown on American TV or in American Newspapers
(as they might help Bush's war on terror), but were forwarded to me by a
Canadian Friend who thought Americans ought to know!

These pictures are of Muslims marching through the streets of London
during their recent

"Religion of Peace Demonstration."

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bro John

The reminders of this being a spiritual battle are good.Would like to add that the current leader of iran main mission is to usher in the 12 imam who is the savior of islam and the world and will rule for "seven" years and at the end bring judgement. please read this article http://usconservatives.about.com/b/a/257302.htm
God bless, John

seems like the antichrist to me this 12th imam...

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He could be. I am not saying it is since I don't know 100%.However it is definetly something to keep a sharp eye on. To add to formidable's post. Mohmar Qadafi leader of libya said in march 2006 speech that within 3 decades europe will be a muslim nation. He went on to say that the United States and Britain have a problem they must either convert to Islam or fight. I believe you can find this quote with a google search or go to memri.org or com and look it up that way.
There are some prophetical things that must happen No matter how much we may not want it to. However we are still called to procalim the whole counsel of God to all. It is my hope that America will be a semi safe haven during the reighn of Antichrist. Christians need to proclaim and actually live out radical revival faith in order to have further revival in America. God bless, John

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Found the libya article. Be cautious of this website and please remember DO NOT LET YOU LOVE GROW COLD TOWARDS MUSLIMS!!!!! We can be tempted to as we see what is happening. Remember "because of the increase of wickedness the love of many will grow cold"
www.jihadwatch.org/archives/011280.php
God bless John

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I don't know why this has become so important to me. I never really thought a whole lot about this religion, but my eyes have been opened to some things. I pray that every SI member will read this book and take it seriously. The man who wrote this book is very intelligent. I heard him speak on the radio just a few days ago. He's had thousands of death threats since he wrote it.

He is a very soft spoken and meek individual. he truly has a burden for church and the souls of these people. He knows many world leaders and has a personal relationship with many of them. he is a close friend and companion to Jerry Fallwell. He's not just some conspiracy nut. he's is a very sound and stable individual and his background will attest to that.

PLEASE READ THE BOOK!!!

J-bird

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I encourage you brother to watch this video:

[b]The Power of Prayer (video)[/b] by Keith Daniel
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=4224

I think the focus and spirit behind these posts are not best. You really need to watch the video and realize our struggle is not against "flesh and blood." Let us enter into warfare on our knees beloved.

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Thank you brother and I assure you I will watch the video. I realize this is extreme, and I realize what we are fighting against, that's why I'm trying to warn people. sometimes extreme measures are necessary to get peoples attention. I'm not saying to hate muslims, or kill muslims, or be mean to muslims. What I'm saying is we need to realize, that is what they want to do to us. We can't just stick our head in a hole and act like everthing is o.k. I trust in God and that's where my hope is.

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not at all saying those things. I'm saying educate one another about this threat. Let's fight this at the source which is their bible and origin. let's educate them and show them the true way.

Without us they will die in hopelessness and despair. They will take everone they can with them. They don't realize that the demons of hell are motivating them. They think what they are doing is right. I do have a burden for them. I also have a burden for my family and your family, and their future might depend on the way the church reacts to this in the next few years. Are we gonna just stand back like a bunch of laodacians or are we gonna become aggressive in our ministering and soul-winning like a philadelphian.

I'm only telling the truth. If this is not the place for that than I'll sorrowfully bow out. I don't even know you but I know enough about you by reading your posts that you love and serve the same God I serve. I assure you that my heart is in the right place. I don't hate them, I hate the enemy that is influencing them.

J-bird

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I say this to you in all love and respect, (and i mean that as Christ is my witness)

Brother it seems to me you are wrapped up in fear, and it's bleeding into your rhetoric:

these people are living next door to us. it's time for us christians to take our country back.

first, "these people"? What do you mean? Of course....all sorts of ethnicities of folks live "next door" to us, we're a nation of immigrants, why do you think we are a great nation? "Give me your tired"......my folks, whether they were poor Boheminian coal miners, one of whom became the mayor of Chicago with a grade school education, or another side of my family, a stout Jewish woman baker from Poland who funneled over her children one at a time, as her meager resources permitted were all immigrants, and they worked hard, they built things, or became leaders, and they were ALL immigrants.

Quite frankly, I get very [i]concerned[/i] when I hear believers talking about "christians taking our country back". That kind of rhetoric fueled the most ugly pogroms and inquisitions the world has ever seen, which is precisely the reason the framers of the Constitution and the judiciary has consistently reiterated that freedom of religion is one of the pillars of freedom that make us great, make us the envy of the world.

Don't fear, if God is for us, who can be against us?

Mohammad was a rapist and a pediphile. He was a devil worshiping pagan that used terror to build his devil possessed, God hating, murderous, perverted religion.


let me ask you this; do you really believe with that invective type of rhetoric you will win one muslim to Christ?

My barber is a secular muslim from Beirut, and he knows precisely that I am a Jew who is a follower of Jesus, and we have a deep friendship, because in my spirit I made the vow that I'm just gonna love him, and that when he looks in my eyes, he will SEE the Love of Christ, and he does. I want him to envy the peace of God that has come upon me.

If i start a dialogue with him, that would include a diatribe about Mohhamed being a "rapist pedophile", I lose him, and if I start to fuss about him "cutting my throat", I'm living in fear and that is the opposite of faith.

I'm not gonna do that, I don't know how long I have to live, and I'm not concerned about that, all I care about is that when I look upon the Lord, He says, "well done, thy good and faithful servant".

As far as the war is concerned, national leadership is doing the right thing, in my opinion, by framing it as a war against "islamic fascism", thats what it is. But don't fall into the trap of thinking that its going awry, quite to the contrary, the war in Iraq is going precisely as planned.

Sunni kills Shi'a, Shi'a kills Sunni, and the Salafi (thats Wahabbi's) plot and plan their terrorist schemes. Secondly, every grade B jihadist is being drawn into the fight in Iraq, instead of having their attentions focused elsewhere. Meanwhile we now possess two strategically excellent staging posts for the coming war against Iran, and THAT is where the dark heart of islamo-fascism lays, in the cities of Tehran and Qom ,Iran. We have projected force into both Afghanistan and Iraq, and now we will work the diplomatic route to build a multilateral consensus to defeat these fascists, cause thats all they are.Once we exhaust the diplomatic route, because the mullahs in Iran believe that they can construct a arc of fundamentalistic islamic regimes stretching from Morrocco to Indonesia, hence I doubt diplomacy will work, but we have to give it a chance. Once that phase fails, we go to war agaisnt the islamic republic of iran. They are fascists, Hitler's with religion, and they will be defeated.

My past paragraphs have been discussing the things of the world, Caesar's stuff, and I beg your forgiveness, but I believe from my heart, that in the U.S. we must not be hasty in marginalizing the islamic community, or breathing out a rhetoric of fear and invective religious discourse.

Don't think for instant that the U.S. intelligence community DOESN'T have a bead on jihadists cells within the U.S. Our intelligence community has resources that boggle the imagination.

remember this, throughout the middle east, they don't manufacture light bulbs, they make IED's, they don't teach geologists, they indoctrinate shaheed, martyrs.

God is exposing all of this, I just pray that men, in their fear, don't disrail His plans.

Please, in Jesus' Name, I ask you, be careful of your rhetoric, words breathed in fear can be like gasoline poured on a fire.

There are thirty guests on this forum right now, only God knows where they come from.

with Jesus' love, bartle

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I understand where you are coming from brother bartle. Please don't read into what I'm saying. I don't fear them, I fear that the people I love the most are in danger. I have many friends of whom are from differnent races. One of my best childhood friends is Vietnamese. His father was an officer in the Vietnam war for the good guys. He had to flee with his family after the fall of Saigon.

We DO need to take this country back, it is founded on the christian faith. That's all I'm saying. Do you realize it is illegal to be a muslim in this country. WHY you say? Because the agenda of the muslim is to "fight and kill all non muslims until the muslim faith has taken over the world." So that means they want to overthrow our government. THAT'S ILLEGAL.

By the way I'm part cherokee indian. If anyone should be bitter about taking the country back it should be me. :-P JUST KIDDING. No I mean our faith should be what guides and influences this country. Not a doctrine of devils. This is the same kind of threat that Hitler initiated in World war II. The Koran is just like Mine Kopf only Hitlers book was better written.

I do trust our government. I love George Bush, I voted for him. I know he will make the right decisions.

J-bird

Let me also say I'm not preaching to muslims I'm preaching to christians, and i would never start a dialogue like that while dealing with a muslim.

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Brother,

I am not trying to speak from much ignorance but is not america a good moral nation based on liberty and the moral virtues of the bible? Most of the founding fathers were freemasons and diests. America is not a Christian nation as much as Rome was a Christian nation when constatine embraced Christendom. America is not the promised land it is not worthy of our "blood" to battle or struggle for a Christian nation. Our home is in heaven and that is our goal. Yes we need to pray and live a moral life that is Christian but the only hope for america's situation morally, enconomically and spiritually is a nation-wide revival from heaven. Nothing will force back the false cults and false religions except for a revival of religion.

Let us put forth our efforts with such, not as brother Neil stated in a "fanfare and noise" but really raising something that will not bring change, we can yell till our face is blue that america is bankrupt and is going to be toppled. But Oh it is much more important to in meekness and fearfulness approach God in a solemn assembly individually and coporately.

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Brother,

I have also RETITLE the thread from: "The truth about Islam. What the muslims don't want you to know. THEY WANT TO KILL YOU!!!!" to
"The truth about Islam"

because this was the orginal title you posted it as, a rule on the forums is not to re-edit and retitle subjects and threads as much as possible, and I think that the latter title brings unnecessary "alarm" and "shock" to the readers.

I appreciate your accepting this, if there is a muslim that is viewing this site because of this thread then it is hoped they will find the reasonableness of our faith and the Christ-likeness of our speech and perhaps look into reading the gospels (injeel) of Jesus Chirst and be converted.

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Greg,

Good work! Title fitly changed.

Proverbs 25:11
A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.

Praise Him !!

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Fair enough. I would like to ask one question. Did I say anything that was not the truth. Maybe we should read Rom. chapter one and see how Paul lays out the dangers of turning from the truth. Paul did'nt pull any punches. I'm tired of dancing around the truth so we don't offend anyone. Either the bible is the Word of God or it's not. Either we serve the one true God or we don't.

If you don't think this country is founded by christians than read The Mayflower Compact.

If I've said anything that offends anyone than they might need to be offended. I do not apologize for anything I've said or the stand that I have made against this religion. I have not attacked anything but a false pagan god and the roots of this religion.

J-bird

"Let God be true and every man a liar" -Holy Bible

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bro J-Bird
i'm kinda leaning toward bro greg's stance as far as the founding of this nation. it seems to me if we were a Christian nation, we would be living in a theocracy. the people on the mayflower were looking to escape religious persecution but when George Washington and them got together to declare independance from England, they had a different set of problems to deal with. They didn't make Christianity the exclusive religion but rather made it ok for anyone to practise their faith without fear of persecution.

i don't think that there is any such thing as a Christian nation anywhere except in that Far Country. Now there are Christians in every nation though. At this stage though the sins of our nation and indeed of the world as a whole have piled up high enough that there is no staying God's hand. His judgment is coming on this nation and indeed the whole world. so it is not "us" who are to take back "our" but rather it is God Himself who shall take back His earth from the enemy (who even though he rules now he is under God's thumb) i'm reminded brethren of when Joshua by God's hand took Jericho:

Joshua 5 (using KJV)

[b]13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain F13 of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. [/b]

Joshua until then had not reckoned with the fact that they were fighting not for themselves or for their land but for God's land. Now God had promised it to Abraham's descendants but the land was God's. we need to get it into our heads, hearts and spirits that God [b]is not[/b]on [b]our[/b] side but that by Christ's blood we are now on [i][b]His[/b][/i]side. additionally God is working out His own agenda and not our own and we need to get on board with His agenda. Anything we set our minds and hearts to which is not in accordance to His will is futile and will fail ultimately.

it is good for us to love country but unless that love is the love of Christ, then it doesn't glorify God. only by that love can we really do right by God as it pertains to loving Him, ourselves, family and even country.

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you wrote:

We DO need to take this country back, it is founded on the christian faith.

Brother, I cannot more strenously disagree with you. The men that founded this country were fleeing from a state sanctioned form of civic christianity, (and I use the lower case "c" on purpose) As my brother Greg stated, a lot of the founding fathers were "deists", and I might add slaveholders, which is a horrendous sin I won't even address in this post.

and I have no idea what you mean when you say we must "take this country back". We have a Constitution that says and implies freedom of religion, and that means if a Buddhist wants to immigrate here, and worship Buddha, or be a Hindu, or a Muslim, they are FREE to do so, this is what makes America great, and I have put my body in a uniform to defend the right of those who wish to partake of this freedom, this great freedom.

Anybody who wishes to rescind this freedom, in my opinion is the antithesis of a patriot, which is precisely why my warning bells sound when I hear the rhetoric about "taking back this country for christ", because that is the genesis of a theocracy, which is something the founding fathers fought against, a civic religion, a national religion.

I know there are many ministries which engage in this type of rhetoric, and I give them a wide wide berth, because when you start down the slippery slope of civic christianity, a national religion, you no longer worship Christ, your deity becomes the power of the state, and the men who head up this new apostate fleshly religion.

America is great because we ALL have freedom, and sometimes freedom gets messy, but it leads to great ideas, soaring ideas, when people are allowed to live and breathe in freedom. A civic religion would suck the life out of this great experiment.

Look at Iran for your template on what happens when a nation slides down the slope of theocracy.

sidebar sir, since when is it illegal to be a muslim in America?

and I don't believe it's loving to group the Koran in the same class as "Mein Kampf". It's incendiary, and it doesn't help.

Please don't take offense at what i wrote, but I believe that this unique experiment called The United States of America, is based in freedom, and the call of the patriot is to defend the freedom of ALL who live here, and frequently the tree of freedom must be nourished with the blood of patriots, and that has nothing to with Christ, and everything to do with Caesar.

But we pray that the Caesar's are endowed with the Wisdom and Love of Jesus, we don't mandate it thru legislation.

bartle

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Well said,Ironman

"we need to get it into our heads, hearts and spirits that God is [b]not on our side but that by Christ's blood we are now on His side.[/b] additionally God is working out His own agenda and not our own and we need to get on board with His agenda. Anything we set our minds and hearts to which is not [b]in accordance to His will[/b] is futile and will fail ultimately."

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Brother,
you didn't offend ME, not at all, I just believe your wrong. The last thing our country needs is to be assembling the dictates and doctrines of a nationalistic civic religion, that would masquarade under the mandate of "taking the nation back for christ".

Thats the "religion" I have a problem with, islamo-fascism WILL be faced down by us, but islamo-fascism would be the kissing cousin of such a nationalistic civic christianity, they would be bookends of the same hellish prediliction that man has towards "control" using the dictates of religion to control.

Do you get what I'm trying to say?

and brother, I gotta take issue with you on your stand about how people might need to be offended, or if you offended them you won't apologize...thats okay, but does that stand really reflect the Heart of Christ as spoken in the Beatitudes?

"Blessed are the meek.....blessed are the poor in spirit".....

Slam islam all you want, but I promise you that few will see Jesus in such postings.

again, I beg your forgiveness if I offended or angered you, I'm speaking my heart.

bartle

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We need to pray that the "kingdom of God expands" and grows and multiplies admist the "world system" which includes america as a nation.

"These all died in faith,not having recieved the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were perusaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were [b]strangers and pilgrims[/b] on the earth." - Hebrews 11:13

HEAVENLY COUNTRY v16

I see it more alarming that false cults such as jehovah witnesses are "spiritually" stealing new born sheep in God's flock, one missionary stated the biggest hindrance in the mission fields right now is the false cults that creep in unawares and led people captive to falsehood.

The powers of occult are also crushing in. If ever there has been a time to enter into warfare on our [b]knees[/b] it is now, all other attempts will be futile, let us be diligent to pray with others for the kingdom of God to grow and its influence be felt in society at large. "your faith has been spread abroad." oh for those same days again 2000 years later.

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I see it more alarming that false cults such as jehovah witnesses are "spiritually" stealing new born sheep in God's flock, one missionary stated the biggest hindrance in the mission fields right now is the false cults that creep in unawares and led people captive to falsehood.


in the embryonic mission field of North Korea, one of the BIGGEST worries is that both the Jehovahs AND the Unification church (the moonies) are readying many workers to stream into North Korea once that anti-christ region implodes. And I might add the mooonies are spending BIG money within North Korea as we speak, to construct food factories, concessions, etc.....and i can count on one hand Full Gospel tentmakers who are training to evangelize the lost of this beleagered nation. I mean there are more than few who would evangelize North Korea, but the cults are working overtime in this countries regard.


anyway, I digress, Lord's blessing unto you bro, and I pray that I haven't angered our bro J-Bird.

bartle

off to work.

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Bro. Bartle you have not angered me. I am a little frustrated because it seems I'm being taken all wrong. I'm not "bashing" Islam I'm stating the truth.

Is this rhetoric Christlike? Jesus said some pretty stern things to the Pharisees. Paul said some pretty stern things to the Greeks. Elijah cut the heads off of the prophets of Baalam. He also mocked them to their face. You tell me. Is this type rhetoric biblical?

I'm not angry bro. just trying to press my point.

J-bird

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Greetings everyone.

I would like to ask you all to consider exactly what has been lost to us in the United States.

To that end, I'd like to share some things from a book I have titled [b]Christianity and the American Commonwealth[/b] by [i]Charles B. Galloway[/i] which states the following things about several of the State Constitutions:

of New Jersey(1776) it says

"all persons professing a belief in the faith of [b]any Protestant sect[/b],... should be capable of being members of either branch of the Legislature,..."

of New Hampshire

that it "authorised and empowered" the towns thereof, "to make proper and adaquate provision for the maintenance of '[b]pulic Protestant teachers of piety, religion, and morality[/b].'"

of Deleware

that anyone who would hold public office should delcare "[b]I do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ his Son, and the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed forevermore; and I do acknowledge the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be given by divine inspiration[/b]."

of the organic law of North Carolina

that "[b]no person who should deny the being of God, or the truth of the Protestant religion,....should be capable of holding any office or [u]place of trust[/u] in the civil government of the state[/b]."

of Georgia(1777)

that every member of the House of Assembly "[b]shall be of the Protestant religion[/b]."

Similar things are stated about the constitutions of South Carolina and Massachusetts as well.

Brothers and sisters, would any of you assert that the loss of such qualifications for governemt officials is [b]preferrable[/b] to the current state of our political affairs whereby we may be [i]happily[/i] governend by athiests and witches? If so I hope you wouldn't be inclined also to argue over what the definition of 'is'.... is.


May we consider also, which of the two nations, this former one, or this presnt one, would be more likely to recieve the blessing of renewal and the radiant showers of divine favor upon its peoples. Would it be a bad thing then if the Bible was read in schools again? or if the Ten Commandments were displayed, inspite of fears that 'lest looking upon them, the children might be influenced to obey them.'

If none of these things seem impressive, then at least may we remember the warning of scripture

[b]The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.[/b]

That they forget God at least implies [b]they once knew Him[/b].

:-?

Perplexed,

Christopher Joel Dandrow

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brethren
bro Greg said:

The powers of occult are also crushing in. If ever there has been a time to enter into warfare on our knees it is now, all other attempts will be futile, let us be diligent to pray with others for the kingdom of God to grow and its influence be felt in society at large. "your faith has been spread abroad." oh for those same days again 2000 years later.

This is the key here, we ought to go on our knees before God. Only His hand can sort all this out and unless we're lining up with what He is doing, we're not going to achieve anything except getting in the way and getting hurt.

bro Greg, those days of 2000+ years ago are a lot closer than it seems so take heart because our redemption draweth near!

Come quickly indeed Lord!AMEN

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bro Chris
so that's what JD stands for!?

you posted this scripture:

[b]The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.[/b]

indeed the word is true. the Lord's judgement is coming swiftly to our nation (and i always say this nation first because i live here and this is where most of us are) and indeed the world because we have forgotten God. Our Lord has shown me and others that His hand will not be stayed but it is raised against us. Nonetheless we ought to see what He would have us do. Lord help us.AMEN. things were very different then...i wonder how those laws were enforced though bro Chris do you have any info on that?

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This thread has split down two general lines of thinking. 1 being threat of islam and how to deal with it. 2. America christian foundation.

Thank you chris jd for posting the "facts" about our christian heritage. The supreme court in the past has even declared that this is a Christian nation. Now of course there is freedom of worship in america. We need to take advantage of the fact that there are muslims in america by activly witnessing to them with the purpose of them being converted to Jesus Christ.
Another benefit is you may actual convert a "radical jihadist" who is plotting to kill, now that would be nice.

The majority of christians in america are indifferent to the cult's,jw mormon etc. They are being indiffrent to the islamic invasion as well. Also be aware that we as christians are being hemed into a corner where if we speek pointedly on any issue, islam, cults, homosexulaity on and on effecting America we are told "you can't do that" or "that's just your opinion".

J bird has told you he would not lead off with hey you muslim did you know mohamad was a etc. etc. I don't even use that on mormons with Joseph smith or jw's with charles t russell
Primary weapon is witnessing to them of sin rightousness and judgemnt repentance faith and the cross.

I'm sitting here in Baghdad. I've been here awhile. You have your muslims in name only, you have devout true muslims, you have radical jihadists muslims. (In addition there is about 500,000 christains in iraq).
Thats what's in america. (Hopefully not very many radical jihadists). I'll stop for now God bless, John

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Just a suggestion. I may have rewritten the title, "THE TRUTH OF RADICAL ISLAM, CONVERT OR DIE"

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The title, even after the editing, still rattles me. I am wondering, ‘Where is this “truth” coming from? From what reporters? What researchers?

Ten reporters once convinced 2 million people of the “truth” - that the giants in Canaan were 100 feet high –that’s essentially how they described these formidable threats. Two other reporters saw the same thing but reported a very different truth, which to me seemed a lot better. Yet those men were ignored.

It’s the same today regarding the Muslim threat: people get most of their “truth” from the worldly media, or those with agendas. People aren’t seeing it through the eyes of faith.

I suspect the same kind of reporting is occurring on the other side of the ocean. Ex: “The truth about Christians is that they want to kill you. They want to control the world.” I ask, why shouldn’t the Muslims be appalled at our decadent life-style, or brazen TV actors, our greed, our crime, immorality, etc…. They have just as much reason to hate Christianity as we have to hate Islam.

Sermonindex wrote:

We need to pray that the "kingdom of God expands"

These words are convicting. I realize that I have not been diligent in prayer for our missionary friends (see earlier post). I almost posted their prayer letter here, which explained their wonderful ministry among Muslims. I refrained from posting it because I did not wish to put the people at risk – those converts whose names were in the letter.
( I wonder if that’s why we don’t hear even a fraction of what God is doing among the Muslims - It’s too risky to make it known.)

Anyway, I emailed the missionary for any info that could be posted here, and will do so if some arrives. It would be nice to get some truth from a missionary to the Muslims.

Diane

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Well Diane there is a little confirmation on your question of where the "TRUTH" comes from. You said it, you didn't want to put the people "at risk" and ...it's to risky to make it known". The "Truth" of "Radical Islam" is just that convert or die.
Lastly you said it would be nice to get some truth from a missionary to the muslims. The way you say that and the previous things inplies that we have not conveyed truth on this "thread"?
God bless, John

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Let me say one more time so that I might be crystal clear about this issue. I AM NOT "bashing" muslims. All I'm attemting to do is shed light on their RELIGION. They all use the same bible. This book is filled with hate. It is what motivates them. It is a doctrine of devils. Muhammad was a mad man. He was a devil worshiper. He was motivated by Satan.

Muslims are blinded by Satan. We need to show them the truth by revieling the truth about their bible. THE KORAN. We need to show them the truth about muhammad. He was a NUT. He was more like a witch doctor than a prophet. That is the TRUTH. Then we need to show them Jesus through the Word of God. This truth is not for the faint of heart, BUT IT IS INDEED THE TRUTH.

J-bird

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on yahoo news today it was reported that "Muslim leaders "condem" Pope for comments he made concerning Prophet Mohamed.
Very interesting artcile in light of this thread.
I will note a couple of things;
1. The response from the muslims was'nt to prove the aligations about Mohamed wrong, it was just a how dare you.....
2. The response from Vatican was kinda of a tapdance that I am not totaly comfortable with.

We should stop apologizing for telling the truth.
(incidently I am not catholic).

God bless, John

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Hi,

Right now I am in Indonesia working with a missions base for a couple of weeks. It is one of Asia's predominately Muslim nations. As I type this I can hear the prayer chants echoing from the mosques.

I was speaking with my missionary friend here who last night was telling me that nearly every Muslim person here has demonic encounters and has demons that manifest in their homes.

My friend was telling me how when she fist came here she lived alone and one of the Muslim guys was asking her if she was afraid of living alone. She said "no why?" the muslim guy was asking," arent you afraid of the spirits?" She said "no." And the muslim guy went on to say that he was afraid to be in his home alone because of the demons and went on to describe the demon that lives in his home. this is the case for many muslims.

This same friend who also recently began a Bible college here was telling me a story that one of their students shared recently. Lately in the school they have been emphasising on evangelism, though here in Indonesia it is illegal to evangelise and even bares death sentences in some parts of the nation.

The student was telling of how just the other day she was witnessing to a Muslim woman who was becomming converted to Christianity through their conversation. The woman being witnessed to went home that night and was being bomabrded by ugly demonic beings who were attacking her and shouting ,"you cannot convert to Christianity!"

I sure there are many more stories that I have not been told yet.

Keith

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That was very insightfull Worldveiw. i normally don't associate demons manifesting in islam. Thank you for enlightning me.

When you spoke about the death sentence for witnessing it reminded me of something else.

When a christian is beat or arrested or killed for evangelizing a strange thing happens in the mind of "some" christians. They think to themselves, "well the christian probably was witnessing in the wrong spirit" or "well the christian shouldn't have been breaking the law"

This is not proper reasoning. The first things should be "Wow a modern martyr, or "hero" of the faith".etc etc. something to think about.

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Hi brother Ironman. I appologise it took so long to respond to your question.

The J and D of my screenname are my middle and last initials. My whole name is Christopher Joel Dandrow. I never really liked my name and was teased about my last name growing up but after my conversion I had a whole new appreciation for my name. Then again I sometimes have wondered what my new name is, or will be?

And then I think of what Pastor Wurmbrand shared in the message [i] The Beauty of Nothing [/i] about being asked of the Lord what his name was. As I recall, he thought the Lord would say something so comforting to him in such terrible circumstances. I wonder how we would respond in similar circumstances if the Lord asked us


[b][color=990000]what is your name?[/color][/b]

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=4529]The Beauty of Nothing[/url]


In regards to how the early states enforced the laws I could only speculate. At the end of the chapter from which the information was taken, the author says that '...reaction soon set in, and modifications were adopted from time to time' because of 'a liberalizing public opinion' but that they 'lasted long enough to be the mold in which the civilization of the young states should set and harden.'

Wallbuilders.com might have some more info on this.

Grace and peace be with you all in Messiah Jesus.

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thingsabove wrote:
Just a suggestion. I may have rewritten the title, "THE TRUTH OF RADICAL ISLAM, CONVERT OR DIE"

and it should also be said of the Christian Faith:

THE TRUTH OF TRUE CHRISTIANITY, REPENT OR DIE!

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ChrisJD

Hi everyone.

Keith, you shared that

I was speaking with my missionary friend here who last night was telling me that nearly every Muslim person here has demonic encounters and has demons that manifest in their homes.

and this agrees with something I read in a book I recently purchased called [i]Iran Desperate for God[/i]. It has the testimony of 8 former muslims that have come to faith in Christ in Iran. In the last testimony, the woman describes how during a certain month that the martyrdom of one of Muslim prophets was observed, a [i] dark spirit [/i] would come over her.

Brothers and sisters, I really dont know how to adaquately and appropriately describe what these souls are laboring under, according to these testimonies. On the same page from this book there is a picture of rows of women dressed in Islamic garb holding what looks like AK-47s. [b]They are said to have all memorized the Koran[/b].

Ohh brothers and sisters,

[b][color=000000]And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation[/color][/b]

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Lastly you said it would be nice to get some truth from a missionary to the muslims. The way you say that and the previous things inplies that we have not conveyed truth on this "thread"?

I think if you go back to my words about the Joshua- et-al new reporters you’ll get my drift. I did not say or imply that what has been said was false. It is just incomplete. It is only the partial truth at best. That's as bad as our history text books.

It's hard, if not impossible, to present history or cultural information without being somewhat subjective and generalized.

It’s been said: What’s dangerous is not the part that is said, but the part is left unsaid. Partial truth is dangerous. It has a way of swaying people’s minds in a very wrong direction.

So far, no one has mentioned the most important part: What GOD is doing and how he sees it. And as long as that part is left out, I must only listen with half an ear.

Our purpose of believers is to strengthen the faith of fellow believers:

“Night and day we pray most earnestly for you that we may see you again and supply what is lacking in your faith.” 1 Thes. 3:10

‘We are encouraged about you because of your faith.” 1 Thes. 3:7

“I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you because your faith is being reported all over the world. Rom. 1:8

One tends not to strengthen the faith of believers by leaving out the work of God and the situation of the believers, and instead spotlighting all the bad and horrible stuff. You might merely reinforce fear and give the devil the spotlight. Fear is a powerful force in humanity. It sways people to defend themselves, attack their perceived enemy… and a lot of other bad stuff. Israel’s history should teach us a lot about that.

Does that make sense?
Diane

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Anyone read this book yet? The Prophet Of Doom.

I would like to hear some feed back.

Was it informative? Did it give you a better undertanding of what were up against?

J-bird

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Anyone read this book yet? The Prophet Of Doom.

no i didn't, got about 15 books ahead of it, were I to have an interest in it, which I don't.

Humbly I say, I have a pretty good idea of WHAT we are up against, AND what is edifying to read and what is not.

bartle

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Oh, O.k bro. Bartle. I see. Sorry you feel that way.

Anyone else care to share?

This is very interesting to me. If you have no idea what Im talking about, go to the first post on this thread and click on the web site I have provided.

J-bird

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Hey brother J-Bird.

This is my first post about the topic in which i have to quickly cover a few things.

1) "Islam is not a religion of peace."
Clear and simple, no mistaking. In the quran and the hadith it does not allow for pace to be established with the infidels. The muslims are permitted to assimilate into a society to a certain extent, till they have enough numbers to take the nation by force if neccesary. Eg. Lebannon, Sudan, etc. Peace between us and them is only a ploy for them to trick us intill they are strong enogh to gain power. (A world wide Islam is the goal and nothing short of it.)


2) "Islam is not a religion in which we can just sit back, watch and do nothing about."
We must be prayerful, active and fervrent in our outreach towards the muslims. We must LOVE them and CARE for them. The quote i love to hear is "Muslims dont care about how much you know, they care about how much you care." ( i am not saying that we do not need to be studied up on them and their religion be it suffi, sunni or shi'a......but merely we have to show our love towards them in our outreach.


3) "America is a pagan nation." I agree with Greg on the point that it resembles Constantines Rome. Uncanny in its simmilarites....America is soon to be persecuting Christians just as Rome. Eucemical movement is making ground in America, an im not making a prophecy here but i can sort of see how there will be a state recognised christianity in America coming abut soon.

On this point my friend in Australia is well aware of. He was asked to go onto arabic radio and speak about Christianity. However he was asked what he was going to speak about first, and if he didnt outline what he woas going to speak about he was not allowed to speak on air. This was according to law handed down by government so people's feelings are protected.

4) "Islam in most respects is commited to the destruction of Israel."
Yes and to a massive degree. The muslims know just as mohammed found ou in medina that the Jews will not convert to their religion, and that means that the only other thing left to do is to wipe them out. (go to MEMRI.org for examples of hatred toward the Jews in different forms.) Remember that the Arab muslims are decendents of Ishmael, and God said that he would be a wild donkey of a man.....with his hand against the other nations and their hands against him.

5) "Islam has a deep spiritual hold on many souls, and it is intensely difficult for one to convert out of."
The example of demons mainfesting is intenses, however i mean by this statement that for someone to come out of Islam it takes a war and a half, so great is the deception and the hold of satan that the muslims are amongst the hardest to convert.

6) "Concerning 'Prophets of Doom'"
I have not read all of the information available, however in what i read the langauge used was intense and abusive towards muslims. eg: when refering to "paradise" the author tells the muslims "Sorry Muslims, Paradise is full. A giant 'No Vacancy' sign is hanging over the brothel door." (reference http://www.venusproject.com/prophet_of_doom/chapter3.html)

Now concerning the site/ book the information in it is great for christians to know a bit more about islam, however i would not pass this on to one of my muslim friends. I do not believe it will benefit them by me telling them that "Mohammed was a peodophile and a barbaric arab"........J-Bird this claim is TRUE however it will only bing up a wall of emnity between myself and them.

7) http://www.answering-islam.org/ is a great site, with stacks of information which is highly edifying which i believe is done in the Spirit of God. He does not attack the muslim by using harsh staements against them, he chooses his words carefully and he seeks to educate christians in the proper way to evangelise to a muslim. All the information provided is free, and it is a great source.
(on this not i am not saying "Prophet of Doom" is not a reasonable site to use, however i am recomending "Answering Islam" ahead of it in its relaibility and safety.)

There is much more i would love to share about my experiences with the muslims, however i have to go to church. I will be back on later to share a bit more about muslims evangelism.

God bless you all. in love and peace.

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J-bird I have not read Prophet of Doom yet. When I get back to the states I will try and get it. I would also like to read "The politicaly incorrect guide to Islam" That looks pretty good from what I have seen in the advertisment..

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Here is an article passed on by Intercessors Network. I include Lars Widerberg’s introductory comment, and then post a site rather than the body of the article.

“Though this item holds one or two somewhat harsh and sweeping generalisations, it carries a message worth pondering and much prayer.”
Lars W.

[url=http://www.renewamerica.us/analyses/060630hutchison.htm]The enigma of Islam: The two faces of Muhammad
by Fred Hutchison[/url]

My comments: This article presents two faces of Islam – one peaceful and one warlike, and explains how the two interplay. It is most revealing and informative. You might question some of Hutchison’s final conclusions and speculations, but will likely appreciate how he defrays some typical generalizations.

In all fairness, I feel that the writer, when comparing Islam to Christianity, should also have presented the two faces of Christianity. There is a huge difference between what Christ taught and what has been practiced historically and presently under the umbrella of Christianity. There is a side of Christianity that is similar to Islam – legalistic, outward (ignoring the need for heart change), militant, political, etc.

I felt that the writer did not adequately distinguish between the two kingdoms – that is, the kingdom of the world (political etc) and the kingdom of God (not of this world). It neglects to point out that the kingdom of God is indeed advancing within the Islamic world, though it is not so apparent as other aspects of the culture. It is not the thing news reporters are looking at.

Otherwise - an informing and enlightening read.

Diane


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interesting article, Diane, and your comments are right on. Bub

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I'm hoping and praying that America will still be somewhat of a safehaven for christians in the coming persection under Antichrist.

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bro thingsabove

I'm hoping and praying that America will still be somewhat of a safehaven for christians in the coming persection under Antichrist.

not likely, i don't think there will be such a thing as a safe haven unless it is in the hands of our God. i listened to this sermon last night from art katz, titled and they crucified HIm. i think we're headed into the thick of persecutions much like if not worse than what happened at the first while we yet hope for a rapture. we need to repent and be revived before we can even consider being raptured...unless we're looking to be raptured out of responsibility.

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Ironman you may be right. In my earlier years I used to picture America and concentration camps etc. However I have more hope now. I know that scripture says there will be nations who resist the beast.
When David mourned and prayed for his 1st son from Bathsheba he basically said aftreword " Who knows the Lord might have changed his mind. Well thats one way that I view this wonderfull land of America.(Which I can't wait to get back to)

Also have you or anyone read "The End of Days" by David Dolan? It presents a pretty interesting view of the end times. Anyhow, Lord bless, John

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bro thingsabove
the word doesn't say that it will so much be nations who resist the beast but saints who will because in the end all the nations of the earth will gather to fight against Christ when He returns. nonetheless our Lord will have His way and see His will done. our nation though will certainly not continue on as it is now much longer because we are sorely in need of repentance and He is about to bring that to pass shortly via judgment. However for those who heed the call now, REPENT, REPENT, REPENT, ORD DIE!!!

i've not read that book but if our Lord leads, He'll have me check it out, have you read it? it sounds like you have, what in brief does he postulate in it?

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I read it about 7 years ago. David Dolan is a former cbs correspondent. He now lives in Jerusalem and has a website where he put's updates on.

The book is a novel that focuses mostly in Israel and america. Israel is attacked by Syria and Israel responds by nuking Damascus. Then the world leader antichrist rises in europe and the rest of the whole endtimes is played out. I personaly think it was way better than the left behind book. I think it's worth a read.

Theres another one that is a "little further out there" called the "The Fourth Riech" Bascially piece of hitlers skull used to clone a new hitler who is the antichrist. It has bit's and peaces that add to what could possibly happen during the Tribulation.

These days I don't do much reading of novels or even books on end times. I've read so much and study on it as it is. I pretty much read only the scriptures regarding prophecy study. I enjoy reading revival works now. God bless, John

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These days I don't do much reading of novels or even books on end times. I've read so much and study on it as it is.

John, some years ago I got fed up with what seemed to be a fixation on end times speculation. So I threw it it all aside and asked the Lord to teach me HIS truth in HIS timing. The recent discovery of the ministry of Edgar Parkyns has been God's blessing to me. Parkyns helped me see how Biblical end times teachings ties closely with church history and also the present.

I post the SI link to his sermons here, and enthusiastically recommend them. They have invigorated my faith in God's word and his love for his Church. I believe they also help us develop the proper perspective on present world issues as discussed in this thread.

It's a long haul, but worth it. I hope to go through them again - and make notes.


[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&order=0&topic_id=2411&forum=40&post_id=&refresh=Go]Edgar Parkyns - church history[/url]

Diane

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