Just curious if anyone here listens to sermons by Mike Bickle. Excellent teachings on the Bridegroom and the Bride, as well as the end-times. There is a 24/7 prayer movement taking place there called "IHOP" International House of Prayer. His website is www.fotb.com
Another good resource is Dr. Michael L. Brown. You can find his sermons at www.icnministries.org.
Send me your thoughts. Eager if anyone here listens to them.
Hi,
I appreciate your heart in discussing with like-minded believers. But I would ask you not to try and promote people's teachings in the forums that are found outside of the speakers found on sermonindex. There has been much abuse of this in the past and its hoped that the forums can be a place to discuss sermons on sermonindex and on the bible.
I have been to IHOP personally and found it quite a interesting experience. I am currently getting some of mr browns tapes on revival to be put on the site and some are on there already here:
Micheal L. Brown
Praise God. I didn't know Dr. Brown had been added to the site. Itching Ears and Called to Die are excellent,challenging messages for today's church.
Be very careful of Michael Brown, he is one of the big supporters of the false Pensacola Outpouring. Dont be deceived.
Please Read: http://www.pfo.org/ragriver.htm
boomatt wrote:
Be very careful of Michael Brown, he is one of the big supporters of the false Pensacola Outpouring. Dont be deceived.Please Read: http://www.pfo.org/ragriver.htm
I'm sure Greg is very careful of all the speakers he allows on his website.
boomatt wrote:
Be very careful of Michael Brown, he is one of the big supporters of the false Pensacola Outpouring. Dont be deceived.Please Read: http://www.pfo.org/ragriver.htm
Note that this article is dated 1998. Browne parted company with Brownesville AOG, after disagreements about direction that the church, and in particular, the Bible college was going. I cannot remember exactly when the split occured, but it was definitely after 1999.
With all due respect, the Pensacola Outpouring was not a false outpouring. Did flesh take place? Yes. Was there error at times? Yes. Was the entire thing false? Absolutely not.
Study revivals at any time in history and you will see the same things occured. Many who support Azusa Street, Welsh Revival, Finney's Revivals fail to realize that the same things we call "false" regarding Pensacola took place in those very revivals.
What makes revival a revival is the name of Jesus exalted, a people passing from death to life, strongholds broken, people set free, and many going to the nations.
I have met many who have been converted or returned to the Lord through the Brownsville Revival.
My question is "Can Satan cast out Satan?" Does Satan produce holy lives that desire to live for Jesus whatever the cost? I doubt it.
Also want to publicly apologize to Greg for postings things on a site that is not authorized on Sermonindex.net. It won't happen again.
Be very careful of Michael Brown, he is one of the big supporters of the false Pensacola Outpouring. Dont be deceived.
I have heard many messages by Brown, seen him in person a few times and visited FIRE school on several occasions. I believe he has the heart of God. Have you ever listened to the man? I'm not going to argue the authenticity of Brwonsville. I was not there and would have nothing other than opinions of men or my own reasoning to base it on. Perhaps you were there and have firsthand knowledge of things I know nothing about. I believe God gives us discernment of deception and things not of Him when we are walking with Him. But we must be careful about drawing conclusions about events and people based on what we heard someone else say or an opinion pasted on a webpage somewhere. If we contribute a move of God to being a work of Satan, have we not blasphemed the Holy Spirit?
Hi I would like to say that I have been hit by the teaching over at IHOP like crazy! Corey Russell, Allen Hood, Misty Edwards music, it is stirring! I am thinking about going out there but cautiously. I have a recent testimony of something that happened! I knew that I had to save up 5,000 to go to school out there. I was talking to my mother and told her what was on my heart. She said she would save up for me, I said I don't know about that. The next day at work she mentioned it to her boss. He asked her how much it was "he is a Christian". She told him 5,000 and then he began to cry and said he would pay for it. She told me the next day and I said huh "not sure". After that she called me the next day and she said he told her the whole story. He said I had an extra 5,000 and was praying about what to do with it. When you said 5,000 I knew it was "it" if you would have said 3,400 I would have said no but you said 5,000 so I know. If this place is on the mark then there is no place like it!I have more to say even but that is enough and it was after I decided to plan a step of faith, God bless you :).
A past discussion along with some balanced input from a few familiar with the area and the ministry.
Mattie,
My Wife and her Grandad, as well as her mom went to Brownsville revival, SHE And her whole family saw nothing but flesh, and no glory to god, And she came from a ultra-charismatic church, not a conservative one.
I have heard too many bad things about this revival, people falling over, etc. Do you think this will truly happen in a revival?
Forgive me for posting this link Greg, but Dave Hunt had support from Leonard Ravenhill and has support from David Wilkerson, and he is on Calvary Satellite Radio, which, as you know, is a part of Calvary Chapel.
Link: http://www.thebereancall.org/Newsletter/html/1997/oct97.php
Link: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/pensacola.html
He has seen this footage of people barking and crawling on floors etc.
How can this be a genuine revival?
How can this be a genuine revival?
I'm not familiar enough with Brownsville to comment, but I would like to point out that revivals have historically suffered from weird people doing weird things. Anywhere the Lord is doing a work you seem to have the enemy trying to get in on the act. The challenge is to stay focused on what God is doing. The enemy likes to bring distractions that derail revival. He wants the leaders preoccupied with stomping out wild fires and dealing with so-called heresies until they can't be about the work. This was true for many preachers, especially Finney. He talks in his Memoirs about people getting so excited that they were on the brink of going literally [i]insane
My Pastor and another lady from my church both were at Brownsville as well. The lady's life was transformed radically at Brownsville and she is on fire for God and living radically for him. My Pastor also said he witnessed God's power there. I'm sure there are others whose lives were transformed by Christ as well.
It is not accurate for anyone to say that every single thing at Brownsville was not of God. God can touch whom He wishes at any time in any place.
Thats good that the lady has a zeal for christ.
But was it because of the revival or despite of the revival.
Since it took you a couple of minutes to post back, I think that means you didnt read any of the links. Please read them, you will be disturbed at what you read.
People can get saved out of Benny Hinn's crusades, but does that mean it is an genuine revival? of course not, they were saved despite of that.
God Bless
Matt, I have read the links before, I have heard all the bad reports. I've not been to Brownsville, I do listen to Mike Brown. I've yet to hear any sermon from him that isn't sound. If you can give me an example of one, I'll be glad to listen.
I just don't think that it is wise to say that God didn't ever visit Brownsville or that He never poured out His Spirit there.
Hello Boomatt,
I was just reading over some of the links you gave by Dave Hunt. I respect the man, and thank God for some of the work he has done. However,near the end of one of the articles this is what he says:
It comes as a shock to many to learn that the word "revival" does not appear even once in the entire King James Bible. The hope of revival which excites so many today is not even a biblical concept. Ask yourself a few questions: Is Christ not indwelling us? Is He not in our midst each time we meet? Are we not to be filled with the Holy Spirit at all times? Is not the Word of God sufficient? Why, then, run after signs and wonders as though unusual manifestations prove that God is at work, while neglecting what God has already given us? We will return to this topic in the future.
I hardly think that Leonard Ravenhill or David Wilkerson would back him up on this.
The word revival isn't in the Bible but neither is the word "Trinity." Yet we see a Holy Triune God all throughout Scripture. And it is the same with revival. From the city of Nineveh, to Nehemiah, to Hezekiah, to all throughout the Gospels and (especially in) Acts, we see revival--a radical tansformation of lives as a result of meeting God.
It seems Dave Hunt is already biased in his opinion of revival and uses satan's counterfit signs in Brownsville and Toronto to further his attempt to prove that revival isn't needed.
I have heard too many bad things about this revival, people falling over, etc. Do you think this will truly happen in a revival?
May I suggest some research on past revivals? Jonathan Edwards, John Wesley and others recount such strange events occuring like uncontrolable laughing, barking, and unusual bodily movements, but made it clear that these manifestations were NOT of God. In fact they were ardently opposed to such counterfeits. Many past revials have been destroyed by such perversions, and I don't think Brownsville was any different. I myself was not there, but after doing some research I have come to the conclusion that the true work of God ended there almost immediately after it began. It might have been because of so many false prophets leading people astray and the fact that many were too immature to even handle a real move of God.
I pray that this does not occur when the Lord moves again. Along with unceasing prayer and complete surrender, we need to be in the Word, and have it in our hearts and minds, ready "reprove, rebuke, and exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine", for we know that "many will not endure sound doctrine."
God bless brother.
Can anything good come from brownsville? sounds familier....When spaeking of Jesus....
Jhn 1:46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.
Matt,
why can't you just step back, and let it go?
Thats good that the lady has a zeal for christ
Man, we should be praying together right now and jumping up and down for joy that ONE more has come to Christ(upper case C), and that she stay strong in Christ.
Every single revival in the modern era (post reformation) has had LEGIONS (and I use that word deliberately) of detractors and those who wish to denigrate and dismiss such and such revival, kicking against the goads, nothing new, religious sport, so to speak.
But you're wrong, slandering Dr. Michael Brown like that. I read all that stuff you posted, every bit of it, some of it I've read before.
Dr. Brown is a choice vessel of Christ, his teaching is sound, its Scriptural, and it is wrong of you to slander him on this forum It's wrong. period.
Where you go with that is up to you.
Why don't you listen to "Called to Die"?...available on this very website.
May God bless you (I mean that, it's not just some religious send-off..) May God bless you this moment, bartle
why can't you just step back, and let it go?
Well, because people GET DECEIVED.
What new and good thing came out of The Pensacola Outpouring??????????????
Nothing.
I still cant believe people fall for this fake revival. The next thing I will hear is, that Rodney Howard Brown "The Holy Ghost Bartender" is a holy a just man of god.
Be careful who you listen to, and that is coming from my heart, so that you wont be DECEIVED.
The difference between the revival of Wesley, Finney, etc. is that they would call out the flesh and say it is not of god, in todays revival, the pastors flaunt it, For example, when people wail and bark like dogs, do you hear the pastors denouncing that? NO.
Do you think that John Wesley would say something about that? YES.
The Past revivals focused on the spirit, and truth, todays revivals focus on the Flesh.
And I say god bless to you...
For example, when people wail and bark like dogs, do you hear the pastors denouncing that? NO.
Yes.
I have a Brownsville video where Steve Hill actually stops a sermon to have a man escorted out of the sanctuary for laughing in the spirit. It was very no-nonsense - like a Ravenhill rebuke. Hill understood the centrality of the Word of God. I have been blessed by [i]many[i]was
My point is, I agree that we need to test the spirits, but alas, we can also get hung up on the other end of the spectrum and hamper God as well. But to say that the Brownsville leaders never denounced or regulated bizarre outbursts is not entirely true.
Brother Paul
pride.
I wasn't even really talking about the Brownsville Assembly of God, I was chastisng you for slandering Dr. Michael Brown, which is wrong.
and you had nothing to say about that.
ok.
let me ask you this: Was the revival that came to the Hebrides Islands in Scotland, 1949-53, false? was it of God?....was it of the devil?
many at the time said it was false, many said the revival that came to Wales, 1904 was false. preacher upon preacher denounced Evan Roberts, fore he was a 26 year old Welsh coal miner, who was he? many said he was of the devil, many said he was just exploiting "emotionalism" among the lost.
was the revival in Los Angeles 1906-07 false? Secular newspapers made great sport of it in the press, along with Phoebe Palmer and eventually Parham said this revival was of the devil. was this revival false? Out of this revival was born the Assemblies of God and the Church of God in Christ, are these denominations "false"? are the saints who worship at these churches "decieved"?
was the revival in Pyongyang in 1907 false? many many preachers lined up and proclaimed this a work of the devil. was the revival in the Shantung province in China in 1927 ,false? and railed against John Sung, and Andrew Gih, calling them instruments of the devil.
I have no idea who this Rodney Browne is, nor should you fret and worry about who is decieved, instead you should engage on working out your own salvation with fear and trembling, instead of slandering a man of God like Dr. Michael Brown on a public forum without you YOURSELF refuting point by point HOW he is "decieving" believers.
who are you to say what revival is false, and what is of God?
be careful of religious pride, we see evidence of it everyday on the TV with countless suicide bombers engaging in the work of the devil by murdering thousands of innocents in the name of "god".
religious pride, watch out bud, it'll get you if you're not careful.
firmly, bartle
I wasn't even really talking about the Brownsville Assembly of God, I was chastisng you for slandering Dr. Michael Brown, which is wrong.
If you go back and READ my original post. I said to be careful of him because HE SUPPORTS THE FALSE PENSACOLA OUTPOURING!!! not his school, or him in particular, just to be careful.
let me ask you this: Was the revival that came to the Hebrides Islands in Scotland, 1949-53, false? was it of God?....was it of the devil?
was the revival in Pyongyang in 1907 false? many many preachers lined up and proclaimed this a work of the devil. was the revival in the Shantung province in China in 1927 ,false? and railed against John Sung, and Andrew Gih, calling them instruments of the devil.
I have no idea if they were or not, praise god if they were, but I really don't entirely know, because I obviously wasn't there, and neither were you, so everything that is being said about that is pure SPECULATION.
who are you to say what revival is false, and what is of God?
good point, we are suppose to line it up with the word, and if it is contradicting, then it is obviously a fake revival...
nor should you fret and worry about who is decieved,
I would really like to respond to this one. Are you serious, brother, I love you enough to tell you, and all of the other christians out there to seek the word, find out if it is false, you will be suprised when you do. But dont tell me not to fret and worry about people who are deceived, If I see a brother deceived, you bet I will be on my hands and knees praying to god to deliver them.
religious pride, watch out bud, it'll get you if you're not careful.
I take offense to that! Why would you say such a thing? Back it up... Please, I want to know how I am being religiously prideful.
Here is a link for Rodney Howard Brown, take a look and read some of the articles, well documented...
Very close relationship with the brownsville movement, and the pastors.
Link: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/howard-browne.html
I pray you get something out of this.. I would like to dialogue with you more about this by PM if possible.
God Bless
Matt
you wrote in response to when I asked you about various revivals and moves of God:
I have no idea if they were or not, praise god if they were, but I really don't entirely know, because I obviously wasn't there, and neither were you, so everything that is being said about that is pure SPECULATION
No, it's not "speculation", it's called testimony, it's called "witness"...a "witness" recounts what he or she felt and saw, in their hearts and in
their spirit, and if you would make a careful study of past revival's or moves of God, there are two common denominators, one is a spontenaeous (spelling!) awareness of the fear of God in a community and the response of this community to that sudden Divine Awareness, which is repentance and a turning BACK to God. The other common denominator is the that there are many detractors who declare this move of God, counterfeit.
When God moves, and fills a community, people will wig, when God sent fire down to consume the offerings, and the dust and water that Elijah had poured out, what did the people do?
They fell on their faces, crying.
When Peter spoke the first great evangelistic sermon of the Church, what did people do, they were cut to the quick and cried out, "what must we do to be saved"?...and believe me, that first altar call wasn't a calm and sedate affair, can't you see it? 3,000 people getting saved under enormous guilt and shame and conviction. Don't tell me they weren't getting emotional.
But their were those there, that were probably deriding this first New Covenant revival. I know it, coz they look what they did to Stephen.
So I would suggest a careful study of revival, and this would reveal the Heavenly Architecure of revival.
I said that to say this, when you say, "be careful" of man, the implication is that he is not carefully and Scripturally discharging his duties as a minister of the New Covenant, and thats slander, and thats where I take umbrage with you, coz I'm telling you, personally that many times I have listened to a message that Michael Brown gave at Brownsville entitled "Holy Desperation", that lifted me out of a morass, coz he, in this message describes how Jacob, Israel wrestled with God, desperate and at the end of his rope, How Moses desired MORE of God when he cried, "Now show me Your glory", because he was hungry and desperate of more of God.
Desperate for God and that is the key to community/corporate/national revival.
It was a message delivered from the Throne and of the annointing of the Holy Spirit, and the assembly was so moved to cry out as thus....and this is a man to be careful of?
Brother, it's who one is DRAWN to, we are drawn to Jesus...yes!!!...and we are drawn to those ministers that have the indwelling of Jesus WITHIN them.
I praise God, because he has given me, I'm searching for the right word, he has given me the Knowledge to ascertain in the Spirit to those men, with His annointing who I am drawn to, and to those who I am NOT drawn to.
Early in my walk, one dear older brother, told me I had to watch a video of a great man, and I would be blessed, because he was holding a "revival meeting" next week. So out of respect and love I watched this video, it was Benny Hinn, and I watched about ten, fifteen minutes, all I could bear, because I was not drawn to Benny Hinn. I returned the video, and I said thank you for showing me this....thats all I said.
Now you might be thinking, why didnt you tell him he was decieved, because as a young believer that would be innappropriate, and because I believe firmly in my heart the Holy Ghost reveals all. There would be no heavenly profit in denouncing Benny Hinn to this older man who at that point was so cemented in his heart that Hinn was the real deal.
to put a button to this whole story, a few weeks later, we went to offering and this man was one of those collecting offerings. Now Pastor would allow a word in tongues provided that it was decent and in order, meaning an accompanying translation that lined up with the Word of God.
This older brother all of a sudden went off on tongues, and provided a translation that the whole assembly was aware that this extended utterance was NOT of God, and he was out of order, pastor quickly sidled up alongside, gently took his arm, and whispered in his ear, "thats enough", at the point the older man "seemed" to be "slain in the spirit", but three other brothers would not allow him to sink to the floor, they sat him down on the platform, however his wife in sympathy fell to the floor, and laid so thruout the rest of the service.
Later, pastor and several of the elders had a private meeting with the man, and explained why they believed he was out of order, and they did it gentle and in love, but the man, in religious pride, took his "toys" and huffed out leaving the assembly.
Two months later, in prayer the Spirit had told me to call him, and ask him in love to come back, and I was faithful. He was suprised to hear from me, and I told him I missed him, and loved him, and begged him in the name of Christ to forget what was behind and come back because we loved him, and he was part of the Body of Christ at our church. He rebuffed me and began a litany of complaints on how wrong the pastor was. I said while I respect your opinion, we are of the ministry of reconciliation, but his heart was hardened and he "made up" his [i][b]mind
So I said, I love you, and let it go.
Its who you're drawn to: I am not drawn to Benny Hinn, Joyce Meier, Joel Osteen, Rick Warren, D.James Kennedy, James Dobson, Mike Bickle, the Toronto Christian fellowship, or Rodney Howard Brown...NOR am I drawn to "discerment minstries", ocz , TO ME, it's just a lot of finger pointing, and constant reiteration of whats wrong with this ministry, or that minister, and to me, it reminds me of the pharisees, so I'm not drawn to that.
I'm drawn to the ministry of Michael Brown, who I might add took the Brownsville school of revival out of Brownsville and made it into the FIRE school. He got out of there.
I'm also drawn to the minstries of Evan Roberts, John Sung, David Brainerd, William Seymour, Duncan Campbell, as well as Chip Ingram. I've been reading the autobiography of Rev Josiah Henson, I'm drawn to him, he was the man Harriet Beecher Stowe based the character of Uncle Tom on, his life testimony is incredible. At 50, while a preacher, he couldn't read, having been prevented by his past slave masters to learn to read. Overcoming his pride, he admitted to his ten year old boy, who could read, to allow the lad to teach him to read....what a story.
Now brother, if you took offense with what I wrote in the regard of religious pride, I apologize, but when you get cemented in what you believe by reading third hand internet discernment ministries, and then disgorge this opinion on a forum, where its refuted, and then fail to backtrack, and say maybe I should I investigate deeper, and I didnt mean to slander or cast doubt on the ministry of another man.
You've never said that, and you've never said that you listened to any message from Michael Brown, yet you continue to provide links from men who have no qualms about slandering this man.
what is that?
Offending you is the last thing I wish to do, but I will call ya when I think your wrong.
I read deception in the church website many times, and I've gleaned very little fruit from it, quite the opposite.
so, there it is.
I prefer to conduct such dialogue in the light of the forum, not on PM, unless of course the discussion is sensitive, and needs discretion.
I say again, in all due respect, you should be circumspect about the implication of slandering a Godly minister, and should have the grace to apologize..
so there it is, I spoke my heart.
bartle
Bartle,
LIKE I said, if they were true moves of God, then praise God. I havent really looked into them all that much.
You've never said that, and you've never said that you listened to any message from Michael Brown, yet you continue to provide links from men who have no qualms about slandering this man
You call it slander, we call it warning the church to be careful.
NOW, having said that, When I tell people to be careful of someone, I am not slandering. When I tell you to be careful of Bush, I am saying be careful of Bush, not slandering him. You need to be careful of who you say is slandering someone, and I say this out of love, so that YOU don't become religiously prideful.
I read deception in the church website many times, and I've gleaned very little fruit from it, quite the opposite.
Well, that is great for you, but I have certainly been blessed, and I know others who have by this ministry, and others like it. They have a real heart for people and not seeing them deceived, but please don't say that, a ministry God has trusted them to, doesn't bare much fruit, Maybe God has called them to it.
I'm drawn to the ministry of Michael Brown, who I might add took the Brownsville school of revival out of Brownsville and made it into the FIRE school. He got out of there.
Actually, he was kicked out of Brownsville, read this link, and this is on sermonindex, From Michael Brown's own handwriting
Link: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=11041
Having said all of that, You said, you can measure if it was a true Revival by the Testimony, Okay, with My wife and her family, my former pastors experience, many trusted websites experiences/witnesses, and even on sermonindex, I would have to put this in the category of false revival.
here are some links on this very website, that document the occcurences on brownsville.
Link: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=11046
Link:
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=11043
Link: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=11043
Link: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=11048
Here is a link to David Wilkerson's Reproach of the Solemn Assembly that I thought would be worth reading as well.
Link: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=11022
That pretty much sums it up. If you got offended by me telling people to be careful of Michael Brown, then I am Sorry, but I will never stop from exposing what is obviously false. I am not saying Mr. Brown is false, but his association with this movement has put questions into my mind about him, Which is, TO BE CAREFUL OF HIM.
I really have nothing else to say on this thread. If you like to continue, them by all means pm me.
praise God, he is still on his throne.
God Bless you in love,
Matt
I probably have no right replying to this since its under a Kanasas forum, but I wanted to reply about statements about the Brownsville Revival. Several years ago in my early 20s I first heard about the Brownsville Revival. I didnt know much about God and at the beginning I didnt like the revival when I first seen the videos.
But then I relealized lives were being changed there. I traveled there a few times, and I have to say my life was changed for the better in a mighty way. I went wanting more of God and for him to move in my life. He came through with flying colors. I felt a presence of God I have never felt, and my mindset was changed to realize how awesome God was and brough me closer to him.
I was a shy person before I encountered God, and before my few trips to the revival back in the late 90s. I am now today a bold person, changed by Gods Spirit and am not the same person I once was. I think when God moves not everything is gonna be perfect, as tremendous warfare follows. All we can do is to pray for Gods guidance and for his spirit to move. Thats all we can realy do. Just thought I would share my opinion. Thank you.
Wow, this was a while back, but I will respond to Yeshuareigns,
I was just going through pensacola journal's newspaper interested in what I can find about the so-called revival at Brownsville. I found an article from the 23rd of October, and what suprised me the most, was not the article, but the comments from the readers posted on the bottom of the page, How depressing, I pray that everyone will pray for this church and all the people that were involved in the movement.
Link: http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006610230327
Here is what one woman said:
"Study History Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:09 am
My husband, daughter and I moved here for Revival in 1996. It was an incredible, life-altering experience. Certainly, the Holy Spirit was moving in a very special way.
I found it interesting Troy Moon stated the duration of Revival 1995-2000. I only wish the church leadership at that time could have accepted that. But, understandibly, no one wanted it to end. That was when things got a bit rocky.
It was during the next couple of years I began asking questions of God. Like, why is there one Bible and countless (25,000) denominations, all believing their branch is God's way? What does it mean to worship and what does worship look like? Why is communion optional?
I was led back to the ancient church. Two books, "The Story of Christian Theology" by R. Olson (a Baptist seminarian) and "Rome Sweet Home", by Dr. Scott Hahn, a former Presbyterian theologian opened up church history before Luther. Aaahhh, the Holy Spirit was active and effective BEFORE the Protestant Reformation!
So, at last, I am home. In the safety of the Catholic Church, the Church that God gave the authority to canonize the Bible that we live by.
I am thankful Brownsville at last has a pastor that seems to want to shepherd and care for its flock. I am sure he will be a shining light to the community.
My prayer for the scattered discontents is they would dig deep and study the whole history of the Church and not stop at Martin Luther!
Posted by: Heidi Grether"
How Depressing, going back to the Catholic Church.
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