Santa: Did You Know?

Santa lives in the North - God lives in the North - Santa is omniscient - God is omniscient -Santa was a carpenter - Jesus was a carpenter - Santa rides in the heavens - God rules in the heavens. Santa says Ho, Ho - God says Ho, Ho Zech.2:6.)

For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.

[b]Ho, ho,[/b] [come forth], and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.

Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest [with] the daughter of Babylon.

For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.

[b]Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.[/b]

Zech 2:5-10

JG - Thanks for the verse reference! This makes me swell with praises to Immanuel (God with us)

OH Glory to His name!!!!!! KDB

And to think that some Christians still cannot see that "father Christmas" or "Santa" isn't Antichrist/Satan is amazing!

JGB321 wrote:
And to think that some Christians still cannot see that "father Christmas" or "Santa" isn't Antichrist/Satan is amazing!

And to think that some Christians are still not perfect, isn't Antichrist/Satan is amazing! :-P

Rudolph is a Germanic name meaning "famed wolf" (wolf in disguise- John 10:12)
Rudolph can fly (Ez.28:14)
In England alone more than 400 churches are named after him
Santa has a white beard (Ancient of Days does too) - Mark 6:3
Santa - rearranged - Satan
Claus - rearranged Lucas is "Lucis" in a new-age - codeword for Lucifer
Santas helpers - elves (occult Encey.of Witches & Witchcraft p.115) say Fairies (Elves) are "fall angels" (not fallen, but the word fall.)

As A Christian I don't believe in coincidence. :-o

Let us all spend our energy glorifying God who sent his Son to us...what amazing grace, what amazing love... His Son who he placed far above all principalities and powers and might and dominion and every name that is named not only in this world but in that which is to come.

Let us spend our energy glorifying Him this Christmas!

I think if Santa is in your heart then that's wrong but I grew up believing in Santa until I got older and of course I knew better, but I have no problem at all letting the little kids continue the tradition. If it's not the secular folks or the ACLU trying to take God out of the schools, it's the Christians trying to make us feel some sort of condemnation over Santa, you know as long as God is in your heart and he is first in your life that is all that matters to me, you know the Man upstairs may be tough but he ain't blind and thank God he see our hearts and thank God he don't see us the way we do.

J.R.R Tolkien talked about elves and white beards and such -he must have been a pagan anti-christ. The logic is there, I don't believe in coincidences.

JGB321,

This is nonsense. You have the wrong place for this sort of thing. Try doing some real research on the origins of Saint Nicholas ...

I know all about St. Nick, so please give me some credit, for this 4th century bishop certainly would not wish to be associated with Santa=Satan.....

As for Tolkien, one would be most wise to read the following article, to avoid further dangerous blunders and errors:

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/lewis/general.htm

JGB321 wrote:
I know all about St. Nick, so please give me some credit, for this 4th century bishop certainly would not wish to be associated with Santa=Satan....

Excuse me dear brother, but how can you put credence into rearranging letters to make "satan"? You can rearrange "dog" to spell "God", what does that mean --- ?

I realize I might get blasted for this, and no, I haven't done extensive research on the origins of St. Nick, but I frankly don't see Santa Claus in competition with Christ. I see him as a manifestation, albeit a fanciful one, of God's goodness. Of course we don't make too much of him at our house, and every night in our worship time we've been studying the real reason for Christmas -- Jesus' incarnation in order to save sinners.

"you guys are going to get coal in your stockings, mom said!"

Funny.

"you guys are going to get coal in your stockings, mom said!"

Santa is a legalist.

"You better watch out, you better not pout.."

No mercy with this guy.

"and man made God (or a deity) in his own image"

Diane

sscott wrote:

I have no problem at all letting the little kids continue the tradition.

So it's ok to lie to your kids?

I know you have never told a lie but I have and will tell many more I am sure, but thank God for the Blood that covers my sins, no I am not perfect yet but I am working on it, see this is exact thing I was talking about it's sad. old satan is not only at work but so is old scrooge. :-)

"you guys are going to get coal in your stockings, mom said!"
Thats funny I Love it!! we need more humor here to break some faces Lol! :-P

sscott wrote:

Everyone has lied before including myself. But I don't lie to my kids anymore. So are you saying the Blood gives you a license to sin? You think God is ok with it?

Do you sin anymore? if you do are you saying the Blood gives you a license to sin? You think God is ok with it? But my guess you don't sin anymore. :-(

This is going no where and I will not be a part of this anymore, I am sorry that I have went this far, anyone that knows me here knows this is not me so I apologize, I will just keep my thoughts about Santa to myself from now on. :-)

Regarding "lying" to your kids. . .

How far do you go with this? If I sit down with my kids and read Pilgrim's Progress or Little Women to them, am I lying to them? After all, the events in those books didn't actually happen.

Santa is a legalist.

"You better watch out, you better not pout.."

No mercy with this guy.

:-P

Indeed, he's making a list even, with two columns separating good people from the bad ones! He probably uses Excel...This way he can check his list twice from the road...even making realtime updates. Say, he's alot like us!

Oh you better watch out!

Edit: Merry Christmas everybody!

MC

It is clear to me it, "Christmas" formaly Saternalia, which by itself should be a reason not to celebrate it, because our GOD (same yesterday, forever) commanded in Deut. not to worship HIM the way pagans did. Any way an omnicient god see's if your good-you get gifts, if your bad-you don't, then you have hundreds in your society thinking that being good is relative, and that can go to heaven cause...they are good. It is a works based merit system that denies the HOLINESS of Christ,we should celebrate GOD as HEchooses, not as we do.

Is it just me, or in the old testament didn't they have tons of feast days... I mean, God isn't against a feast if there's also a fast. We should celebrate God's blessings together with those around us and use the tablet this life has given to do it on...
Charlie Brown has probably converted more people to Jesus than most of us... I hope you don't miss my irony. Charlie Brown wasn't satanic for celebrating Christmas, but he asked the key question, "WHY?"
Instead of sitting here on this forum and talking about all of the pagan roots and coincidences with spelling... why don't we go out and actually tell the story about Jesus. There aren't that many times of the year that people are more open to hearing it, use the door that God's given, even through a 'pagan' holiday.

I dunno who said it but rearranging Santa to make Satan is ridiculous. First because Santa means Holy or Saint...so get on the latin based languages for that...

I am suprised at how ignorant "christians" are. 3rd century idiots in an effort to win pagans in the first seeker sensitive movement, adopted pagan rituals, and observances stuck their version of Christ into them, and called them HOLYdays. So we are all supposed to keep this tradition because its an opportunity to share? PLEASE! if we enjoy a feast that GOD made, with HIS emphasis' in light that Jesus Christ is the fulfilment of them, I believe I could use that as a more accurate witness and greater zeal then running around dressed like Jesus on Halloween. People who hold their sentiments above the fear of GOD are fool's without widom (by definition)

My two cents is that if we were in a right fellowship with God, crucified to self and breathing Christ's purity and holiness and soaked in the word of God, conspiracy theories like this would indeed hold no charm. The reason this Santa stuff is so alluring is because inwardly we have nothing else to grab hold of, to stir the affections. We systematically shun the prayer closet, avoid morning devotions and consequently fill our minds with contentious vanity.

Oh, let us have the mind of Christ, to think on heavenly things, to have an eye to see and ear to hear the tolling of eternity's bells. If we get a grasp on eternity, Santa will fade away, Christmas trees will fade away, the toy-making little elves will fade, reindeer and appointed holidays, solemn feasts and mistletoe will vanish, and the object of all our devotion and affection will be this:

"I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of Days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels like burning fire." (Dan 7:9)

Brother Paul

Edit* - Lest there be confussion, in part, this quote should have been placed at the begining;

I am suprised at how ignorant "christians" are. 3rd century idiots ...

Idiots and ignorance indeed, that you combined them and overlooked your own.

What is needed here is a flat rebuke to careless words, careless talk and the nonsense brought forth in this post in the first place. This is only more fodder for the low level conspiracy minded "Christian" witness that speaks without wisdom, understanding or even any serious research. It is but spewing forth an uneducated opinion over the vast variety of history, good, bad and indifferent.

Of far greater importance is the measure not taken to heart, that which the Lord Himself spoke directly to. This is the very behavior of the Pharisses ... Ignorance?

Go, learn, study if you wish to contribute anything meaningful to this community, this sort of sensationalism, superstition, tabloid-esque notions are far out of place here.

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My two cents is that if we were in a right fellowship with God, crucified to self and breathing Christ's purity and holiness and soaked in the word of God, conspiracy theories like this would indeed hold no charm.

crsschk wrote:
Idiots and ignorance indeed, that you combined them and overlooked your own.

What is needed here is a flat rebuke to careless words, careless talk and the nonsense brought forth in this post in the first place.

You are right and that is why I did not post anymore and even apologized to everyone for my words.

Folks, I vote we keep Santa in. After all, he's just the perfect deity to keep our kids in line: "Johny, you better behave or Santa won't give you any presents! Let's admit, Santa's great for behavior modification. .. the dangling carrot.

... better Santa, than present our God like that (legalism, health/wealth, etc) After all, it's easier to eject Santa from one's mind than a false view of God. Know what I mean?

Diane

I change my mind... I think I've been bad lately... been getting lots of coal chunks.. I've been having troubles posting: most of the time am told I'm makind a "Bad Request" (esp for longer posts).

So, Santa is a great idea only if you've been good. But if you've been bad, he's just a mean, mean, mean old man...

Diane

“Clear a path for YaHWeY in the desolate place, declare correctly the Way of our GOD.” Isaiah 40:3
Deuteronomy 12:29-32
“Be careful to obey all these things I command you, so that you and your children after you may prosper forever, because you will be doing what is good and right in the sight of the LORD your God. When the LORD your God annihilates the nations before you, which you are entering to take possession of, and you drive them out and live in their land, be careful not to be ensnared by their ways after they have been destroyed before you. Do not inquire about their gods, asking, ‘How did these nations worship their gods? I’ll also do the same.’ You must not do the same to the LORD your God...You must be careful to do everything I command you; do not add anything to it or take anything away from it. You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the people who surround you, for The LORD your GOD in the midst of you is a jealous GOD;”

Aaron said refering to the golden calf "this is the GOD that took you out of Egypt."

People put Jesus Christ into Saternalia and say "This is the Birthday of Our LORD. That HE has given us to celebrate to share the "faith" and win the lost."

Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiah) the same yesterday, today, and…forever. (Hebrews 13:8)

Since Baal (GOD of prosperity) was associated with fertile fields, some explanation was needed for the annual die off of winter vegetation in the months before the spring rains. Baal worship echoed a common Ancient Near Eastern motif claiming that Baal died each year and descended into the underworld. When he was brought back to life the spring rains came. This was accompanied with weeping for Tammuz (son of the wife of Nimrod, Semiramis’ supposed virgin birth of the promised “Seed”)( see Ezekiel 8:14 ) for a period of 40 days, prior to the great festival of Ishtar (The Queen or “workmanship of heaven”) mostly the worship of the power of the female form, the appeal of feminity, fertility, and of course sex. People back then were just a little more transparent about their shallow nature. Ishtar was said to have received her son back from the dead; (adopted by Roman church as Lent, and Easter ) ( Jeremiah 7:18, 44:17-25) for it was taught that Tammuz was slain by a wild boar and afterwards brought back to life. To him the egg was sacred, as depicting the mystery of his resurrection, even worshipers of Ishtar jointly embraced the symbol of the egg for fertility. It fit the two forms of worship together, appealing to mankind’s tendency to seek how to worship them-selves in a flattering light. The evergreen was Tamumuz’s chosen symbol (of strength over environment, & the elements, and boasting resourcefulness) and was set up in honor of his birth at the winter solstice, when a boar’s head was eaten in memory of his conflict and a yule-log burned with many mysterious observances. Made eerily obvious by the similarities, these rituals were designed as a very sophisticated counterfeits. These observances are not potential bridges to win the lost, but were designed to subtly diminish the importance, and uniqueness of the finished work of Jesus Christ. It is not always the subject matter that’s the source of deception; surely even pasting The LORD Jesus Christ into these carousals is misrepresentative shifting the emphasis that GOD had prepared HIS feasts, for the benefit of man as they observe them.

I mean really what did Babylon ever do to help mankind? (clear now with 20/20 hindsight) They started religion (capturing men’s souls), they instituted demonically inspired “mysteries” for “good” underlings to get “closer to god,” they separated the worship of GOD as a full time 24/7 life style into a hypocritical observances that separated spiritual life from “the norm”. They set the ways of man up on a pedestal to be worshiped (prosperity, marriage, and children) above the living GOD. True enough these are culturally warm and fuzzy enough to be very attractive highlights to “Good living” that include everything except the reality of our wretchedness, and the only form of love that exists. The LOVE demonstrated on the cross. This disastrous sabotage is easy to see, unless you are blinded by the influence of this dying world’s seduction. Diagnosed easily, being evident with symptoms like believing cults and counterfeits like Mormonism are effectively undermining the church because of resources, and that we must compete on their level to produce “appeal” to draw the lost The LORD Jesus Christ. Or that we have to organize efforts to reach the culture by painting ourselves with the “same color”. Deceived into thinking simply the WORD, and the HOLY Spirit, and GOD’s grace are not enough. We are called out, and commanded to abide in HIM (John 15:4) in completeness, loving as HE loves, as HE unfolds HIS perfect plan to rescue all that would believe on HIM.

How did these abominable observances get “grand fathered” in so securely? The Roman church gained the momentum to change the time that the church observed the Resurrection, which is known to be right after the Jewish Pass-over, under the reasoning that “Christianity” must distance itself from Judaism. But you have to be willingly ignorant to pretend that the spring equinox, and winter solstice is coincidental in reorientation of these seasonal observances. Fact, they were previously established and designated as pagan. As a matter of fact Ishtar was known as Venus, and Tammuz was known as Cupid and worshiped by Romans for centuries previous. (check this out, you can historically draw a “B line” between nearly every false religion and Babylon , including Buddhism with its virgins that gave birth to the “enlightened ones”, Hinduism’s gods, Islam’s moon god Allah, who’s two daughters included Al Uzza who was like Ishtar, was represented as a model of women as sex toys with their virginity being renewed after each act, Zoroastrianism which is the worship of Nimrod, and of course Catholicism.) The things these pagans worshiped, are deeply affecting us, is it coincidence? I believe by compromising for cultures sake , or to appear “sensible” we set an example of disbelief of the spiritual realms influence. To be seeker sensitive mean to be less sensitive to GOD, no fear = NO wisdom. HE is a mighty HOLY AWSOME GOD.

A great example of honoring the LORD by faith verses trying to honor him from your own efforts, is the sacrifices of Cain and Abel. Let us consider Cain and his efforts. First, did Cain receive instructions in how and what to sacrifice, or a prescribed method to be pleasing to the LORD? No, according to the law he just was a tiller of the ground, and it came about the in time Cain bought before the LORD an offering, that even implies he was not compelled, but that his motive was to honor the LORD. Does that in itself define a work of faith? No, not in GOD’s sight [Hebrews 11:4]. As for the sacrifice did Cain work hard to produce the offerings? Yes, the curse was in place that men worked by the sweat of their brow [Gen 3:17-19]. The Law (which is perfect, by the will of GOD) does not bring to light the quality of the sacrifice, so we are free to presume that he brought his best to sacrifice, diverse in fruit, pleasing in Cain’s sight at least (which explains what produced his great wrath, because his best would never be good enough). What was the problem? Surely our GOD who never changes, is not a respecter of persons (Deut. 10:17, II Chro. 19:7, Acts 10:34, Rom. 2:11, Gal. 2:6, Eph.s 6:9, I Peter 1:17) in “having no regard” [Genesis 4:5] for Cain’s offering. Is it detectable by his works in themselves? No, only The Holy Spirit reveals, “his deeds were evil” [I John 3:12], though we are allowed to judge actions, behavior, and the results there of, not the motive or intent in others, it is clearly evident that GOD’s purpose in showing this is to show faith is from HIM, "For all the ways of a man are clean in his own sight, but the LORD weigh the motives.” [Proverbs 16:2]. So we must beware of just what our motives are, that is hard to honestly evaluate in the light of scripture revealing our hearts are wickedly deceitful only the LORD knows then, and HE reveals it “…Who can understand his errors? Cleanse thou me from secret faults...” Psalm 19:7-14. We must determine our motive by how we respond to his WORD. Do we lean toward the liberty to follow GOD’s ways, or the liberty to ignore them? What kind of relationship survives when one party does not learn to enjoy things important to the other? Many people pray “YOUR will be done on earth as it is in heaven” I know we will not be celebrating Christmas, Easter, or Halloween Harvest festivals in heaven. Actually these things will pass away, but HIS WORD will not, and that includes the observances that are made by, centered on, and fulfilled by HIM from before the foundations of the throne. There is one way to worship GOD according to John 4:23 “True worshipers worship in Spirit, and in truth” not Pilate’s lack of knowledge of truth, But “Thy WORD is Truth” (Psalm 199:142, John 17:17) HIS way are higher. We could keep our flavor so easily by staying set apart. Those that are sick of this world are looking for new life, not just a different flavor. World centered appeal draws false converts that hinder the work of the Spirit of GOD. Because there is no faith, and it is impossible to please GOD without that. Works of faith on the other hand are offered in response to GOD’s love, which excludes requirement. Abel’s offering was done in response to GOD’s love. He may or may not have been aware of the association between sin and death, and how GOD’s had killed animals to cover his parent’s nakedness, or how it was related to The LAMB of GOD, and restoration between GOD and man, or that is was a shadow of things to come according to HIS WORD. Regardless GOD worked it out that way, because Abel’s approach made it possible to receive truth in reverence. Only in humility can one take sight of GOD’s boundless love. Where it is completely impossible standing before salvation with any presumption of achievement, because pride associates value in itself beyond grace, or puffed up assertiveness that can cut corners/compromise safely. Time and time again man attempts to approach GOD in such ways, even religiously embracing doctrines of demons that were designed to cut us off from GOD: These are the source of every religion apart from GOD’s Messiah, men approaching with anything apart from, or in addition to HIS righteousness.

Obviously “authorities” believed they could put a stop to the pagan influence by unification. Yet they were too arrogant to seek the LORD’s counsel, which says in II Corinthians 6:14-15 “Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?” Unfortunately there were not any bold believers with enough influence (the new guys that offend everybody without a "gang" to back up usurped authority over GOD's WORD) to point out “If it’s good enough for GOD, we must honor HIM.” Or even simply to point out that before Abraham, or any Jew existed, that GOD had a plan for all mankind, and the shadows were for things to come, things that are eternal. (GOD uses reoccurrences frequently, just like there is only one interpretation for the Bible, yet many applications.) Tradition is hard break in men due to sentimentality, even following those on whom The HOLY Spirit is upon, foolishly as if meek, remain bound. There are those that claim victory in Christ in the midst of Pagan observances by means of providing an alternative, that have had Jesus Christ’s name tagged on. Unfortunately that line of reasoning can lead to all sorts of compromise, and is totally illogical. Would I need to dress as a harlot to share the gospel with prostitutes? Or drink beer to reach drunks? Is that what Paul meant by being all things to all men? Christ will be with us as we evangelize everyday of the year, how much more does HE magnify HIMSELF when HE is truly exalted HIS WAY.

The influence of a Spirit filled herald to object to this perverse compromise, was silenced because Constantine, even though possibly well intentioned, legitimized the church to present it as an authority among the world. A big step down from our real authority from/in Christ which is eternal. The glamorous moment of recognition probably came with the same fan fair, and empty celebration of political campaign. It was as if Satan had sold some pompous fools the title to “the Brooklyn Bridge” flattering their sense of self-importance, locking them into folly. Which resulted in a thinning of the laity (the common active believer), more like evaporation, as the newly found establishment had a worldly appeal, even pride of life potential causing shame to rise to the top like foam. “Leaders” not servants, lording over the faith, subjugating, or eliminating any challenge to position, influence. Nicolaitinism, which Jesus hates. (Revelation 2:6, 15) This effectively marking Satan’s scramble to not be overcome by the church. Retreating a couple of steps to pave a path by adjusting the perception of what the church is, how it finds unity, is unified and submitted to The LORD Christ Jesus, making it possible to work on the inside undercover. Thus the Dark Ages, and “church” history, which was not the church at all, The Greek word for church is ecclesia which means “called out” it’s not a building down the street with “officialized”, “ordainated”, titled and certified clergymen who are always appropriately “representing GOD”. Look at Martin Luther, he had yelling matches with what he said was Satan, could you see him in Bible college? See how much Satan compromised in the reformation in order to not let it all break loose! The “called out” or church refers to living stones that are fit together into a building made without hands, that HE said HE would Build, and dwell in. HE never fails. (1Cor 13). Even if vessels HE uses to contend for the Faith are suppressed, falsely accused, fraudulently maligned, labeled fools, and driven out.

How do a few exercise authority over many as equals? How does each supply for what the Body needs? Who ordains, sanctifies, and owns salvation? Does HE always communicate thru go betweens? (Do a word study of every verse that contains “one another” from Romans on!!!) Sure enough our LORD can call, and ordain men who serve in the court of Babylon, does that mean that Babylon’s government is the ideal situation according to HIS sovereign grace? Those who serve us are to be loved in truth not flattered to seek favor, as a matter of fact that should not be possible in Christ. We are to honor them and find how to serve truly as though we are members of one another, always receiving the service, and offerings of cheerful givers according to the needs of the Body as Jesus Christ supplies, without standing in the seat of the LORD, assessing HIS children without wisdom “The LORD does not see as man sees.” (1Samuel 16:7). Beyond that, Jesus Christ is able to strike men dead, raise up other and be a witness against sin in love and power, certainly if we open up the door that HE is knocking on, HE would be the best to LORD over us, Amen? Judgment is prescribe to come before the congregation, not just a handful in discreet counsel. If we are that scared of the influence of false brethren, we have a bigger problem then rebellious back bitters. Don’t call anyone rabbi or father in this kingdom, (Matthew 23:8,9) The KINGDOM of GOD. The truth about the “reformation” is that it was incomplete, once it became about a man everyone lost focus, no matter who he is (Martin Luther, Charles Spugeon, Chuck Smith ). Celebrating the glory and power should go to The ONE who is alive. The rest of us are either dead in transgression, or dead to this world, HE came to save, a dead, and condemned world, by bringing life. WE HOLD THIS ABOVE COMPRIMISE!

If people called by HIS name would trust HIM not for just the passages that they feel comfortable with, but if they would literally cling tightly to the “…whole intention of GOD…” (Acts 20:27), we might have less of a problem with comprising Biblical truth to conform to this world (Romans 12:2), or being pushed to the letter of the law legalism, or even being successfully accused of it by those who have submitted themselves to the principalities of this fallen world. Accusing those they see as threats, to mask their lack of esteem for godly reverence, implying “Zeal without knowledge” or worse like putting children of GOD out of the synagogue (John 16:2 ) Implying that believer’s prompted by the HOLY Spirit are the source of contention leaving many saints cast out as divisive. There is an accountability that is required of the whole body (Matthew 18:15-17), to prevent any one, or group from make a decision from a hearts that are wickedly deceitful, and subject to deception. Contend means contend. Iron is sharpened by friction, inconvenience is not valid reason to presumptuously “shut someone down.” How is it that typically a few “leaders,” or those that serve those leaders seem to rush to protect everyone from those that occasionally burst out, without honestly assessing just what is being said? Does not GOD sometimes break through the unrighteous suppression through an occasional spectacles? (Prophets like Jeremiah wearing a yoke, and Agabus binding his hands) I must be clear there are appropriate ways to protect the congregation from disorder in certain situations, but why should a handful of men bear that, to the point that they are beyond questioning, lest they be offended at the least, or be indignant at the worst. Look how GOD used the guards fearing the people to protect Peter in Acts 5:27. The church, the real church must learn to function in full balance. Currently unscreened, prophesy is forbidden (without pre-approval) by not making room for it. This is nothing new (under the sun) look at Isaiah 30:9-11.

Who kept order and discipline in the early church, how did everyone submit to it? Did people stay orderly fearing that Paul might kick them out, if he didn’t like what he heard? What if someone was demon possessed, or oppressed, did they call the Romans to take them away, or drive them out? No, they were confident in their authority to drive out the adversary in the Name of Jesus Christ. For that matter why did they stay? Was it because there were pretty girls, and nice guys that weren’t too much of a threat? Career opportunities? Good music? Social club? Welfare safety net? The LORD Jesus Christ and the reality of HIS presence and HIS LOVE displayed as GOD in the flesh being beaten, and killed for the punishment justly due to every person, Acknowledging HIM in heaven but in their midst, citizens of heaven, being seated in heavenly places.

What about new Moons, Sabbaths, assemblies, and appointed feasts? That is great no one can judge us under the law, but the spirit of the law, the law of liberty is given that our love and reverence for Our LORD and GOD Jesus Christ. Because of HIS love, we should respond in our hearts to desire to know HIM more, by walking in the Spirit pursuing HIM with all our heart, all our mind, all our strength. HE promises if we search for HIM with all our heart we will find HIM. (Jeremiah 29:13) Was the moon created for a sign to all men of HIS awesome power and majesty, or appointed only for a Jewish observances? Who is a Jew one inwardly, or outward “Spirit & Truth?” Look at what my GOD says “And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before ME,” says the LORD. “And they shall go forth and look upon the corpses of the men who have transgressed against ME. For their worm does not die, And their fire is not quenched.” (Isaiah 66:22) does that sound to you like these things are trivial to HIM? If we can accept that HE really wants to be more involved in our midst, can we admit HE is not the problem, nor is it that HE is unwilling, but that we are not cooperating? But why is it when the warfare gets heavy and a few fall away, and “sons of unbelief” get a little bolder, even frantic, do we all together cave in, give up, and pretend that their aggression is our fault in some way, or GOD has left us? HIS WORD says that those that give way before the wicked are like a muddy puddle.(proverbs 25:26) Can our LORD Jesus Christ give us strength to bear up under accusation, and lies, and slander without letting it strike, or even touch our hearts? Not only can HE but HE is sufficient to be enough if HE is the only One that stands next to us. As for this mastery over one another, It should not be so, we must love (Agape) one another, hope all things, believe all things in Christ, & not bow to fear in any form.

I think that it is possible that the reason that these observances are not observed or attempted, is if they are hastily, and recklessly pursued in the flesh, that the striking blows come in from both sides, HE is HOLY and in HIS HOLY passionate, and jealous love HE is not passive, week, or mild. HE withdraws from hypocrites, not to avoid them, but that they might have a chance to repent by HIS lovingkindness. Seriously I do not see any problems celebrating the feasts, and festivals that GOD appointed in a way that would appropriately point to Jesus’ fulfillment of them. It would be good for the body of Christ to enjoy what HE likes, not just be filled with our own ways that can never satisfy. Or launch out to do our own schemes as creative forms “evangelism.” I am convinced that The LORD would be able to draw more interest through these “out of this world” observances that express eternal principles. Expressing the reality of GOD and The Truth in a more complete and deeper way. I mean HE established them…Duh! I am also convinced that HE will not mess around with the ungodliness that our corrupted observances allow. I specifically mean extraordinary supernatural discipline, which will magnify the fear of the LORD into a more sober perspective. As well as driving out those that are wolves, goats, and hidden reefs, yet being a safe environment for those who are weary, broken, and contrite. Besides we are all eventually going to be required in the Millennium (Zechariah 14:16) to observe, at least, “The Feast of Booths” that once symbolized for the Jews the forty years in the desert. The feast of Booths was observed by camping outside, and building temporary shelters, and was used to relate GOD’s faithfulness to lead them through a trial. GOD wanted it passed down through the generations through their sons, obviously in a way that the kids would enjoy seeing the LORD’s gentle touch, by making a hard-ship an adventure. I suppose in the new age, we will relate it to living in the flesh. Comparing the corruptible temples, GOD gave us so that we could know and love the glorious person of Jesus Christ who dwelt in our bodies like a tent through this wilderness of Spiritual life. HE said “If any man thirst, let him come to Me. And out of his innermost being shall gush forth torrents of living water.” That is Joy only possible by being indwelt by the Living GOD. But we are not comforted just for our comfort, but to comfort others, all creation groans for the coming of the sons of light, and for the sons of Righteousness to be revealed. The LORD wants us filled with HIM to pour ourselves out, as HE directs and leads us to the work HE chooses. (Isaiah 44:2-5)

To end this consideration, in the WORD I counsel that we all lift this up in prayer expecting to see steps of faith that reveal GOD’s intention to restore, purify, comfort, and build the “church” because it would have to be an act of faith in fear, and trembling to re-establish and observe these worship celebrations correctly, and in light of the cross. Yet stand firm in Christ, not loving our own lives, in the face of ungodly ambition that would fight to keep their fleeting kingdoms in this dying world, that in gentleness and meekness GOD might grant some of them repentance for HIS glory.

"low level conspiracy minded "Christian" witness that speaks without wisdom"

Wow I don't think that statement came from the fear and trembling due to a HOLY, MIGHTY, AWSOME GOD!, not even a "familial reverance" I believe it was a statment that say's "there is no GOD" so peple who fear HIM, and take the BIBLE literally are "low level...Conspiritists" I am ashamed that many avoid conviction by pompuos dismisal in an arogant spirit. But as the WORD states to Samuel, (which applies to you) "They have not rejected you, but they have rejected ME" (1Samuel 8:7)

Greg put you on as a moderator on his website here?

Fearing GOD
Doulosquinn

I am ashamed that many avoid conviction by pompuos dismisal in an arogant spirit.

Which is what this sounds like ...

Besides, you are making assumptions never stated, did you even bother to read the orginal posting?

Charging bulls do not last very long around here.

Greg put you on as a moderator on his website here?

Listen sir,

Not just Greg...the rest of us recognize and respect Mike as a Moderator. As such we don't have much sympathy for someone who is just visiting and accuses our moderators of 'pompous, arrogance...ect."

Before you attempt to talk about the speck in someone's eye you should remove the aircraft carrier from you own.

MC

Instead of personal attacks, facts should be considered, then no one could be interpreted as a "charging bull" I would receive The WORD's of GOD applied in the Spirit of the Law, but I see that their is to much "good ole boy's" here to be a son of The KING with fellowship, I will still stand for the WORD that contains the unchanging promises that give me more hope then being liked by people who forget their first love.

READ the Artical and contest the HIStory, of the facts backed up Biblically if there is question, lay off the high minded put downs please.

Let's start over here ...

You have come into this forum unannounced and with quite a bit of contention for a new member. We have not the foggiest idea of who you are, where you are from, what your background or experience is ... You were sent the disclaimer that gives an overview of the site, have you had a chance to read it?

Think you are jumping to many conclusions here.

I must announce entry into a forum in some formal way? Maybe...bringing homage?

The contention may be directly related to the statement that I responded to. "low minded...etc"

I am a friend of Greg's, actually a friend of Jesus Christ with Greg, from Calvary Chapel Bible College, I wanted to see his site.

I did not desire to be the "jerk" with an attitude, but I risked being maligned because of the weak attempt to dismiss genuine, HIStorical, and Biblical concern for the BODY OF Christ, as "conspiracies" My GOD it sounds like people who have forsaken the fire, and zeal that Jesus the Christ is worthy of, not only forsaken but seeking to dimish anyone with it. Like many Pharasee's that squash a baby believer saying "zeal without knowledge".

YES lets start over, My name is Quinn, I love the LORD, and believe HIS WORD, and I would be glad to answer for the hope I have in HIM.

"Idiots and ignorance indeed, that you combined them and overlooked your own."

"spewing forth an uneducated opinion "

"Go, learn, study if you wish to contribute anything meaningful to this community, this sort of sensationalism, superstition, tabloid-esque notions are far out of place here."

IS THIS NOT POMPOUS??? I would laugh at the seething arogance if I didn't have concern about unity.

I know I am new, and it is never easy to receive a rebuke? We are all foolish at times hating correction, but in sight of our best friend, Father and Savior, I pray maturity would press us to be stretched beyond ourselves into HIS image which "Hopes all things, Believes all things" (At least good intent) 1Cor 13

This subject is serious but oppresively over looked, and dismissed. I would say with a shadow, but without a doubt by the princapality that holds sway over this Christ diminishing counterfeit.

Well Santa I still Love you but not as much as Jesus he's number one, but I don't care what anyone thinks about me Loving Santa once you get that plank out of your eye I will get the speck out of mine, then we can talk about this just You and I and Santa. :-P

I posted a little blurb "listen men" tha crsschk responded to,

why was it pulled?

"If it's not the secular folks or the ACLU trying to take God out of the schools, it's the Christians trying to make us feel some sort of condemnation over Santa, you know as long as God is in your heart and he is first in your life that is all that matters to me, you know the Man upstairs may be tough but he ain't blind."

I understand there is a chance this forum is just a "silly fun time" for you, but hold for a minute to consider how you refer to GOD as a "man upstairs" HE is lovely Awsome, Holy, That deserves honor and respect even when spoken about. I am not trying to put you under some "law" but appealing that you would consider not being flippant about it.

also read the research I posted please.

Quinn

DoulosQuinn wrote:

I understand there is a chance this forum is just a "silly fun time" for you, but hold for a minute to consider how you refer to GOD as a "man upstairs" HE is
Quinn

Your getting a little personal there Brother, I can address "MY" Father in Heaven as I wish as long as he knows who I am talking about this is strictly between me and God, please don't help me with how I address my Father have a wonderful day unless you have other plans. :-P

You just come here as a new person not even knowing some folks here and are pouncing on them like the King himself, you might want to get to know some of us more before your so quick to "Judge"

Brotha, I was sincerely, and very gently sharing my concern which was very personal to me, HE is worthy of reverance, whether I'm new, old or not here with you people beloved of the LORD.

Quinn
besides you are getting to know me, :-) :-) Billy buddy :-)
I am serious but I don't pounce on people

Thanks Amy! Wonderful post and your right.
Merry Christmas To You.

Contend means contend. Iron is sharpened by friction, inconvenience is not valid reason to presumptuously “shut someone down.”

Peace peace then sudden destruction, is what happens when we fail to stand for the WORD.

but “Behold how good & pleasant it is…like the oil…” can only happen as a result of not cowering away from the WORD, so as not to lose those weak in the faith. Instead I dare say we must stand firm in the WORD, and patiently reason with those who have been submitted to false principalities, we are follow HIM in "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;" 2Co 10:5 Do not forget that judgment starts at the house of GOD!

Not just seeing things as a woman might...and say "can't we all just get along" that is deception that sucked Eve, and Adam down in the garden.

Stand firm in HIS might,
The WORD exalted above HIS name.
Quinn

I guess I care only because when I was under darkness HE is the only one that cared about me, so I will seriously champion any of HIS causes as best as I can even if it's just me, and HIM.

Found in Christ,
Quinn

I see you saying the WORD's
"But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."

I agree with the premise, but the application is backwards.That is why we should continue the conversation in the WORD, and not on emotional reactions, which I am forced to point out are statistically drawn out mostly by women that naturally lean that way, because GOD made them so wonderfully. I suppose to submit easier to work with a man as one. But when we are talking about application of the WORD and doctrine, please stand by, don't "feel led to jump in", because passivism is not helpful, but draws away attention from finding unity in the WORD.

The TONE is related to the seriousness of the subject, and we should not lash out (including you miss Amy, when convicted) or pick sides this is not "gang" warfare.

Anybody can read how I responded to Mike, I have re-read it, re-read it, and feel that it was an appropraite response, man to man, it was not emotionally charged or personal. (This is why women should keep silent though)

Beloved sister of the LORD, as men of the WORD we are to come to the truth, whether unbelievers come into the church, or into our house while we are reasoning scripturally, (mis-applied scripture is a (1Timothy 2:14) thing not to mention)
We are not to come before unbelievers for judgement.
I would think other verses would more readily apply for sniping personally at one another, lest we consume one another.

In LOVE, not mans pat on the back kinda love, but Jesus Christ's temple cleansing, pharasee rebuking love.

I hope you'll receive that?

Mr. Quinn,

You are full of pride. It is not your place to come in here and start dictating to other members.

You have not heeded the admonishen to familiarize yourself with the site and wish to preach to everyone here. You have come in with a contentious attitude and are arrogant. This is a warning, either lose the attitude or please find somewhere else to stir up trouble. If you do not like it, feel free to appeal to Greg.

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