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hmmhmm

in another thread i was asking about a study bible, now ive decided to go whit a version Of NASB... or almost decided, id like some input from people who read it,

i know there where a discussion about bible translations that got out of hand recently, thats not what i want i dont want argument, i just want some input on how it is, i own a KJV, i have some other versions on the computer, so i thought id go whit this one, as i understand this version is translated word by word?

what does that meen ? that they got rid of gramatical rules?

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MrBillPro


hmmhmm wrote:
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i know there where a discussion about bible translations that got out of hand recently, thats not what i want i dont want argument, i just want some input on how it is, i own a KJV, .

don't want argument? or for this thread to get out of hand? here is some Godly advise go with that "still small voice" can't be mislead with opinions with that. :-)

God Bless
Mr. Bill

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lovegrace

It's been my experience with NASB that you should:

1. Keep an eye out for the foot notes. When it says 'some early manuscripts....' That's probly referring to the ones that KJV used. So, use the discernment of God.

2. It's not perfect. Some verses are wrong. But yet I think 100 times better than NIV.


So, let the Spirit bring LIFE to the Word, through the NASB brother.

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lovegrace wrote:
It's been my experience with NASB that you should:

1. Keep an eye out for the foot notes. When it says 'some early manuscripts....' That's probly referring to the ones that KJV used. So, use the discernment of God.

2. It's not perfect. Some verses are wrong. But yet I think 100 times better than NIV.


So, let the Spirit bring LIFE to the Word, through the NASB brother.


Compare this verse with the NASB and see what you conclude [pay attention to the margin note]:

Proverbs 22:6 (KJV)
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.


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ginnyrose

I also hate the disputes about Bible translations/versions so I am taking a risk here to voice my opinion...but I love the NASB! This is all I have used for years except when I post on SI!

But do as another poster suggested, listen to that still small voice. Methinks that is the greater problem then exactly what translation one uses...Opps! did I say something controversial? Hope not..again, it is my opinion and I have been blessed using the NASB.

Blessings,
ginnyrose

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I think I am going to get a NASB as well. I have heard good things. Currently, I am working through a workbook written by Paul Washer called "One True God," and in the preface he recommends the NASB.

But don't worry everyone else! I also just bought my first KJV, and am finding that its really not that hard to understand. I kinda like it...

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hmmhmm

well ive heard good and bad things about it, and as long as no one tells you how wong you are reading it this thread should stay civilised and in a christian spirit, i wasent thinking of one whit so many notes, i was thinking of one whit the thompson reference, and as few notes as possible...

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tjservant

It is a very literal translation and brings out some good word studies. I like it for personal study. I got this quote from the web

"...Ultimately, what separates the New American Standard Bible from the various available versions is that the NASB is a literal word-for-word translation from the original languages. In contrast, the others stress either a loose, personalized paraphrase, or a free-style, thought-for-thought translation known as a dynamic equivalent. Both of these place the highest priority on ease of reading and a lower priority on word-for-word preciseness. While such versions may produce smooth English, the literalness of the Word of God is sacrificed. This has never been an option for the New American Standard Bible."

This will cause some of the KJVers to post on this thread and try to keep you from “making an error” and choosing an inferior translation, but rest assured there are just as many people that believe in the NASB just as much as they believe in the KJV. John MacArthur, Ergan Caner, and quite a few others have said they believe the NASB to be the most accurate translation available today, they also acknowledge that none are perfect and free from errors.

I really like the NASB study bible, it has some really good info in it, but not perfect. I also like some of the info in the Archaeological Study Bible (niv). I do not use the NIV for any serious studies, but it has some very interesting historical facts.

I would say that most serious study would come from a reference edition Bible. I wish the Thompson chain was available in NASB. I will get it in KJV.

As for people posting scriptures that are in question, and giving examples of the KVJ being superior, it works both ways. The NASB is a good translation, but I would never completely abandon the KJV.

You will get much good advice from your brothers and sister of SI

God be with you

TJ

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DIEDTOSELF

In personal study when reading other versions I always end up back in the kjv. So my recomendation is to get a parrell Bible that has the nasb sided with the kjv. I heard from some of John Pipers pupils that the esv is good as well although preference the Authorised for sure.

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Here's a place where you can get all translations, place them side by side and compare away --- with references using the NASB as the base. I own it and I would not be with it. I love it. I believe Version 5, the old version what I have, is now free. See for yo0urself. Its the Thompson Chain Reference collection, the best in my estimation. Very flexibility. I'll state that one would have to pay 500-600US for an equal to it.

http://www.wordsearchbible.com/freewordsearch3.htm

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tjservant wrote:
I would say that most serious study would come from a reference edition Bible. I wish the Thompson chain was available in NASB. I will get it in KJV.

Thomspson is available in the NASB.

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repentcanada

"NASB....that's the Greek word for nasty", Leonard Ravenhill.

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euangelion

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tjservant wrote:
I would say that most serious study would come from a reference edition Bible. I wish the Thompson chain was available in NASB. I will get it in KJV.

Thomspson is available in the NASB.

Ormly's correct but I don't think it's the Updated edition. At least mine is not.

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tjservant


"NASB....that's the Greek word for nasty", Leonard Ravenhill.

That would be a powerful rebuke...had it come from the Apostle Paul. Coming from Ravenhill it makes me smile…I sure can hear him saying that.

I mean no disrespect to the late Mr. Ravenhill. Please do not read that into my comment.


TJ

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euangelion wrote:
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tjservant wrote:
I would say that most serious study would come from a reference edition Bible. I wish the Thompson chain was available in NASB. I will get it in KJV.

Thomspson is available in the NASB.

Ormly's correct but I don't think it's the Updated edition. At least mine is not.

I believe I stated that it was the older version they are offering free, wanting you to get it so they then get you to update to version 7, which is also great. i have used them both. 50 bucks, and worth it. I paid 37US for version 5. I love it. Can't be beat for any price.

Oops! I see you are refering to the hard copy NAS Bible. Sorry 'bout that. The CD, both versions, I speak of has both NASB and NASB-U. All the Thompson references use the NASB. You can search for a word and be amazed where it is located in the scriptures never imagining where they got the references. Even in harmony with other translations the verses will be pulled up as well though the word not be used within them; even verses with the implied idea, will be accessed.

Did I mention that is a whole library of books included?

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Jacob19

"NASB....that's the Greek word for nasty", Leonard Ravenhill.

That's so funny I was totally about to write that, until I saw you did! Someone should compile some of Ravenhill's Bible Translation jokes like :
" I use the living bible...The King James!"
or
" I am going to read a text from the NIV, wait a minute... thats the Never ImproVed, King James"

ha ha I love Ravenhill...

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SeanHobson

"NASB....that's the Greek word for nasty", Leonard Ravenhill.

:)

That "I use the living bible.....the king james" made me chuckle first time I heard it also.

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KingJimmy


i know there where a discussion about bible translations that got out of hand recently, thats not what i want i dont want argument, i just want some input on how it is, i own a KJV, i have some other versions on the computer, so i thought id go whit this one, as i understand this version is translated word by word?

what does that meen ? that they got rid of gramatical rules?

I personally use the NASB. I've used it for several years now, and have come to really cherish it. By in large, I have found it to be the best Bible to study from. And based on my knowledge of Greek, in the places I have compared it with, it seems to painstakingly try to be as "word-for-word" as possible. My pastor who has a much better handle of Greek than myself personally attests to the same thing.

What is meant by "word-for-word" translation is that the translators attempt to be as plain and as possible in their translation. In other words, they don't do a lot to "help" the reader out, by giving modern "dynamic equivalents" for various idiomatic phrases from antiquity.

Also in the NASB translation, they try to retain as much as possible the various Greek tenses in their translation to English. This is by no means a simple task, and isn't always possible. For this, the NASB translation loses a little fluidity in reading, and isn't as smooth and polished as other translations. Many would say it's not a very good "devotional" Bible as a result. But such is a rather vain sense of "devotion" in my opinion. For true devotion consists in worshiping God in spirit and truth. It is a manner of life, not of poetry.

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hmmhmm

well its orderd now :) The Thompson chain reference Bible, im looking forward to it, but as A W Tozer said

While it is important that the translations be accurate and faithful, yet better versions do not make better men.

and he also said

Sometime he'll have to face up to the meaning of things, no matter in what version they are expressed. As I write I can see fifteen versions before me without turning my head and there are many more stashed about here and there. And they all say the same thing to me; namely, that I must trust Christ Jesus the Lord as my Saviour, love God with all my heart, soul and mind, and my neighbour as myself. They all say that I must be holy, humble, obedient, prayerful, pure, kindly, courageous and faithful. They all say that God is my Father and the Holy Spirit the inhabitant of my nature through the mystery of the new birth. And they all end with the cry for Christ's returning. I really don't need any more new versions, but I'll probably buy the next one that comes out.

so i pray this "new version" will by the Holy Spirit make me get to know God more, and bless my soul that thirst after him and his word

thank you all who helped me in this matter
God bless you no matter what version you read ;)

Christian

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It's a beautiful day outside...!

Krispy

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tjservant


KrispyKrittr wrote:
It's a beautiful day outside...!
Krispy

Yes it is. :-)

TJ

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hmmhmm

hmmmm strange... my order got cancelled..... maybe i should go whit the KJV instead?

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hmmhmm wrote:
hmmmm strange... my order got cancelled..... maybe i should go whit the KJV instead?

Where/Who are you buying from? They may not ship to Sweden.

Go here: CBD.COM

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Santana

It's a beautiful day outside...!

I don't know where you live brother but it's freezing where I live...and gloomy....and I hear the NASB is the best version to get around if you don't want KJV.

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lovegrace


Ormly wrote:
Compare this verse with the NASB and see what you conclude [pay attention to the margin note]:

Proverbs 22:6 (KJV)
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

My NASB says that. I don't see a problem. What are you 'hinting' at?

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Proverbs 22:6 (NASB-U)
*Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.

In my margin says this that I find no where else:

NASB-U
*Lit according to his way

What is your perspective given that interpretation?

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BeYeDoers

I believe what Ormly is getting at is the footnote in NASB says "according to his way" which sounds like it's promoting that you should let your kid do what he wants. This is NOT what is going on here. If it was, they would have GIVEN the literal, not put it in a footnote. Further, we must keep in mind that the footnote is not explaining the verse but what the Hebrew words said. The translators OBVIOUSLY didn't like how "according to his way" sounded, so they used a dynamic equivalent here and noted that fact. My guess (since I don't know Hebrew) is that "according" doesn't exactly translate into English well, so the KJV and NASB chose "in the way he should go", the only difference is that the NASB tells you what they did.

That said, it could still be argued that people will use that footnote to wrongly interpret this passage, whereas if you only used the KJV there would be no confusion. Of course an NASB defender can point out the ways in which the old english and mistranslations in the KJV is misused all the time to come up with false beliefs, and we can go around and around on that again :-D

My opinion, based upon hours of personal research and a fairly small understanding of Greek, is that the KJV is based on a superior [i]family[/i] of manuscripts (not necessarily the particular subset that was used for the TR) than "modern" translations. Further, the KJV remarkably consistent in the way it translates scripture compared to newer versions. Now, I also own and use a NASB at times to compare to KJV when the English is a little funny for me (please note I'm NOT calling it hard to read...it's not). When there's an apparent discrepancy, I go to Lexicons for OT (since I have no idea how to read Hebrew) and the Wescott-Hort NT vs. Robinson-Pierpont NT vs. Textus Receptus (both Erasmus and Scrivener versions) to discern the most likely meaning of the verse. The NASB is a very good translation from the manuscripts they use, and like the KJV is very consistent. As far as the ESV, it's based on the same manuscripts but is not as literal as NASB, so why use it? I will not touch the NIV, and will try to steer people away from it. Just look at a NASB-NIV-Greek interlinear and go through some of Paul's epistles. I've heard NIV defenders discuss the validity of the dynamic equivalent translation principles, and I don't buy it. But one thing they can't defend is the incredible inconsistency in which they translate Greek words.

Well, that came out lengthier and wordier than I wanted, but I hope somebody gets something out of it :-D

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Thanks Be!

I believe the verse could be written this way based on what I believe the margin to infer:

"Bring up a child, with no direction given him for life, when he is old he will not be able to receive any."

I believe actual experience of raising children has proven to be what I believe the verse to mean. I believe our society testifies to that to be the truth. Exceptions excluded.

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Koheleth

This is a great derived truth, but the phrase "according to his way" is still a translation from the Hebrew, no matter how "literal". The reason the KJV and NASB translations of this verse succeed is that when a Hebrew speaking person heard these words, the meaning that immediately registered in their brain was "in the way he should go". You can check this out in other Proverbs and other wisdom literature in the Bible. "According to his way" is just the Hebrew idiom indicating that "his way" is "the way that [should be] his", hence "the way he should go". So the standard English translations capture the meaning quite well. Even English Bibles used by Jews translate the verse this way.

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Koheleth wrote:
This is a great derived truth, but the phrase "according to his way" is still a translation from the Hebrew, no matter how "literal". The reason the KJV and NASB translations of this verse succeed is that when a Hebrew speaking person heard these words, the meaning that immediately registered in their brain was "in the way he should go". You can check this out in other Proverbs and other wisdom literature in the Bible. "According to his way", is just the Hebrew idiom indicating that "his way" is "the way that [should be] his", hence "the way he should go". So the standard English translations capture the meaning quite well. Even English Bibles used by Jews translate the verse this way.

But by implication it is still the same meaning, regardless of translation. "According to his way", "the way HE [child] [thinks] He should go", "the way that [should be] his", all say the same thing, i.e., don't instruct the child.. So it is opinion of what is being stated to support the only definition we have lived with for so many years that now demands our attention be drawn to what it is really being said.

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BeYeDoers

I don't think so, Orm. This is verse is telling you TO instruct the child in the ways of righteousness. This verse would make no sense with the rest of scripture if it means what you say. Not instructing a child and letting them go their own way will leave him rebellious and damned, as is our nature from the womb.

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BeYeDoers wrote:
I don't think so, Orm. This is verse is telling you TO instruct the child in the ways of righteousness. This verse would make no sense with the rest of scripture if it means what you say. Not instructing a child and letting them go their own way will leave him rebellious and damned, as is our nature from the womb.

But that is exactly the point of the understanding of the verse that is to be recognized. In other words, give your child instruction while it is able to receive it.
If you don't, there will come a time when it won't be able to because of his undisciplined disposition. Don't give direction for living now and it won't be able receive any later.

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Smokey

I have to agree with Krispy on this. Lovely day here to.

Blessings Greg

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vico


repentcanada wrote:
"NASB....that's the Greek word for nasty", Leonard Ravenhill.

I just read that, lol :lol: thats great :lol:

btw, it's beautiful here to. the Son is shining...

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philologos

The expositor Campbell Morgan used to use this verse in a particular way. Here is a quote from a little book of his called "The Bible and the Child", he writes...[color=0000ff]We now pass to something of vital importance in the text. As we have it in our Bibles, a phrase read, “In the way he should go.” In the Hebrew there is no such verb as “to go.” There is nothing at all about going. There is one little word which in English may be written ‘peh’, which means, according to. Therefore the statement is, “Train up a child according to his way.” We may definitely say then that it means that it is our business to see the child has his or her own way. Such a statement I can quite understand will cause almost a shock. Let us however pause a moment. What do we mean by the child’s own way? If we are thinking of the word “way” as synonymous with wish, or desire, we are entirely wrong. A child’s wish or desire may be influenced in a hundred ways at any given moment, and may run counter to the highest interests of the child. The truth realised is this that in every child there is a way, or in other words, in every child there is some capacity, potentiality, possibility, peculiar to itself; and if we are to train the child, we must know that, somehow discover it in order to lead it out in fulfillment. [/color]The point he is making here is that 'the way' is not something imposed from outside but is part of the inherent character and potential of the child, which is to be encouraged and released by the particular way in which we 'train' [b]that[/b] child.

I like the idea but the intrinsic idea of the Hebrew word 'chanak' is 'to narrow'. It is used elsewhere in the OT such as[color=0000ff]Deut. 20:5 ¶ “Then the officers shall speak to the people, saying: ‘What man is there who has built a new house and has not [b]dedicated[/b] it? Let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle and another man [b]dedicate[/b] it.

1Kings 8:63 And Solomon offered a sacrifice of peace offerings, which he offered to the LORD, twenty-two thousand bulls and one hundred and twenty thousand sheep. So the king and all the children of Israel [b]dedicated[/b] the house of the LORD.

2Chr. 7:5 King Solomon offered a sacrifice of twenty-two thousand bulls and one hundred and twenty thousand sheep. So the king and all the people [b]dedicated[/b] the house of God.

Prov. 22:6 [b]Train up[/b] a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it. [/color]The impression I get from the word is of a restriction of use, it is linked to the word for 'strangle'!!

Perhaps we can still add Campbell Morgan's insights. I think I like Darby's translation the most...[color=0000ff]“Train up the child according to the tenor of his way, and when he is old he will not depart from it.”(Prov 22:6 DRBY)[/color]This restores the idea that there is no standard prescription for a child but it lays an extra level of responsibility on the parents to 'know' their child to 'shape' him in a way which fulfils God's purpose for his life rather than hedging him in with lots of rules and regulations.

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