Kent Hovind Sentenced 10 Years

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PaulWest Jan 22, 2007

Kent Hovind was given a 10 year prison sentence last Friday for refusal to pay taxes. This is so sad. This brother is gifted with incredible intellect and oratory skill and has reached thousands with the true gospel message. Alas, if it's not sex, it's money. This is a great shame, and should be a dire warning to us all to protect and guard against covetous thoughts. What is money, anyway, but globs of molecules and atoms?

This is the article from the Pensalcola newspaper of his home city:

~~[url=http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070120/NEWS01/701200319/1006]~~Kent Hovind - Pensalcola News[/url]

Greg has some of his creation lectures in the sermon archives.

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SeanHobson Jan 22, 2007

Very sad indeed. This is not only a serious blemish on young earth creationists(for he was the most popular speaker) but Christian science as a whole. Let us pray for this brother that through repentance he might be used in his situation(though somewhat fallen), to start maybe a prision ministry and share the gospel there.

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fromtheold Jan 23, 2007

Aah that sucks. What a loss.

That is sad. :-(

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fromtheold Jan 23, 2007

Pray for him.

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hmmhmm Jan 23, 2007

prayer is good, but in my bible great things happend after people was thrown in jail, or shortley after... so i pray this will be to the glory of God, i pray for his family to recive the strenght to dr hovind shall be a missionary to those inside those walls if thats where it pleases the Lord to keep him, may God use his life or death, freedom or imprisoned for the glory of God

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MikeH Jan 23, 2007

I noticed he has been referred to earlier on SI. There is an article on him on Wikipedia - ~~[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_hovind]~~Kent Hovind[/url]. This does not show a pretty picture, and there seem to be a lot of unresolved issues going back over many years. The Wiki page does not have anyone arguing that it does not show a neutral point of view. I don't know anything else about the guy, but is he someone we should be commending?

Mike

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taco Jan 23, 2007

One of the most arrogant speakers I have ever seen (from a christian perspective that is).

I am sorry for him and feel his jail sentance was excessive.

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PaulWest Jan 23, 2007

Just for the record, I didn't post this to evoke gossip or pettiness on behalf of Dr. Hovind. I admire and respect him, and have seen most of his DVD's on creation. I've also watched a few of his publicized debates. That Wikipedia article is totally biased (I think most are, even if they don't put the disclaimer out) and was created with the already tainted mindset that pervades so many of the anti-Hovind websites. You need to understand that Dr. Hovind is an object of perfect hatred. He stands up in the devil's institutions and systematically demolishes the blind spokesmen and propagators of our humanistic, godless education system. If anyone ~~[i]~~dares[/i] do this, he or she will be likewise castigated and slandered. I'm not saying Hovind did all things well, or was led by the Spirit concerning this "tax" thing, but his steep 10 year sentencing is no mere coincidence. People have served less time for far greater crimes in this country. Not only was he humiliating Satan's brainwashed elite, he was spreading the gospel of grace preceded by the law ~~[i]~~right in the midst of the system![/i] This is almost the antithesis of what has happened in the church - the enemy freely moving about without restraint. Hell was getting a taste of its own medicine, so to speak. Since the children of darkness are wiser than the children of light, they found away to shut the light down. It's a deplorable thing when we can't shut down darkness in the church as easily as light is shut down in the dark. We have only ourselves to blame for this. I believe the enemy saw a weakness with the money issue, took the ball and ran a touchdown. Some of us make it too easy.

Any contributing thoughts?

Brother Paul

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sermonindex Jan 23, 2007

This is not only a serious blemish on young earth creationists(for he was the most popular speaker) but Christian science as a whole.

Why? Either Creation Science can stand on it's own, or it cant. It has nothing to do with this man. Thats like saying your High School Biology teacher gets arrested for DWI... and so your respose is to question whether or not Biology is true!

I know a lot of people have issues with the IRS, and some believe income tax is unconstitutional, so they deliberatly refuse to pay them. If this man wanted to campaign against the IRS, I believe as a Christian he went about it the wrong way. But lets all remember that America as a nation seperated from Great Britain began when our forefathers refused to pay taxes. Remember the Boston Tea Party? So before we hammer this man, lets keep this in mind.

Here are some quotes from Thomas Jefferson:

~~[i]~~"Whenever our affairs go obviously wrong, the good sense of the people will interpose and set them to rights." --Thomas Jefferson to David Humphreys, 1789. ME 7:322

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere." --Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1787.

"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315 [/i]

Perhaps this man's resistance to the IRS was misdirected, or he went about it the wrong way... I cant judge that accurately. But I dont think that his going to jail because he took a stand for something is necessarily wrong. If he LIED to the IRS (which it appears they did) then that another issue.

And that leads us back to the subject at hand... his going to jail does not take away from scientific evidence.

Jim Bakker going to jail didnt mean that Christ ceased to exist. And people who want to use Bakker as an excuse not to believe are fools.

Krispy

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BeYeDoers Jan 23, 2007

Bro. Paul, amen. And I don't believe for a second this was about the money for him. If you pay attention to what he teaches, you will get an idea of his utter conviction that our government and tax system is completely unscriptural. Whether it is or not I don't know, but sure was/is absolutely convinced, and acted as such. Now, am I agreeing with how he handled it? No. I would have just paid my taxes (and do) because I believe there is biblical precedent for doing as such regardless of how wrong I feel the system is (and I do think income and social security taxes are wrongfor several reasons, but that's beside the point). Todd Friel of Way of the Master Radio knew Dr. Hovind and testified to the fact that this was NOT about the money. According to him, Dr. Hovind and his wife could barely keep up with bills and buy clothes they pumped so much money into ministry. So please brethren and sistren, let's not join the smear campains the way we tend to do whenever a "prominent evangelical" screws up and it hits national news. Oftentimes criticism is warranted (especially in the last couple of years with all the sexual perversion and debauchery), but each case must be looked at individually, carefully, not in haste, comparing with scripture in much grace.

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BeYeDoers Jan 23, 2007

Just read Krispy's reply, and Amen to that too!

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PaulWest Jan 23, 2007

Yes, this isn't about money as far as the world is concerned. The money is just a smokescreen hiding a more deep and underlying charge - the publicized exposure of the lie of evolution. You really have no idea how deadly this is until you try to challenge it in a way that allows Jesus Christ to be magnified. This is more dangerous than armed robbery, rape, child porn. This holds eternal consequences and threatens the very bedrock of a deceptive brainwashing mill Satan has been carefully building in the past 100 or so years. Hell sees what Hovind is doing the same way an earthly judge would regard a man who tried to blow up a federal courthouse. If you read the pre trial charges, you would see that Hovind was orginally facing up to 288 years. ~~[i]~~288 years![/i] That's just ridiculous, and an obvious giveaway that there are unseen principalities at play.

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iansmith Jan 23, 2007

Everyone keeps saying 'give unti caesar.'
You know, I just read that in one day he withdrew 75,000$, half in cash.

I work for a Christian organization that's a member of ECFA. This certainly isn't something you see an average Christian organization memeber doing, even one with $50,000,000 or greater worth or revenue.

The verse that came to my mind and heart was altogether different. 'The love of money is the root of all evil.'

This is just as bad as the whole Ted Hargard situation, except that this one was even more out in the open.

I can't imagine that people around him didn't notice the kind of money that he had and was using, maybe he just spent time around prosperity gospel people, because having $37,500 in cash Just isn't an every day thing around here.

Maybe he was planning on making a cash downpayment on a car or a plane or something... I don't know, but I fear that the reason that he avoided taxes was not as a protest, but because of greed! His heart has a second master, and this is one of the most common sins in the church!

We should preach as strongly against this kind of sin as we do against homosexuality!

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DoulosQuinn Jan 24, 2007

GIVE ME A BREAK!!! brother before the ECFA my brother and sisters in the faith have been accoutable to GOD for centuries, if the withdraw a million dollars that they are stewards over whether you approve or not.

I would still donate a $100 to his ministry even after hearing that, because he is welding the sword in such a way the great KING is honored.

& by the way I would pay ministry servants like missionaries too.

I think you need to mature a little before you assume to imply wrong doing on your elders bro

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iansmith Jan 24, 2007

Good fruit doesn't grow on thistles... and similarly, good stewards of the money provided by God don't avoid taxes, knowingly.

Sure there's give unto Caeser what is Caesers, but this goes beyond that -there is only one legitimate reason one would knowingly avoid paying taxes, and that is to keep the money for one's self.

No matter how desperate a ministry is, it doesn't need to break the rules to be used by Gods. What this man did was no better than STEALING from the government.

This wasn't just a one time occurance, the 40 plus charges leveled against both him and his wife independently show an ongoing and brazen history of thievery.

If this was a sexual sin, if he was sleeping with other men fourty times, or children for that matter, we'd be screaming for him to be thrown out of the ministry.

I really don't understand how we can even find ground to defend this act. There is nothing noble in stealing from the government, we're not in the days of robin hood alright. Sure some of those tax dollars could have been going to fund the Iraq war, but others could have been going to put body armor on our troops, and school lunches for underprivilaged children in the inner city.

Honestly, I'd rather see all our children fed than a 'Creationist' science taught in our public schools. (I am aware of the flack I will take for this comment).

First and formost we need to get greed and dishonesty out of the church, it is a blight on the bride of Christ. ~~[b]~~Jesus isn't going to come for a bride with crooked teeth, he certainly isn't coming for a church with crooked ministers![/b]

And as soon as we rid ourselves of these greedy money makers and thieves, we should put ourself to the task of feeding the hungry and clothing the naked.

As soon as we have sufficiently taken care of the clearcut ministries of the church, then we can squable about public school curriculum.

In the meantime you can send your children to a Christian school if you insist on them learning about creationism!

As for ECFA, the reason we even need a accountability organization is because there is rampant corruption among Christian ministries and organizations. We wouldn't need it if a good share of the ministries out there weren't acting like ananias and saphira.

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sermonindex Jan 24, 2007

I never heard of Mister Hovind until this thread.

Before I was saved, I was hard libertarian right, my saying was that "tax was theft".

When I got saved, and read thru the Bible, once, twice, put myself under the mentorship of a God-fearing, Spirit-filled pastor, my attitude about taxes and the government and authorities changed dramatically, as well as supporting the Church, whether that be the local expression of the Church, the local assembly one attends in a building, or supporting missionaries and ministries that preach the Gospel with my resource and provision.

I was also taught by Scripture, by the Holy Spirit, by elders, that we obey the laws, that we be above reproach, be in submission to authority. In essence, what I'm trying to say, trying to ask, that we dont assume the mantle of tax protestor, or that we don't sell weapons that have been jimmy rigged to fire automatic (David Koresh comes to mind) We lead peaceful righteous lives, isnt that what we are called to do?

I ask you Paul, because correct me if I'm wrong, arent you a pastor, or at the very least an elder? If so, would your mentoring over me, be to give me such advice?

and Krispy Steve, I assume you are one of the elders, if not the nominal leader of a home church? in NC, right? If I was part of your assembly, and you are the elder, do you know what I would do, every meeting? I would bring a King James Bible into that meeting, even though I personally study out of an NIV study Bible, because I would be placing myself under submission to your leadership, and would not want to cause dissent within the local Body, or to defy your leadership.

Isnt that what we are called to do?

Isnt that wisdom and hierachy given from God?

to be in submission to authorities both within the Church and the governing authorities in the land?

Heres where I come to my dilema: what if the governing authorities say that it's legal to "own", to keep as property, another human being?

or, what if the governing authorities tell you to slaughter innocent non-combatants because they are Jewish?

what then?

here's the answer, in my humble opinion:

taxes involve money.

people cannot be "property"

genocide is murder.

Maybe Hovind's got a Romans 8:28 situation facing him, God willing there's inmates in jail that will now hear the Gospel from a broken man, who knows?

God does.

Thank you brothers, and may God bless you both, neil

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sermonindex Jan 24, 2007

according to the wikipedia entry (yes I know Paul..Im just referencing it) the person who "dropped a dime" on Hovind, as they say on the street was

Hovind was originally reported to the IRS by Pensacola Christian College senior vice president Rebekah Horton in the mid 1990s, after she learned of Hovind's anti-tax stand. "'We know the Scriptures do not promote (tax evasion),'" Horton said in testimony against Hovind during his 2006 trial, "'It's against Scripture teaching'.... Horton believed it was the college's duty to report the misleading doctrine. 'I didn't want to see innocent people get led astray,' she said. Pensacola Christian College then decided its students no longer were permitted to work with Creation Science Evangelism".[31]

searching further, I looked up Pensacola Christian College, and found this article form Christianity Today:

College Pays Millions in Taxes
October 28, 1996

Facing public ire after the Florida legislature passed a bill forgiving $3.5 million in back taxes, Pensacola Christian College (PCC) has paid the money it technically no longer owed.

In January, the IRS ruled that the college's publishing arm was liable for taxes as a profit-making entity. A Beka Books, the country's largest publisher of Christian textbooks, is responsible for about 60 percent of the college's income.

Billed for back taxes, the college paid the initial federal tab, estimated at $44.5 million, but sought a waiver on Florida's corporate tax. When the tax-break legislation went into effect, Gov. Lawton Chiles received hundreds of letters contending the school was receiving a state subsidy.

In an advertisement in the Pensacola News Journal, PCC president and founder Arlin Horton said the school has borrowed money to pay back the taxes to "remove any question as to our Christian responsibility in the matter of back taxes."

Joel Mullenix, PCC's vice president for public affairs, says the money was paid "because it appeared some people were going to be offended, and we do not want to be an offense."

The 22-year-old college halted several construction projects as a result of the unexpected bills, Mullenix says.

Last Updated: October 10, 1996

so it all came down from those within OTHER christian organizations and businesss.

I guess that what happens when you take your eyes off Jesus.

very disheartening.

neil

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MikeH Jan 24, 2007

PaulWest wrote:
If you read the pre trial charges, you would see that Hovind was orginally facing up to 288 years. ~~[i]~~288 years![/i] That's just ridiculous, and an obvious giveaway that there are unseen principalities at play.

You don't understand your own legal system, if you think that is ridiculous. The prosecutor was only doing their job. They were threatening the accused with the biggest possible punishment hoping that they will come to their senses and negotiate. If Kent had pleaded quilty with a good attorney, he would have probably have negotiated 2 years probabtion and a payment of only one quarter of the amount (I am no attorney, so I am only guessing). 10 years and the fines and restitution was probably what the prosecutor had in mind all along, if Kent didn't cooperate.

Do you think the government wants tax payers in prison, especially one's making as much money as Kent? Of course not, if they go to prison the government has to pay to look after them. If they are out earning money, they can continue to pay taxes to the government. A win-win, if the tax payer cooperates!

I think you are mixing up two different things. Kent refused to pay taxes, he is going to prison for that. If he had paid taxes like everyone else has to (and we seem to have clear scriptural evidence to support doing so), he would be free today to continue his ministry. Whatever, one thinks of his ministry, he has only himself to blame for not being able to continue it, today!!

Can't we call sin sin, and not muddy the situation, by claiming the man's message was more important than his behaviour? There are too many people in history that have claimed the same and used it as an excuse to cover a many, many terrible sins.

Mike

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sermonindex Jan 24, 2007

I fear that the reason that he avoided taxes was not as a protest, but because of greed! His heart has a second master, and this is one of the most common sins in the church!

Hold on... all we have to go on from our limited view is what this man has said. Everything else is speculation. No one can sit here on this forum and make statements like this. You admit that you dont know why he withdrew that money, and then in the very next statement you say it was out of greed.

That in itself is sinful.

As for those who said that no Christian would knowingly avoid paying taxes... what do you have to say about our own founding fathers here in America? They refused to pay taxes to Great Britain... and started an all out rebellion and a war. And if that hadnt happened, you would not have the rights that give you the priveledge to say pretty much what you want on this forum.

If you've studied anything about the American Revolution you would understand that God had His hand on the whole thing. Many miraculous things happened during that war that showed God's involvement and His will.

... and it all started with men who avoided paying taxes... breaking the laws... and many of those men lived godly lives that would put many of us to shame.

The War Against Northern Aggression (known as the "Civil" War to you yankees) did not start over slavery. It started over taxes and tariffs.

Now, I'm not in any way giving my approval on what this man did. I dont know all the facts (and neither does anyone else on this forum). But before everyone starts to pontificate, we should consider that none of us really knows this man's heart and motivation. None of us.

I know some folks who dont pay their taxes as they should, and I know they do it out of conviction that income tax is unconstitutional. On some points, I agree with them! ~~[b]~~BUT[/b] I pay my taxes. You wanna know what my motivation is? It's not to be holy (just being honest)... it's because I'm not willing to go to jail over the issue. Brand me a wimp. I'll go to jail for for my faith, no problem. But I wont go to jail over money.

You have to pick your battles.

Krispy

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PaulWest Jan 24, 2007

Mike and Bartle,

I don't think you understand me. I'm not condoning Hovind. He broke the law, he refused to pay taxes, he should go to jail. He is in rebellion to scripture. I have no idea how my posts were miscontrued other than you not thoughtfully reading them. This happens so much in these forums. I myself am guilty of the same. What is it about man that he is so impetuous to jump ship and thrust a personal response. I say again: Kent Hovind should be in jail for failure to pay federal taxes. All I was alluding to was that taxes alone may not be the ~~[i]~~only[/i]factor influencing the sentencing. Willie Nelson owed much more, I believe, and I know he was allowed to give a charity concert back in the 80's to make ammends.

I say yet again: Kent Hovind deserves jail time, and I would not counsel a Christian to avoid paying taxes. On the contrary - a rebuke would be in order, and if persisted, exclusion from the fellowship and delivery unto Satan for chastisement.

I hope this clears the air!

Much love and respect in Christ Jesus,

Brother Paul

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sermonindex Jan 24, 2007

I agree with Paul... partially. Hovind broke the law, and even if he is doing it under protest of some type, breaking the law results in punishment. Just as if reading the Bible was against the law, if I was caught reading it I would expect to go to jail.

However, here is where I would seperate myself from Paul's opinions... we are only commanded by scripture to obey the laws of men so far as they do not obligate us to break God's Law. If preaching against homosexuality becomes illegal in the US, then I would indeed counsel pastors to break the law.

There are those with strong convictions about our tax system. I wont sit in judgement over how they proceed to protest it... but they should also realise that jail could be the sacrifice they make.

Last Monday was MLK Day... where would this country be today if it wasnt for MLK's civil disobedience 40 years ago? The law of the land in the south was mostly corrupt and racist. They stood up against that law. Many went to jail, many lost their lives. Do I agree with everything the civil rights movement did? Absolutely not... but many within it had pure motives and didnt impliment violence.

There is a time for ignoring the "law".

Like I said tho... we need to pick our battles wisely.

Krispy

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MikeH Jan 24, 2007

Thanks for clarifying things, and I am sorry for misunderstanding you.

Paul West wrote

Willie Nelson owed much more, I believe, and I know he was allowed to give a charity concert back in the 80's to make ammends.

I guess it's the making amends that made the difference. The impression I get is that the IRS were willing to sort this out, but Kent wouldn't play ball. The scripture stands, that they bear the sword not in vain:

Romans 13:3-4 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; ~~[b]~~for he beareth not the sword in vain:[/b] for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

It just seems so sad, that this need not have happened.

Mike

PS As for KrispyKrittr, we got rid of all the colonies over time, starting with the most troublesome ones first. ;-) And I think we forgave you for not paying your taxes. (I am originally from Great Britian).

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sermonindex Jan 24, 2007

For those interested here is the link to Kent Hovind's blog:
http://www.cseblogs.com/
And here is the website for his ministry:
http://www.drdino.com/

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sermonindex Jan 24, 2007

PS As for KrispyKrittr, we got rid of all the colonies over time, starting with the most troublesome ones first. And I think we forgave you for not paying your taxes.

I dont ever recall reading anywhere that we asked for forgiveness... lol!

I do love the line in the movie "The Patriot" where Mel Gibson's character says "Why should I trade 1 tyrant 1,000 miles away for 1,000 tyrants 1 mile away?"

A question we have been asking ourselves ever since!

Krispy

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iansmith Jan 24, 2007

I was just considering Zac Poonen's testimony... when he was born again he realized that a lot of things he had done in his past were wrong and he should make restitution for them wherever possible.

One of the examples he gave was sneaking onto trains instead of paying for the ticket. He realized that the trains were subsidized by the government, so he'd cheated the government many times by not paying for tickets. What he ended up doing was going and buying a bunch of tickets and ripping them up, so that he could pay his debt to the government.

It sounds radical, to some of you it might sound frivilous... but it works! When I heard that sermon I instantly remembered a store where I'd stolen an action figure as a child. The next day I went to the store and bought a similar item and asked them if they could restock it. The store clerk called over her manager and a couple of other employees, I explained how I had stolen there when I was only ten or eleven and I wanted to make restitution, they wondered why and I got to share my testimony briefely.

They ended up having me put the toy into a charity bin, but they were very thankful for my honesty and said it was one of the best things they'd ever seen working there.

Not only did God honor me for my obedience by giving me a chance to share about Him to those employees, but he gave me a sense of peace I can't describe when I repaid that outstanding debt!

If God looks at a ten dollar action figure and says 'you stole that, go make restitution.' How do you think he feels about thousands of dollars worth of tax money!

This preacher has a hardened heart that he doesn't hear the conviction of the Lord! The fact that other christians noticed his sin and reported him to the authorities... this is wickedness and he needs to repent, not make excuses!

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sermonindex Jan 24, 2007

Actually, Ian, Charles Finney preached this type of repentence too. And it's one I agree with because it's absolutely scriptural.

The difference is: motivation. This preachers motivation to cheat the train fare was selfishness. If a Christian protests against a law or disobeys a law because they believe the law is wrong... that is different. If the government outlaws the Bible, I'll be an outlaw, and I will be issuing no apologies or making any amends for it.

See what I mean? Those of our founding fathers (those who were godly men) who revolted against England by not paying unfair taxes issued no apologies, nor do I think they needed to.

There is a difference between breaking the law for selfish gain, and civil disobedience because something about our laws are unjust. Just like there is a difference between murder and killing an intruder who is threatening your family.

Krispy

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iansmith Jan 24, 2007

I've actually been reading one Charles Finney lecture a day from the book 'The Promise of the Spirit.' It's been very encouraging... you know you delight in the law when the bar keeps getting higher and you keep reading!

Reading Charles Finney will either make you mourn and despair, or praise and sing. For the first 8 chapters I was mourning, now I'm singing!

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sermonindex Jan 24, 2007

Yea... Finney could be pretty rough, definately not for "itching ears", but good medicine for the soul. The Keith Green of his time.

Krispy

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sonofadam777 Jan 25, 2007

http://www.penaltyprotester.com/files/LindseyHovindTrialReport.pdf

this article might shed more light on the subject.

Grace and peace,
Doug

post a prayer at prayerandfaith.blogspot.com

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allhavsinned Jan 25, 2007

sonofadam777 wrote:
http://www.penaltyprotester.com/files/LindseyHovindTrialReport.pdf
this article might shed more light on the subject.
Grace and peace,
Doug

Wow, puts an interesting slant on this whole issue

My daughter's seen all the DVD's and copied a couple for her science teacher.

I'll have to tell her about Kent's ordeal and this will help put it in the perspective of persecution.

Thanks for the link.

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sermonindex Jan 25, 2007

I read this... kinda backs up what I have been saying.

I like the line ~~[i]~~"Bureau of Labor Statistics (hereinafter referred to as ~~[b]~~"BS Taxes"[/b])[/i]

I couldnt think of a more appropriate name, thats for sure!

Krispy

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allhavsinned Jan 26, 2007

KrispyKrittr wrote:
I read this... kinda backs up what I have been saying.
I like the line ~~[i]~~"Bureau of Labor Statistics (hereinafter referred to as ~~[b]~~"BS Taxes"[/b])[/i]
I couldnt think of a more appropriate name, thats for sure!
Krispy

Krispy! Are you dragging the level of SI down to yours! :-P

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davidt Oct 3, 2007

Is Kent Hovind really guilty? Now, I dont presume to be an expert on these political and legal issues by any means, but I do see some very interesting things going on.

There is a website called freehovind.com and it has a petition to free him, and links of some who are raising funds and making presidential appeals for this as well as much information on the case and the specific legal issues.

There is a film that can be watched via google video called "freedom to fascism". It shows how bankers are stealthily infiltrating the US government since the US is in debt to them. And, now there are unconstitutional taxes from the federal reserve.

Many Christians in America are both ignorant of these things and partly because they would never think the "Gods country would ever do anything wrong, and that the President is a Christian ect...".

Kent Hovind was seeking to stand on the CONSTITUTION. He lived in poverty so it was not the money he was after, plus his material is uncopyrighted. He is not dumb and he is also a friend of the respected evangelist Ray Comfort. He repeatedly asked what have I done wrong. Kent did not want to go to jail of course, but he wanted to rebuild the wall like Nehemiah for our constitution. These are huge issues!!! If America doesn't stand then what is left!??? Communist China!? Hindu India!? Islamic Iran!? Atheistic and Hedonistic Europe!? The constitution is a huge matter and Christian's should take it serious. Kent wept, preached the gospel, prayed during his speech on trial. He said that he felt like a mouse compared to the Lion of his adversaries and didn't want to sue them anymore. This liberal country has already gone down the tube with evil people in authority and maybe soon it will be felt like it has to Hovind. Also, compare the cases of other's to that of Kent't the same cases in the US were not dealt with like it has with him.

Here is a link to the website "Free Hovind"
~~[url=www.freehovind.com]~~click here[/url]

A godly woman insigths from her visit in the court during the trial
[url=http://jensgems.blogspot.com/2007/01/kent-
hovind-maxed-minus-one.html]click here[/url]

the film about unconstitutional taxing go to google
~~[url=freedom to fascism]~~click here[/url]

About the CIA and other government plots that I am not totally sure about yet
~~[url=infowars.com]~~click here[/url]

and another more in depth one called "Want to know"
~~[url=wanttoknow.org]~~click here[/url]

Sign the "PETITION"?
~~[url=http://freehovind.com/petition]~~[/url]~~[url=http://freehovind.com/info-hovinds_legal_battles]~~click here[/url]~~[url=http://forum.freehovind.com/view-130]~~

Encouraging! letters from Hovind in prison about how he is praying, having personal revival, witnessing, and holding a bible study even getting in trouble with the Chaplain.[/url]

An article giving the specific reason for his imprisonment
~~[url=http://freehovind.com/info-hovinds_legal_battles]~~click here[/url]

Though this site is from his adversary it bears truth about how Hovind was innocent of the assault case if the verdict was not enough
~~[url=http://www.kent-hovind.com/assault.htm]~~click here[/url]

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sermonindex Oct 3, 2007

I have a couple of his DVD's and I just watched him on the NRB network. I don't know the facts, but the powers in the US want this man quiet, he doesn't just talk about Creation, but he talks about the New World Order, FDA and many liberals in office and colleges who want to destroy Christianity. they video I just watched was frightening, he talked about how many want to reduce the population. Ted Turner, is one who agrees with this movement.

We need to wake up and watch the times. Pray for Hovind and his family.

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davidt Oct 4, 2007

Yes, amen, Kent Hovind is a laborer and now a martyr even "the world is not worthy. This just vexes me for justice but also grieves me for the world system.

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Smokey Oct 4, 2007

folks

I am continually amazed at how quickly some people in this forum start slinging mud, even before they have a glimmer of an insight into the FACTS. Having read the linked transcript, it seems to me that there is a HUGE move afoot by your irs (aka the enemy of our soul) to silence this man. God will use this to bring glory to himself.
Blessings Greg