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new Bible to hit the UK "Good as New"

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strawrifle

Hi i was reading a new Bible is about to be released called Good as New by the One organization..Archbishop of Canterbury (CoE) said "Instead of being taken into a specialized religious frame of reference – as happens even with the most conscientious of formal modern translations – and being given a gospel addressed to specialized concerns … we have here a vehicle for thinking and worshipping that is fully earthed, recognizably about our humanity."

Mark 1:4

Authorized version: "John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

New: "John, nicknamed 'The Dipper,' was 'The Voice.' He was in the desert, inviting people to be dipped, to show they were determined to change their ways and wanted to be forgiven."

Mark 1:10-11

Authorized version: "And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him. And there came a voice from the heaven saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

New: "As he was climbing up the bank again, the sun shone through a gap in the clouds. At the same time a pigeon flew down and perched on him. Jesus took this as a sign that God's spirit was with him. A voice from overhead was heard saying, 'That's my boy! You're doing fine!'"

Matthew 23:25

Authorized version: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!"

New version: "Take a running jump, Holy Joes, humbugs!"

Matthew 26:69-70

Authorized version: "Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, 'Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.' But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest."

New: "Meanwhile Rocky was still sitting in the courtyard. A woman came up to him and said: 'Haven't I seen you with Jesus, the hero from Galilee?" Rocky shook his head and said: 'I don't know what the hell you're talking about!'"


1 Corinthians 7:1-2

KJV: "Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

New: "Some of you think the best way to cope with sex is for men and women to keep right away from each other. That is more likely to lead to sexual offences. My advice is for everyone to have a regular partner."

1 Corinthians 7:8-7

KJV: "I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."

New: "If you know you have strong needs, get yourself a partner. Better than being frustrated."

:-?

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Revolution34

Typical sign of our times. But even the devil would be ashamed to quote from this version!

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sermonindex

Thats just blasphemous.

Krispy

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deltadom

god help us especially as I work in a christian bookshop in the uk!
Dom

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HomeFree89

That is totally sacrilegious!

Jordan

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Here4Him

Oh man, that is so bad

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sermonindex

I'm tightly clinging to my King James, pulling it into my chest, eyes nervously darting to and fro...

I'm backing away from this thread...

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jordanamo

There have been a few Bibles like this have been coming around in the past 10-20 years and they haven't even made a dent, except maybe for the Message bible which as far as I know/recall is the Bible chosen for the Vineyard churches.

I think though, that it is quite possible for these translations to more and more get into the hands of kids, as time progresses, and that's sad, because these versions denigrate the Word of God. Nothing even somewhat close to the KJV vs. NIV vs. NAS differences-- these blatantly do it unabashed.

They take away so much from the Word, and yet in these last days it will become more common for churches to adopt them. I can't wait to see how KJVO-ers respond to these if some of them have even have found blasphemous disputations with NAS/NIV ; )

Jordan

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Warrior4Jah

Surely it must be possible to make a Bible translation with more modern language without being so inaccurate and 'weird' like this. :-(

I have to say that I like the Message bible. :-)
Modern day, non blasphemous langauage as far I can tell (I don't own one).

Matthew 26:69-70

All this time, Peter was sitting out in the courtyard. One servant girl came up to him and said, "You were with Jesus the Galilean." In front of everybody there, he denied it. "I don't know what you're talking about."

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HomeFree89

It's like they're just trying to leave the door open for sin. :-o

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sermonindex

I suppose the other bits quoted do keep the sense of the original but this!!!!! Almost wondered if it was going to say that the pigeon "did something" on him - it's that horrible!...

New: "As he was climbing up the bank again, [i][u]the sun shone through a gap in the clouds. At the same time a pigeon flew down and perched on him. Jesus took this as a sign that God's spirit was with him.[/u][/i] A voice from overhead was heard saying, 'That's my boy! You're doing fine!'"

Sorry, I don't like the Message either, though the bad interpretations may not be as obvious).

I think the main problem isn't with the contemporary language but with the misinterpretation, some of it blatant, as in the quote above.

Jeannette

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dohzman

I'm sorry but reading this is just funny! The Word of God says a merry heart makes good like medicine. I read "stuff" like this and have a good belly laugh, almost like Elijah did when he mocked the prophets of baal on Mt. Carmel. I know it's a serious thing but it's also kind of funny, don't you think? :-(

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PaulWest

Peter - Rocky?

[i]Rocky?[/i]

This reminds me of the Cowboys' New Testament I sometimes see here in the used bookstores. It's written in an 1870's western, camp fire vernacular. I remember thumbing through parts of the gospel, reading:

"Then the Good Lord rounded up all his men and said, "Now, listen here. Y'all know that pretty soon the folk are gonna get their hands on me, over in that yonder village called Jerusalem. And when they do, they're gonna put a real good hurtin' on me and kill me...but don't none of you worry, 'cause I'll be talkin to y'all again real soon - in about three days - after my Pa brings me back from the cemetery. Nobody is stronger than my Pa, and pretty soon he's gonna be y'all's Pa too."

At least the cowboy version is fun to read; this new one just sounds blasphemous, like Krispy said.

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dohzman

That'll preach!! Never read that version but it' sounds quaint. More respectful. I didn't mean to sound as if that other version wasn't blasphemous but it strike a funny bone in me. I'll get mad and pray the wrath of God on it later though :-)

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PaulWest

That'll preach!! Never read that version but it' sounds quaint. More respectful. I didn't mean to sound as if that other version wasn't blasphemous but it strike a funny bone in me. I'll get mad and pray the wrath of God on it later though

Yes, the "Rule Book" (the Cowboy Bible) is actually pretty good...for the sake of novelty. Certain lines of scripture - especially in some of Paul's epistles - are clearly pegged and oftentimes you can discover a unique slant on a verse you never noticed before. This is why I like going through new versions. Other people will see a new version (like the Message) and go into a panic, screaming "Blasphemy, blasphemy!" and toss the whole thing in a garbage can, but I like to scavenger hunt! You can often find coins buried in dirt - if you're willing to dig through the muck. I've found some great insights in the Message, and the NLT, which have helped me get a better grasp on some KJV thoughts.

I know what you mean by "belly laugh"! I think I laughed out loud in the bookstore when I ran across Jesus calling his disciples "my little buckaroos" as he chided them for lacking faith. It was sweet and pure and innocent. God can use it, and like you said, it can also preach!

http://www.cowboysforchrist.net/


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sermonindex

There have been a few Bibles like this have been coming around in the past 10-20 years and they haven't even made a dent, except maybe for the Message bible which as far as I know/recall is the Bible chosen for the Vineyard churches.

Well, it's like gas prices... oil companies jack the price up from $1.75 to $3.10/gal in three days, and everyone screams... then over time they lower it to $2.45/gal and everyone breathes a sigh of relief and thinks thats a good deal. They forget they are paying 70 cents more a gallon than they were 2 months ago... which is probably what the oil company's goal was in the first place.

Sooo... a really outrageous "version" of the bible comes out and everyone screams... and now all of a sudden Revolve "bible-zene" doesnt seem so bad. (but it is!)

Jordan said he couldn't wait to hear how KJV'ers will respond to this new "version"... well, as a KJV'er, I already responded. But nothing surprises me anymore. There's gay and lesbian study Bibles now... so why not this new "version" too?

How profane the world is, and how profane the "church" is becoming.

Krispy

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PaulWest wrote:
That'll preach!! Never read that version but it' sounds quaint. More respectful. I didn't mean to sound as if that other version wasn't blasphemous but it strike a funny bone in me. I'll get mad and pray the wrath of God on it later though

Yes, the "Rule Book" (the Cowboy Bible) is actually pretty good...for the sake of novelty. Certain lines of scripture - especially in some of Paul's epistles - are clearly pegged and oftentimes you can discover a unique slant on a verse you never noticed before. This is why I like going through new versions. Other people will see a new version (like the Message) and go into a panic, screaming "Blasphemy, blasphemy!" and toss the whole thing in a garbage can, but I like to scavenger hunt! You can often find coins buried in dirt - if you're willing to dig through the muck. I've found some great insights in the Message, and the NLT, which have helped me get a better grasp on some KJV thoughts.

I know what you mean by "belly laugh"! I think I laughed out loud in the bookstore when I ran across Jesus calling his disciples "my little buckaroos" as he chided them for lacking faith. It was sweet and pure and innocent. God can use it, and like you said, it can also preach!

http://www.cowboysforchrist.net/


Hey, I like the sound of the cowboy Bible! The quote you gave doesn't twist the central truth of what's being said like this new one does. I think that parts of The Message do as well - (read an online article criticising it - will look up a few things if you like). The Message, if they were correct, certainly did seem to badly distort the meaning of quite a lot of Scripture, and seemed to be seriously slanting towards the "Purpose-Driven" angle in parts).

Re The Message, I liked a bit of the NT read in someone's copy, when it first came out, and later bought one of the OT sections (?Proverbs?)that were first published. All I know is that the bit I read in the OT version didn't "smell" right somehow, but can't remember what it was.

Blessings

Jeannette

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dohzman wrote:
I'm sorry but reading this is just funny! The Word of God says a merry heart makes good like medicine. I read "stuff" like this and have a good belly laugh, almost like Elijah did when he mocked the prophets of baal on Mt. Carmel. I know it's a serious thing but it's also kind of funny, don't you think? :-(

Yes, it's a matter of "If you don't laugh you will have to cry".

The Lord has the last laugh on those who mock Him! (Psalm 2)

Jeannette

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strawrifle

Hi Dohzman i must confess i did chuckle a little bit :-( ..

Its seems this story is not as new as i first thought..
Maybe its another publicity drive,or they take a while to hit the stores,it was released in 2004..heres a link about it
http://www.bible-researcher.com/gan.html

I have notices where people once used their own ides to confirm things,more and more people are using verses to back up their idea..I don't think its a coincidences that ideas in some Churches are becoming more liberal,as more of these translations are released..for example look at Romans 1:26-27

God let them go on to pursue their selfish desires. Women use their charms to further their own ends. Men, instead of being friends, ruthlessly exploit one another.

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sermonindex

Ity does seem as if the Message isn't all that much better. There was a link off the other one...

http://www.bible-researcher.com/themessage.html

Do you still think The Message is OK?

Jeannette

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Warrior4Jah

Two more (paraphrased :-P) urls to some other sites I looked into.

[url=http://www.seekgod.ca/messageoverview.htm]seekgod.ca/messageoverview[/url]
[url=http://www.crossroad.to/Bible_studies/Message.html]Bible_studies/Message[/url]

I must say that the Message looks less appealing to me. Actually I know a friend who has a Message Bible... perhaps I can do some comparision with my trusty 'ol Bible someday.

About the link you posted, its weird that Peterson doesn't contact his publisher to add the notes that this book is not intended for church use and is not an accurate translation but a 'free paraphrase'.

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sermonindex

New: "John, nicknamed 'The Dipper,' was 'The Voice.' He was in the desert, inviting people to be dipped, to show they were determined to change their ways and wanted to be forgiven."

I wonder if Christ is the Big Dipper?!

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New: "As he was climbing up the bank again, the sun shone through a gap in the clouds. At the same time a pigeon flew down and perched on him. Jesus took this as a sign that God's spirit was with him. A voice from overhead was heard saying, 'That's my boy! You're doing fine!'
First of all, I laughed a hearty laugh when I read this. Secondly, when does the Spirit of God become an actual bird? John saw this in the Spirit:

John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven LIKE a dove, and it abode upon him.

These people that sit around with itching ears and their humanistic idealogies should be hung by the toe nails and whipped with an organic carrot.

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jordanamo

These people that sit around with itching ears and their humanistic idealogies should be hung by the toe nails and whipped with an organic carrot.

Consider what you just wrote...

I don't think that's a very prudent thing to say, if anything it's rather offensive.

Jordan

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gdcalls

That is terrible and blasphemeous, but I cannot say that it surprises me. This makes me love my KJV all the more.

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelations 22: 18-19

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Warrior4Jah

Hi gdcalls!

You wrote this:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelations 22: 18-19

My question then is, when are those plagues going to happen? If I understand your usage of scripture correctly it also applies to people who change the Bible in any unacceptable way today?

Thanks for reading!

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jordanamo wrote:
These people that sit around with itching ears and their humanistic idealogies should be hung by the toe nails and whipped with an organic carrot.

Consider what you just wrote...

I don't think that's a very prudent thing to say, if anything it's rather offensive.

Jordan


Hi Jordan

I'm sure Compliments didn't mean to offend. It's probably another example of "if you don't laugh you will have to cry".

And some of us do have a weird sense of humour.

Jeannette

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gdcalls

Hi Warrior4Jah,

These are very good questions, and I do not have the answers to them, nor do I believe that the Word of God tells us.

However, I do know that the Word of God will stand forever and to take it seriously at all times. These words will come to pass, and when they will come to pass does not matter so much, we need only to take these word to heart, believe what they say and go on and obey them.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

I believe that this verse applies to the entire bible and that therefore the passege from Revelations applies to us as much as to anyone at any time.

I'm sorry if I could not answer all of your questions, but I hope this helps.

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sermonindex

I'm sure Compliments didn't mean to offend
And you are right.

Didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just being funny about the organic carrot. I should have said, organic feather :-P

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ADisciple

Some of these recent translations (so-called) have defaced the Word of God: this one presently being discussed (which I hadn't heard of) actually effaces Him.
But no marvel: "As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men..." This happened to our Lord (The Living Word) at the Cross, has happened to Him in various ways throughout the history of the church, and is happening to Him again now with an intensity that is gaining momentum every day. How many things out there these days are intent on utterly obliterating the Word of God from among men?
Those who love Him feel the pain of all this. "It is time for Thee, LORD, to work, for they have made void thy law."
God will respond to this-- is already in the process of responding-- by preparing His own "living epistles" to be known and read of all men: HIS MESSAGE that will stop all mouths.

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Warrior4Jah

Hey gdcalls!

However, I do know that the Word of God will stand forever and to take it seriously at all times. These words will come to pass, and when they will come to pass does not matter so much, we need only to take these word to heart, believe what they say and go on and obey them.

Amen!
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

I believe that this verse applies to the entire bible and that therefore the passege from Revelations applies to us as much as to anyone at any time.

I'm sorry if I could not answer all of your questions, but I hope this helps.


This sure helps! I did some more thinking, although it seems that this judgement which is spoken out in that part of scripture in revelations might not neccesarily be for this time it [b]does reflects[/b] Gods 'heart' and attitude towards those who fraud scripture.

And yes I believe it will come to pass on a given time. For the time being God will confront these people when they stand before God at another judgement. I hope before the judgement seat if they where in error instead of the white throne.

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Burn4Christ

At first when i was reading this I was like what. Then I read where it says "Rocky" and laughed my head off.

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