Something Horrible

Brothers and Sisters,

First let me say I am not prophesying or predicting anything, only sharing a resent experience.
Several nights ago I awoke from a sound sleep overwhelmed with the feeling of pending disaster; as I was laying there I also noticed a strong presence of the Lord.
I said: Lord something horrible is going to happen isn’t it! He spoke these words; “Fear not for I am with you.” I said thank you Lord and went back to sleep. Every since this happened it has been weighing upon my mind that I should share this so now I have.
Has anyone else had a similar experience recently?

In His Love
pastorfrin

dear pastor, i cannot say that i've had an experience like that, but i will take that to prayer and be open to that.. thank you for sharing that with us..

Haven't had any thing like that in the last week but have been thinking a lot of my dream from a few years back that was the end of Jonathan Edwards famous sermon "Sinners in the hands of an angry God"

Therefore, let every one that is out of Christ, now awake and fly from the wrath to come. The wrath of Almighty God is now undoubtedly hanging over a great part of this congregation. Let every one fly out of Sodom: "Haste and escape for your lives, look not behind you, escape to the mountain, lest you be consumed."

Also have felt as if the the Lord is getting ready to get our attention as a nation, this week I have felt as if revival is soon to arrive.

We are experiencing it on a personal level - in a way I never dreamed would happen.

I mentioned today to my DH how the sun shines so brightly, skies are cloudless, but it is so depressing to go outside. Sure it is hot, but the fact we have had only 1/3 of the normal rainfall for the year just gets to you. When I get discouraged about the weather, I am reminded of these verses from Hab. 3: 17-19: Though the fig tree should not blossom And there be no fruit on the vines, Though the yield of the olive should fail And the fields produce no food, Though the flock should be cut off from the fold And there be no cattle in the stalls, Yet I will exult in the LORD, I will rejoice in the God of my salvation. The Lord GOD is my strength, And He has made my feet like hinds' feet, And makes me walk on my high places." NASB
Now this takes some faith....

ginnyrose

Havven't had ny dreams, or visios, or like, but have been deeply considerng the subject of Matyrdom lately, feling as if I am peparing for something.

Brethren, greetings in Jesus' Name by whose Blood we are justified before God. AMEN.

i am sure many out there would pooh-pooh some of what has beens shared here as foolishness, or some sort of rampant chicken-little syndrome. i sense a genuineness of concern from you all so at best God is showing us something (which is what i believe) or we are all nuts. if we're nuts we need to be locked up and prayed for! The question most people ask is "what if it isn't God?" i feel this is a cop out because if we answer "it's not of God" we can continue on as we were. The former question is much harder to answer and do away with so as to continue on as before...i tend to ask this question and i find that if i think it [i][b]is[/b][/i] God i am inclined to press deeper into Him. i wonder sometimes if we are careless and dismiss what and who God sends us because we don't like the package?

anyhow i share this concern that something is looming not just for our nation but the world as a whole. We here more about what will happen here not because this is the only country but because we live here and we will be directly affected. God still does deal with national sin and i fear our cup runs over. The nations of the world are full of iniquity also and that is bringing judgment. We as the Church are not exempt from what is coming because it must begin with us as we are the bearers of the standard. We must repent of our own foolishness, iniquity and sin all of which stem from pride. We must root pride out of our lives and put in the Humility of Christ. Brethren if we think we have repented of all and haven't any more need to repent, we are blinded with pride! Paul said toward the end of his life he was the chief of sinners...oh brethren let us always be repenting! We didn't learn every sin in a day and so the washing away of it will not take a day.

indeed even the secular world and some of the unbelievers are aware that something is about to happen, i venture to say some unbelievers have more insight on what is looming than we do. If this is so then how dire is our blindness if we can't even discern rightly the judgment which is at hand, at the very door of the Church and will then proceed into the world? We see the world receiving judgement but not us. We haven't separated ourselves as we ought to have in many regards. Dear saints let us fall on our faces before God or we will surely perish!

for the last 2 yrs i have had this sense and our Lord has shown me visions of it all, if you feel led the thread is called prophetic credentials 3 and it is here in the general topics section. If this sense is misguided i pray God loose me from it, if God has indeed spoken, we will be put on our faces, some will repent, others may forsake the faith unto damnation. This sense hasn't left me and i have shared some in His grief over us yet even in that i piled on more grief by somehow thinking myself separate from my brethren rather than considering that we will all share in the judgment. Even Daniel and Ezekiel though being righteous were carried off into captivity with their brethren. i pray we take a page from the life of Daniel and confess our sins and those of our nation before God. His hand will not be stayed so this would be for the purposes of acknowledging our sin and culpability and accepting the coming judgment. i fear if we don't come to grips with this, we may forsake the Faith and rail against God saying "why did you do this when we did nothing wrong!"

if i am wrong, i'll sit down and be quiet and hope you intercede on my behalf because i would be in much need of prayer. Everything for some reason seems to indicate the opposite.

God help us and Grace and Peace be yours in Christ. AMEN.

bro Jim

greetings in Jesus NAme. AMEN.

i have listened to them both and they seem to confirm much of what i believe more firmly i have been shown by God concerning what is to come.

Grace and Peace be yours in Jesus' Name. AMEN.

God still does deal with national sin and i fear our cup runs over.

Agreed.

Recently I have begun to pray daily that we be not deceived.

i'll not rehash all that i've posted on SI regarding this subject (it's all public record), but suffice it to say that it's something i believe i've been hearing from our Lord about for over the past 20 years, with it's intensity more increased in the last 5 years or so, and with this year -2007- being the culmination ...

My wish here is not to incite further deriding from any who think me misguided, deluded, or whatever, but regarding the coming correction, and subsequent REVIVAL, i believe i've heard from Him that this is the year that will mark the turning point of Christianity, particularly here in America, in re-active repentance ... In fact i also believe that Holy Spirit has told me that the REVIVAL i believe He spoke of coming to my assignment (church) is soon upon us as a congregation ... At the beginning of this month i kept hearing in my spirit: "We're here" ... Then after some praying last Sunday about my pastor and my church, and what i believe i've heard from Him, this message came forth in my spirit:

--- "There is an event looming, soon to manifest, that bishop will recognize instantly and it will put he and his ministerial staff on their faces, and subsequently turn us into a solemn assembly" ---

It wasn't made clear exactly what this event would be, but that it will be the catalyst to introducing what i believe i heard so long ago ...

In all the years i believe that i've heard from Him i've never had a pinpointed time frame until the end of last year coming into this one, part of which is in league with what i believe to have been a confirmation from my fellowship with bro Ironman (as bro Ironman said: documented in the thread - Prophetic Credentials 3 ... i don't believe it is by coincidence that i was led to SI and/or bro Ironman ...

i've noticed since my postings on SI that in some of the things i say i've learned to preface it with "i believe", and that i guess is in attempts to trying to explain some of my actions ... i've been actively telling saints all that "i believe" i'm hearing, even in light of sometimes dealing with outright hostility, but there's an unction to do so that i believe is from Him, and i just can't seem not to spit it out, or rest until i do so ... i oft try to, but somewhere along the line it always comes ... My Mom always says "What's in you will come out", well this warning of impending disaster(s) due to our ignorance of our dire need of repentance always seems to come out of me ... i've told many a saint that i believe our Lord has told me that a great REVIVAL is soon upon my assignment, and that when it breaks forth i'll be sure to bid them come ... i've also had a few saints express some concern about this, and ask me what will i do if this does not come to pass ... i tell them it will prove me to be prophesying falsely and that i will first of all deeply apologize to God ... i tell them i'll take it as a directive from our Lord that i needed to be shut up, and sat down ... i tell them that i will come back and apologize to as many as i can, including SI, and particularly the under-shepherd of my church for mistakenly attempting to sway he and his ministry ... And i tell them then i intend to find me some nice, quiet, little, old hymn singing, Jesus loving, Presbyterian congregation somewhere, and leave behind all and get as far away as i can from anything associated with Pentecostalism ...

But in the meanwhile the bottom line is this, in faith i've done and continue to do privately and publicly what i believe i'm hearing from our Lord to do, even if nobody else does ... i remember once in my crying out to our Lord
why He would unction me to say things that no one believes the question i got back was: "But do you believe"? ...

Sometimes it's been hard to, but YES it's been my excercise in this i've come to call "my extra-curricular faith" that over the years i heeded and have repented of and put away sins i knew were displeasing to Him, trumpeted what i believe i was told to trumpet, liquidated debt, published a book, opened and invested $$$ in the purchasing of actual gold bullion out of the U.S., and bought shares in both Ness and Zion Oil, all in anticipation of "something horrible" being on it's way, and believing that it's now right up on us ...

2007 is a very exciting time/year for me because one way or the other He is about to free me (Rom. 8:28) ... For me it's seemed such a looooooooooooooooooooong time coming ...

Blessings in Christ Jesus all!

I haven't had any sense of pending disaster but I must say that over the past year I have been urgently seeking God to Work in me the same way that He did in the men of God that we read about. Men like the Wesleys, or Finney. Now I'm not in anway presuming that God is going to [i]use[/i] me like that- I fear He couldn't or I would touch the glory. God knows I'm the least fitted for a position like that- but over the past two months I have had this deep, deep assurance that God is about to work. Revival? I believe so with all my heart simply because of this supernatural assurance that I get every time I pray for God to visit his people and once again make the church what it was in the book of Acts. This thread has moved me to pray even more urgently. Oh may God be exalted amongst his people!
In Christ who is our blessed Lord and Master!

Amen! What Ravenhill said is always on my mind:

The world is not looking for another definition of Christianity. It is waiting for another demonstration of Christianity!"

I am also seeking God to make me humble and devout as former men were. Imagine if for every one preacher like Wesley or Whitefield, we had fifteen M'Cheyne's, Brainerd's, and Heide's!!!

Prayer, prayer, prayer!

Hi bro Jim ...

You wrote;
"Sir, can you please explain why you "opened and invested $$$ in the purchasing of actual gold bullion"

Bro the "reason" is a subject i've addressed on SI prior, as i've felt led of our Lord to post much about "America's Precarious Economy", but the bottom line reason is because i believe led of our Lord to do so, to the benefit of my family and church in the coming time of need ...

In the early 80's i believe Holy Spirit directed me to a book called "How to Survive the Next Great Depression" by R L King ... It's been so far back that i don't even remember how i got it, but i still remember the alarming impact it had on my thinking about $ ... For one thing this anti-Keansian economist outlined the amount of debt we Americans had taken on then, as he also mapped out how much debt our own government was taking on, and why ... Then he proceeded to lay out what would happen if we as a people/government would continue on this course ... Well we have, and now all that he wrote about is here, even more aggravated by the events since 9/11 ... One other thing i believe Holy Spirit did in this was to tie it together in my spirit that America was doomed to experiencing this decline in direct cause of how we as a nation had treated Gos since the 60's ... That was the beginning of my trumpet blowing ...

The American dollar and the American economy, in the natural, is on the verge of collapse due to our outrageous debts, and in the supernatural because of our having gotten way past God's limits about the trust in mammon, and therefore the world economies are on the verge of major downward adjustments too ... We're 5% of the world population, and consume 25% of it's goods ...

To tell you the truth i'm the last one i'd of ever thought to be doing this, let alone believing that God has directed me to, but i've subsequently learned that gold and silver has always been recognized as true money, and that the one reason governments finally got off of what is called the Gold Standard is because the value of paper money (fiat currency)
once could not be worth/spent/printed beyond the gold that was backing it ... That's why once America was so proud of Fort Knox, now you don't even hear about it ... Once that standard was done away with governments (here during Nixon's presidency), via The Fed became free to print as many promisory notes as they felt they needed to and/or could back by it's own gaurantee ... From the last American Depression (the domino effect fall of all paper promisory notes) one of the things that sticks out in history was that holders of actual gold had buying/bargaining power even tho the economy/$ was in the toilet - so much so that Pres. Roosevelt made it a crime for an American citizen to keep gold and our government demanded (confiscated) that it be turned in for paper currency valued way below the actual gold value ...

Then after the Great Depression, especially during the boom times from the 50's onward, all kinds of ways for wealthy people to own actual precious metals outside US extradition laws (except for felonius activity) were opened up, but even then as long as fiat money seems viable to other nations actual gold metal value stays low, and therefore investors don't but it, and brokers advise not to touch it as only chicken little, the sky is falling crack-pots value gold ... But when confidence in fiat money becomes shaky, as it is now amongst even the likes of Gates, Soros and Buffet, gold bullion prices go up and investors start to diversify into it ...

Let it also be said that governments who push their currencies don't like gold, and there are ways for them to be creative in holding gold prices low as many will from time to time unload their gold supplies to regulate downward price, just as there are ways to overinflate housing prices so that business can continue to be percieved as still robust, tho that seemingly continued success is built on the incurrence of even more debt, and will also eventually reach it's glut as it already has here in the US ... It's like us all standing around watching the blowing up of a huge balloon which at some point when it starts to get too big begins to cause anxiety to some watchers, this is what i believe Holy Spirit made me aware of some time ago to my distancing myself from it while even now many are looking at the balloon as "oh it's so big and pretty" and it's about to blow up in their faces ...

i can only attribute it to our Lord that He's taken a once Bohemian Van Gogh artistic type like myself, and has made me to understand as much about "wealth" as i do now ... i may not have it 100% down but i do believe that what i'm hearing is from Him and so i do ... With the holdings that i have now in actual gold metal, when i first became interested in gold purchasing it was $480. and oz., today it's around $650., with projections as high as $2000. an oz. in the event of a US economic meltdown ... It's stored on the isle of Jersey, off the UK, because the way it works is in event of a meltdown in any nation, rich citizens store their actual metals
in another nation, and due to International Law, can draw from the profits of such holdings tho in the affected nation ... Another thing that i've also learned about wealth, especially in tangible assets is, they don't dissappear, they just change hands, and are usually sold again pennies on the dollar in times of a economic crash ...

Just as in the Great Depression, tho everyone took some loss, everyone wasn't poor, and those who had some wherewithal during that time when supply far exceeded demand where able to buy things dirt cheap ... That's why J D Rockefeller said: The time to make $ is to buy when blood is running in the streets" ... This is one of the reasons why i also attempt to get as many saints who are trying to buy houses this year to just wait ...

Bottom line is i believe our Lord has been/is grooming me for "stewardship", and tho by the mere capacity of office i and mine will benefit, but it's moreso for my congregation, and other saints ... So this is the reason, as far out as it might seem, i do what i do ...

Somehow, somewhere, down the line i believe like the little boy on the mount, i'm to be a conduit of His supplying needs to His own by His blessing and breaking my meager 5 loaves and two fishes that i offer out of pure faith - and pure faith alone ...

You know when our Lord first started talking to me about $ the first offshore Gold Repository i learned about is called SafeWealth, in Switzerland, where they won't even talk to you unless you've got 100K ... At that point i used to say, "Lord why are you telling me about $ when i don't have any" ...

Then at the beginning of this year i believe He opened up a door and all of a sudden i had a little sizable amount, and not only that got directed to ...

GoldMoney
http://www.goldmoney.com/en/index.php

Which is a repository just like SafeWealth, except it afforded the likes of me to buy and hold Gold/Silver bullion ... Well you have to know the way i think it was His perfect timing and so i bought, and am still buying ... To me i'm reminded of the scripture that say's "He who is faithful in least" ... One thing i've learned in our Lord's dealing with me about $ is there is no such thing as mine and His, it's all His, and i think a saint graduates once that fact is no longer hard to swallow! ...

Blessings in Christ Jesus!

brethren
is it just me or has this issue been brought to the fore for a few more people on these boards?

Grace and Peace to you all in Jesus' Name. AMEN

EDIT
Then also the matter of suffering coming here to us and our woefull unpreparedness and lack of consecration...so much most don't see it coming. We expect persecution from the world, but the sad thing is most of it will come from other believers who think they are doing God a service...God help us lest we think more of ourselves than we ought. AMEN.

Brothers and Sisters,

Thank you all for sharing seems we are by no means alone in this.

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

He has overcome the world and He will and is building His church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I believe this is the time when we needed to forget about ourselves and concentrate on Him. He has called us to be a glorious church without spot or wrinkle and now is the time to be mindful of our calling, whatever or wherever He is about to lead us is up to Him and all He ask of us is to be willing. I believe that is what the Fear Not for I Am with You is all about.
Romans 8:31
What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

1 Thes. 4:18
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

In His Love
pastorfrin

i too have felt this in my spirit-for some time now. A couple weeks ago so much so my chest physicaly ached. It was during that time that God give me some scriptures for different people but He give this one to me Joshua 1:6/7 and verse 9-
This is my command--be strong and courageous!Do not be afraid or discouraged.For the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.

May God richly bless you pastorfrin
in His love,
rick

It may be of interest to consider some of the comments made in these threads:

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=17227&forum=36]All Israel shall be saved[/url]
and...
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(My he who has ears to hear, hear...)

Jeannette wrote:

I also have little doubt that much of it will come from religious surces, including the "Church"

As I recall from studying church history, in particular the era of the Reformation, the church was the persecutor. The Anabaptists were severely persecuted first by the Catholics which was bad, but then the Reformed church got on the bandwagon and were more severe in their persection of the Anabaptist then the Catholics. If history were to repeat itself, I would have to think that the ones we are the closest to doctrinally could be our worst persecutors. Sobering, but a possible reality. So to protect oneself, one must be certain that we do not put undue trust in others, even those that [i][b]seem[/b][/i] righteous, the ones that in our spirit raise red flags but must instead immerse ourselves in the Word of God and walk with Him, in Spirit and in Truth. (Of course, I realize that in recent years the devil has raised up other enemies that killed/persecuted Believers. The bottom line is they can come from anywhere: professing Christians and well as non-Believers).

Blessings,
ginnyrose

Hi Annie,

We're "counting the cost" as we speak.

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

If we only knew.

In HIs Love
pastorfrin

GrannieAnnie wrote:

We count the cost each time we post, talk on the phone, order books, send checks to ministries and so forth.

I was reading these verses this morning and remembered your posting:

Luk 12:2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.
Luk 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

It's interesting that Jesus starts this saying with a warning to His disciples "of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy". So in this context I understand that He warns us that we maintain consistent godly conduct and speech everywhere. But then He continues talking about the suffering that we will need to endure and so this is connected with our speech and confession:

Luk 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
Luk 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

So our speech and conduct will be revealed and tested, and we may suffer for that but the Lord forewarns us: "Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him." (v.5) And then also encourages us: "Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows." (v.6,7) and again: "And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and [unto] magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say." (v.11,12).

Chuck Misslers 2007 Strategic Trends (audio) was released this week on khouse.org & after listening to the online series I can see why this feeling is prevalent

I can safely predict that the end is coming for many of us on an individual level within the next twenty to thirty years. Something horrible is happening everyday since man fell and the Son of God was sent to die on a cross for our sins. Where is the rejoicing that we would be found worthy to join in his suffering?

I didn't see the replies to pastorfrin this weekend so I responded to him privately. I won't go into detail of what I told him but your posts confirm everything the Lord has been showing me since the summer of '04.

My dreams and visions, and those of millions of other Christians around the world, point to three things: God's judgment of America has begun, the Great Wrath is at the door (the day is late, it is seconds before dark) even now and will be [b]very evident, undeniable[/b] within the next 24 months; we must be prepared and be inside God's inner chamber, the ark now, as my understanding is that the earth has only a few months before the door to grace will be shut. God told pastorfrin "Fear Not". God tells us if we are His and inside the inner chamber, we have nothing to fear:

[i] And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and [NOW] no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled. Rev 15:8.[/i]

[i]Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. Isa 26:20[/i]

Also a radio ministry new to twelve large American cities that warn of coming judgment has just begun. You can hear the radio archive at newwineministry.net. (I am not associated with this ministry).

All glory, honor, and praise to Christ Jesus the King and Authority of all creation.

Blessings

whyme,

I think you would find it on page two.
Quote:

"Brothers and Sisters,

Thank you all for sharing seems we are by no means alone in this.

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

He has overcome the world and He will and is building His church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I believe this is the time when we needed to forget about ourselves and concentrate on Him. He has called us to be a glorious church without spot or wrinkle and now is the time to be mindful of our calling, whatever or wherever He is about to lead us is up to Him and all He ask of us is to be willing. I believe that is what the Fear Not for I Am with You is all about.
Romans 8:31
What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

1 Thes. 4:18
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

In His Love
pastorfrin”

Brothers and Sisters,

I am reposting the original post to make it clear I am not predicting or prophesying anything as I have already said. what anyone else has to say is between them and the Lord, but a word of advice is I would not make light of this but take it before the Lord and trust Him.
He has already said, Fear Not for I Am with you, and that is good enough for me.

In His Love
pastorfrin

Quote:

"Brothers and Sisters,

First let me say I am not prophesying or predicting anything, only sharing a resent experience.
Several nights ago I awoke from a sound sleep overwhelmed with the feeling of pending disaster; as I was laying there I also noticed a strong presence of the Lord.
I said: Lord something horrible is going to happen isn’t it! He spoke these words; “Fear not for I am with you.” I said thank you Lord and went back to sleep. Every since this happened it has been weighing upon my mind that I should share this so now I have.
Has anyone else had a similar experience recently?

In His Love
pastorfrin"

Say false visions and dreams are as freedom to continue in every evil work going on in the world today, without God or offended nacions of men, turned as judgement against you
If you're dream about being as David and you're seed inheriting the land, you've gone far. But if the bridge is out, Krispy would not have told you his faith is in vain because of idols and that I was wanton and stubborn and unloving proud and covetous razorback fan. Yea a non sainte that is for sure, yea
Idoltary is the blinding of your eyes by images, that they often turn us remaining Christians into error and the boundage of false prophets who devour money, housses, lands and how they've done little to turn back famine in Sudan.
How they have ignored the Holy Ghost and his warnings about the mighty wave coming from God, subtracting from your abominacyons.

I am not a strange crazy no Jesus Christ castaway
5 ¶ For thus sayeth God the LORD unto him (even he that made the heavens, and spread them abroad, and set forth the earth with her increase: which giveth breath unto the people that is in it, and to them that dwell therein)
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and led thee by the hand. Therefore will I also defend thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, and to be the light of the Gentiles.
7 That thou mayest open the eyes of the blind, let out the prisoners, and them that sit in darkness, out of the dungeon house.
8 I my self, whose name is the LORD, which give my power to none other, neither mine honour to the gods:
9 Shew you these new tidings, and tell you them or they come, for old things also are come to pass.
10 Sing therefore unto the LORD, a new song of thanks giving, blow out his praise unto the end of the world. They that be upon the sea, and all that is therein, praise him, the Isles and they that dwell in them.
11 Let the wilderness with her cities lift up her voice, the towns also that be in Cedar. Let them be glad that sit upon rocks of stone, and let them cry down from the high mountains:
12 ascribing almightiness unto the LORD, and magnifying him among the Gentiles.
13 ¶ The LORD shall come forth as a giant, and take a stomach to himself like a fresh man of war. He shall roar and cry, and overcome his enemies.
14 I have long time holden my peace, (sayeth the LORD) should I therefore be still, and keep silence for ever? I will cry like a travailing woman, and once will I destroy, and devour.
15 I will make waste both mountain and hill, and dry up every green thing that groweth thereon. I will dry up the floods of water, and drink up the rivers.
16 I will bring the blind into the street, that they know not: and lead them in to a foot path, that they are ignorant in. I shall make darkness light before them, and the thing that is crooked to be straight. These things will I do, and not forget them.

Forget not you adding your whordoms in the spirit of abominable wickedness and the whole deceat of the 'god' face of all of us "with the circumisized look never gentile like".
It is impossible not to fall to proud and covetous, who turn the grace of God into wantonness, gone in the error of Balaam for lucre and in the treason of COrah?

How God will do a new thing if you askhim about Tarry's tearbottle and if you actually had comappsion on the poor

I Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and man, which is the man Christ Jesus,
6 which gave himself a ransom for all men, that it should be preached at his time,
7 whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle (I tell the truth in Christ and lie not) being the teacher of the gentiles in faith and verity.
8 I woll therefore that the men pray every where, lifting up pure hands without wrath, or arguing. (1526-2007)

Poor old Terry Merritt used to be merchandise thorow covetousnesse by the deceat and hands (oh how the people fall to them and they sucke out no small advantage)
You know the names, I am not an iudge, but a brother seeking to obtayne the inheritience of the vineyard, oh how you'll kick me and the otherservants (that ye beat) out.
Tell you to keep your selves from images is not hate, yet love is spurng up from God

Slavyan, I empathize with your situation. About six months ago the Lord called me out of the meetings I attended, for numerous reasons.

After that time many came to me, almost like recruiters who saw that I was 'available' to join their service/study/event. In many circles it is subtily implied as orthodox doctrine that true Christians attend church on Sundays and 'mature' ones come on Wednesday night as well. Prospective 'leaders' may also attend prayer breakfasts on weekday mornings. Some of these persons are well meaning, though misled, believing they are 'delivering a fallen brother' by returning him to regular meetings devoid of regeneration theology.

But where is thirst for righteousness!? I heard about how Ravenhill made other ministers uncomfortable because his Christianity 'never turned off' even when he went out for a meal after preaching.

Is our mind fixed upon relieving orphans, widows, handicapped, starved, poor, and weak persons, with the gospel, or does it gravitate back to entertainment dubbed 'fellowship'? In this I convict myself, may God grant grace for renewal.

Personally, I found within the local meetings more fiction and factions than edification. But there is, where I live, a tiny network of believers who study to show themselves approved, and are diligently studying obedience in the power of the Spirit.

There are so many 'birds in the branches', so to speak, that real fellowship of the sort which drives us higher along this 'upwards calling' is difficult to find. People come into the fold hungry for fruits with none of the roots, to scavenge the meeting without scouring their hearts in repentance, and are unopposed by all but the remnant of courageous pastors. I expect it to remain this way until someone or something shakes the tree violently.

Let's pray for one another, I'll pray for you now.

“That those things which cannot be shaken may remain.”
— Hebrews 12:27

"We have many things in our possession at the present moment which can be shaken, and it ill becomes a Christian man to set much store by them, for there is nothing stable beneath these rolling skies; change is written upon all things. Yet, we have certain “things which cannot be shaken,” and I invite you this evening to think of them, that if the things which can be shaken should all be taken away, you may derive real comfort from the things that cannot be shaken, which will remain. Whatever your losses have been, or may be, you enjoy present salvation. You are standing at the foot of his cross, trusting alone in the merit of Jesus’ precious blood, and no rise or fall of the markets can interfere with your salvation in him; no breaking of banks, no failures and bankruptcies can touch that. Then you are a child of God this evening. God is your Father. No change of circumstances can ever rob you of that. Although by losses brought to poverty, and stripped bare, you can say, “He is my Father still. In my Father’s house are many mansions; therefore will I not be troubled.” You have another permanent blessing, namely, the love of Jesus Christ. He who is God and Man loves you with all the strength of his affectionate nature—nothing can affect that. The fig tree may not blossom, and the flocks may cease from the field, it matters not to the man who can sing, “My Beloved is mine, and I am his.” Our best portion and richest heritage we cannot lose. Whatever troubles come, let us play the man; let us show that we are not such little children as to be cast down by what may happen in this poor fleeting state of time. Our country is Immanuel’s land, our hope is above the sky, and therefore, calm as the summer’s ocean; we will see the wreck of everything earthborn, and yet rejoice in the God of our salvation."
(Spurgeon, C. H.)

Pastorfrin:
I just came across this thread tonight for the first time...
Yes.
On Tuesday night/Wednesday morning (June 19/20)...I had a dream. It was very clear that America was under attack.
It took several days, for me to no longer feel the sensation of how real it was.
A couple of nights later, I was out to dinner with a friend, and as we walked to our cars I relayed my dream...and I said, "It was a clear and beautiful night just like this, when suddenly..."

On the 10th of Sept...prior to the horror of 911, the Holy Spirit caused a restlessness in my spirit and kept on saying "Impending Danger, Impending Danger"...(and showing me an airplane).
All I could think of was that someone in my family may be in a plane crash...(I never thot "nationally" )
So I called my sister. She was in the car headed for the airport...
I said, "Debbie, I am not trying to alarm you, but I can't ignore the fact that the Holy Spirit is telling me that danger is about to happen...and it has to do with an airplane...please know that should something happen while you are on the plane, I am praying and interceding over you/your protection."
She took me serious, and when her plane landed, she called to say she was safe....and I apologized if I caused her concern, but I know the Holy Spirit was warning me about something.
I felt silly, like maybe I was imagining things...and tried to push aside that awful gnawing within me...I paced the floor and prayed that night...the warning would not lift....
Then the next morning such a horrific event unfolded....

I was warned....
and my dream that recently happened, was the same heaviness....

yes...
I believe that we are being prepared....
We must remain in a perpetual attitude of prayer, praise and worship...

Oh my goodness....I must tell you ... that when I wrote my post a few minutes ago, I said that I had had a dream...I did not tell my dream...it seemed it would take too long to relay it...

however, I just read sscott's dream....

that is nearly identical to mine !!! It was these bright silver enormous bullet type missiles soaring acrossed the sky, NOT dropping out of the sky. And I saw them in the distance and then the huge cloud of smoke, once the bomb hit...
I was with a friend, one of my daughters and one of my grandchildren...and I said to my daughter, "it is ok Honey, God has prepared us for this and has promised to protect us, and see, they are far away...."
Then within seconds the bombs came in closer...they were so blindingly bright and they hit and the ground was separated from my daughter and I...I could no longer see her. It was this most horrible feeling that woke me up and would not leave me for at least a week...even now recalling the dream, makes it seem so real.
When I woke up it was as if this was NOT a dream at all, but an actual event.

Greetings dear saints in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Reconciled to the Father.AMEN.

It seems that we have a sense of something looming, indeed the world has that same sense but not according to Knowledge. i feel this is God gearing us up for something. Somehow i doubt very much that the enemy could deceive so many with the same thing at the same time...if we are wrong then it is apparently a sizeable number who will be in sore need of prayer...if indeed this is God (and i believe it is), then there is much work to be done...

i was shown a similar vision to what some of you have dreamed and shared here and it concerned Washington D.C. and New York. i posted it in the this section as i felt led of God under the title "Prophetic Credentials 3" if our Lord so leads you may look at the thread.

Grace and Peace be ours in Jesus Name. AMEN.

GrannieAnnie...
Isn't that interesting? And I wonder why this evening this thread that was started two weeks ago, has come back into focus.

I really don't understand the purpose of the Holy Spirit showing selected people that something is going to happen.

Why was I warned about 9/11? why were so many people warned? I prayed but didnt know what I was praying for? what did my prayers do?

I am not one to watch the news anymore..I watch no tv...have not had even had it on for a year. So it is not that I am watching and hearing dreaded news reports, that would spark me to have bad dreams etc....

Over the years, in my study time with the Lord, He has prepared me by telling me that what is about to happen, will be very quick...He said it will be over almost as quick as it started...

He said that that the only information we will know will be what is right in front of our face, because all technical connection will be cut off.

There was at one point a reference that the time span would be about three days...

The exciting part of this was that He showed me that people would be looking for answers hope and direction...and we as believers, those who have been committed and ready and in preparation will have the opportunity to lift up the Name of Jesus!!!

I have hid all of this information in my heart (and journaled of course) and have only told my family...because I want them to be prepared. I was thinking I was alone in knowing this..yet over the years I keep hearing about others who have the very same stories as I do....

We must treasure every moment of Freedom and bathe all that we know, in prayer....
I am not afraid...but my spirit is very sensitive to the Holy Spirit...ready for my next instruction....

How wonderfully reassuring that we have this SI family out there in one mind and spirit...

ce4 thank you for the links... I just read the Chicago Tribune one...wow !!!

I admire the stance of our leaders...in the face of such ridicule, they continue to stand and go forward with what they know to be the right thing for the country and the people.

thank you for sharing...

B.

KrispyKrittr wrote:
Gee... now I wish I hadnt read this thread! I have a flight booked for tomorrow to NYC for business. lol...

I love flying, but I'm never happier than when I step foot on the ground again. And I hate NYC. ...and then I read this thread. :-?

Krispy

I think this calls for a KRISPY prayer request

Brothers and Sisters,

Praise the Lord for His mercy endureth forever.

Luke 21:7-33
And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? [8] And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. [9] But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. [10] Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: [11] And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. [12] But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. [13] And it shall turn to you for a testimony. [14] Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: [15] For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. [16] And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. [17] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. [18] But there shall not an hair of your head perish. [19] In your patience possess ye your souls. [20] And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. [21] Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. [22] For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. [23] But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. [24] And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
[25] And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; [26] Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. [27] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. [28] And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. [29] And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; [30] When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. [31] So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. [32] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. [33] Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

He not only tells us what is coming and to fear not, but when we see these things begin to happen
to look up.....

[28] And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

and lift up your heads; For Your REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH.

Do you ALL Hear, OUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH!

So LOOK UP and LIFT Up YOUR HEADS Jesus is getting ready to shake-up His Church;
Are we ready?

In His Love
pastorfrin

Krispy Said:

I have a flight booked for tomorrow to NYC for business

Are you going to visit Time Square Church?

Yes !!!! Looking Up !!!
I am so excited for the Name of the Lord to be Glorified !!! Oh that is what I think of when I hear of these "events" taking place...
The Church will wake up out of its deep slumber and arise and proclaim the Holiness of God as He makes Himself known beyond man's denial...
I am comforted knowing that there are SO many who have been stirring within their spirits anticipating and seeking the Lord for the hour that is soon to come....
Rejoice...for your Redemption Draweth Nigh !!!

This topic was brought up again and more experiences and thoughts added to it, on the Devotional/Thoughts Forum...under the post titled SEEK THE LORD AND FIND REST ...

pastorfrin the night after Chertoff made his comment before the world, this past July 12 that he and the powers that be anticipate some catastrophic al queda event within America's borders this summer, I was quite shaken and spent a sleepless night of prayer and reading the Word.

The Lord led me to Matthew 7

Mat 7:21 [b]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; [u]but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[/b][/u]
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[b]Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.[/b]
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

yes

Is there anyway to read or hear Chertoff's comment? Any links?

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nevermind...I just googled Chertoff July 12 2007 and read about it...

thank you.

In what was known as the 6 day war, Israel re-gained control and dominion over the city of Jerusalem, and once again truly making Israel whole.. This happened in June of 1967, exactly 40 years ago. Typically a "biblical" generation is 40 years, and Israel is frequently referred to as a fig tree, so I believe these verses have a lot to do with what God is about to do.

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Blessings Greg

Hi FreebyWord,

Just as Annie said this is definitly the word for the hour.

I wonder why Chertoff would make such a public
statement?

"Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

The Lord gave us a way to be sure we are doing the will of the Father.
If we will pray the prayer He gave us, with all of our heart every day, and at times many times during the day. Father, thy will be done in me.
If His will is being done in you then you will be doing His Will.

Matthew 6:9-13
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. [10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. [11] Give us this day our daily bread. [12] And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. [13] And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Our confidence must be in The Rock.

Hebrews 3:6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Psalm 18:2
The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

Psalm 27:5
For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.

Psalm 95:1
O come, let us sing unto the Lord: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.

Let us all make a joyful noise unto our Rock.

In HIs Love
pastorfrin

I just came across this thread...it is so interesting. I too have a feeling of urgency, but not sure what to do...need to stay still and listen.

My husband has just recently started going to church again. I am praying the Lord will light a fire in him...I have switched to his church as I was starving for Truth at the church I was at. Not that the Pastor didn't teach truth, but because it was all manpowered..if that makes sense. The Pastor at our current church is a praying man. He loves the Lord and is urgently seeking to claim everyone he meets for the Kingdom. What a difference! The Lord speaks at our services, not man. (and I mean through His Word, not theatrics)

I apologize...back to subject.

My husband has a friend (who Travis thinks is fanatical, by the way) who feels the Lord has called him away from the City to prepare for the worst. He has built a house, he has stocked it with food and supplies what ever a person will need. I believe him. I think that he is hearing from God. 7 Years ago, I heard of people who were burying Bibles because they thought God was warning them that Bibles would be outlawed. and if they weren't burying them, they were writing Scripture in between the lines of secular books.

I think that this would fit here. Sorry if it doesn't.

MSeaman wrote:
I just came across this thread...it is so interesting. I too have a feeling of urgency, but not sure what to do...need to stay still and listen.

My husband has just recently started going to church again. I am praying the Lord will light a fire in him...I have switched to his church as I was starving for Truth at the church I was at. Not that the Pastor didn't teach truth, but because it was all manpowered..if that makes sense. The Pastor at our current church is a praying man. He loves the Lord and is urgently seeking to claim everyone he meets for the Kingdom. What a difference! The Lord speaks at our services, not man. (and I mean through His Word, not theatrics)

I apologize...back to subject.

My husband has a friend (who Travis thinks is fanatical, by the way) who feels the Lord has called him away from the City to prepare for the worst. He has built a house, he has stocked it with food and supplies what ever a person will need. I believe him. I think that he is hearing from God. 7 Years ago, I heard of people who were burying Bibles because they thought God was warning them that Bibles would be outlawed. and if they weren't burying them, they were writing Scripture in between the lines of secular books.

I think that this would fit here. Sorry if it doesn't.

Hi Melissa,

Quote:

I just came across this thread...it is so interesting. I too have a feeling of urgency, but not sure what to do...need to stay still and listen.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Philip. 4:6-7
Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. [7] And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

The Lord has promised to take care of those who are his and we need to trust in His methods of accomplishing this.

Paul describes it this way:
Philip. 4:11-13
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content. [12] I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. [13] I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Quote:

My husband has a friend (who Travis thinks is fanatical, by the way) who feels the Lord has called him away from the City to prepare for the worst. He has built a house, he has stocked it with food and supplies what ever a person will need.

If we have are barns full and every thing put away in a safe place for us to keep ourselves and family will this save us? Do we then arm ourselves and kill those who come seeking food? You see when we begin to trust in our own abilities we put ourselves in a position
To trust in the arm of the flesh and not in the Lord, and thus we will be cursed.

Jeremiah 17:5-8
Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord. [6] For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. [7] Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is. [8] For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

We must put our trust in the Lord and put our hope in Him; for it is He who said “Fear not for I am with you always”

Matthew 6:31-34
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? [32] (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. [33] But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. [34] Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

In His Love
pastorfrin

Pastorfrin,
Thank you for your reply.

While at my church for intercessory prayer last night, our Pastor shared that in his private prayer time the Lord has been impressing on him to fast and pray, but also that he has been feeling "destruction" is coming. He is not promoting fear, but trust in God to take care of His own.

Although I must admit to fear of the unknown, yet I know that my Salvation is in the Lord. He is my Shield and my Fortress.

I am praying daily for the Lord to help me to understand His ways and follow Him closer and closer. I must press in as never before.

Again, thank you for your reply.

Hi Melissa,

You are welcome. It is not uncommon to fear the unknown and we all at times suffer from fear.
It is what we do when we experience moments of fear that matters.
He has promised to never leave us nor forsake us and His perfect love casteth out all fear.
In Him we live and move and have our being, and it is these things we think on when fear tries to enter in.
Above all else, remember --
"The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you"

In His Love
pastorfrin

Hello friends in Christ.i am new here but have been reading for some time, especially on this particular thread.
i must say that i also sense this and have for a year now.
i am not one to follow after so called prophets and apostles and am very careful in who i submit myself to in the Spirit.
a friend of mine dan gave me thsi man's ministry site and resources and i cannot help but know that what this man says comes from the Lord as it is Biblically sound.
if anyone has heard of Prophet Jonathan Hansen you know that this Man of God left all to follow Christ and is one who can be compared to Ezekiel in his ministry and lifestyle.
Prophet Hansen vocally comes against the prosperity gospel, false doctrine and speaks well of David Wilkerson and such ministries.
Prophet Hansen, after being investigated in his prophetic utterances by an independant source, was found to be 100% accurate in his uterrances.
This man is a Man who knows his God!
He gave a massive prophecy for the USA years ago and gave times, dates, and places where things will occur.
He speaks of all of it coming to pass BEFORE 2009.
You may read it here: (After the prophetic word, at the bottom of the page, are several PDF files with specific words from the Lord on times, places and dates)

http://www.worldministries.org/america.html#top

Hi MM,

I believe the Lord always prepares those who are His for what is ahead.
John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

I see in your dream the church swallowed up in the sea of humanity, tossed to and fro, and caught up with the cares of this world. This comes to a point or place of decision. When this happens there is a time of conviction and so people fight and argue and blame one another, in many ways like what is happening today. I see a righteous indignation where the truly called step forth at this time and proclaim the truth of Jesus Christ with no regard for their lives.

For what its worth,
I do not claim to be an interpreter, just sharing what came to me upon reading your post.

In His Love
pastorfrin

Hi Annie,

Yes hatred is not a fruit of the Spirit and not an emotion one in the body of Christ can have.
I know many will say yes you can, but think what hatred really does. Hatred does not keep you from sin it causes you to sin.
Speaking of Alexander MacLaren, here is an article by him.
I think you will enjoy this ......

The World's Hatred,
As Christ Saw It
by
Alexander MacLaren
(1826-1910)

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But all these things will they do unto you for My name’s sake, because they
know not Him that sent Me. If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had
not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. He that hateth Me, hateth
My Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none ether man
did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both Me and
My Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is
written in their law, They hated Me without a cause’ — John 15:21-25

Our Lord has been speaking of the world’s hostility to His followers, and
tracing that to its hostility to Himself. In these solemn words of our text He
goes still deeper, and parallels the relation which His disciples bear to Him
and the consequent hostility that falls on them, with the relation which He
bears to the Father and the consequent hostility that falls on Him: ‘They
hate you because they hate Me.’ And then His words become sadder and
pierce deeper, and with a tone of wounded love and disappointed effort
and almost surprise at the world’s requital to Him, He goes on to say,
‘They hate Me, because they hate the Father.’

So, then, here we have, in very pathetic and solemn words, Christ’s view
of the relation of the world to Him and to God.

I. The first point that He signalises is the world’s ignorance.

‘These things they will do unto you,’ and they will do them ‘for My name’s
sake’; they will do them ‘ because they know not Him that sent Me.’
‘The world,’ in Christ’s language, is the aggregate of godless men. Or, to
put it a little more sharply, our Lord, in this context, gives in His full
adhesion to that narrow view which divides those who have come under
the influence of His truth into two portions. There is no mincing of the
matter in the antithesis which Christ here draws; no hesitation, as if there
were a great central mass, too bad for a blessing perhaps, but too good for
a curse; which was neither black nor white, but neutral grey. No! however
it may be with the masses beyond the reach of the dividing and revealing
power of His truth, the men that come into contact with Him, like a heap
of metal filings brought into contact with a magnet, mass themselves into
two bunches, the one those who yield to the attraction, and the other those
who do not. The one is ‘My disciples,’ and the other is ‘the world.’ And
now, says Jesus Christ, all that mass that stands apart from Him, and,?611
having looked upon Him with the superficial eye of those men round about
Him at that day, or of the men who hear of Him now, have no real love to
Him — have, as the underlying motive of their conduct and their feelings, a
real ignorance of God. ‘They know not Him that sent Me.’

Our Lord assumes that He is so completely the Copy and Revealer of the
divine nature as that any man that looks upon Him has had the opportunity
of becoming acquainted with God, and that any man who turns away from
Him has lost that opportunity. The God that the men who do not love
Jesus Christ believe in, is not the Father that sent Him. It is a fragment, a
distorted image tinted by the lens. The world has its conception of God;
but outside of Jesus Christ and His manifestation of the whole divine
nature, the world’s God is but a syllable, a fragment, a broken part of the
perfect completeness. ‘The Father of an infinite majesty,’ and of as infinite
a tenderness, the stooping God, the pitying God, the forgiving God, the
loving God is known only where Christ is accepted. In other hearts He may
be dimly hoped for, in other hearts He may be half believed in, in other
hearts He may be thought possible; but hopes and anticipations and fears
and doubts are not knowledge, and they who see not the light in Christ see
but the darkness. Out of Him God is not known, and they that turn away
from His beneficent manifestation turn their faces to the black north, from
which no sun can shine. Brother, do you know God in Christ? Unless you
do, you do not know the God who is.

But there is a deeper meaning in that word than simply the possession of
true thoughts concerning the divine nature. We know God as we know one
another; because God is a Person, as we are persons, and the only way to
know persons is through familiar acquaintance and sympathy. So the world
which turns away from Christ has no acquaintance with God.
This is a surface fact. Our Lord goes on to show what lies below it.

II. His second thought here is — the world’s ignorance in the face of
Christ’s light is worse than ignorance; it is sin.

Mark how He speaks: ‘If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had
not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.’ And then again: ‘If I
had not done amongst them the works which none other men did, they had
not had sin.’ So then He puts before us two forms of His manifestation of
the divine nature, by His words and His works. Of these two He puts His
words foremost, as being a deeper and more precious and brilliant?612
revelation of what God is than are His miracles. The latter are subordinate,
they come as a second source of illumination. Men who will not see the
beauty and listen to the truth that lie in His word may perchance be led by
His deed. But the word towers in its nature high above the work, and the
miracle to the word is but like the picture in the child’s book to the text, fit
for feeble eyes and infantile judgments, but containing far less of the
revelation of God than the sacred words which He speaks. First the words,
next the miracles.

But notice, too, how decisively, and yet simply and humbly and
sorrowfully, our Lord here makes a claim which, on the lips of any but
Himself, would have been mere madness of presumption. Think of any of
us saying that our words made all the difference between innocent
ignorance and criminality! Think of any of us saying that to listen to us, and
not be persuaded, was the sin of sins! Think of any of us pointing to our
actions and saying, In these God is so manifest that not to see Him augurs
wickedness, and is condetonation! And yet Jesus Christ says all this. And,
what is more wonderful, nobody wonders that He says it, and the world
believes that He is saying the truth when He says it.

How does that come? There is only one answer; only one. His words were
the illuminating manifestation of God, and His deeds were the plain and
unambiguous operation of the divine hand then and there, only because He
Himself was divine, and in Him ‘God was manifested in the flesh.’
But passing from that, notice how our Lord hers declares that in
comparison with the sin of not listening to His words, and being taught by
His manifestation, all other sins dwindle into nothing. ‘If I had not spoken,
they had not had sin.’ That does not mean, of course, that these men would
have been clear of all moral delinquency; it does not mean that there would
not have been amongst them crimes against their own consciences, crimes
against the law written on their own hearts, crimes against the law of
revelation. There were liars, impure men, selfish men, and men committing
all the ordinary forms of human transgression amongst them. And yet, says
Christ, black and bespattered as these natures are, they are white in
comparison with the blackness of the man who, looking into His face, sees
nothing there that he should desire. Beside the mountain belching out its
sulphurous flame the little pimple of a molehill is nought. And so, says
Christ, heaven heads the count of sirra with this — unbelief.

Ah, brother, as light grows responsibility grows, and this is the misery of
all illumination that comes through Jesus Christ, that where it does not
draw a man into His sweet love, and fill him with the knowledge of God
which is eternal life, it darkens his nature and aggravates his condemnation,
and lays a heavier burden upon his soul. The truth that the measure of light
is the measure of guilt has many aspects. It turns a face of alleviation to the
dark places’ of the earth; but just in the measure that it lightens the
condemnation of the heathen, it adds weight to the condemnation of you
men and women who are bathed in the light of Christianity, and all your
days have had it streaming in upon you. The measure of the guilt is the
brightness of the light. No shadows are so black as those which the intense
sunshine of the tropics casts. And you and I live in the very tropical regions
of divine revelation, and ‘if we turn away from Him that spoke on earth
and speaketh from heaven, of how much sorer punishment, think you, shall
we be thought worthy’ than those who live away out in the glimmering
twilight of an unevangelised paganism, or who stood by the side of Jesus
Christ when they had only His earthly life to teach them?

III. The ignorance which is sin is the manifestation of hatred.

Our Lord has sorrowfully contemplated the not knowing God, which in the
blaze of His light can only come from wilful closing of the eyes, and is
therefore the very sin of sins. But that, sad as it is, is not all which has to he
said about that blindness of unbelief in Him. It indicates a rooted alienation
of heart and mind and will from God, and is, in fact, the manifestation of an
unconscious but real hatred. It is an awful saying, and one which the lips ‘
into which grace was poured’ could not pronounce without a sigh. But it is
our wisdom to listen to what it was His mercy to say.

Observe our Lord’s identification of Himself with the Father, so as that the
feelings with which men regard Him are, ipso facto, the feelings with which
they regard the Father God. ‘He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father.’
‘He that hath loved Me hath loved the Father.’ ‘He that hath hated He hath
hated the Father.’ An ugly word — a word that a great many of us think
far too severe and harsh to be applied to men who simply are indifferent to
the divine love. Some say, ‘I am conscious of no hatred. I do not pretend
to be a Christian, but I do not hate God. Take the ordinary run of people
round about us in the world; if you say God is not in all their thoughts, I
agree with you; but if you say that they hate God, I do not believe it.’?614
Well, what do you think the fact that men go through their days and weeks
and months and years, and have not God in all their thoughts, indicates as
to the central feeling of their hearts towards God? Granted that there is not
actual antagonism, because there is no thought at all, do you think it would
be possible for a man who loved God to go on for a twelvemonth and
never think of, or care to please, or desire to be near, the object that he
loved? And inasmuch as, deep down at the bottom of our moral being,
there is no such thing possible as indifference and a perfect equipoise in
reference to God, it is clear enough, I think, that — although the word
must not be pressed as if it meant conscious and active antagonism, —
where there is no love there is hate.

If a man does not love God as He is revealed to him in Jesus Christ, he
neither cares to please Him nor to think about Him, nor does he order his
life in obedience to His commands. And if it be true that obedience is the
very life-breath of love, disobedience or non-obedience is the manifestation
of antagonism, and antagonism towards God is the same thing as hate.
Dear friends, I want some of my hearers to-day who have never honestly
asked themselves the question of what their relation to God is, to go down
into the deep places of their hearts and test themselves by this simple
inquiry: ‘Do I do anything to please Him? Do I try to serve Him? Is it a joy
to me to be near Him? Is the thought of Him a delight, like a fountain in
the desert or the cool shadow of a great rock in the blazing wilderness? Do
I turn to Him as my Home, my Friend, my All? If I do not, am I not
deceiving myself by fancying that I stand neutral?’ There is no neutrality in
a man’s relation to God. It is one thing or other. ‘Ye cannot serve God and
Mammon.’ ‘The friendship of the world is enmity against God.’
IV. And now, lastly, note how our Lord here touches the deep thought
that this ignorance, which is sin, and is more properly named hatred, is
utterly irrational and causeless.

‘All this will they do that it might be fulfilled which is written in their law,
They hated Me without a cause.’ One hears sighing through these words
the Master’s meek wonder that His love should be so met, and that the
requital which He receives at men’s hands, for such an unexampled and
lavish outpouring of it, should be such a carelessness, reposing upon a
hidden basis of such a rooted alienation.?

‘Without a cause’; yes! that suggests the deep thought that the most
mysterious and irrational thing in men’s whole history and experience is the
way in which they recompense God in Christ for what He has done for
them. ‘Be astonished, O ye heavens! and wonder, O ye earth!’ said one of
the old prophets; the mystery of mysteries, which can give no account of
itself to satisfy reason, which has no apology, excuse, or vindication, is just
that when God loves me I do not love Him back again; and that when
Christ pours out the whole fullness of His heart upon me, my dull and
obstinate heart gives back so little to Him who has given me so much.
‘Without a cause.’ Think of that Cross; think, as every poor creature on
earth has a right to think, that he and she individually were in the mind and
heart of the Saviour when He suffered and died, and then think of what we
have brought Him for it. De we not stand ashamed at — if I might use so
trivial a word, — the absurdity as well as at the criminality of our requital?
Causeless love on the one side, occasioned by . nothing but itself, and
causeless indifference on the other, occasioned by nothing but itself, are the
two powers that meet in this mystery — men’s rejection of the infinite love
of God.

My friend, come away from the unreasonable people, come away from the
men who can give no account of their attitude. Come away from those
who pay benefits by carelessness, and a Love that died by an indifference
that will not cast an eye upon that miracle of mercy, and let His love kindle
the answering flame in your hearts. Then you will know God as only they
who love Christ know Him, and in the sweetness of a mutual bond will lose
the misery of self, and escape the deepening condemnation of those who
see Christ on the Cross and do not care for the sight, nor learn by it to
know the infinite tenderness and holiness of the Father that sent Him.

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In His Love
pastorfrin

Hi LittleGift,

Thank you for the prophecy ‘Walking on Water’.
If one is waiting to see certain things happen before they commit all to Christ, then it will be too late. Even the elect would be deceived if it were possible. Those who claim to be Christ and trust in the arm of the flesh now, will continue to do so and those who are committed to Christ now, will be strengthened then.
John 5:25
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

We may all experience walking on water and eating manna before our eyes behold Him.

Dear Lord, may we have ears to hear and eyes to see what your Spirit is saying and doing today.

In His Love
pastorfrin

Hi Anonymous and all my brothers and sisters in the Lord,

Greetings, In Jesus Name:

Quote:
"If it were possible, even the elect would be deceived. If we think we can't be deceived we already are."
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You know I had not thought of it until reading this; being deceived is ‘Something very Horrible’.

If all we do is not motivated by love then we are deceived. The enemy would be thrilled if we would all simply accept what is taught as fact and never compare it with the Word of God. I have had people come to me after a sermon and say, pastor I do not like or agree with what you said. I then ask them what it is they disagree with and sure enough it will not be what I said, but what the Word of God says. I show them in the word and let them read it and some will still say, I do not agree with that, I then tell them their disagreement is with God. So many today are not founded in the Word and will disagree with it but fully go along with fables.
Something Horrible, yes, this must be why Jesus said:

Matthew 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

There is really no excuse for those who do not know or refuse to follow the Word of God.

2 Tim. 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

All are warned of those who will come:

2 Tim. 3:13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

quote:
"It appears that in the last days, control will be more of an issue than doctrine alone.
The 'personality' of the leader is the most important aspect to look at when joining a group or Church or whatever."
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If you can get people to not question and simply follow, you will have a group that will do anything you ask them to do, even take the lives of others who are seen as against God or against the perceived true people of God.

Matthew 24:9
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Luke 21:16-17
And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. [17] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

This will be the religious system led by those men who have complete control over their followers, those who never question but blindly follow. Yes, it will be a cult made up of religion and they will hate the Truth.

Rather chilling isn’t it? ‘Something Horrible’. Watch!

In His Love
pastorfrin

PS Happy Sunday :-), Hope its a great one for you
as well.

Hi LittleGift,

Very good post sister. Why is it so hard for people to see that those many of those killing
followers of Christ will think they are doing God a favor?
John 16:2
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Here is an article by Gavin Finley that deals with how easy it will be to fall into the group that truly believes they are doing God a favor.
This is chapter 17 from:
Puritan History Past, Present, and Future

THE FUTURE OF THE PURITANS
By Gavin Finley
What will the future hold for the Puritans? For those who walk with God and have a biblical world view shaped by Bible prophecy the answer to this question is well known. The apocalyptic scriptures are quite clear. The final seven years of this age will open up into a history of epic, even Biblical proportions.
The 70th week of Daniel will be a time of trial and tribulation for all who dwell upon this earth. In those times to come the hearts of many will ponder the weighty covenant issues of God. It will be a time of decision and new resolve. Many nominal Christians will fall away from the faith. Others will press in closer to discover a new deeper relationship with God. They will find themselves carried across a threshold. In a serendipity they will find themselves drawn deeper into the divine romance. It will be an adventure, and an experience far more wonderful than they have ever known. The prophet Daniel inquired about this seeming paradox. He was given this cryptic message by the angel Gabriel,

7b " ......... and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.
8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, "My lord, what shall be the end of these things?"
9 And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand."
But Daniel was also told,
3 Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever.
So what about the Puritans in that epic future time?
What lies out there in the future for them?
Certainly they will never let go of their dream of an earthly 'nation under God'. This is a God given dream. But will they continue to believe that they can expect to see this come to pass in the New World and in this age? Will they continue to believe that their dream of a better world can be achieved under the present angelic principalities, rulers and powers and under the present human rulers of the present world system?
We can expect the Puritans to be sorely tempted and tested in all this. Will they ever compromise their beliefs in the exclusivity of the Christian faith as the ecumenicals have done? Surely this would be impossible for Puritan Christians. However, we can be sure that this is precisely what they will be asked to do. Being the politically engaged Christians that they are there is a very real danger of deadly compromise here. Will they enter into negotiations for a leading role in the emerging New World Order? God forbid! But what might happen if they do? How far will they go? Will they forget their faith and calling in Christ and sell themselves to a compromised ecumenical socialistic New World Order?
Pray God that they will never do this. But if the Puritans are indeed willing to compromise their faith as holy history moves onwards into the 70th week what will become of them?
Will the negotiations turn out well?
Perhaps they might. For a season perhaps. Perhaps those first 3.5 years of the final seven years of this age might offer them a chance for immense prosperity and power. So what might the Puritans do as the Apocalypse opens up? Where will they be when a harlot, rides a beast with ten horns? And later on, when a prince turns out to be a beast, the opposite of the Disney story, what will they do then? And what will happen as history moves on and the midpoint of the 70th week leads into the final three and a half years under the Antichrist and his 666 system?
These are serious questions for us to consider. What will happen to the Puritans as this age approaches its appointed climax? Will they continue on in active politics? Will they try to plot a course between the Devil and the deep blue sea? If they do then there is no doubt that they will find themselves between a Rock and a hard place. Hopefully they will choose the Rock, even the "Rock of Ages", and commit themselves totally to Him.
How about the Puritan proclivity for politicking for a righteous and Godly society? After the midweek abomination of desolation and the emergence of the 666 economic system will they give up on their earthly goal? Will they decide that this vision of a Kingdom Now is a fruitless task and an impossible dream? Will they decide to wait for Messiah to return to bring in the Kingdom? This would be a significant step towards the Pilgrim position. As the time of tribulation opens up will the Puritans back away from their temporal hopes in the governments of men and turn to face the real Master of their destiny?
If they do decide to forgo their earthly goal then all is not lost. The vision of that shining Celestial City will still be there before them. Will the Puritans realize then that they must continue on the Pilgrim pathway a bit further? Will they put down their sword, (or gun)? Will they take up their cross and follow Jesus their Messiah? Will they rejoin the Pilgrims on the highway of holiness, even toward the final witness of the 5th seal?
Up there ahead on the pathway the road forks.
Some Puritans may choose the low road, yes this is true.
And some Pilgrims may choose the low road as well.
But the Highway of Holiness lies before them. (Isa.35)
And it leads upwards. The Paradise Road beckons them onwards.
Which pathway will they choose?
This is an interesting question. After all, the Puritans are, and always have been, on a spiritual and an historical interface with their brethren, the Pilgrim separatists. They have been friends since the scriptures came out of the monasteries in the 1500's and found Johannes Gutenberg's new printing presses. Back in 1620 as those Pilgrims and Puritans landed and signed the Mayflower Compact the flux was from Pilgrim to Puritan.
In times to come could we see the opposite?
In times to come will it be from Puritan to Pilgrim?
Back in 1620 many of the Pilgrims crossed over and signed on with the Puritans when they signed the Mayflower Compact. In covenanting to become one "body politic" they were now setting aside their pilgrim role to becoming nation builders. With a decision of the heart and a stroke of the pen the Pilgrims had becomer Puritans. Will the process be reversed next time? Will the Puritans cross over and join the Pilgrims in those epic future days of decision? Or will they take up the sword and continue to adopt the Constantinian patriotic military stance against their future arch enemies?
The culture and literature of America demonstrates many prophetic elements. The Battle Hymn of the Republic is a case in point. It certainly portrays a climactic, even apocalyptic American history. The Pax Americana abuts right into the the end of the age. What if American history interfaces with the 70th week of Daniel? Have we even thought about that possibility? How will the Puritans deal with the matter of peace in the Middle east? Will they continue to support Israel? And how will they deal with the rising clamor of the Third Jihad? A global peacemaker will broker an epic global peace covenant? - Dan.9:27 Who will this be? And just how will the Puritans be disposed towards him? And at the middle 70th week the global peacemaker will betray the nation of Israel. Just how will they handle this? And how will they deal with the subsequent 666 beast system? Will they be against him? Or united with him?
If the Puritans do war against the coming Antichrist then what sort of a conflict will that turn out to be? Will it all end with a bang? - Or a whimper? Will patriots become 'freedom fighters' once again? Or will they be labeled terrorists? That will depend on who is writing the headlines at the time.
What if the New World Order transitions into the final 4th beast system of Daniel chapter 7? How will that play out?
One thing we know for a certainty. If Christendom does enter the end time drama and figures that they will try to take on the Antichrist system then they may as well know what God says about it. That campaign will go very badly. The Holy Scriptures tell us clearly and unmistakably what the outcome will be.
They will lose.
See Dan.7:21, Dan.18:9-12, Dan.8:24 and Dan. 12:7, Rev.13:7
The prophet Daniel fainted when he saw the vision. When the 'little horn' wages war on the saints and the mighty men it will not be a pretty sight. Those who take up arms against him will be defeated. ~Dan.8:27 In such a military action God, it appears, will not be disposed to support His people. They will be acting on their own. God has determined that the end time will be a time for witness. And it is hard for saints to witness of the things of Christ over a smoking gun.
Jesus has shown us His example. We saw Him face up to the witness in the Garden of Gethsemane. Jesus has also instructed us to
'Be as wise as serpents, and as harmless as doves". (Mat.10:16)
For Pilgrim Christians the words of Jesus still speak to us in the Olivet Discourse. Our coming Messiah is the Prince of Peace. Yet it was in the Garden of Gethsemane, the oil press, and the place of crushing, that Peter had some misgivings about the plans and purposes of God. He reacted in anger. He struck the servant of the high priest with his sword. He cut off his ear.
How well do people hear us share the Gospel when we are striking off their ears? The old returning crusaders might tell us if they were able to sit down with us and talk. But then again, they might not. They might be too ashamed to speak of these things. How well do people hear the gentle wooing of the Bridegroom in the strife and clamor of battle? Are we as Pilgrim Christians called to bring in the Kingdom with the force of the sword?
Let us take a trip back to the time of the early church. Just how did the saints back then handle opposition and persecution? Did we see any of our 12 Apostles take up the sword save in this incident with Peter here? Every one of the Apostles was martyred, except John. Take a quick read through the Acts of the Apostles. Did any of the apostles or the early Christians show any survivalist inclinations whatsoever? Did the disciples enlist the aid of the zealots to support Jesus and themselves and their property?
Well we know one that did.
His name was Judas Iscario.
And we know what happened to him.
Let us return to the Garden of Gethsemane, the place of the oil press.
Jesus was right in the midst of his hour of trial.
He was approached by armed men with swords and torches.
Peter struck out with the sword. It had to happen.
There is an exceedingly important lesson here for us.
Jesus said to Peter,
"Put your sword back into its place,
for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
These words of instruction still hold for us today. Jesus brings an extremely important message for us here. The end-time Puritans and Pilgrims will be sorely tested. We shall witness before people who will often be frightened and angry. We shall come to know the cup of Christ just as the early church did. Of that we can be sure. The Christian discipline of 'grace under fire' will be a new threshold for many Puritan fundamentalists.
It seems that American history is almost certainly going to enter into, (and be wrapped up in), the Apocalypse. This is even seen in that great American anthem the Battle Hymn of the Republic".
We cannot escape holy history. It has been written. So it will surely come to pass. Truly these will be times to get right with our God. Somewhere up ahead the American Puritans and Pilgrims will enter into a serendipity. They will find themselves led by history and wooed by God into the End time Revival.
No group of Christians has been so focussed on spiritual things and Bible prophecy as the American evangelicals have been. They seem to sense that their history will somehow lead them into the climactic events at the end of this present age. American Christians buy huge amounts of religious information, books, tapes, videos etc. Many want to find out about the end-time drama. Others want to buy sugar coated religious assurances. Some want their hired churchmen to tell them that they don't need to worry about these things. For these people it is "business as usual". But their self-adsorbed slumbers will not last forever. At some point in the future they will face the Apocalypse and the Day of Reckoning.
Shouldn't we be mindful of these things?
Shouldn't we prepare our hearts right now?
We are now living in the days and history of the Pax Americana. Our history may soon slip out from beneath our own personal control. Our lives may not be always tucked away neatly inside our own little boxes. God has our number. And He has our address. And He knows our ways. Even now He is standing at the door and knocking.
Like Christian, in Pilgrim's Progress, we may soon find that we have come to a strait gate. It is a difficult passage. Many will baulk at this gate. Many will be offended. But the pathway leads us onto the highway of holiness (Isa.35) and towards the Holy City.
Many are the challenges Christendom has faced in these past 2,000 years. For those who call themselves Christians there is another big checkpoint up ahead. It is the Gate of Joseph. It seems that God is requiring something more of us in the "personal commitment and integrity" department. God is calling out His people once again. The days ahead will call for a new ekklesia/congregation for God's Elect. He is drawing us, even wooing us into a deeper blood covenant walk with Him. He is knocking at the door of our heart.
Can we hear Him?
The days are soon coming when the books of Daniel and Revelation will be unsealed. (Dan.12:4) For those whom God is calling this knowledge of what God is doing in Bible prophecy will be more important than turning on CNN, MSNBC, or Fox, (the crusader television network). When the saints open up their Bibles and face the facts there will be some revelations. The normal and appropriate response to all this is not to get fearful or angry. It is to get on our knees before God.
The times will come when our lives will be changed forever. Our own heart attitude will change as well. God is calling us into all this. Such things happen when those epic times come, the times that try men's souls. We shall come face to face with the God of history. He is the Ancient of Days,(Dan.7:9) the Holy One of Israel. The Sovereign God sits in the heavens. He is the One who judges in the end-time affairs of men and nations. He calls the shots. He stills the waves of the sea and the raging of nations. The time will come when the popular syrupy eschatology of the end-time will no longer suffice. We may have paid good money for it. But it will be in the dumpster. It will be time to "Wake up and smell the coffee." This sort of soporific pap just won't "cut it" anymore.
Easy believism has always gone down well with the religious masses. Soporific religion is a multi billion dollar a year business. The religious bazaars today are doing a roaring trade. The selling of motivational programs with a religious twist and the dream of the "self-made man" is mixed in with a host of salable religious materials produced by 'Merchandising of the Anointing'. Then there are today's modern "indulgences" especially prepared for semi-committed Christians living on the carnal side of their nature. The most popular end-time dream evangelicals purchase is the 170 year old pre-tribulation rapture dream. In this dream carnal minimal Christians don't have to worry about their responsibility in Christian witness at the end of the age. Not at all. Because they figure that they won't be here!
Can fundamentalist Christians really imagine that they can abandon ship and leave everybody behind like that? Are we as western evangelicals just yellow deserters?
God forbid! Corrie Ten Boom has warned us about this very thing.
This is very disturbing. Jesus has told us to
"Take up your cross and follow me." But many of His followers today have turned away from the Way of the cross. At present many seem to be tilting towards the harlot spirit who whispers seductively saying, "I sit as a queen, and I will see no sorrow". (Rev.18:7)
Oh yes, we are bound for glory. This is a wonderful assurance God gives us. But what if the Glory Train leaves at the end of the 7 year drama, like after we have finished the climactic end-time witness? What if His return is not at the beginning as we have been told? Are we prepared? Do we have the oil of anointing? Do we have the oil for our lamps against the coming night?
Time passes on. The nations rage against sure knowledge of the coming Messiah and bring in new histories. But God is in control here. History is "His story". He sets the main characters in time and space. He has His protagonists in place and on stage of history at the right time. And the antagonists come out as well to make their play. The plot thickens as we find out just what is motivating these characters. The 'mystery of Godliness' and the 'mystery of iniquity' are on the same stage together! The play reveals these characters for who they really are. The actors make their play before men and angels, acting out their epic choices of the heart. Their choices lead on to personal triumph or disaster. Oh yes, this is no longer a voyeuristic Hollywood melodrama climaxed with a love scene or a chase scene or a big explosion with all the action being "out there". The drama is now happening up close and personal. It is all happening right inside our own heart. Soon we shall be making our own actions for all time and eternity. Do we know what our testimony will be?
Two roads will open up before us, and a choice. The low road leads to Apostasy and a lost eternity of torment in hell.
But there is an alternative to this. God has placed before us a highway for people who have resolved to be set apart or consecrated to Him. This highway leads into an End Time Revival of unimaginable splendor.
Then comes the grand conclusion to the epic relay race of the saints. The fireworks show comes to a climax in a grand finale. Many will be the surprises revealed to us at the end. The Apocalypse is not all doom and gloom. It certainly is a curtain of horror for the wicked. But for the called, the chosen, and the faithful God has a wonderful unexpected serendipity. We find ourselves under His covering. He is with us in our hour of trial. And when all is said and done the final acts of the play lead us into a joyful reconciliation in another Kingdom. There is, after all is said and done, a storybook ending. The Bride and the Prince live happily ever after.
God is in control here below. He has written the Play of the Ages. History is "His story". It is not a meaningless cycle or an unending "balance" of ying and yang as eastern mysticism has hypnotized us to believe. History is linear and teleological. Our God is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning (in creation), and the end, on the Day of the Lord. Holy history, or as our German friends call it, "heilsgeschicte" or "salvation history" comes to a great and glorious conclusion. The God of history is taking us on a road. It is a road with a fork, each road of which leads somewhere. History has a meaning. It has a purpose. Men and nations are sifted like wheat. They are refined in the fire. The dross is skimmed off as the gold is refined. Oh yes, humanistic man can play God with their programs, their algorithms, their thesis and an antithesis, and their beloved "synthesis". But all this must be judged by God Almighty in the crucible of holy history. The days of deals and compromise will eventually come to an end. Eventually there must be a climax to the story. Someone will be coming. And He will reconcile the accounts, even on a Day of Atonement. The scriptures tell us that Christ Himself will come again. He will return to judge the wicked and deliver His saints. He Himself will bring His final judgment and conclusion to the matter!
The angels are watching from above as events unfold down here, even from out of this fallen creation. The gathering lights shine in splendor dispelling the darkness. ~ Heb.12:1 And the myriad company of Abraham, as a wedding party, with lamps shining brightly passes up along the highway of holiness. ~Isa.35
History goes somewhere. It is not just an endless series of meaningless circles of life and death as our gurus of eastern mysticism would like us to believe. Our God began His work of redemption in the Garden of Eden six millennia ago. ~ Gen.3:15 And He will finish His work before the sun sets on this age. He will bring His magnificent story to its appointed conclusion at His set time. Holy history will unfold in a day of judgement for the wicked and a blaze of glory for the righteous just as it was written. (Rev.19:11-21:8)
As for the Puritans we should harbor no doubts about their continuing zeal. Nor should we doubt their willingness to finish the course set before them. Right from their early beginnings they regarded their life in God as a great adventure. It would seem that the Puritans are already up on stage. And in some future year they will come to the climax of their history. And there they will embrace their destiny.
What will happen? One thing we can say with some assurance. The American Puritans are up front and center! Right now, at this point in history, they are it! That is until the seven year peace treaty is forged with Israel which opens up the 70th week of Daniel. In those epic future times the coming Kingdom of God will be announced. Will it come in with the blowing of trumpets? One thing we can definitely say about that Day. With all those enormous opposing spiritual forces upon them the latter day Pilgrims and Puritans will most certainly usher in the most awesome and spellbinding history that this world has ever seen.
May God be with them and preserve them.
Grace and peace to all who love His appearing.
http://endtimepilgrim.org/

Hi moe_mac,

The last five verses pretty much sum up what the chapter is about and what the ‘Something Horrible’ is about.

Ezekiel 33:29-33
Then shall they know that I am the Lord, when I have laid the land most desolate because of all their abominations which they have committed.
[30] Also, thou son of man, the children of thy people still are talking against thee by the walls and in the doors of the houses, and speak one to another, every one to his brother, saying, Come, I pray you, and hear what is the word that cometh forth from the Lord. [31] And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness. [32] And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument: for they hear thy words, but they do them not. [33] And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.

To all who will see and hear.

Is it not something horrible, when the so called people of God are warned of the coming sword and all they give to it is lip service and continue on seeking after the things of this world? When they have ears that only hear what will make them feel good and eyes that only look upon their own reflection and the goods of this world.
How many say in their heart, I am waiting for something to happen that will prove to me that God is God and then will I believe and commit all to Him.
Well something is going to happen and you will follow after the god you are seeking, but it will not be the Righteous One, but it will be the god of deception, the master of covetousness and the worker of all kinds of signs and wonders, yes you will follow him and he will deceive you because of your lust to see. You will be one of those who kill the true children of God, and you will be doing your god a favor.
Something, oh so Horrible!
See God’s Word, see what it is saying to you, see before the darkness comes and it is too late.

Rev. 3:14-22
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; [15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. [16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. [17] Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: [18] I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. [19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. [20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. [21] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. [22] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

“Then shall they know that I am the Lord, when I have laid the land most desolate because of all their abominations which they have committed.”

But THEN it will be to Late!

In His Love
pastorfrin

Hi LittleGift,

I saw a fire in the Tube (underground). I ran to get to the exit, but there were many people hurrying towards the platform, towards the fire. I tried to warn them but they took no notice. I even started running back towards the fire, shouting "STOP! Fire!" to try and stop them going any further - many had already passed me, going into that danger - but it was no good.

"I tried to warn them but they took no notice."
"but it was no good."

We must continue to try, we must continue to try!
While we are able, while we still have breath, let us 'warn' the night is approaching.

I have a question for all who believe God is about to pass judgment upon America.
Where does the Word say that God’s judgment must begin?

1 Peter 4:12-19
Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: [13] But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. [14] If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. [15] But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. [16] Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. [17] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? [18] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? [19] Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Now, since judgment is to begin at the house of God: is there not something that all who claim, to be a part of His house, should be doing?

In His Love
pastorfrin

sis Jeannette Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose BLood we are Saved.AMEN.

the dream which you had brings to mind a dream which i was given which is yet fresh in my mind since it was last week. i couldn't make heads or tails of it till last sunday when i shared it with bro Rahman whom our Lord used to bring the iterpretation of it. i shall share it here as a testimony that i bear witness to what our Lord showed you in your own dream.

i couldn't find where i had written it down originally but our Lord brought it to rememberance with some more details which i had missed in the initial writing down of it so it's all good. may our Lord minister to us through this. AMEN.

[b]8/9/07
Today i woke up from a dream which i had which was very vivid. In the dream, i saw a family of 5, the parents and 3 children and they were picnicking in a clearing. The children were all boys, the older 2 perhaps 10 and 11 and the younger a toddler. Now there appeared 3 huge male lions and they walked around the family. The lion is tied to God in a unique manner as it is in one of Christ’s Titles; however i knew instantly that these lions were not affiliated with God but meant harm. i began to scream at the family to get away while there was yet time but i was ignored. The parents were busy eating and chatting away not paying too much mind to the children. The 3 became bold and began to play with the lions. The toddler had a rope which he would throw at the lions and hey would play with it and bring it back to him. Then he began to taunt the lions and hit them with the rope. He didn’t know any better and the older kids didn’t seem to try to keep him away from the lions. Then one of the lions got hold of the rope and began to pull the toddler away from the family. Nobody seemed to care, they looked but did nothing. Then i saw a horrific sight, the 3 lions began to tear the toddler to pieces among themselves. Not an eyelid was batted. At this stage i had been calling out for some time to no avail. Then i got into the family’s van and began to drive it around to them to get them. There was a fence between us so i drove a long it for a while to get to a gate and i had a hard time turning the wheel and getting the van in the right position to go through the gate because the gate was narrow. i hoped to scare the lions away and then get the family on the van. The lions ran off afraid and i got to the family and reluctantly they got on the van and we drove off. i woke up with my heart pounding. This doesn’t happen often at all and i pray God reveal the meaning of this to me.
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the interpretation:

[b]
8/12/07
Then i told bro Rahman about the dreams i had. Now the one which our Lord interpreted was the one about the family picnicking among the lions. Now the family is the Church. The father, (the pastorate) the mother and 3 children being successively older in the faith, the toddler being the youngest and not knowing the danger around him, this was the Church. My trying to get their attention and being ignored is symbolic of the watchmen of God warning the Church of the peril around her. The lions are the devil and his minions, prowling, merciless and vicious. The toddler, who knew no better, began to play with the lions and taunt them. The other 2 played with the lions but then when the lions began to pull the toddler away on the rope, they didn’t help. The parents paid this all no mind. The lions tore that toddler to pieces, that toddler represents the babes in Christ who are left to fend for themselves by those of us who are older in the Lord. The struggle to get the van close to the family and rescue them represents the difficulty in getting the Church back on track but getting them in the van speaks of the Victory we have as the Church despite our slumber. Praise our Lord for what He has done. AMEN.[/b]

Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.

Yes, Pastorfrin...we should be in deep travail...and if we have lost the burden to intercede for the Bride of Christ then we need to ask God to once again give us His Heart...

sis Jeannette

Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.

sis indeed the interpretation you gave was dead on. in fact earlier today i received and email from a dear brother in Zimbabwe to whom our Lord had given the meaning of the dream and it lines up with what bro Rahman and i concluded by His Grace, and also what our Lord showed you. if the truth be told, i had no idea what to make of it until God said through bro Rahman that thee father represented the pastors not looking out for the children but being preoccupied with other things. After that, it was as though Heaven opened and a gush or torrent of Revelation was poured out on me in that moment and it all became clear.

i read Ezekiel 34 and it is indeed an indictment written by God Himself against the shepherds of his flocks, his pastors which have not tended to the flocks as they ought and the result is some being devoured, chased away, hurt, diseased while they are fattened. let us pray for Mercy for these which God has appointed over us and hold them up in prayer that they and we ourselves may be made right with God. May our Lord reconcile us to Himself and by so doing reconcile us to one another.AMEN.

i bless God for what He has done in me for i would not have tried to do anything except He unctioned me to do so. When i woke up my heart was indeed pounding and i was quite agitated in my spirit because of the urgency of what i had been shown. Indeed sis what you have seen is our Lord's Own Heart for His people for my heart, wretched as it is couldn't do such. i bless God for giving me a new one! one of the things we bear as watchmen is the scourn, ridicule and disdain of our brethren sometimes. We expect it from the world but when it comes from the brethren, it is especially painful, if even we are hurt, how much more is our Lord hurting over this because it is not us who are being rejected by his people but it is Him.sometimes in an ironic twist (which God seems to like), the world is more receptive than the saints... May our Lord open our eyes!AMEN.

Well sis herewith is what i received from my dear brother in Zimbabwe:

[b]Greetings to you all,looking at Farai's account of the dream i would like to share my view of it.It seems as though the lions are forces of darkness as he rightly put for the word says the "devil is like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour". Now this family to me may seem to be members of the body like a fellowship. The parents being the elders or those placed in charge of the flock.The children being the baby christians in the varying gowth stage as depicted by their ages.The demonic forces were looking for an opportunity to devour one of the family members.The word says the devil came to steal, kill and destroy.The negligence of the parents reflects the negligence of the mature christians towards the baby christians, the mature ones focusing on themselves in stead of constantly shepherding the little ones as shepherds.The eating and chatting reflects the current situation of the church busy concerned about themselves and lusts of this world not paying attention much to the things of God, for love does not seek self.

If the baby christians are neglected and not followed through they tend to get misled and stray from the right path.This may result in playing around sin, just thinking that it won't harm them much, thinking that it would really be a problem to do a liitle bit of thi and that.When you indulge in sin and you don't see and immediate response of conviction coming, you get bolder and begin to sink more in your sin as representd by the children getting bolder towards the lions.Those still maturing in the Lord tend to rely on their own strength instead of the Lord's to deal witth certain matters and issues of sin as depicted by the child taunting the lions and hitting them.However its only through the Lord that we have victory over the enemy and sin.

The other brothers could not do much as thay were also misled and in the dark, but the expense wa at the young one as the dream shows unfortunately.Farai represents the christians whom the Lord has opened their eyes to the work of the enemy, for it only takes sprirtual eyes opened by the Lord to see the works of the enemy , for the natuaral man does not understand the things of the spirit as depicted by the word "The i saw a horific sight.....

Farai getting into the family van may depict him now having to use thier own defence or protection.Thier ears were blocked from hearing as they focused on them self, when you focus on self you block hearing from the Lord as i have learnt.The fence depictd a seperation probably to be a spiritual aspect, of being in different spheres.The narrow gate reminds me of what the Lord said narrow is the way that leads to life. Whan we help our fellow brothers we are acting in love, for the Lord says we should bear each others burdens, the enemay cannot stand the love of God.The family's reluctance shows a problem in the body where we don't appreciate the Lord's work in other servants , not knowing that it for our own good, as the lord reaches out to us through others.The lords works through men.Farai waking up shows that it was a Holy Spirit inspired dream and His presence was strong around Him.

This what i have to share with you all, i believe interpretation is not limited to one way, the lord reveals to each of us something that when we join and share we walk in unity, as the body should.
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may our Lord open our understanding and be for us whatever is required to play our part in the rectifying of this situation.AMEN.

Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.

Talkn2u

Yes, Pastorfrin...we should be in deep travail...and if we have lost the burden to intercede for the Bride of Christ then we need to ask God to once again give us His Heart...

Could this be part of the ‘Something Horrible’? By no longer having a burden for one another because we are obsessed with pleasing ourselves.
When we spend all our time and energy seeking the things that we think, make us happy, we automatically neglect the needs of others, but it is ministering to the needs of others that comes from the heart of God. The more we please self the less we even think of others, and thus the less we communicate with God. Here we have the ‘Great Falling Away’, people who call themselves Christians, so wrapped up in self that they no longer know or care about the heart of God, and what is the heart of God.

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Instead, in the last days we have this:

2 Tim. 3:1-5
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. [2] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, [3] Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, [4] Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; [5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Which has led to this:

2 Tim. 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Having God’s heart will cause us to:
2 Tim. 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2Tim. 3:16-4:2
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
[4:1] I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; [2] Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

This will help keep us from loosing the heart of God, and yes Sister, we must pray, pray and then pray some more.

Mark 13:33
Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

In His Love
pastorfrin

I post the following not to alarm you but to warn you to prepare, most especially to get right with the Lord.

A brother in the Lord, Benjamin Baruch, had a dream (documented by military analyst Jeff Nyquist at the link below) the summer of 2001 in which God showed him America would be attacked by American and United Airlines. I won't belabor it, you can read the account by the military analyst at the link below.

Baruch on August 9 2007, two weeks ago, had a waking vision in which he saw a sign on the wall of his room that read:

FIVE WEEKS
TO THE
DESTRUCTION
OF THE
FORTRESS
OF
IMAGINATION

What makes this waking vision even more significant is his waking vision follows a dream he had a month ago, July 19 2007, in which he witnessed a "ground nuke" ignited in one of America's largest cities.

Five weeks from the morning of the vision is September 13, Rash hashanah, the Jewish high holy day that marks the beginning of the Jewish New Year, celebrated on the first and second days of Tishri by Orthodox and Conservative Jews and only on the first day by Reform Jews.

http://thedayofthelordisathand.com/testimonials/nyquist.htm

I post the following not to alarm you but to warn you to prepare, most especially to get right with the Lord.

Is this not the reason the Lord said many times,
Watch and to be ready.

Matthew 24:25
Behold, I have told you before.

He has told us that we should and would watch and be ready, but, for anyone that is not, I would not wait until the 12th of Sept. to think about it, for it just may be To Late!

In His Love
pastorfrin

Pastorfrin...
I have so looked forward to September...because I realized that God has done monumental life changing things in my life, in septembers...I never realized it until last year.

I sat thru a study of the Jewish Holy Days during that time; and there is such beautiful significance...

But today, in reading this post, is the first I have heard of what I am now reading...re: Sept 12th.

I just returned from the military base where my son is stationed...and in looking at photos from his deployment to Iraq, my awareness went up at the sight of a picture of an exploded missile, that was laying on the ground...it is just as the one I had seen in my dream...that I mentioned early on in this thread.

I am not the least bit fearful...but I am very much on alert in my spirit...

I am going to click on to the link that is suggested in this thread...

And YES, you said it so clearly...the loss of burden to pray over the Bride of Christ is a part of the Something Horrible.

Bonnie

Hi Bonnie,

Glad to hear your son is home safe.
Sept. is fast approaching but who is to say, wait till Sept. We all need as the Lord instructed us, to Watch now, tonight, and to be ready tonight, for who knows when our soul will be required, may be tonight.
Let us Watch and pray one for another that all may be ready who look to His faithfulness.

In His Love
pastorfrin

Thank you Pastorfrin...actually my son is still overseas, in SaudiArabia...and does not return to the states until the end of Sept...but I was out there visiting his wife; getting her set up in their home on Base, as she awaits his return in a month...
but we were looking at his pictures from Iraq 2005.
Just now I was online looking at the missiles that are imaged...yet I am not finding any that look close to what I saw in the dream...
The one in my son's picture was the most similar but it is smaller in scale to what my dream showed. And the nose of the missile in my dream was more blundt.
It is silly that I even am interested or researching any of this...I think I am just curious to see how "accurate" the dream was...which I do KNOW it was not a dream that I would have thot up...I had not even been thinking in those terms...until the dream.

Regardless of all of these things...my aim, my desire and the prayer of my heart, is to not lose focus of the Love of my Life, which is my Saviour...

Thank you for your reply...
Bonnie

While the most recent posts on this thread dealt with a dream/vision suggesting impending warfare, there is something going on right under our noses, something some will discount, citing Jesus words of rebuke to those who implied that disaster is the cause of sin among the victims. To this argument I will have to point to the OT where God regularly used natural events to destroy people's security in the natural. Having said this, let me proceed...

Earlier I mentioned how we are so dry. Some rain came in July which made us think that perhaps our drought has been broken. Not so. We are so dry, over 20 inches below normal. Which means we have had less then 1/2 the normal rainful to date. Now to the city slickers who look at rain in terms of impeding driving safty, this will not mean a lot, BUT to country folks whose livelihood is dependant on adequate rain it means everthing. We look to God for it, literally and consider the rain, the amounts of it - too little or too much - as a sign from God Almighty that he is saying something and are we listening?

Anyhow, we are so dry. We planted tomato plants in the field for fall sales. We have had to irrigate most of the time since. The flowers have not pollinated due to excesssive heat. The water is not nourishing the plants either, so my DH tested the well water and the ph registered 8.0 - it should be 5.8. Now he is putting battery acid in the water, lowering the ph to 5.8. hoping the plants will now accept the nutrients fed. But not all people have this technology to supplement their field/garden produce.

Now we wonder, reinforced by the posts on this thread....Lord, what will you have us do? This is happening right where we live and we are not the only ones .... the field crops look horrible, the catfish ponds - the water level is dropping. This is an agricultural/aquacultural community where people are totally dependant on the weather as dictated by God.

ginnyrose

PS: (EDIT) Should have said this is the second year in a row we are having a severe drought.

Hi ginnyrose,

Yes, something is definitely going on. We as well have been suffering from severe drought. Many ponds have totally dried up, lake levels dropped drastically and many wells have gone dry, and those drilling new wells are going very deep to find water.
The corn crop is mostly lost, and much corn was planted this year due to all the new ethanol plants needing corn, which has driven the price of corn very high.
Meat, poultry, milk, and egg prices have all risen, with milk projected to be $5.00 per gallon soon.
The soy bean pods have only two or three beans to a pod where the plants are still alive.
This week we received over seven inches of rain, along with tornados and flooding in some places. This is all in the north and is not usual for this time of year, we are still around fifteen inches behind for rain, and of course it is too late for the crops.

Now we wonder, reinforced by the posts on this thread....Lord, what will you have us do?

The Lord is in control, and for those who think this country cannot go hungry all that separates this from happening is the Lord. He can stop the rain, and in a very short time this country will know what hunger is.

Yes ginnyrose, it is time to ask the Lord, “Lord what will you have us do?”

In His Love
pastorfrin

Pastorfrin and Ginnyrose, these last two posts have been very informative to people like myself who live in big cities and are not familiar with farming and the intrical dependency upon weather conditions for crops...

You have opened my eyes to another angle of what is happening right now...that to us may have only been brot to our awareness when we go shopping and really can't afford to purchase the produce we were once used to having...soon possibly eliminating them all together.

Little by little, we are being made aware of big changes that are already here.

That was very insightful...thank you.

ginnyrose wrote:

Now we wonder, reinforced by the posts on this thread....Lord, what will you have us do? This is happening right where we live and we are not the only ones .... the field crops look horrible, the catfish ponds - the water level is dropping. This is an agricultural/aquacultural community where people are totally dependant on the weather as dictated by God.

ginny the Lord has brought me little by little over the past ten years to be prepared for His soon coming judgment of man. Still, this time last August 2006 I woke one morning to another report that foretold impending wrath and I cried out to God asking Him "Lord What are we to do?" Pray about the following to see if it's God's word for you. Following scripture is where He led me, in the order He gave it:

Joshua 21:27 (The Lord talks about, appoints) cities of refuge

Isaiah 27:4-5 Rely on my protection. Make peace with me

Jere. 31:20 I will remember Ephraim my son. I will have mercy on him.

Rom 8:4 Walk according to the Spirit

Psl 31:4 You will pull us out of the net they have secretly laid.

Acts 5:30-32 God hung Jesus on the cross, exalted Him to grant repentance and forgiveness to Israel. The Holy Spirit has been given to those who obey.

Zech. 13:7-9 Awake O sword against My shepherd and against the man My associate declares the Lord of hosts. Strike the shepherd that the sheep may be scattered and I will turn My hand against the little ones. It will come about in all the land declares the Lord that two parts in it will be cut off and perish but the third will be left in it. I will bring the third part through the fire, refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, and I will answer them; I will say, They are My people, and they will say the Lord is my God.

If there has ever been a time for this, it is now.

John 4:23-24
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Those who worship the Father must worship Him in spirit and in truth. He is the only way to the Son. We must know both the Father and the Son in the days soon to come or we will not have the assurance Paul speaks of in:
2 Tim. 1:12
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Without this assurance we will be deceived and follow the way of least resistance, which will be
'something horrible'. Remember, the Lord has promised never to leave or forsake us, if we are trusting in Him alone, we have nothing to fear. We must tell all we meet the urgency of the moment, tomorrow may be to late.

In His Love
pastorfrin

Pastor and FreebyWord,

Thanks you so kindly for your words of encouragement. I will check these scriptures out.

I know from reading history that famines - which can come as a result of too little rain or too much - has a purifying effect on people. The true character of a person will be exposed. This is what adversity accomplishes. Just like a person told me recently: the death in a family will expose the best and the worst in a family. Having experienced this first hand just recently and being grieved in the process, one learns where you have placed your security. It is as though God is working to wean us from dependance on the things, people we hold dear. What we see, feel are temporal. They are here briefly for our enjoyment, then they will pass away, if not supernaturally, they will because of natural causes. We can become so attached to the familiar, the things that provide us with pleasure and comfort that we can become unsettled when deprived of them. So where is our security? I have the sense God is using this to wean us from earthly things to prepare us for heaven.

(This reminds me of a story a visiting minister told us. A friend of his is a skilled carpenter. He will walk into the finest houses, look around and say "Yup, this thing is gonna burn up!)

Thanks for the encouragement...

ginnyrose

The Coming Christian Persecutions and Revival
Kato Mivule
September 7, 2005

>>Sorry for this is unedited message but I felt an urgency from The Lord to put out this article, I will update and edit this as soon but The Lord wanted His message out soon for all who will listen... Events are moving so fast and All who love Jesus Christ, it is time to go hide and abide in Jesus Christ, He is your Covering…Psalms 91...

This is a Prophetic Word To Western-nized Christians All Around The World

Powerful Christian Politician Woman
I had a Dream last night in which The Lord showed me a powerful lady politician in the US government. She was power and well feared across the world. She spoke for America across the world and had a high position for in the US government.

However this powerful politician came to the gathering of the remnant and was so much taken by what the remnant said and a taught. She desired so much that she would have the eyes of the remnant. In the dream she finally managed to get the eyes of the remnant because she said she desired to look at the world the way the remnant did.

However, in the dream we warned her that she could not have eyes like those of the remnant and at the same time be part of the Political system. We told her she had to make her decision to leave the political system and be totally part of the remnant so she could see well. She refused our advice and went on with the eyes she got from the remnant, to do her duties in America.

However, there was discontent and enmity between her and the other politicians including the president of the United States. She insisted on seeing things the way the remnant saw them while at the same time enjoying her political career. In the dream, while she was flying from one of her meetings, her opponents struck down her plane and she was killed. I woke up shocked from the dream, prayed about it.

God will remember Russia and judge her…
After this I slept again and had a second dream. This time I was in Russia, and I was taken on a tour of former Soviet Union countries and part of Europe and I was shown the crimes the Russians committed during their occupations of those countries. I was shown the evils and murders committed by the Russians with their armies and tanks, destroying towns and villages. The Lord then said to me, “I will draw Russia into conflict to judge her for the sins she has committed”.

China enslaves Americans…
After this dream, I had another dream about China. In the dream I was taken to China and shown a group of prisoners captured in America and brought to China. The Chinese were bragging how they had captured some very good products and laughing about it. Among those captured, for some reason I saw Mel Gibson, a Hollywood movie star. He was taken prisoner by the Chinese and was in very deep sorrow and sadness, and he said to me, that the Marines and US government betrayed him. The dream ended…

Prophetic Meaning...
>>The Christian Woman Politician symbolizes American Christians. They have become the Harlot and Whore engaged in adulterous relationship with the New World Order. But The Lord will cause The New World Order to hate American Christians and will persecute, torture, and kill them. The Plane that the woman rides and crashes symbolizes the false ministry or wings that the American Church have used to promote New World Order gospel around the world. It will be crashed and the New World Order beast will no longer need the harlot.

>>American Christian influence around the world is going to cease and will not exist anymore. All her missionaries and missions will cease and those in foreign lands will become refugees. American Christians are going to have to suffer persecutions, many will be killed, and others will be sold into slavery. Christianity in America will cease to exist, as we know it today. The World will look and be stunned at the images they will see happen in America. The World will be shocked at the New World Order State of emergency in America and murder and confinement to concentration camps of hundreds of Christians. This is all because American Christians have forsaken The Lord and are committing adultery with the New World Order Beast.

>>The Lord will certainly draw Russia into international conflict as in Ezekiel 38 and 39 but the main reason is that God will remember her sins that she has committed, even the persecution of The Lord’s Church in Russia. God will draw Russia together with the Arab world and they will attack America and Israel but at the end of the day God will pour His wrath on Russia.

>>God is going to use the Russians and Chinese to fight against America. China, Russia and China will be drawn into conflict by God so as to judge all of them. America will be over come and slaves and goods taken, plunder will be carried off by China and Russia as they seek to survive in the worlds dwindling resources. America’s idols will be carried off into slavery. Even those Idols that have a “Christian” face on them will be carried off to slavery or killed by China and Russian Swords. Many will be betrayed by those they expect protection from.

>>Mel Gibson is a figure and a type of both powerful affluent American Christians who have powerful influence in America and around the world because of their images. They will all be given over to judgment. America will be given over to the New World Order and even though judgments will be poured out in phases on America, the New World Order Beast will take her revenge on the Christians who commit fornication with her. It is time to be separate and give your selves wholly to The Lord. American Christianity will cease to exist as we know it today and will be wiped off the face of the earth. Yes, these are hard times coming and The Lord has used the Katrina Hurricane to set things in motion.

All Christians will be Hated and Persecuted by Babylon…
After the dreams as I woke up to pray in the morning, The Lord gave me Jeremiah 25:1-14 to read. The Lord quickened me to understand that the coming persecution is going to be worldwide and it is going to be directed at the Harlot Christians so as to purify and cleanse those that belong to The Lord. The New World Order will feast on blood as they impose military states around the world.

All Christians in every capital of the world will have to make a choice of either serving The Lord or serving Baal the god of the New World Order. So, it is not just Christians in America that will be heavily judged but The Lord will judge every harlot system around the world. For instance I have warned Christians in Africa, especially in Uganda where I come from but many of them will not listen, many are engaged in the teachings that the American Church has taught them, false doctrines that worship and exalt Man and the welfare of self.

None of these Christians will escape judgment from God. Many Christians in capitals around the world have embraced the doctrines of the Harlot Church in America and are also busy committing fornication with State, Government, Politicians, Businessmen and the One World Religious Church. God however, calls us to be separate from ALL that which is not holy and is of Baal. Holiness, Purity, and Love for Christ will be restored to many. However, during a great and terrible persecution that will take place all around the world but heavily on America because she is the center of the false harlot Christian doctrines empowered by the Harlot in Rome and her secret societies.

My Prophetic Comments are in included…

Jeremiah 25: 1-14
1 The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that was the first year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon; 2 The which Jeremiah the prophet spake unto all the people of Judah, and to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, 3 From the thirteenth year of Josiah the son of Amon king of Judah, even unto this day, that is the three and twentieth year, the word of the LORD hath come unto me, and I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye have not hearkened.

>>Certainly this piece of scripture is a type and shadow of what is to come. The Israel of God is not just the physical Israel today or just the Church as some claim it replaced Israel. However, God is choosing His remnant from both physical Israel and from the Harlot Church or those who call themselves Christians today. So, when The Lord addresses Israel, Judah, or Jerusalem He is speaking to His people both in physical Israel and the Christian Church.

>>In the Fourth Year of Jehoiakim, the word went forth from Jeremiah… the number four meaning a new thing, a new creation, also in context with 40, meaning a trial, a testing time. Moses was in the wilderness 40 years being prepared by The Lord. Jesus Christ was 40 days in the wilderness, tempted by Satan and He overcame. A time is coming that The Church and true Christians are going to endure tribulations, they are going to be tested, they will have to endure their 40 days, years, season in the wilderness. 4, 40, here is a type and shadow and signifies a time of testing and that time has come upon the church. These Testings are coming to purify and cleanse the Church as many servants of God have pointed out.

>>Interestingly this word went out during the first year of the reign of King Nebuchadrezzar, King of Babylon. The New World Order has as its model, Babylon. The Babylonian system that reigned in the earth thousands of years ago is what the American New World Order is modeled after. The New World Order will certainly take on a new false name of peace and security for all. They will take over the American Government system.

>>They are already doing this. Democracy will end in America as we know it but dictatorship and a military state will ensue. USA as a republic will cease. The USA as we know it, will no longer be around and many will cry and wail that their beloved USA is gone but it will. The New World Order Beast will soon take over America.

>> There are going to be more terror attacks on major cities, Natural Catastrophes and disasters and an economic collapse of biblical proportions that will be so immense that the current USA government will not be able to tackle the problem and will break down because she is spent on foreign wars and cannot fund the help needed at home. At this point with proper calculation by the New World Order, the US Government will cease to exist and The New World Order Beast will take over control backed by the UN and the One World Religion.

>>Those that need to survive will have to bow to the conditions set by the New World Order Beast. Christians who refuse will be persecuted, jailed, executed, sent to concentration camps and many will die. The blood of the martyrs will flow on American Soil.

>>Hurricane Katrina was a very good example of what is going to take place on America’s Soil, Chaos, murder, rape, violence, and States of emergencies. The Lord will allow more than one Katrina to hit America; they will come in huge numbers… Imagine 10 Katrina in America!!! Wow! That is how bad things are going to get in America and we are on that road brothers and sisters. The reason being that The Lord is judging the American Church and will throw the American Church and all who love Westernized Christianity into great suffering and then persecution from the New World Order Beast so as to purify His Bride and remove any links between His Church and Babylon.

>>Jeremiah warned Israel for 10 years up to this time when he prophesied the captivity of Israelites by Babylon. From the 13th year of King Josiah to the 23rd year, warning them… This is also a type and shadow… 10 the number of being perfection, God has made sure EVERYONE who needs to hear His warnings, hear them. Also it is a calling out to perfection. God is calling out the Bride of Christ into the wilderness or tribulation to perfect her, purify her and make her holy. Sad to say is that many have not heard the warnings deliberately, many refuse this day to listen, especially in America because they are in love with the material possessions of the world.

Jeremiah 25:4-7
4 And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear. 5 They said, Turn ye again now every one from his evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell in the land that the LORD hath given unto you and to your fathers for ever and ever: 6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt. 7 Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the LORD; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.

>>The Lord has repeatedly warned America Christians and America a Nation that claims it was founded on God’s Principles to turn away from her idols and wickedness. However, they have refused to listen and continually mock those that The Lord sends… Many Pastors will never preach the message I am sharing with you today. Many know the truth but refuse to speak it because they want to keep large numbers of people in their churches and also get lots of money.

>> Everything has to do with money in Christendom today; from the word of God to worshiping God in America, it is all about money… Christians in America see God as ‘selling’, which is how repugnant and devilish they have become because of their big fat greedy Pastors and Preachers who never have enough but always want more. Anyone can do a Google search for “Christian Worship Songs” and all you will see is money, so-called Worship Leaders are all out for mammon and have never lead anyone to worship God but Mammon. Liars and hypocrites, they will not survive the coming tribulation on American Christians. These Christians have totally refused to listen to God’s warnings because they are in love with money… The god that is worshiped in America-nized Christianity is Mammon!!!

>>The works of thy hands signifies the Outcome Based Christianity in America that is all tied to Mammon again. This includes the Purpose Driven Prosperity Gospel, tithes, Home Cell Movement from the Church Growth Movement, Ivy League Bible Colleges where so-called Christian leaders get certified, and all the works of Christendom that deny a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with JESUS CHRIST and set up intermediaries for Man to have access to God...all these are works of Man’s Hands…the works of Christendom…None will survive, it will all be torn down.

Jeremiah 25:8-9
8 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Because ye have not heard my words, 9 Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.

>>The Lord’s main charge against American Christians is that they have forsaken God’s Word. They have not just forsaken God’s Word but have perpetually with intended deliberation rejected God’s Word. They have instead embraced Mammon. Only a remnant remains in America who still holds God’s Word True.

>>God will use the very American Government to tare down and destroy current American Christian hierarchies. It is the New Government taken over by New World Order elements that will persecute bitterly the American Christians. Americans will loose all rights in the coming disaster and a Martial law will be declared.

>>Those Churches that remain will be habitations for the False Prophets and liars and hypocrites. The True Christians in American then will be running and hiding, being persecuted for their lives because they will reject the dictates of the New World Order. Many will be enslaved and thrown in concentration camps and it is there that they will call upon Jesus Christ in the midst of great suffering and persecution. Many will be martyred and killed for their faith. Yes, Americans killing Americans. This will happen on American soil.

>>American Christendom will cease to exist, as we know it. What will remain are the remnant and the false prophet churches. The New World Order will wipe them out and utterly destroy Christendom. As a matter of fact they have already begun doing it from within Christendom itself.

>>However, this will be a time of purification for the remnant saints, a time to grow strong and strong in the Lord. It will be a time of purification in the furnace.

Jeremiah 25:10-12
10 Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle. 11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. 12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

>>The Voice of the bridegroom and the bride will cease. This represents the end of the worship and prayer, as we know it in American Churches. No more signings and churchianity. No more TV and Radio preaching, as we know it today. All that will cease. What we shall have is a One World Religion. The Voice of gladness will cease but wailing and crying and weeping as Christians discover that they are being punished because they rejected the Words of Jesus Christ and went after mammon.

>>It is there that God will send a powerful revival in this tremendous suffering. This is when God will pour His Double Anointing on the Youth and the Old and on all who have flesh who will call upon Him. Revival will break forth in the midst of persecution that great tribulation.

>>The Young people will not be afraid of death. Instead of rebelling physically, they will choose to follow Christ whole-heartedly and die for Christ. Many will be beheaded. Yes, here on American Soil. Many Christians will repent with weeping and give the little that is left to serve Christ and their brothers. They will truly live the Hebrews 11…the true walk of faith. They will be rejected by society, hated, persecuted, beheaded, sawn into two, fed to lions, tigers, burnt in fire but because their eyes will look to a City which comes from God, they will deny the goodies of this world and follow Christ whole heartedly. This is coming folks!!

>> For those who have been praying for revival, yes, revival will come during the great tribulation. However, revival will come amidst great suffering and every prayer warrior should know this.

>>These are the ones that have come out of the great tribulation….

>>God will send the church into tribulation for 7 years. Seventy years was a type and shadow. Israel was sold into slavery in Babylon for 70 years. Christians will have to endure 7 years of suffering and pain which will be purification and the refiner’s fire to purify our faith which is more precious than Gold… However, this is when God releases His revival in The land…

Jeremiah 25:13-14
13 And I will bring upon that land all my words which I have pronounced against it, even all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah hath prophesied against all the nations. 14 For many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of them also: and I will recompense them according to their deeds, and according to the works of their own hands.

>>Don’t take up arms against Babylon…Stop ALL Nonsensical Patriotism

Jeremiah 24
1 The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon. 2 One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad.

3 Then said the LORD unto me, What seest thou, Jeremiah? And I said, Figs; the good figs, very good; and the evil, very evil, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil. 4 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 5 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good. 6 For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. 7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.

8 And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt: 9 And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them. 10 And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.

>>Those who fight against the Babylonian New World Order with swords are the bad figs. They use patriotism as a pretext for acts of the flesh. However, The Lord is clear that all who live by the sword will die by the sword. So, don’t join those who will rebel but if in captivity you go, then go and God will send revival there but DON’T resist like many are saying with the arm of flesh…

>>Those who refuse to fight and rebel against the New World Order will be protected and revived by The Lord. Revival will break forth among the good figs that wait on The Lord to fight for them but don’t pick up guns to fight against the New World Order.

What to do…
>>Totally Surrender Your Life To Jesus Christ

>>His Word…Study God’s Word

>>Holiness… live a life of Holiness; separate from ALL that which is unholy…

>>Simple Fasted Lifestyle, stop hoarding wealth and 401Ks, stop that nonsense, it won’t help you a bit... live a simple life, if you have food, water and a roof over your head, that should be enough…

>>Be ready to suffer for Christ Jesus holding His Testimony True even unto death…

>>Preach The Gospel…preach repentance as in the Bible and not smooth-talker messages from corrupt and filthy American pulpits…

>>Be filled with The Holy Spirit, Yes Be filled with The Holy Spirit just like it happened in The book of Acts, stop your Baptist preconceived Ideas and nonsense and repent of them and Be filled with The Holy Spirit and learn to pray and worship in the Spirit.

>>Prayer and Fasting…you will need to develop a devotion of prayer and forgo meals, yes fasting, it is hard work but you will need that…maybe that will help you loose some pounds…LOL!

>>Ask The Lord what He requires of you…His Will For Your Life

>>Meet and Fellowship with those of like-mind, who call on The Name of The Lord and will challenge you to a deeper Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ, to Holiness, Purity and Righteousness… Leave Babylonian Churches, yes, it is time to leave All Purpose Driven Prosperity Churches that do nothing but exalt Man.

>>Care for the Poor, Orphans and the Neglected of This world.

Your Brother In Christ
Kato Mivule

LittleGift wrote:

He also spoke about learning to "walk on water" with Him, and to help others to do so; because the man-made "church" structures will be shaken and collapse.

Isa 13:13 [i][color=0000CC] Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.[/color][/i]

Hag 2:6-7 [i][color=0000CC]For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.[/color][/i]

Hag 2:21 [i][color=0000CC]Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will shake the heavens and the earth;[/color][/i]

Hebrews 12:25-27 [i][color=0000CC]25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
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In Him

Jeannette

This is just so incredible! The Lord spoke the same word to me in October on '06. He has since then stressed the importance of intercessory prayer and sacrifice. The Lord asked me a very specific question a few months ago and it was... "Will you take the bread off of your table to share with other? Will you give out of your need and not your abundance?" I knew when the Lord asked me this, that He was preparing me for a time to come in the near future.

For months now, my husband and I felt that we should start a food bank. A while back, I told my husband about a dream I had in which I saw several mushroom cloud formations in the horizon and I woke up quoting a grocery list of items for 6 months worth of food and supplies. To my surprise, my husband agreed that we should go ahead and start working toward building up a supply. If you asked my husband what he thought of dreams, he would probably tell you that you ate too much before you went to bed. So for him to agree and go on with this is a miracle in itself!

But food is not THE answer... we must be made ready by being in HIM. JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY ROCK THAT WILL STAND IN THE COMING STORM!!!

I have read most of the long posts and one point frequently made deals with deception, lying, especially by those in leadership.

One thing I have noticed as we have traveled this summer, meeting with people in other places, is this mentality of 'positive thinking'. Reality is not to be discussed, we 'think better things' is the mood. Somehow it is leaving me a tad bit frustrated. If there is something negative about anything, it is not to be dismissed, shoved under the carpet, OR [b]I[/b] do not believe this or that OR I do not think God meant it this way...you name it. It is the denial of reality based on personal assumptions. Now this is where the rubber meets the road and you do do not have to go far to hear it. Perhaps this should serve as a warning to who our betrayers will be?

Something to consider, IMHO. Thanks for giving me a jolt in my spirit, saints.

ginnyrose

Hi ginnyrose,

One thing I have noticed as we have traveled this summer, meeting with people in other places, is this mentality of 'positive thinking'. Reality is not to be discussed, we 'think better things' is the mood. Somehow it is leaving me a tad bit frustrated. If there is something negative about anything, it is not to be dismissed, shoved under the carpet, OR I do not believe this or that OR I do not think God meant it this way...you name it. It is the denial of reality based on personal assumptions. Now this is where the rubber meets the road and you do do not have to go far to hear it. Perhaps this should serve as a warning to who our betrayers will be?

The denial of the obvious is what seems to be the rule, especially if it convicts or takes away the ease of our life in this world.
Last Sunday I preached a message on Life, Death, and the Judgment; this was during our Farm Days festivities so there was standing room only in our little church, maybe a hundred or so.
All week I had been struggling with this message, and Saturday night was very fitful, much praying and very little sleep.
We arrived to few people and immediately the enemy started in, only the faithful are here, no need to preach a message like this to them. You know that voice that tries to talk you out of what you know the Lord has sent you to do.
I went into the back room and began to pray, and ask the Lord to give me the strength and grace to preach the message He had called me to preach.
When I went back into the sanctuary a few more had arrived and before the song service ended the little church was stuffed.
I preached what the Lord had given me and 30 souls came into the kingdom of God. Praise His Holy Name!
None of this was about me, it was not popular and most would probably say, the message stunk, in fact, two people got up and left and I asked the Lord to not let them get away.
I believe, if we do what He asks us to do, no matter how popular it may be, He will glorify His Name and that should be our motive behind everything that we do. His will, not ours or anyone else’s, no matter what the cost.
Just think what might not have happened, if I had not obeyed Him. That would be ‘Something Horrible’.
How much blood will we have on our hands for not sounding the alarm; becuase we have been led to think better things and not the mind of the Lord?

In His Love
pastorfrin

“There were also with him other little ships.”
— Mark 4:36

Jesus was the Lord High Admiral of the sea that night, and his presence preserved the whole convoy. It is well to sail with Jesus, even though it be in a little ship. When we sail in Christ’s company, we may not make sure of fair weather, for great storms may toss the vessel which carries the Lord himself, and we must not expect to find the sea less boisterous around our little boat. If we go with Jesus we must be content to fare as he fares; and when the waves are rough to him, they will be rough to us. It is by tempest and tossing that we shall come to land, as he did before us.

When the storm swept over Galilee’s dark lake all faces gathered blackness, and all hearts dreaded shipwreck. When all creature help was useless, the slumbering Saviour arose, and with a word, transformed the riot of the tempest into the deep quiet of a calm; then were the little vessels at rest as well as that which carried the Lord. Jesus is the star of the sea; and though there be sorrow upon the sea, when Jesus is on it there is joy too. May our hearts make Jesus their anchor, their rudder, their lighthouse, their life-boat, and their harbour. His Church is the Admiral’s flagship, let us attend her movements, and cheer her officers with our presence. He himself is the great attraction; let us follow ever in his wake, mark his signals, steer by his chart, and never fear while he is within hail. Not one ship in the convoy shall suffer wreck; the great Commodore will steer every barque in safety to the desired haven. By faith we will slip our cable for another day’s cruise, and sail forth with Jesus into a sea of tribulation. Winds and waves will not spare us, but they all obey him; and, therefore, whatever squalls may occur without, faith shall feel a blessed calm within. He is ever in the centre of the weather-beaten company: let us rejoice in him. His vessel has reached the haven, and so shall ours.

Spurgeon, C. H.

sister GinnyRose Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.

One thing I have noticed as we have traveled this summer, meeting with people in other places, is this mentality of 'positive thinking'. Reality is not to be discussed, we 'think better things' is the mood. Somehow it is leaving me a tad bit frustrated. If there is something negative about anything, it is not to be dismissed, shoved under the carpet, OR I do not believe this or that OR I do not think God meant it this way...you name it. It is the denial of reality based on personal assumptions. Now this is where the rubber meets the road and you do do not have to go far to hear it. Perhaps this should serve as a warning to who our betrayers will be?

this was a blessing to me because there seems to be a rash of that mentality going on. a few weeks ago, our Lord had me share with the sunday school class about the upcoming Judgment and it got a rather cold reception. i expected no less really. However in the course of the class, a gentleman said something quite profound, we humans like to either look back on the "good old days" sometimes making more of them than there was, or look forward because we don't want to deal with the here and now. interestingly enough, he was the only one who had a sense of something looming...it seems that you and i to some degree are frustrated about the same thing, that many around us aren't willing to acknowledge what is and will shuck and jive and use this positive mental attitude deal to that end. God has had me repeat the message and people seem to get frustrated with it but they don't say anything, i can feel it in my spirit the disdain and anger at the message and messenger...it seems most would rather bury their heads in the sand...problem is one's tail-feathers are expose and about to get knocked off...

your last statement struck me though, i never thought of that...that the betrayers could potentially be the same who didn't want to acknowledge that something was afoot so as to repent. finding the going too tough and then becoming turncoats...the great falling away?

some things to consider.

it seems Humberto dropped a lot of rain down there in Alabama, i pray God it was a good rain for you.

Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.

Ironman wrote:

...it seems most would rather bury their heads in the sand...problem is one's tail-feathers are expose and about to get knocked off...

Man, I loved this humor! Too bad my words cannot convey my laughter when I read this! This mental picture is so funny!

Humberto dropped 4.3 inches of rain at our house. Some got only 1.5 inches. Still, it was very much welcomed.

You brought up the subject of this hurricane. Did you read how fast this storm developed? It went from being a storm with 35 MPH winds to 85 in merely 25 hours, I think they said. Unheard of!

Then I read on the web how England has cows that have been diagnosed with hoof and mouth disease. And not long before this there were herds slaughtered because of serious contagious diseases. I got to thinking I need to gather info about all these pestilences the UK has been afflicted with; then there are the farms, orchards being devastated by droughts, floods, diseases; and the hurricanes (not long ago the forecasters were saying that it wil be a quiet year as far as hurricanes hitting the US but reality has proven then wrong). Then see what this info looks like in terms of end time prophecies. Perhaps someone has done this? If so, I would love to see it.

Took me long time to say I think there is something going on .... Actually, I think most people think when the end time calamities occurr it will be announced in big letters where all will understand. But I am convinced this will not be the case. It will happen slowly, like a woman in labor - whose birth pains begin so slowly and gradually increase in intensity.

We are living in serious times...

people seem to get frustrated with it but they don't say anything, i can feel it in my spirit the disdain and anger at the message and messenger...

I can relate....

Thanks for sharing...it is comforting to know we are not alone.

Blessings,
ginnyrose

Pastor wrote:

I preached what the Lord had given me and 30 souls came into the kingdom of God. Praise His Holy Name!

Awesome! Praise the LORD!

ginnyrose

sis Ginnyrose Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.

Man, I loved this humor! Too bad my words cannot convey my laughter when I read this! This mental picture is so funny!

i am glad you had a light moment there! Lord knows we need some of those every now and then. i can't take credit for coming up with the expression, bro Rahman uses it quite a bit, apparently it comes from the ostrich burying its head in the sand. this same mentaily is really paralyzing many people in the Church of all places.

You brought up the subject of this hurricane. Did you read how fast this storm developed? It went from being a storm with 35 MPH winds to 85 in merely 25 hours, I think they said. Unheard of!

you know sis, the day it hit, it was gloomy and rainy and because we don't have cable i thought i had missed the announcements. however it turns out that even at work nobody knew what was going on so we didn't even have time to figure out how to work out the emergency plan for the hospital...i have a friend of mine who lives near the water and he had to hurry up and get stuff out of his garage or else it would get wet...that was something...this hasn't been as busy a season as that one a couple of yrs ago which came with katrina and rita but Humberto caught us off guard...

there seems to be something eating away at Japheth's hegemony on the world...England having issues with hoof and mouth disease...i've not heard of that in quite some time. i haven't really done a study of any kind to see how this fits into the end times but there certainly seems to be a bit more upheaval in the world than usual. It seems for me as i go about my day, i have this heaviness from the Knowledge of something calamitous about to occur. i try to enjoy conversations with people as much as i can now because after this thing hits, there will be mourning for a time...

Took me long time to say I think there is something going on .... Actually, I think most people think when the end time calamities occurr it will be announced in big letters where all will understand. But I am convinced this will not be the case. It will happen slowly, like a woman in labor - whose birth pains begin so slowly and gradually increase in intensity.

i agree that most people probably think that there will be warnings spelled out in the clouds or something like that. probably a big factor in that mentality is that men don't want their plans interrupted by the pesky Apocalypse...so men push it back mostly and slumber while the night is far spent and the rays of the sun are peeking over the horizon...it is good you have a sense of something going on, that is God's Mercy on you.

at first it was really hard dealing with people who won't see what is before us. it would discourage me from saying so but i bless God that i'm just rolling along with His Spirit and doing and saying what must be done and said without any heed to offending anyone or consequences which may come my way. i sense people feeling/thinking "who does he think he is talking like that?"

Thanks for sharing...it is comforting to know we are not alone.

it is good for me also to know this and the closer we get to the time of this all happening, the calmer and bolder i get and interestingly enough, the more people who have the same burden/revelation i run into...God is Good, those of us with that burden are then mutually encouraged according to a vision He showed me about this very thing.

in case you haven't read/seen what i believe (more and more each day) was given me of God, here it is: [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12628&forum=35&19]Prophetic Credentials 3[/url]

Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.

HE_Reigns wrote:

“What is your take on 2Chron 18:4-27 and Micah 3 ?”

2 Chron. 18:4-27
And Jehoshaphat said unto the king of Israel, Enquire, I pray thee, at the word of the Lord to day. [5] Therefore the king of Israel gathered together of prophets four hundred men, and said unto them, Shall we go to Ramoth-gilead to battle, or shall I forbear? And they said, Go up; for God will deliver it into the king's hand. [6] But Jehoshaphat said, Is there not here a prophet of the Lord besides, that we might enquire of him? [7] And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, There is yet one man, by whom we may enquire of the Lord: but I hate him; for he never prophesied good unto me, but always evil: the same is Micaiah the son of Imla. And Jehoshaphat said, Let not the king say so. [8] And the king of Israel called for one of his officers, and said, Fetch quickly Micaiah the son of Imla. [9] And the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat king of Judah sat either of them on his throne, clothed in their robes, and they sat in a void place at the entering in of the gate of Samaria; and all the prophets prophesied before them. [10] And Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah had made him horns of iron, and said, Thus saith the Lord, With these thou shalt push Syria until they be consumed. [11] And all the prophets prophesied so, saying, Go up to Ramoth-gilead, and prosper: for the Lord shall deliver it into the hand of the king. [12] And the messenger that went to call Micaiah spake to him, saying, Behold, the words of the prophets declare good to the king with one assent; let thy word therefore, I pray thee, be like one of theirs, and speak thou good. [13] And Micaiah said, As the Lord liveth, even what my God saith, that will I speak. [14] And when he was come to the king, the king said unto him, Micaiah, shall we go to Ramoth-gilead to battle, or shall I forbear? And he said, Go ye up, and prosper, and they shall be delivered into your hand. [15] And the king said to him, How many times shall I adjure thee that thou say nothing but the truth to me in the name of the Lord? [16] Then he said, I did see all Israel scattered upon the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd: and the Lord said, These have no master; let them return therefore every man to his house in peace. [17] And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, Did I not tell thee that he would not prophesy good unto me, but evil? [18] Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the Lord; I saw the Lord sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left. [19] And the Lord said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner. [20] Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will entice him. And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? [21] And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the Lord said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so. [22] Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee. [23] Then Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah came near, and smote Micaiah upon the cheek, and said, Which way went the Spirit of the Lord from me to speak unto thee? [24] And Micaiah said, Behold, thou shalt see on that day when thou shalt go into an inner chamber to hide thyself. [25] Then the king of Israel said, Take ye Micaiah, and carry him back to Amon the governor of the city, and to Joash the king's son; [26] And say, Thus saith the king, Put this fellow in the prison, and feed him with bread of affliction and with water of affliction, until I return in peace. [27] And Micaiah said, If thou certainly return in peace, then hath not the Lord spoken by me. And he said, Hearken, all ye people.

Micah 3:1-12
And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment? [2] Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones; [3] Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron. [4] Then shall they cry unto the Lord, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.
[5] Thus saith the Lord concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him. [6] Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them. [7] Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.
[8] But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the Lord, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin. [9] Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity. [10] They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity. [11] The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the Lord, and say, Is not the Lord among us? none evil can come upon us. [12] Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
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My take is this; if you want the riches and the friendship of this world, then tell them what they want to hear.
If you want the blessings of the Lord, then tell them what He says and believe His grace is able to keep you from their wrath. What a shame when one is more afraid of those of this world, who can only kill our body if the Lord allows and not fear the Lord who can kill both soul and body and cast into hell.
Romans 16:18
For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

2 Tim. 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

How history does repeat itself, and how it can be ‘Something Horrible’ to wake us up.

Oh that we will see it as Jesus did and obey His command.

Luke 4:8
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

The question then is this, who are we worshiping and who are we serving?

In His Love
pastorfrin

Ironman, how are you? did you have loss in the storm? We were just south of it.
God bless you ......David

Psalm 33:13
“The Lord looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.”
— Perhaps no figure of speech represents God in a more gracious light than when he is spoken of as stooping from his throne, and coming down from heaven to attend to the wants and to behold the woes of mankind. We love him, who, when Sodom and Gomorrah were full of iniquity, would not destroy those cities until he had made a personal visitation of them. We cannot help pouring out our heart in affection for our Lord who inclines his ear from the highest glory, and puts it to the lip of the dying sinner, whose failing heart longs after reconciliation. How can we but love him when we know that he numbers the very hairs of our heads, marks our path, and orders our ways? Specially is this great truth brought near to our heart, when we recollect how attentive he is, not merely to the temporal interests of his creatures, but to their spiritual concerns. Though leagues of distance lie between the finite creature and the infinite Creator, yet there are links uniting both. When a tear is wept by thee, think not that God doth not behold; for, “Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him.” Thy sigh is able to move the heart of Jehovah; thy whisper can incline his ear unto thee; thy prayer can stay his hand; thy faith can move his arm. Think not that God sits on high taking no account of thee. Remember that however poor and needy thou art, yet the Lord thinketh upon thee. For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect towards him.
Oh! then repeat the truth that never tires;
No God is like the God my soul desires;
He at whose voice heaven trembles, even he,
Great as he is,
He
knows how to stoop to me.
Spurgeon, C. H.
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Thought this might help us to look at the ‘something horrible’ as something the Lord would not allow, until He Himself has visited and placed His seal of protection upon those who are His.

“Think not that God sits on high taking no account of thee. Remember that however poor and needy thou art, yet the Lord thinketh upon thee. For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect towards him.”

What a gracious loving Lord we serve, oh to be sure our heart is perfect towards Him.

In His Love
pastorfrin

Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose Blood we are Saved.AMEN.

bro Dave
we lost nothing in the storm, the lights went on and off most of the night but aside from that, no damage. We have little to lose anyway. When we evacuated for hurricane rita, the only things of value we took, were our bibles, some clothes, stuff for out then 18 month old daughter and the CPU. Galveston is a nice place i think, except for that fact that one day, another big one will hit and wipe it off the map again...

Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.

Jeremiah 2:19
Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the Lord thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord God of hosts.

Brothers and Sisters,

The Earthquakes thread by soulrider, reminded me of this and so I searched it out, notice the last post.

pastorfrin wrote:
Jeremiah 2:19
Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the Lord thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord God of hosts.

Thank you soulrider for the reminder, definitely
something to pray about.

In His Love
pastorfrin