brokenvessel
Hi,
I have a question. Many times I hear people pray, plead for the blood of Jesus to cover them for protection. Can you help to show me the bible verses for this. Thank you
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Hi,
The Scriptures do not teach this.
Jesus used The Word of GOD against the enemy, as an example onto us.
Here are some very good articles on spiritual warfare that sort of takes some of the sensationalism out of it and gets more Biblical with the topic.
Lord Bless.
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brokenvessel
Thanks for your reply.
This thing has been bothering me for some time. The intercessory prayer group that I joined would pray for the covering of His blood over us and over the place. It always sort of jarred me out. Have been trying to find scripture on this but the only thing I can think of is maybe they are thinking about the blood of the lamb applied on the door of the children of Israel when the angel brought death to the firstborn of Egypt, but that's a different matter altogether, right?
Thanks for the article. Will certainly read through it.
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brokenvessel said
I just want to say this is a mixture of pictures. Reading Hebrews brings out clearly the external nature of the Old Covenant provision to deal with sin so God could not see it, and it was not forgiven, as compared with the New Covenant, in which sin is both forgiven and removed altogether.the blood of Jesus to cover
In some ways the 'passover' picture is much closer to what Jesus did, than the many deaths of the many sacrifices required by the law later given.the only thing I can think of is maybe they are thinking about the blood of the lamb applied on the door of the children of Israel when the angel brought death to the firstborn of Egypt, but that's a different matter altogether, right?
This topic has been discussed in other threads. It's important to understand that the Old Covenant blood was actual blood which had to be shed regularly, whereas Jesus' blood was one offering for all for ever, an eternal sacrifice, which is, through the Spirit, always a lamb if it has just been slain. 1 John 1:7 is where else you find it declared in a relevant way to the individual believer.
There is a huge difference between the 'covering' of the blood without the removal of sin and 'walking in the light' - read John 3:17 - 21 and Hebrews 10:10 onwards.
At the root of these differences is the thesis in Romans, about being planted in His death and made to walk in newness of life (6:4 - 6).
Regarding this sort of praying, I believe it is a mistake to direct the Christian's thoughts towards the enemy (whatever it is at the time) but it can encourage one's own heart to be reminded or to remember the cataclysmic power of Christ's sacrifice, and that He really did destroy the devil who had held people in bondage through fear of death, and, He abolished death.
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brokenvessel
Hi Dorcas,
Thank you for the feedback. The blood that was shed for me, how it cleanses me. But I have no understanding of how the blood covers me and protect me from the enemy. I have another question, there's a book called "Blessing your Spirit" ( can't remember the author's name} During intercessory prayer, this type of prayer where you speak to the spirit of a person who is not present physically to bless him or tell him or align him
to God's will and purposes in his life. Is this according to scripture? Sorry if my sentences are not very clear. I'm new at this. By the way I'm from Malaysia. My name is Sing Ming
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Hi Sing Ming, what a beautiful name. Welcome all the way from Malaysia. Praise GOD!
You seem to have discernment, otherwise you wouldn't be seeing the fault in these practices or even be questioning them.
Praying or focusing "at" anyone - whether it be at their spirit, soul, mind or body is wrong.
We're to pray to The Father in Heaven only and through The Son's authority that's He's given us.
What this practice you've encountered is doing is a form of witchcraft and the other person can be oppressed by such spiritual misuse of "prayer".
We are dealing in the spiritual realm, but The Lord gave clear and simple instruction of 'how' to pray and to 'Whom'.
Some people pray to the GOD in their room or inside them, but our prayers must always be directed to the Father who is in 'Heaven'.
Because we are dealing in the spiritual realm, we must be very careful to only stay with Bible, so as not to have our own spirits meshed with other spirits and not to harm others with wrong teaching on how to operate "in the Spirit".
When I was first saved, the Lord led me to read many of Watchman Nee books for this very reason.
I was prone to the 'spiritual' experiences and in a pentacostal church, 'anything' can happen.
I thank God He led me that way for protection in this area of 'spiritual reality' and anything connected to operating in the spirit realm.
No Author is 100% on 'every' subject, but every Author on this Website is safe reading and has their own 'specialty'.
I can recommend Nee books and not fear. Any little thing that he may say on the "raptures" (which most of us don't agree with anyway) is negligible compared to all the good he's brought to spiritual Sanity.
Don't confuse him with Witness Lee or any "groups" out there that have made a 'following' out of his name or that of Lee's.
That is going way too far with what Nee would even want. They go too far out there with their beliefs in these 'fellowships' that are based on men's names.
You are safe to read anything from this site and the site I gave you above.
You can see that site covers pretty much everything out there that is affecting the Church.
I know another author on this site we're on besides Nee, named Jesse Penn-Lewis and the book "The War on the Saints" is also here to read besides other articles by that author.
So between just these two sites, you will learn much.
That is why I don't read books by Authors who are 'recent' and prefer my Authors to either be already in Heaven or in the Discernment Ministries. Those are the ones who watch for the strange things coming into the Church that deceive us. "If" that were possible.
Bless you Sing Ming. You have made a wonderful discovery of things and I will be praying for you to continue to be "led into all truth" as He has promised. Humility is what opens the connection between ourselves and His Spirit of Truth. You have that and that is why He is giving you that red-flag in your spirit over these things.
Praise His Holy Name.
Nice to have met you and I hope you'll enjoy all the Messages by different Authors from this Site.
LORD Bless.
Annie
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brokenvessel
Hi Annie,
It was by God's grace that I came across SI and since that day I have been so blessed. I have learned so much, so much and can only say thank you to Greg Gordon and all you saints here.
I post these questions because it has been disturbing me for quite a while and from this forum, I hope to glean from you all. I have read some of Watchman Nee's articles here. Thank you for pointing out some things which are so helpful to me.
I covet your prayers. I have spent the whole afternoon reading most of the artcles in the website you gave earlier.
What shall I do now? Really have to pray for the Spirit to lead me in truth and grace if I want to bring this up to the group leader or do I come out from the prayer group?
There was one occasion when a few of them lay their hands on me and prayed over me, "... more, more, more, give her more". I was taken aback and immediately prayed in my Spirit, "Lord, I do not want anything except to know you more"
This was because, all of them there will usually have visions from the Lord during the prayer meeting except me. The Lord usually impressed His words in my heart and not vision. In this past 5 yrs I have had two visions only but they're so profound to me. Are having visions from the Lord so "easy to come by"? Sorry, I do not really know how to word it properly... what I'm trying to say is like vision from the Lord is a common occurence...oops that doesn't sound too right either. I hope you get what I mean.
Please continue to pray for me. Thank you.
God bless.
singming
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Dear SingMing,
You are very correct in all that you say.
I don't think you will be able to change the group leaders mind or the group's mind.
I would just back away quietly and tell them that the Lord has impressed upon you to pray in your closet. If they come against you for it ... just say nothing. I'm only saying this as my feelings from having been in so many of these type situations. There is a power there, and it's not from GOD, so you're first move is to protect yourself from anything false --- whether it be a false teaching or "another spirit", as Apostle Paul said.
Other than that, you are in Safe Keeping with just the LORD alone and where and what He'll lead to read.
Trust His leading with all of your heart - as you have been - but we all need to trust all the more - especially in these days, when spiritual counterfeits are rampant. Extremely so.
Pray one for another and thank you for your prayers for us.
Bless you Sing Ming.
His great love to you.
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sermonindex
Hi Sing Ming
What does your name mean?
Just to add a little to what others have said:
At the Passover, the blood protected the people from the WRATH OF GOD, not from Satan.
The ony way I can think of that the blood of Jesus might protect us from Satan is shown in Zechariah 3. The priest was standing in thee Lord's presence, but in filthy clothes. This gave Satan, who was also present in the vision, a reason to accuse him. How could anyone come before a great King dressed like that? How could God accept him when his sins were so horrible?
So if we let the blood of Jesus cleanse us from sin, Satan has no way to accuse us any more.
There's also Revelation 12:10 following, (don't think anyone has mentioned it yet - I've rather skimmed this thread)
[i][color=000066]10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 [u]And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death
The word for accuse is apparently to accuse in a court of law, so again it is the same thought as being protected from the wrath of God through the blood of Jesus. Satan has no more legal grounds to accuse us to God. the beginning of the book of Job has the same thought, Satan is accusing Job before God, that he's only loyal because God has protected and made him prosper - "Does Job fear God for naught...?"
Blessings
Jeannette
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rowdy2
Hi Sing Ming my name is Eddie and I pray you will find the light that you seek and that our posts will help.
Your Heavenly Father loves you and His life is bound up in yours by His love for you. God gave you the cross as an alter and a sacrifice to make an atonement for your soul, His Son Jesus was Shiloh and unto Him God’s people gather and into His Life where we find rest( Sabbath). Our life is in Christ and in His atonement. When Shiloh came the scepter departed from Judah and The risen Glorified Son of God is the law giver and unto him all the people gather and our life is bound up in His life by bonds of love and our eternal life is in His blood (or His life.) To the wicked our Christ is a stumbling block because of their lack of faith that Jesus was the Son of God who died in our place that we might live by taking part in His death burial and resurrection He became the author and finisher of our faith. The Gospel is that Christ our atonement was The Son of God and our Rock is the law of faith that our Church or His Body is built upon. Jesus our Christ was God’s Son and God was in His Son on the cross reconciling us by the death of His Son, who gave His life that we might live, Jesus was the Son of God and as the Risen Glorified Son of God He is risen and our lives or bound in His by His love for us displayed on an old rugged cross. ..
Leviticus 17
11. For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Genesis 49
10. The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Ezekiel 3
19. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
20. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
21. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
22. And the hand of the Lord was there upon me; and he said unto me, Arise, go forth into the plain, and I will there talk with thee.
23. Then I arose, and went forth into the plain: and, behold, the glory of the Lord stood there, as the glory which I saw by the river of Chebar: and I fell on my face.
24. Then the spirit entered into me, and set me upon my feet, and spake with me, and said unto me, Go, shut thyself within thine house.
25. But thou, O son of man, behold, they shall put bands upon thee, and shall bind thee with them, and thou shalt not go out among them:
26. And I will make thy tongue cleave to the roof of thy mouth, that thou shalt be dumb, and shalt not be to them a reprover: for they are a rebellious house.
27. But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear: for they are a rebellious house.
Romans 3
23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24. Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25. Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30. Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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God was in the body of Jesus reconciling the world unto Himself.
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narrowpath
This is a typical example where a precious truth in the bible degrades into a carelessly spoken phrase.
Our sins are forgiven through the death of Christ who shed his blood for us. When we are forgiven, Satan cannot accuse us any more. It says in the Lord's prayer "lead us not into temptation but deliver us from the evil one".
We can only fall into temptation if there is sin in our lifes that is not confessed our cleanses by his blood. If there is unconfessed sin in our lives, Satan can accuse us before God and is allowed exploit our sinful attitude to a certain degree. God will then withdraw his protection and the evil one can gain a calculated messure of access into our lives.
When we then cry out to God and confess our sin, his blood does not cover our sins, but cleanses us from our sins. Anything that is only "covered" can be uncovered.
A similar example of this malpractise is the phrase "We bind you Satan in the name of Jesus"
which I would like to discuss in a new thread.
narrowpath of London
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brokenvessel
Hi Jeannette,
In Chinese, 'Sing" is heart and 'Ming' is clear so Sing Ming is "clear heart" To crack you up a bit, my surname is Ling, so my full name is Ling Sing Ming.
The time over here now is 9.25am. I went to bed last night pondering and praying over what I should do. Woke up this morning and it's still very much on my mind.
Annie, thanks so much for your words of encouragement. I do not and cannot agree with alot of the things done in the name of the Lord but I do love and appreciate each and everyone of them as sisters in Christ.
Actually, I have shared SI with the group leader and a few others. She truly loves the Lord and I know SI has been a blessing to her. I was invited by her to join the group and I feel I need to talk to her and tell her why I cannot be a part of what I believe is not of the living word.
Thank you all of you, my heart is breaking already.
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brokenvessel
Dear Annie,
I don't want to change their minds or anything like that. It grieves me how we can love the Lord so much and wanting to know and do His will, and be so sincerely wrong.
My prayer is that God will have mercy on us and the word of spirit and truth sets us free from all these.
You are right, it's so rampant evrywhere.
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brokenvessel
Thank you bro. Eddie.
Yes, tell me about Jesus, all about Jesus. I do not care for any other 'new' things or teaching that others think God is revealing.
There's only one revelation that i know and yearn for... the revelation of Christ Jesus, my Lord and Saviour. Him and Him only. To behold His righteousness and be satisfied to wake up in His likeness.
God bless.
singming
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rowdy2
Reply to singming
Praise God for a clear heart. Good ground for the word to be planted and watered by the Holy Spirit. What a blessing you are to all that meet you and your God..
In Brotherly Love
Eddie
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Amen brother Eddie.
:-D
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brokenvessel
Dear Eddie and Annie,
My daughter shared what she has journaled down one night during her quiet time with the Lord. I would like to share it here. It really spoke to me. Her name is Wern Wern, 23yrs old. Please keep her in prayer too. She's due to give birth in two weeks time so Annie, I'm going to be a granny too. Yippee, hallelujah!
God, He is good, never wrong, is always just.
God, He is strict, never wavers, His ways are straight.
God, He is grace, never forgets, the frailty of His creations.
God, He is love, always kind, full of compassion.
God, He reigns, cannot be questioned, can never make a mistake.
God, He is King, His throne is established, He is alpha, He is omega.
Lord, I worship You.
He looks down from heaven in search of one who knows Him. He searches
through the earth to find one who He can delight. He looks at all
corners of the earth to find one who He can pour out the storehouses
of wisdom and understanding about His kingdom. He searches the hearts
of man and desires to find one whose heart is pure before Him, whose
heart is wholly unto the Lord in fear and trembling. He searches the
churches to find one who loves Him so that He may take delight in
this man and receive glory because of the heart of this man.
You who are in the heavens look at the heart of man. Your choice
servants are dealt with at their hearts. The ones You chose, You
guard their hearts and not their works. You discipline them and mould
theirs hearts through circumstances. These are Your choice
servants... the ones You break but protect, the ones You prune and
refine in the heart. You make Yourself known to those who seek You.
You show them Your desire, Your desire for a heart that is pure and
upright so that on the day of judgement, Your army of righteous
hearts and steadfast spirits shall be Your glory.
You send rain to both the good and the evil. It seems that both the
good and the wicked can prosper and it seems that both the good and
the wicked can be morally upright. But You look at the heart of those
who truly love You and fear You. When kingdom comes, the rest will be
burnt like chaff but those who know You will bring You glory. These
are Your choice servants. Let me not be foolish to think like people
who do not know God. Let me not weigh my righteousness according to
my successes or my persecution, by my riches or my achievements. My
ways are corruptible and my achievements are perishable but let my
heart be right in your sight for what good is it if I cannot be with
my Lord and give Him glory. If I have spent my life chasing after the
wind not knowing that the fire is at the door. Yet not in fear of
death but in fear of eternal separation from my God.
I give You my heart. By Your grace, I shall forever look to You for
counsel and not look for wisdom about Your kingdom from the lips of
the world. By Your grace I shall come before You everyday to seek
understanding so that I will be filled with Your truth, knowledge,
and reason. I will cast down my pride and beat down the temptations
with all of my strength so that Your counsel will always fall on my
ears and I will not turn away from Your teachings. Circumcise my
heart, prune it, guard it, protect it as Your prize possession, let
my heart be Yours, pleasing unto You.
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Oh Sing Ming, you must be very proud of your daughter. She has written what so many have failed to find or express.
I know it was you who passed on to your daughter such insight into the True God & Christ Jesus.
I would like to copy this and send it to my daughter.
She has only been married 5 years and has two little ones and we are finding out her husband is dying.
I know reading this will strengthen her.
You tell Wern Wern that her quiet time has become a blessing for many. GOD has blessed her with the expression of His greatness toward us.
I bless you our Sister and your very dear daughter and pray you all will always feel the safety of His Strong Arms ... no matter what.
Praise God that you found us here to bless us so.
We will keep you and yours in our prayers and please for us, as we need it more than most do.
Those countries that have seen more hardships, have learned the Glories of a Living Savior that most of us cannot see yet.
Bless you deeply and sincerely.
Your Sister in His Precious Love.
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brokenvessel
Oh dear Annie,
Your daughter is my daughter too in Him. Thank you for sharing her with me. My heart goes out to her and I join my heart to you in prayer for her. We are all in the same household.
I am very blessed with my daughters. Wern Wern is the one whom the Lord has given me to share and have the joy of fellowship in the Lord. My other daughter, Xhen Xhen is nine years old. My husband is a businessman and travels a lot. He will be going to Anaheim, Ca this Sunday.
I do not know why but I felt I just have to share what Wern Wern wrote down. Each time, I read it to remind myself of His grace and mercy, I will cry. My Lord, my God, there's none like Him.
Thank you for making me feel so welcome. The Lord's graciousness in you warms my heart.
Love in Him always.
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LoveHim
dear brokenone,
thank you for sharing what your daughter has written. it was a blessing to read something so true and humble.
dear grannieannie,
i will be joining in prayer for your son-in-law. it caught my eye because i have been married for 5 years and have 2 little ones as well. i am praying for you and your family.
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brokenvessel
dear Phil,
God bless you and your household. After reading your post, this hymn came to mind.
Blest be the tie that binds
Our hearts in Christian love
The fellowship of kindred minds
Is like to that above.
Before our Father's throne
We pour our ardent prayers
Our fears, our hopes, our aims are one
Our comforts and our cares
We share our mutual woes
Our mutual burdens bear
And often for each other flows
The sympathizing tear
When we asunder part
It gives us inward pain
But we shall still be joined in heart
And hope to meet again
L
LoveHim
dear brokenvessel,
thank you so much for the hymn. i am not familiar with it, but it almost brought tears to my eyes.
it really is a tie that binds us..His great love.
once again, thanks.
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Thank you Sing Ming and Phil.
Thank you for your prayers and for this blessed thread.
I've been more than blessed by it and look forward to many more like it Sing Ming. :-)
You'll stay in our prayers.
Thank you both for your kind spirits. Amen.
Bless GOD!
S
sermonindex
Hi again, Ling Sing Ming, your name is indeed lovely - as you are in the Lord!
brokenvessel wrote:
Hi Jeannette,In Chinese, 'Sing" is heart and 'Ming' is clear so Sing Ming is "clear heart" To crack you up a bit, my surname is Ling, so my full name is Ling Sing Ming.
The time over here now is 9.25am. I went to bed last night pondering and praying over what I should do. Woke up this morning and it's still very much on my mind.
Annie, thanks so much for your words of encouragement. I do not and cannot agree with alot of the things done in the name of the Lord but I do love and appreciate each and everyone of them as sisters in Christ.
Actually, I have shared SI with the group leader and a few others. She truly loves the Lord and I know SI has been a blessing to her. I was invited by her to join the group and I feel I need to talk to her and tell her why I cannot be a part of what I believe is not of the living word.
Thank you all of you, my heart is breaking already.
Maybe you don't need to be too concerned about the matter of praying wrongly. Is [i]the LORD
God hears someone's heart, not the words. Many people who have been wrongly taught say things like "I plead the Blood" or "I rebuke you, Satan!" But the Lord hears and responds to what they are really wanting to say - their heart cry - even if the words are wrong.
Doesn't a loving Father respond when his little child babbles a few broken sentences or calls things by the wrong names?
Do any of us get things all right?
We can be too worried about getting things 100% correct (I'm talking about myself, not you!) and perhaps miss the greater things of mercy and love for Him.
If this lady has a good heart it's OK. Talk to her, maybe point her to this thread. (She may already have seen it!)
It's good you've introduced her to SI, that will bring a balance.
Blessings
Jeannette
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Hi Jeannetter, The thing is not so much the teaching on "the blood" - but the laying on of hands and trying to "impart" something into her.
The teaching of "Impartation" is highly unscriptural and spiritually dangerous.
We need to get things as close to 100% in these last days, of false signs and wonders, only because Jesus told us to.
Small doctrinal differences between us is different than dealing with spiritual phenomena.
But she said she would try to talk to the leader about it.
We can just pray for this group, yet not endanger Sing's spirit. If nothing more, it can be oppressing to be in that atmosphere when 'other' spirits are being called up.
I truly feel with all of my heart, again, that Sing has discernment and is in no danger because of that.
But as a general rule --- we don't need to put our finger too close to "strange fire" to see if it's really hot or not.
Time to be careful I'd say. Not so lenient as maybe some years ago.
Was it you who said you've read War on the Saints ?
Anyhow. 'Impartation' is not good. You may have seen that on the Hagin video.
Toronto and Pensacola started up mostly with the Impartation stuff.
Hang tight.
C
crsschk
Dear brokenvessel
This is remarkable, that which came from your daughter.
Thank you!
S
sermonindex
Hi Annie
GrannieAnnie wrote:
Hi Jeannetter, The thing is not so much the teaching on "the blood" - but the laying on of hands and trying to "impart" something into her.The teaching of "Impartation" is highly unscriptural and spiritually dangerous.
We need to get things as close to 100% in these last days, of false signs and wonders, only because Jesus told us to.
Small doctrinal differences between us is different than dealing with spiritual phenomena.
But she said she would try to talk to the leader about it.
We can just pray for this group, yet not endanger Sing's spirit. If nothing more, it can be oppressing to be in that atmosphere when 'other' spirits are being called up.
I truly feel with all of my heart, again, that Sing has discernment and is in no danger because of that.
But as a general rule --- we don't need to put our finger too close to "strange fire" to see if it's really hot or not.
Time to be careful I'd say. Not so lenient as maybe some years ago.
Was it you who said you've read War on the Saints ?
Anyhow. 'Impartation' is not good. You may have seen that on the Hagin video.
Toronto and Pensacola started up mostly with the Impartation stuff.Hang tight.
You are right, but I didn't notice that Sing Ming said they did this too. Also forgot that she said:
This really does sound wrong, like some kind of occult practice. I haven't come across it before, not in that way. It may be OK to ask the Lord to speak to that person's heart, but for us to do it....mmmm.......there's a book called "Blessing your Spirit" ( can't remember the author's name} During intercessory prayer, this type of prayer where you speak to the spirit of a person who is not present physically to bless him or tell him or align him to God's will and purposes in his life. Is this according to scripture?
You are right Annie, being too tolerant of error can lead to dangerous compromise. When I think if some of the stuff I did innocently in the past.... Like the "Jesus prayer" - ever heard of that? Just as well if you haven't!
It's good that the Lord has warned you Sing Ming, and that you are seeking HIm over these things.
Blessings
Jeannette
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brokenvessel
Hi Jeannette,
I know what you mean. It's not about the getting of the words right, but our heart's cry, even the very groanings of our spirit to the Lord when words fail us and we are like.... nothing? Many times, I don't and can't get my words right.
Actually, there are quite a lot of things that makes me uncomfortable. I am quite new in the group(more of a closet-praying type). When I was invited to join them, I was real nervous because these women are the "prayer warriors" in the church. But I want to learn from them, to pray
together, to seek God in spirit and in truth.
In the course of time, a few things disturbed me. One was about "the river... the river of God, the river of life is flowing here right now. Drink from it now. Jump into the river and drink from it" And this is given in a vision.
Let me explain why I was much disturbed by this. I hope you all will bear with me... it's a bit long.
Two yrs back, our church established this "Healing Room" ministry. The people from 'Healing Room' Singapore came and had a teaching seminar on this. I attended it too. During the inauguration of this ministry in our church, there was an invited quest from America( i'm not sure whether she's from spokane). During the praise and worship, they laid a long piece of yellow cloth in the middle of the aisle and laterwe were told it symbolises the River of Life and we were all asked to pray in the spirit which means praying in tongues or sing in the spirit, while walking round the room and also we were encouraged to "jump" into the river and dance in the river. All these were so new to us.There were also banners and flags waving.And all these while, the American lady was "praying in the spirit" with much shaking of the head and body and the sound that came out from her mouth was more like 'chanting'... she reminds me of a Red Indian warrior. I do not know how to describe the whole thing but I was so uncomfortable and yet I obediently do as they asked to walk in that river with all the rest but stopped immediately after the first round. I just could not go on. I just stood in the corner of the room and watched. These went on for quite some time and later there was also a time of anointing and impartation from that American lady. During this session at times she will be laughing out loudly and the person she lay hands on will also be laughing away and some were 'slained'. To cut the story short, the following week, I told the pastor who's in charge of this ministry, I would not be able to serve, but I did not tell him why except that because the ministry would be held at night, I could not leave my daughter who was 7yrs old at that time alone in the house.(During that time, my elder daughter went to Australia to further her studies and my husband just left for California)
The prayer warriors in the group are very much involved in this Healing Room ministry. Every time, we gather to pray, first there'll be prayer to cleanse the room and that's another thing,(blood of Jesus to cleanse a place or
room..is it right?)
Jeannette, writing this is hard for me. I wish I don't have to do it. I write this with tears in my eyes. All there ladies love the Lord so much. I rather that you all will tell me that I have no reason to feel as i do. I will stop here for now.
B
brokenvessel
Dear Jeannette and Annie,
The book, "Blessing your spirit" is written by Sylvia Gunther and Anthony Burk. And that leads to another story.
My husband was in California and our pastor here told him about the Azusa Convention last year and encouraged him to go. My husband went and and got two books. When he came back to Malaysia, he gave one to our pastor and one to me. He has np idea what's the book was about except it was one of the hottest selling book there, so he thought it must be very good. I read the preface and first 'blessing' and put it back on the shelf. During this time, God has led me to SI and I was feasting at the banqueting table laid before me, that book was more like 'junk food' (sorry for lack of a better word).
And you know what, after one of the prayer meeting, my group leader told me there's a fantastic book that she's very eager to have. Someone introduced it during the Healing Ministry. She wondered whether my husband can get it for her in the States. Before she told me the name of the book, I somehow knew it was this book and I told her the name of the book. She was very surprised and I told her I have a copy sitting on my shelf and she can have it.
At that time, I didn't think anything of the book. I wasn't interested in it because in SI, I have more than enough. But later, during the prayer session and I hear words like," so and so... I speak to your spirit right now....." questions came to mind.
Annie, thanks for telling me about War on the saints and after reading the articles from the site you gave me, I realised a lot of the 'praying
method or technique' is based on those teaching... dominion, joel's army, and so on.
Please continue to pray for me. I am putting
myself before the Lord and asking Him to search my heart.
B
brokenvessel
Dear Mike,
You have no idea how much SI has blessed us. Before I came to know about SI, I was in a very 'dry' state. Most of the time, i was crying (literally) out to the Lord, "I am dying, i am dying... can't You see I am dying? I can't go on this way. Unless You do something, I am dying" You can't imagine the buckets of tears I cried. When I read Lamentations, I cried and cried. I just couldn't stop crying. At times, the pain in my heart was so unbearable...
Nobody told me about SI. I believe, the Lord answered my prayer. I can't remember what I was googling and SI came up. The featured sermon was Art Katz. I can't remember the name of the sermon now, but it was a sermon I've never ever heard any sermon like that before ( sorry, i don't know how to explain) I cried and cried throughout the sermon. That experience was like giving a dying man a glass of water. I listened twice through and cried both times. I told my daughter to listen and she was blown away too. Since then it was no turning back for me. How can I ever thank my Lord, my God who heard my prayer, who has been so merciful to me? I've been feasting ever since.
Thanks to all of you in SI and it's only been the past six months I started to forage in the forum and reading the threads and from here I have learned so much and is still learning. This is 'Church'
God bless all of you
singming
S
sermonindex
Sing Ming, Rejoice in the LORD Always and again I say Rejoice .... Paul said.
It is not too hard to feel you're dying when you are not being fed Good food.
If I eat store bought cakes and the like - I would not stay well if that was all that I had to eat. Your church has been fed so many wrong things, I sympathize because I've seen it happen to certain churches here.
Besides that you were robbed of the Pure fellowship of The Body because these teachings defiled many.
You're in the most difficult of all positions because you have the gift of discerment 'with' the gift of Mercy and I know, that will tear a person in shreds, until they can get past the false guilt of what they are discerning about 'those they love', but even then it is still difficult.
As much as it Hurts to have both, I pray the LORD will help you with balancing both.
That takes time, or actually, that pain never really leaves, but I think you are one that is on an Excellerated growth pattern, because you Love the Lord - JUST for Himself and not for what He can 'give' and because of the days we're living in ... He's protecting you and using you.
I thank GOD with you for bringing you here.
I meant to tell you that you may also very much enjoy Messages by T.A. Sparks.
LORD wrap His Loving Arms around you and bring you great Peace, Joy and the annoiting to discern when needed and to only use mercy when He calls you to. A tender heart like yours is Good - but mixed with discernment - I believe those are the two hardest gifts to carry of all.
HE LOVES YOU AND YOURS.
And we do too.
Go with GOD. :-)
S
sermonindex
You and your daughter have brought joy to my aching heart, for which I sing, May the Lord love you and bless you ever so richly today.
Your witness and her journal entries buttress my faith, that the Church, the Body of Christ, globally is strong and supple indeed.
I will pray and think of you three all thruout this day.
In Jesus' love
B
brokenvessel
Thank you Annie and thank you Worm.
All our sharing here brings me to wanting to pray more and seek His face.
I will now leave with one of my favorite meditation and self-examination:
Psalms 19:12-14
Who can understand his errors?
cleanse thou me from secret faults.
Keep back thy servant also from presumptous sins;
let them not have dominion over me:
then shall I be upright,
and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
Let the words of my mouth,
and the meditation of my heart,
be acceptable in thy sight,
O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
Amen
L
LoveHim
dear brokenvessel,
i just wanted to thank you for all that you have written. you have written us (on the website) to learn from us, but really i think we have learned from you. you have shown us that God truly is close to the humble. you have displayed a true childlike loving heart and i can only see in my mind the smile that you bring to God's face.
just wanted to encourage you with that. also, thank you sisters (annie and jeanette) for being here for sing ming. the Lord really does bring the body close together from all over.
S
sermonindex
AMEN!!!
LoveHim wrote:
dear brokenvessel,i just wanted to thank you for all that you have written. you have written us (on the website) to learn from us, but really i think we have learned from you. you have shown us that God truly is close to the humble. you have displayed a true childlike loving heart and i can only see in my mind the smile that you bring to God's face...
Sing Ming, reading what you have said about this group (your English is excellent, by the way, don't worry about not putting things clearly - you do)it seems you have to leave them. Unless the leader will listen to you, which she probably won't at first.
Tell her, with all the love and grace in your heart from the Lord, why you have to leave the group. And go on praying for her, even if she doesn't listen to you. If she is a woman of God she will seek Him about it.
Bless you and your family. What a blessing your daughter must be to you.
Is your husband also a Christian? We mustn't forget to pray for him too!
love in Him
Jeannette
B
brokenvessel
Dear Phil,
Thanks for your kind words and the warmth of your fellowship.
Jeannette,
My group leader and all the ladies in the group are more than I can say about them. They love the Lord with a fervent heart and really give themselves to pray and interceed for the pastors and the church. They love the word of God and are humble and contrite in heart.
My group leader is a gracious woman of God and I know she will be patient to listen to my concern. I respect and love her in the Lord. For many months now, I have this desire to have a heart to heart talk with her but I always end up saying..'no, Lord, I can't. I don't know how to speak.' So I pass the buck to SI. I told her about SI and I know through her sharing she has been much blessed.
Coming together to pray and seek His face is a joy and a blessing. My struggle is only those times when it comes to doing 'warfare', doing 'prophetic acts' and proclaiming, taking, claiming, declaring phrophetically based on the vision or revelation given (at times we are asked to join hands together and agree together). I will feel like a hypocrite then. I joined my hands with them but....Lord, I don't know how to pray.
I put myself in His hands. He knows me more than I can ever know myself. It might be a 'nudge', a 'shove' (for I'm stubborn one) or a 'be still'.
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
(and the LORD says)
"I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."
So Lord God, have mercy on us.
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