An Urgent Plea (from the Scriptures) To Go and Preach the Gospel!

An Urgent Plea (from the Scriptures) To Go and Preach the Gospel!

Who are we supposed to preach the gospel to? "…preach the gospel to every creature." [Mar 16:15] "the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men…" [1Th 3:12] "Now also when I am old and grayheaded, O God, forsake me not; until I have showed thy strength unto this generation, and thy power to every one that is to come." [Psa 71:18]"And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" [Act 17:30] "For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard." [Act 22:15] "Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place." [Act 21:28] "Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion." [2Ti 4:17] "Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage." [Mat 22:9] "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people," [Rev 14:6]"And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen." [Mar 16:20] "Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savor of his knowledge by us in every place." [2Co 2:14] "The lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom." [Pro 10:21]

How Often Should We Preach the Gospel (If God enables us)? "Withhold not good from them to whom it is due, when it is in the power of thine hand to do it. Say not unto thy neighbor, Go, and come again, and tomorrow I will give; when thou hast it by thee." [Pro 3:27-28] "Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him." [Act 17:17] "But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus." [Act 19:9] "Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears." [Act 20:31] "And he taught daily in the temple. But the chief priests and the scribes and the chief of the people sought to destroy him," [Lk 19:47] "When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness." [Lk 22:53] "I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;" [Isa 65:2] "And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." [Lk 9:23]"And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men." [Mat 4:19]

When Should We Teach and Preach? "And in the morning, rising up a great while before day, he went out, and departed into a solitary place, and there prayed." [Mk 1:35] "And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction." [Jer 32:33] "For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is a householder, which went out early in the morning to hire laborers into his vineyard." [Mt 20:1] "And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them." [Jn 8:2] "And when they heard that, they entered into the temple early in the morning, and taught..." [Act 5:21]

Pray For More Laborers. "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" [Rom 10:14-15] "Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth laborers into his harvest." [Mt 9:38] "Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth laborers into his harvest." [Lk 10:2] "And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God." [Lk 6:12]

Can you be guilty of the blood of others because you failed to warn them? "So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live? Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? [Eze 33:7-11]

Paul had the Word of God from Ezekiel in his heart."And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles." [Act 18:6] "Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God." [Act 20:26-27]

Are you free from the blood of all men? Do you preach, teach, and warn every man that God has called you to warn?"Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:" [Col 1:28] "A man that doeth violence to the blood of any person shall flee to the pit; let no man stay him." [Pro 28:17] "For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!" [1Co 9:16]

Go Get My People and Bring Them Home! Go and Bring My Lost Sheep Home! "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbors, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost. I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance." [Lk 15:4-7] "Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;" [Isa 43:5-6] "Save us, O LORD our God, and gather us from among the heathen, to give thanks unto thy holy name, and to triumph in thy praise." [Psa 106:47] "For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city." [Act 18:10] "The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God." [Isa 10:21] "And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there." [Isa 65:9] "Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory." [2Ti 2:10] "For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts." [Mal 1:11] "And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily." [Act 16:5] "And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." [Act 2:46-47]

All Christians Are Called To Preach The Gospel.
"Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God." [Lk 9:60] "And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." [Lk 9:62] "And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent." [Lk 4:43] "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." [1Jn 2:6] "Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you." [Jn 20:21] "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences." [2Co 5:11]

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What is the message of the gospel that should be preached?

Jesus said go and make disciples. How do you make a disciple out of an unbeliever? One has to be believer, right? If so, then when you preach, how should you preach? What should be your message?

LoveHim wrote:

What is the message of the gospel that should be preached?

brother ormly, the only message i know is that "Jesus came into the world to save sinners. He died, not only for our sins, but the sins of the whole world. and if you will repent of your sins and receive Him, He will give you new life to follow Him. if you will humble yourself, He will give you grace".

sorry it's not more elequent, but repentance, faith and self-sacrifice is the only message i know to preach.

"for i desired to know nothing among you save Jesus Christ and Him crucified"

There is much I could draw you into but let me simply ask, if you are successful in "converting" one to Jesus Christ is "regeneration" by Him a given?

Perhaps another way for me to ask is, would it be by your words and a simple confession by them they are converted and that brings them into the fold?

Is our understanding of making disciples simply that we convert folk to Jesus or, if they are regenerated upon being converted, born again, to nuture them in their new life experience? Jesus said make disciples. Of whom, I ask, and what for if after conversion and regeneration, Heaven is no longer an issue.

If I were to say to you, preach the word as if everyone was saved, what would you preach?

[i]"And he that was sown upon the rocky places, this is he that heareth the word, and straightway with joy receiveth it; yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while; and when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, straightway he stumbleth".[/i] Matthew 13:20-21 (ASV)

What is the message of the gospel that should be preached?

I would simply exhort you to read the book of Romans, study it, memorize scriptures in it, pray through it, and proclaim it by teaching and preaching it (if it's burning in your heart).

God bless you! -Abraham

Abe_Juliot wrote:

What is the message of the gospel that should be preached?

I would simply exhort you to read the book of Romans, study it, memorize scriptures in it, pray through it, and proclaim it by teaching and preaching it (if it's burning in your heart).

God bless you! -Abraham

I know about that but that is not the question I asked you. You have not addressed anything I submitted to you. If you don't have any answers, say so. That's not a crime. What is a crime is preaching without knowledge.

LoveHim wrote:

There is much I could draw you into but let me simply ask, if you are successful in "converting" one to Jesus Christ is "regeneration" by Him a given?

Perhaps another way for me to ask is, would it be by your words and a simple confession by them they are converted and that brings them into the fold?

i believe that the Lord sees the heart of the one who is professing to "believe". so if they are truly coming to Him and forsaking self, i believe that there is sufficient scripture that shows that He is ready and willing to pour His life into the one hungering and thirsting for Him.

Amen!!

do i think because people raise their hand and pray a prayer that they are "born again"? no. we are only born again when we have received our pardon and been filled with the Holy Spirit. like i said above, the Lord sees the true heart.

Would you not agree that that requires a revelation of Jesus Christ?

Is our understanding of making disciples simply that we convert folk to Jesus or, if they are regenerated upon being converted, born again, to nuture them in their new life experience

my understanding from scripture is to convert unbelievers and let God grant them new life and then nurture them to be disciples of Christ.

Great! So it is by persuasion we might win some and regeneration by the Holy Spirit that would be the result of their hungering and thirsting if conversion resulted in a "poverty spirit", if I read you correctly.

I Think we are on to something, Phillip.

Jesus said make disciples. Of whom, I ask, and what for if after conversion and regeneration, Heaven is no longer an issue.

brother, heaven is not my goal, only Christ is. i only long to continue to grow in Him and be where He is. if He would be in the deepest hell, then i would long to be there with Him. do you see what i am saying?? i only want to know Him and be where He is.

Indeed! So what is the sustaining message of the gospel except that by revelation from Him, is that which speaks of Sonship and Heirship and Throneship; union with the Father. Certainly this MUST be the vision that sustains the revelation He gives upon regeneration.

Now, if I were to say to you, preach the word as if everyone was saved, what would you preach? Assume much here. You would so find out who was who.

Thank you, Phillip

LoveHim wrote:

Would you not agree that that requires a revelation of Jesus Christ?

i would definitely agree.

Great! So it is by persuasion we might win some and regeneration by the Holy Spirit that would be the result of their hungering and thirsting if conversion resulted in a "poverty spirit", if I read you correctly.

i would also agree with this again. i am curious to see where you are going with this.. :-)

Indeed! So what is the sustaining message of the gospel except that by revelation from Him, is that which speaks of Sonship and Heirship and Throneship; union with the Father. Certainly this MUST be the vision that sustains the revelation He gives upon regeneration.

i need you to clarify what you mean by this. i think i understand what you are saying, but i want to be for sure..

What I believe the message of the gospel is to be what I stated above. Hell most probably would be the result of rejecting it. Redemption is the restoration of it as a possibility in the one redeemed; the doorway to it, if you will.

BTW, What sustained Jesus when the Cross awaited Him?

Now, if I were to say to you, preach the word as if everyone was saved, what would you preach? Assume much here. You would [b]soon[/b] find out who was who wasn't "poor in spirit"..

what do you mean by "you would so find out who was who"?? what does that mean??

Please note my corrected remarked.. Sorry 'bout that.

thanks for talking brother. this is a little better than the other thread. :-P

Amen! Its nice to have objectivity and honest inquiry coming back at me. :-)

LoveHim wrote:

BTW, What sustained Jesus when the Cross awaited Him?

the joy set before Him (hebrews 12:2). that He might reconcile God and man and thereby ensure sons and daughters for His Father. (that what i would say)

Now, if I were to say to you, preach the word as if everyone was saved, what would you preach? Assume much here. You would soon find out who was who wasn't "poor in spirit"..

that by preaching this message of the crucified life, you would find out who really wanted God and who really didn't? is that what you are saying?? i believe that.

Amen! Its nice to have objectivity and honest inquiry coming back at me.

brother there is so much that i admit, i don't know. it is a freeing thing to not think you know everything, because then you have no prideful image of yourself that you have to keep. :-)

talk to you later.

Amen to all you have written.

Though finding no fault, the one phrase you used "Crucified life" would be changed by me to read, "the way of the Cross" since I believe that was always in the Mind of God from the beginning, His beginning. Desired in Adam who failed it was realized from/in the Man, Jesus.... the very Character of His Father.

Thanks, Phillip.

:-)

I maybe speaking for a mass of believers that would like to go and preach the gospel, however, they know that they have not been called to be sent out.

We are not to beg people to go and win the lost, we are to ask the LORD of the vineyard to put more labourers into the harvest. Without the anointing of the holy Ghost and the laying on of hands it's pointless. Thats why many do not enter the harvest, they are waiting for the LORD to tell them to go.

We have a mess in the fields today because men have gone into the fields when they have not be sent.

God ordained Paul to be an apostle and Paul immediately after his conversion went out preaching Christ and Him crucified. Why? because that was God's calling for him, he became empowered to do that. If you go to the field and you haven't been sent, you'll only make a mess of it.

God is in no hurry like we are, He knows who are His and who shall be His and He'll have his man right there to bring them in at the appointed time.

Yes, let us pray to the LORD for more labourers to work in his vineyard. Amen

I know about that but that is not the question I asked you. You have not addressed anything I submitted to you. If you don't have any answers, say so. That's not a crime. What is a crime is preaching without knowledge.

I'm so sorry friend, Please forgive me. I wasn't able to spend much time on the internet this morning. If you study the book of Romans and preach that... You can't go wrong there. I was trying to keep it simple, without having to get into a theological debate. But, I'll try to help you a little further. Please forgive me, if it's not what you're looking for.

What is the message of the gospel that should be preached?

Jesus said go and make disciples. How do you make a disciple out of an unbeliever? One has to be believer, right? If so, then when you preach, how should you preach? What should be your message?

1st Question: How do you make a disciple out of an unbeliever?
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1Co 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
1Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labor.

2nd Question: One has to be believer, right? Yes.

3rd question: If so, then when you preach, how should you preach?

1Th 2:1 For yourselves, brethren, know our entrance in unto you, that it was not in vain:
1Th 2:2 But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.
1Th 2:3 For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in guile:
1Th 2:4 But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts.
1Th 2:5 For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloak of covetousness; God is witness:
1Th 2:6 Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ.
1Th 2:7 But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children:
1Th 2:8 So being affectionately desirous of you, we were willing to have imparted unto you, not the gospel of God only, but also our own souls, because ye were dear unto us.
1Th 2:9 For ye remember, brethren, our labor and travail: for laboring night and day, because we would not be chargable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.
1Th 2:10 Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblamably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:
1Th 2:11 As ye know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father doth his children,
1Th 2:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
1Th 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

4th Question: What should be your message?

(this isn't everything, but here are some very important points that should be in your message.)

1. The Righteousness of God
2. The Wrath of God
3. The Law of God
4. The Unrighteousness of Man
5. The Judgment of God
6. The Day of Wrath and Revelation of the Righteous Judgment of God
6a. The Faithful Enter Heaven and the Hypocrites Go To Hell
7. God’s Hell Is Preached
7a. God’s Heaven is preached
8. God Shall Judge the Secrets of Men by Jesus Christ
9. Sin Is Personalized
10. Preach the Gospel of Grace

“Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD.” [Psa 34:11]

1. “The Righteousness of God” [Rom 1:17] …
I am not ashamed to preach the righteousness of God to “a generation that are pure in their own eyes” [Pro 30:12], to men who “will proclaim every one his own goodness” [Pro 20:6], and a people who are “ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness.” [Rom 10:3] “My mouth shall shew forth thy righteousness and thy salvation all the day; for I know not the numbers thereof. I will go in the strength of the Lord GOD: I will make mention of thy righteousness, even of thine only.” [Psa 71:15-16] “The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.” [Isa 42:21] “I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O LORD, thou knowest. I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation.” [Psa 40:8-10] “And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.” [Dan 12:3]

2. “The Wrath of God” [Rom 1:18] …
I am not ashamed to preach “God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.” [Psa 7:11] The Word of God says, “Thine hand shall find out all thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee” [Psa 21:8], “God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.” [Nah 1:2] I am not ashamed of these words. Are you? Do you preach the wrath of God? I am not ashamed to preach “Thou, even thou, art to be feared: and who may stand in thy sight when once thou art angry?” [Psa 76:7] “Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.” [Nah 1:6]

3. The Law of God
“But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.” [1Ti 1:8-11]

A. The 1st Commandment “they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful” [Rom 1:21] …
I am not ashamed to preach the Word of God. “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” [Exo 20:3] “thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.” [Mar 12:30] “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” [Mat 6:24] “He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” [Mat 10:37] “And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they show much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.” [Eze 33:31]

B. The 3rd Commandment “but became vain in their imaginations” [Rom 1:21] …

C. The 2nd Commandment “And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.” [Rom 1:23] …

D. The 2nd, 7th, and 10th Commandment “uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts” [Rom 1:24] “…covetousness, which is idolatry.” [Col 3:5] “…I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.” [Rom 7:7]

E. The 9th Commandment “Who changed the truth of God into a lie” [Rom 1:25] …

F. The 2nd Commandment “worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.” [Rom 1:25] …

G. The 2nd, 7th, and 10th Commandment “burned in their lust one toward another” [Rom 1:27] …

H. The 1st Commandment “they did not like to retain God in their knowledge” [Rom 1:28] …
“The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.” [Psa 10:4]

4. The Unrighteousness of Man

“Being filled with all unrighteousness,
fornication,
wickedness,
covetousness,
maliciousness;
full of envy,
murder,
debate,
deceit,
malignity;
whisperers,
Backbiters,
haters of God,
despiteful,
proud,
boasters,
inventors of evil things,
disobedient to parents,
Without understanding,
covenant breakers,
without natural affection,
implacable,
unmerciful” [Rom 1:29-31] …

5. “the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.” [Rom 2:2] … “With my lips have I declared all the judgments of thy mouth.” [Psa 119:13] “The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.” [Psa 37:30] “I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.” [Psa 119:46] “My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.” [Psa 119:176]

6. “the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God” [Rom 2:5] …

6a. The Faithful Enter Heaven and the Hypocrites Go To Hell
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life: Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

7. God’s Hell Is Preached
“But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile” [Rom 2:8-9] …

7a. God’s Heaven is Preached
Rom 2:10 But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

8. Paul preached of, “the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.” [Rom 2:16] …

9. Sin Is Personalized
Paul made sin personal to the hearer and used the Law of God to bring the knowledge of their personal sin. “What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.” [Rom 7:7]

“Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonorest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.” [Rom 2:21-24]

10. Preach The Gospel of Grace

Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

I trust this will equip and help those who desire to preach the gospel. God bless you! -Abraham

Sorry, my friend, none of that is what should be preached unless called for.

Your starting point for understanding the message of Jesus Christ is obviously wrong consequently your message can be nothing but wrong if attempting to make disciples. You apparently don't realize the gospel message is not about redemption but what redemption accomplished for mankind; for the one who can hear; whose heart is already to receive before you ever came on the scene.... and you don't know that one who has ears to hear. You don't know whose hearts have been prepared waiting to hear what you [b]aren't[/b] preaching.
In your ignorance you present a condemning message, while demonstrating your Bible prowess to a people you presume to be religious. About Jesus Christ, they aren't. And you aren't either if you believe Jesus came preaching what you preach.
When John the Baptist preached it was to a religious people steeped in self-righteousness. They knew the terms and the scriptures. Your crowd doesn't. With exception, John never preached a message of hope but rather rectification to an already religious people. You/Our message must be one of hope to a sick and dying world that is outside the knowledge of the Father Jesus revealed....

I hope you will consider my comments, not as belittling your effort, which I applaud, but my attempt to bring rectification into your preaching that discipling for you will be more profitable.....And I believe it will be if allowed by you.

theopenlife wrote:
Ormly, would you please do a similar presentation of what you present the gospel as, or in a way that you have recently presented it?

I'd like to see the balance between each of your views.

Thanks!

It's very simple. Own Jesus Christ. He is the sustaining message any preacher should present to a sick world. He came to save the lost and dying, not condemn them.

Anyone can stand on the street corner and shout hellfire and brimstone messages readout of a book most everyone believes contradicts itself.

Show them Christ. Reveal to them the Father's intent by restoring man to fellowship with Him. What does Father have in mind by doing it except to bring about His family of sons to rule and reign with Him. Assume everyone wants to know that and you are telling them for the first time. You will soon discover who is interested and who isn't. ... You will also find out if you left Jerusalem too soon. [Acts 1]

It's very simple. Own Jesus Christ. He is the sustaining message any preacher should present to a sick world. He came to save the lost and dying, not condemn them.

Anyone can stand on the street corner and shout hellfire and brimstone messages readout of a book most everyone believes contradicts itself.

Show them Christ. Reveal to them the Father's intent by restoring man to fellowship with Him. What does Father have in mind by doing it except to bring about His family of sons to rule and reign with Him. Assume everyone wants to know that and you are telling them for the first time. You will soon discover who is interested and who isn't. ... You will also find out if you left Jerusalem too soon. [Acts 1]

Ormly, how do you get this across?

I recently heard a sermon by an older preacher who lamented our generation. He said something to the effect of, "back in those days, everyone knew the Bible stories because they'd been taught it in school. Preaching was exhorting them to remember what they'd already been taught. Nowadays, you have to explain, step by step, the need for the Law, the need for repentance, and the need for Jesus..." (paraphrased)

How do you get through the barriers and arguments these people have been taught in school (like "people in the Bible believed in slavery", "were cruel to women", etc?

Corey_H wrote:

It's very simple. Own Jesus Christ. He is the sustaining message any preacher should present to a sick world. He came to save the lost and dying, not condemn them.

Anyone can stand on the street corner and shout hellfire and brimstone messages readout of a book most everyone believes contradicts itself.

Show them Christ. Reveal to them the Father's intent by restoring man to fellowship with Him. What does Father have in mind by doing it except to bring about His family of sons to rule and reign with Him. Assume everyone wants to know that and you are telling them for the first time. You will soon discover who is interested and who isn't. ... You will also find out if you left Jerusalem too soon. [Acts 1]

Ormly, how do you get this across?

I recently heard a sermon by an older preacher who lamented our generation. He said something to the effect of, "back in those days, everyone knew the Bible stories because they'd been taught it in school. Preaching was exhorting them to remember what they'd already been taught. Nowadays, you have to explain, step by step, the need for the Law, the need for repentance, and the need for Jesus..." (paraphrased)

How do you get through the barriers and arguments these people have been taught in school (like "people in the Bible believed in slavery", "were cruel to women", etc?

Know first that most all people are not living satisified lives and are looking for something that lasts; something they can count on being there, something that fulfills and takes away their anxiety. I believe the highest reason for death in young people is suicide. The worst thing a person can have is, no hope. You are bringing "The Hope" to them.

Never go with the expectation of producing a "spiritual poverty" in anyone. Most won't recognize their need and only the Holy Spirit can do that, but pray as you speak the love of Jesus that they will begin to measure themselve against it and begin to ponder, "woe unto me".

I hear you .... In a way I am saying, one must not go into the arena without having answers. You must have "words" in your Spiritual bank account that the Holy Spirit, when drawing on the account, finds words there for you [Him] to speak:

"...... thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words." Daniel 10:12 (KJV)

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear" 1 Peter 3:15 (KJV)

One must be knowledgable in multiple subjects pertaining to todays current events and life's influences when preaching in order to relate; in order to say, 'I understand but I have come to show you all life and how to have it more abundantly'..... and how to have this abundant life for eternity.

Never was there a day as today when the power of Pentecost was more needed. "Don't leave home without it".

Blessings, :-)

Ormly said: Show them Christ. Reveal to them the Father's intent by restoring man to fellowship with Him. What does Father have in mind by doing it except to bring about His family of sons to rule and reign with Him.

I love it! :-D

From off the Homepage:

[b]Celebrate Immanuel’s Name [/b]

Celebrate Immanuel’s Name, the Prince of life and peace.
God with us, our lips proclaim, our faithful hearts confess.
God is in our flesh revealed; Heav’n and earth in Jesus join.
Mortal with Immortal filled, and human with Divine.

Fullness of the Deity in Jesus’ body dwells,
Dwells in all His saints and me when God His Son reveals.
Father, manifest Thy Son; breathe the true incarnate Word.
In our inmost souls make known the presence of the Lord.

Let the Spirit of our Head through every member flow;
By our Lord inhabited, we then Immanuel know.
Then He doth His Name express; God in us we truly prove,
Find with all the life of grace and all the power of love.

[b]Quote:[/b]

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear" 1 Peter 3:15 (KJV)

One must be knowledgable in multiple subjects pertaining to today's current events and life's influences when preaching in order to relate; in order to say, 'I understand but I have come to show you all life and how to have it more abundantly'..... and how to have this abundant life for eternity.

Never was there a day as today when the power of Pentecost was more needed. "Don't leave home without it".

Blessings, :-)

End Quote.

Christ and Him Crucified. Amen!

Ormly,

In your ignorance you present a condemning message, while demonstrating your Bible prowess to a people you presume to be religious. About Jesus Christ, they aren't. And you aren't either if you believe Jesus came preaching what you preach.

Friend, I preached the Word of God. I do believe Jesus preached what I preach. I got it from His own Words. Paul followed Jesus, and this is what Paul preached to the Romans. You condemn the very message of the bible, if you say that these verses out of Romans should not be preached and taught to souls.

One must be knowledgable in multiple subjects pertaining to todays current events and life's influences when preaching in order to relate; in order to say, 'I understand but I have come to show you all life and how to have it more abundantly'..... and how to have this abundant life for eternity.

One must preach the Word of God and not water it down (so as to meet the needs of carnal men)... by omitting any mention of the holiness of God and man's sinfulness in the light of God's Law and judgements.

Friend, I am ashamed of the seeker-friendly message you preach. It grieves me that you believe Romans 1-2 should not be preached.

Abe_Juliot wrote:
Ormly,

In your ignorance you present a condemning message, while demonstrating your Bible prowess to a people you presume to be religious. About Jesus Christ, they aren't. And you aren't either if you believe Jesus came preaching what you preach.

Friend, I preached the Word of God. I do believe Jesus preached what I preach. I got it from His own Words. Paul followed Jesus, and this is what Paul preached to the Romans. You condemn the very message of the bible, if you say that these verses out of Romans should not be preached and taught to souls.

One must be knowledgable in multiple subjects pertaining to todays current events and life's influences when preaching in order to relate; in order to say, 'I understand but I have come to show you all life and how to have it more abundantly'..... and how to have this abundant life for eternity.

One must preach the Word of God and not water it down (so as to meet the needs of carnal men)... by omitting any mention of the holiness of God and man's sinfulness in the light of God's Law and judgements.

Friend, I am ashamed of the seeker-friendly message you preach. It grieves me that you believe Romans 1-2 should not be preached.

Bro, you can preach what you want. I was asked by Corey to respond to a few of her questions. I believe I did. What you choose to believe of me bothers me little. Spinning wheels is certainly something that is allowed in all religions. However, injury to the cause of Christ is another issue.

It all depends on the condition of each unsaved person's heart.

Someone only led me in the "sinners prayer", yet when Jesus excepted that, I cried face down in repentence for 24 hours.

Yet no one told me about anything more about repentence than what's in that prayer.

I knew I was a stinkin' sinner for most of my life, but no one told me what Jesus had done for us.

Jesus never used a method, He spoke to individuals through The Wisdom of the Holy Spirit that is the only One Who knows each individual's state, their heart and their state of readiness to fully count the cost and follow.

theopenlife wrote:
Ormly, it was actually I who asked, but that matters little.

May I tell you something? I was falsely converted for ten years because someone told me that I had a "hole shaped just right for Jesus" and that He wanted to make me His co-heir. The problem was that I never knew what repentance is, or to what extent I needed Him, so I held all of my sin in my bosom with no intent to ever let go of it.

In effect, I loved sin more than Christ, and your message - without clearly confronting sin - accommodates such a false conversion nicely. This is no intentional slander against you, but I am plainly saying that if I, personally, had not heard the message as it was presented by Abraham, I'd be going to hell still. The holiness of God brought a proud sinner as I was into repentance and then the Gospel brought me to faith.

I am surely not alone in the world, and this means there are many who must hear the holiness and justice of God before they will ascent to their need of Him.

If you say differently, you are essentially sealing the fate of others who are like the person I was.

For consideration, in love,

So what you are saying moved you should move others. I don't know about any false conversion you may have had but subjective preaching will go almost nowhere. Grannie has it right when she not only speaks of her experience but also when she stated what all she stated concerning the Holy Spirit. There are no methods needed when He is doing the soul searching.

Win souls with Christ to Christ and try leaving your fire and brimstone preaching to the preacher whose congregation may need to hear it..

Hi Michael S., you said "we must make distinctions" ....

What the Word says is that HE made the distinctions of individual human conditions/their heart by The Holy Spirit.

We're so autonomous, we don't realise that every work done in our flesh or not by HIS love, not ours, will be burnt up. 1Corth 3 & 13

That's the one law that has gotten lost in all of this. The missing link in Romans 8 and all the words of Jesus, where He said, not one word or action that he said or did came from Himself but by The Father through His Spirit.

He didn't have to work in such utter & total dependence, He was God, but He emptied Himself to become as us for an example onto us.
The first Apostles and Church understood this, but the enemy of our souls has had us working in the flesh as the norm. They say, "Just get out there and do something and talk the talk" and with that you've pleased God.

This is very sad, because it is not acceptable unto The Father.
Why would we live in a way that Jesus didn't ?

He walked in The Spirit, second by second ... getting every "gift" of the Spirit, "the word of knowledge, wisdom, prophecy, healing, miracles" and so on because He depended on God for every word and action.
That is why He could say, I am the Light of the world and now you are the light of the world and "greater things than these shall you do", meaning only greater in numbers because His ministry was shorter than ours.

But we plug along by the letter of the Word rather than by the Spirit.

It's sad and we're missing so many miracles this way and amazing conversions and so forth --- all that He did while here, was His intent for us ... but instead we read books or just read the Bible as any other text.

Total dependence and waiting on God's direction and words is what makes what He did and we should do the "distinctions".

Bless you.

theopenlife wrote:
I do not believe evangelism is a matter of method but of willingness, and of doctrine.

Willingness? One should be evangelizing from one's life because of a love affair with the Father. See John 17. And what Christian doctrine do you hang your hat upon, Calvin, Armininus, Luther? If you speak Christ which one of these "doctrines" are you offending? Which one speaks of damnation as it's main issue? Did Jesus? Did Paul?

I may be willing to tell them they need a savior, but if I cannot tell them why He saves,
how He saves, and what they are being saved from, then here is the issue.

Until I heard it taught the way shown by Abraham, and Paul Washer, and Whitefield, I thought that repentance was optional. As it says in Jude, 22-23

"And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh."

I was the one who needed the fearfulness of my situation to be shown. Thank God someone did.

We must make distinctions.

Indeed, we must. Distinctions are very important.

How about considering redemption to be only a part of the whole message of the gospel and begin asking questions about the "why" of it? How one is to strive to enter the Kingdom of God AFTER his born again experience? How about making the distinction between conversion and regeneration? What is the Pearl of great price or the treasure in the field when discovered, one would sell all he has to buy it? This can not be simply speaking of salvation and converts made at a street meeting, correct?

Lets discuss the whole message of Jesus Christ and see how it will impact your witness.

Why the Son of God became
the Son of Man!

Every true believer knows that the Babe Who was born of the Virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judea over 1900 years ago was the Eternal God become flesh. There can be no question about this among us who have been redeemed from our sins by His precious blood. Assuredly, it is a mystery which we can only faintly comprehend with our finite minds, but faith knows that God became Man.

Why did the Son of God become the Son of Man? Why the Incarnation? All who know Him will immediately answer: "He became man in order to die on the Cross for our sins." This is blessedly true. But there are also other reasons given in the Word of God as to why it was necessary for Christ to take a human body, why it was necessary for the Son of God to become the Son of Man. Let us observe from the Word the various reasons for the Incarnation of the Son of God.

1. Christ became Man in order to die on the Cross for our redemption.

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" (I Tim. 1: 15). "Even as the Son of Man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give His life a ransom for many" (Matt. 20:28).

2. Christ became Man to break sin's power over the believer.

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Rom. 8:2-4). "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not 1, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of .the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me" (Gal. 2:20).

3. Christ became Man in order to defeat Satan.

"For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil" (I John 3:8). "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage" (Heb. 2:14, 15).

4. Christ became Man in order to manifest God to man.

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him" (John 1:18). "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" (John 14:9).

5. Christ became Man to show believers how to walk--to be the believer's example.

"He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked" (I John 2:6). "if, when ye do well and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His steps" (I Pet. 2:20,21).

6. Christ became Man in order to become our High Priest.

"For verily He took not on Him the nature of angels; but He took on Him (the nature of) the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behooved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself hath suffered being tempted, He is able to succor them that are tempted" (Heb. 2: 16-18).

7. Christ became Man to be Israel's King.

"And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call His name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David: and He shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of His kingdom there shall be no end" (Lk. 1:30-33). "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth ... and this is His name whereby He shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Jer. 23:5,6).

All these glorious purposes of the Incarnation will be consummated at the Second Coming of Christ. Then will our redemption be completed, when our bodies are redeemed (Rom. 8:23; Eph. 4:30). Sin will then have no more power at all over us, for we shall be like Him (I John 3:2). And though Satan was defeated at the Cross, God still permits him to reign over this world as an usurper. But his power will be completely broken at the return of the Lord Jesus (Rev. 20:1-3). At His return, our Lord shall manifest God as the God of Judgment, even as He manifested Him as the God of love at His First Coming (Isa. 30:18; Psa. 96:13). Christ is now the believer's example, but we so often fall short of following Him. Then we shall be able to follow Him perfectly, for we shall be like Him (I John 3:2). Then too, His Priesthood will be fully consummated, for He reigns, it shall be as a Priest upon His throne (Zech. 6:12, 13). Then He shall occupy His throne, the throne of His father David (Matt. 25:31).

Wonderful coming day. Joy to the world! The Lord is coming back again. "Even so, come Lord Jesus" (Rev. 22:20).

HE HAS COME! HE IS COMING!

Do you know this wonderful Son of God Who became the Son of Man in order to redeem sinners? "But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name" (John 1:12).

John B. Marchbanks

wrote:
Why the Son of God became
the Son of Man!

Every true believer knows that the Babe Who was born of the Virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judea over 1900 years ago was the Eternal God become flesh. There can be no question about this among us who have been redeemed from our sins by His precious blood. Assuredly, it is a mystery which we can only faintly comprehend with our finite minds, but faith knows that God became Man.

Why did the Son of God become the Son of Man? Why the Incarnation? All who know Him will immediately answer: "He became man in order to die on the Cross for our sins." This is blessedly true. But there are also other reasons given in the Word of God as to why it was necessary for Christ to take a human body, why it was necessary for the Son of God to become the Son of Man. Let us observe from the Word the various reasons for the Incarnation of the Son of God.

1. Christ became Man in order to die on the Cross for our redemption.

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners" (I Tim. 1: 15). "Even as the Son of Man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give His life a ransom for many" (Matt. 20:28).

2. Christ became Man to break sin's power over the believer.

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" (Rom. 8:2-4). "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not 1, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of .the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me" (Gal. 2:20).

3. Christ became Man in order to defeat Satan.

"For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil" (I John 3:8). "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage" (Heb. 2:14, 15).

4. Christ became Man in order to manifest God to man.

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him" (John 1:18). "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" (John 14:9).

5. Christ became Man to show believers how to walk--to be the believer's example.

"He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked" (I John 2:6). "if, when ye do well and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His steps" (I Pet. 2:20,21).

6. Christ became Man in order to become our High Priest.

"For verily He took not on Him the nature of angels; but He took on Him (the nature of) the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behooved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself hath suffered being tempted, He is able to succor them that are tempted" (Heb. 2: 16-18).

7. Christ became Man to be Israel's King.

"And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call His name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David: and He shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of His kingdom there shall be no end" (Lk. 1:30-33). "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth ... and this is His name whereby He shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Jer. 23:5,6).

All these glorious purposes of the Incarnation will be consummated at the Second Coming of Christ. Then will our redemption be completed, when our bodies are redeemed (Rom. 8:23; Eph. 4:30). Sin will then have no more power at all over us, for we shall be like Him (I John 3:2). And though Satan was defeated at the Cross, God still permits him to reign over this world as an usurper. But his power will be completely broken at the return of the Lord Jesus (Rev. 20:1-3). At His return, our Lord shall manifest God as the God of Judgment, even as He manifested Him as the God of love at His First Coming (Isa. 30:18; Psa. 96:13). Christ is now the believer's example, but we so often fall short of following Him. Then we shall be able to follow Him perfectly, for we shall be like Him (I John 3:2). Then too, His Priesthood will be fully consummated, for He reigns, it shall be as a Priest upon His throne (Zech. 6:12, 13). Then He shall occupy His throne, the throne of His father David (Matt. 25:31).

Wonderful coming day. Joy to the world! The Lord is coming back again. "Even so, come Lord Jesus" (Rev. 22:20).

HE HAS COME! HE IS COMING!

Do you know this wonderful Son of God Who became the Son of Man in order to redeem sinners? "But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name" (John 1:12).

John B. Marchbanks

WHY?

LoveHim wrote:

WHY?

brother ormly, are you asking why He came to do these things? to reconcile man back to His Father. why did He do that? because His Father desired sons and daughters to be with Him (that's what i would say). also because man could not be with Him any other way. God had to do something and something He surely did. :-)

write back, i've enjoyed our talk on this thread.. ;-)

Thanks. I believe you are thinking correctly however, taking it just that far doesn't sustain me in my thinking. It's as saying He does it for His pleasure.

Try this: We know that Christ is equal with the Father. That is not arguable however, Christ now has a new human Body in which He dwells. That body of course belongs to Jesus. Ergo, Jesus is the "new" Christ of eternity, the first of first fruits. If as we believe Father is desiring a vast family of sons, they will be just as Jesus. They won't ever be Jesus but, as He is we shall be. Rulers and reigners; joinheirs with Him, divine humans expressing the Fathers Nture and Character throughout the unviverse for all eternity. Now what does that say about what our relationship with the Father should be now? See John 17.

Speaking of Christ:

[i]Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me[/i]
Heb 10:5 (KJV)

LoveHim wrote:
brother ormly, i don't know exactly what you mean with john 17. i just read it and the only thing i seen was where jesus prayed that we may be in Him as He is in the Father..but i don't know exactly what you mean with john 17..

please write back when you get a chance and explain what you mean..

Jesus prayed for His follows to be in union with the Father as He was. Surely you read that part? What do you believe He had in mind when speaking that prayer? Think about that and consider we were begotten in Christ, as Jesus was, before the worlds. [Eph.1] And, since we were begotten again [1 Pet.1,3 kjv], having been restored to a condition whereby we can be groomed for sonship/divinity as Jesus was. "He learned obedience by the things He suffered" [passion]. He showed us the "Way of the Cross" and by the "Work of the Cross" made it all possible that we might partake of the same "passion", "Way of the Cross". On the Cross He said: "It is Finished". This was Father's intention for Adam. It is now His intention for us, that we be brought into Glory.

Christinyou wrote:
It should be as Jesus portraied it in John 17. One with each other and one with God and Christ. If you just keep reading it, it becomes closer and closer to what we are in Christ and each other. It is us in Him, Him in us, and us in God the Father and the Father in us, and the Holy Spirit teaching us more and more about this Oneness we are already in Christ and the Father and the Holy Spirit and each other. Keep it up Orm. Thank you Father, we are getting closer and closer to who we are, son's of the living God our Father. Amen

In Christ: Phillip

Thank you Phillip, for your agreement in this as I believe it needs be seen. However, embracing it is to recognize that it is by the "way of the Cross", the giving up of our "Self" rights to the Father, as Jesus did [Adam was supposed to] that we begin to see the "WHY" of creation; the "WHY" of it all. Oh the Joy of knowing that Heaven is no longer the goal but jointheir-ship with Christ, is! We, the faithful in Christ, [Eph.1.1]are being groomed for such union with the Father. Since we have been begotten again in Him, it is now possible for us to see His Kingdom and enter it. [John 3.3,5] Our striving in this life must be for entering it by the "way of the Cross"... and it can not but be a violent endeavor for most all begotten again in Him. It is the "Pearl of Great price" we can see if we can get beyond thinking redemption is all there is and holding til our knuckles are white until our death.

We need more sermons preached that speak of the whole message of Christ and not just part of it.

Christinyou wrote:
God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called [me] by his grace

"When it pleased God", this is how we all are seperated, by His Grace. Not by the choice of man or the works of man but by the Cross of Christ and His Life we have been given by our new birth.

Then it is revealed to us in His timing. Galatians 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:

Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward

Praise God it is He who reveals in His timing who we are in Christ. The freedom of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Colossians 1:25-27 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

It is wonderful to see all this happening to you Orm, and I see it in me also. Not my doing but His. Others are being brought to this amazing truth. The Children of God by His Choice.

In Christ: Phillip

Yes, and how bad does everyone He calls want to be chosen? Isn't that the issue? What do we see absent from the ones called and yet not chosen --- yet believes he is chosen? What's missing in the life of the one who claims the Name of Christ yet speaks little of him?

theopenlife wrote:
Ormly, I'm still confused by your posts. You wrote,

nd, since we were begotten again [1 Pet.1,3 kjv], having been restored to a condition whereby we can be groomed for sonship/divinity as Jesus was.

Would you please elaborate on your use of the word divinity, and tell me in what we you think the elect shall be made "divine"?