Some sermons that can "help" us and "inspire" us before the conference
If you have a message that "fits" in here please do share!
Christian
Some sermons that can "help" us and "inspire" us before the conference
If you have a message that "fits" in here please do share!
Christian
If you have a message that "fits" in here please do share!
Christ in Us
The Revival at Asbury College (Video) by ~Miscellaneous
Canadian Revival Story by Bill McLeod
The Canadian Revival (video) by Bill McLeod
The Revival at Asbury College (Video) by ~Miscellaneous
Greg, you've provoked me (in the best way, I hope) with this:
But .... you areOh may God move suddenly in our midst in Canton.
This is something I learned from Edgar Parkyns the only time I heard him speak at a church. He easily slipped into little mimes. (He was preaching from Jesus' story of the man who went to his friend's house at midnight, to borrow bread for a guest.) Now he was indicating the shape of a cold drinks machine... It is faith which makes you put the coin in the slot. You see and are sure of what you are about to receive. But, when nothing happens... no can of coke falls into the tray, it is with [i]hope[i]hope[i]expect to receive
Amen.
I'm sure you're all going to be mightily blessed as you receive God's word to your lives. I'm looking forward to what He's going to say to me, all right. There is [i]no risk
I love readig about Azusa Street. I have been to meetings where the spirit of God takes over. A person or group of people have to be willing to step aside. The focus cannot be on yourself or a speaker but on the Lord. The pastor of this church I went to said "do whatever you feel led to do". When do you ever hear that in church??? I felt led to get on my knees and lift my hands. He had a gift of discernment and he said that virtue was coming out of me. Several people touched me and said they felt it. I never had anything like that happen to me. It was really an awesome feeling. Has anyone had any similar experiences? I would love to hear them! :)
Frank Bartleman
Friday, June 15, at “Azusa,” the Spirit dropped the “heavenly chorus” into my soul. I found myself suddenly joining the rest who had received this supernatural “gift.” It was a spontaneous manifestation and rapture no earthly tongue can describe. In the beginning this manifestation was wonderfully pure and powerful. We feared to try to reproduce it, as with the “tongues” also. Now many seemingly have no hesitation in imitating all the “gifts.” No one could understand this “gift of song” but those who had it. It was indeed a “new song” in the Spirit. When I first heard it in the meeting a great hunger entered my soul to receive it. I felt it would exactly express my pent up feelings. I had not yet spoken in “tongues.” But the “new song” captured me. It was a gift from God of high order, and appeared among us soon after the “Azusa” work began. No one had preached it. The Lord had sovereignly bestowed it, with the outpouring of the “residue of oil,” the “Latter Rain” baptism of the Spirit. It was exercised, as the Spirit moved the possessors, either in solo fashion, or by the company. It was sometimes without words, other times in “tongues.” The effect was wonderful on the people. It brought a heavenly atmosphere, as though the angels themselves were present and joining with us. And possibly they were. It seemed to still criticism and opposition, and was hard for even wicked men to gainsay or ridicule.
Some have condemned this “new song,” without words. But was not sound given before language? And is there not intelligence without language also? Who composed the first song? Must we necessarily follow some man’s composition, before us, always? We are too much worshippers of tradition. The speaking in “tongues” is not according to man’s wisdom or understanding. Then why not a “gift of song?” It is certainly a rebuke to the “jazzy” religious songs of our day. And possibly it was given for that purpose. Yet some of the old hymns are very good to sing, also. We need not desire or treat lightly of them. Some one has said that every fresh revival brings in its own hymnology. And this one surely did.
In the beginning in “Azusa” we had no musical instruments. In fact we felt no need of them. There was no place for them in our worship. All was spontaneous. We did not even sing from hymnbooks. All the old well-known hymns were sung from memory, quickened by the Spirit of God. “The Comforter Has Come,” was possibly the one must sung. We sang it from fresh, powerful heart experience. Oh, how the power of God filled and thrilled us. Then the “blood” songs were very popular. “The life is in the blood. “Sinai, Calvary, and Pentecost, all had their rightful place in the “Azusa” work. But the “new song” was altogether different, not of human composition. It cannot be successfully counterfeited. The crow cannot imitate the dove. But they finally began to despise this “gift,” when the human spirit asserted itself again. They drove it out by hymnbooks, and selected songs by leaders. It was like murdering the Spirit, and most painful to some of us, but the tide was too strong against us. Hymnbooks today are largely a commercial proposition, and we would not lose much without most of them. The old tunes, even, are violated by change, and new styles must be gotten out of every season, for added profit. There is very little real spirit of worship in them. They move the toes, but not the hearts of men. The spirit of song given from God in the beginning was like the Aeolian harp, in its spontaneity and sweetness. In fact it was the very breath of God, playing on human heartstrings, or human vocal cords. The notes were wonderful in sweetness, volume and duration. In fact they were of times humanly impossible. It was “singing in the Spirit.”
Brother Seymour was recognized as the nominal leader in charge. But we had no pope or hierarchy. We were “brethren.” We had no human program. The Lord Himself was leading. We had no priest class, nor priest craft. These things have come in later, with the apostatizing of the movement. We did not even have a platform or pulpit in the beginning. All were on a level. The ministers were servants, according to the true meaning of the word. We did not honor men for their advantage, in means or education, but rather for their God-given “gifts” He set the members in the “body.” Now” A wonderful and horrible thing is come to pass in the land. The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and My people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof.” –Jer. 5:30, 31. Also “AS for my people, children are their oppressors (sometimes grown up ones), and women rule over them.”
- Isa 3:12.
Brother Seymour generally sat behind two empty shoeboxes, one on top of the other. He usually kept his head inside the top one during the meeting, in prayer. There was no pride there. The services ran almost continuously. Seeking souls could be found under the power almost any hour, night and day. The place was never closed nor empty. The people came to meet God. He was always there. Hence a continuous meeting. The meeting did not depend on the human leader. God’s presences become more and more wonderful. In that old building, with its low rafters and bare floors, God took strong men and women to pieces, and put them together again, for His glory. It was a tremendous overhauling process. Pride and self-assertion, self-importance and self-esteem, could not survive there. The religious ego preaches its own funeral sermon quickly.
No subjects or sermons were announced ahead of time, and no special speakers for such an hour. No one knew what might be coming, What God would do. All was spontaneous, ordered of the Spirit. We wanted to hear from God, through whoever he might speak. We had no “respect of persons” The rich and educated were the dame as the poor and ignorant, and found a much harder death to die. We only recognized God. All were equal. No flesh might glory in His presence. He could not use the self-only recognized opinionated. Those were Holy Ghost meetings, led of the Lord. It had to start in the poor surroundings, God. All were equal. No flesh might glory in His presence. He could not use the self- to keep out the selfish, human element. All came down in humility together, at His feet. They all looked alike, and had all things in common in that sense at least. The rafters were low, the tall must come down. By the time they got to “Azusa” they were humbled, ready for the blessing. The food was thus placed for the lambs, not for giraffes. All could reach it.
We were delivered right there from ecclesiastical hierarchism and abuse. We wanted God. When we first reached the meeting we avoided as much as possible human contact and greeting. We wanted to meet God first. We got our head under some bench in the corner in prayer, and met men only in the Spirit, knowing them “after the flesh” no more. The meetings started themselves, spontaneously, in testimony, praise and worship. The testimonies were never hurried by a call for “popcorn.” We had no prearranged programmed to be jammed through the time. Our time was the Lord’s. We had real testimonies from fresh heart-experience. Otherwise, the shorter the testimonies, the better. A dozen might be on their feet at one time, trembling under the mighty power of god. We did not have to get our cur from some leader. And we were free from lawlessness. We were shut up to God in prayer in the meetings, our minds on Him. All obeyed God, in meekness and humility. In honor we “preferred one another.” The Lord was liable to burst through any one. We prayed for this continually. Some one would finally get up anointed for the message. All seemed to recognize this and gave way. It might be a child, a woman, or a man. It might be from the back seat, or from the front. It made no difference. We rejoiced that God was working. No one wished to show himself. We thought only of obeying God.
In fact there was an atmosphere of God there that forbade any one but a fool attempting to put himself forward without the real anointing. And such did not last long. The Spirit, from the throne controlled the meetings. Those were truly wonderful days. I often said that I would rather live six months at that time than fifty years of ordinary life. But God is just the same today. Only we have changed.
Some one might be speaking. Suddenly the Spirit would fall upon the congregation. God himself would give the altar call. Men would fall all over the house, like the slain in battle, or rush for the altar enmasse, to seek God. The scene often resembled a forest of fallen trees. Such a scene cannot be imitated. I never saw an altar call given in those early days. God himself would call them. And the preacher knew when to quit. When He spoke we all obeyed. It seemed a fearful thing to hinder or grieve the Spirit. The whole place was steeped in prayer, God was in His holy temple. It was for man to keep silent. The shekinah glory rested there. In fact some claim to have seen the glory by night over the building. I do not doubt it. I have stopped more than once within two blocks of the place and prayed for strength before I dared to go on. The presence of the Lord was so real.
Presumptuous men would sometimes come among us. Especially preachers who would try to spread themselves, in self-opinionating. But their effort was short lived. The breath would be taken from them. Their minds would wander, their brains reel. Things would turn black before their eyes. They could not go on. I never saw one get by with it in those days. They were up against God. No one cut them off. We simply prayed. The Holy Spirit did the rest. We wanted the Spirit to control. He wound them up in short order. They were carried out dead, spiritually speaking. They generally bit the dust in humility, going through the process we had all gone through. In other words they died out, came to see themselves in all their weakness, then in childlike humility and confession were taken up of God, transformed through the mighty “baptism” in the Spirit. The “old man” died with all his pride, arrogancy and good works. In my own case I came to abhor myself. I begged the Lord to drop a curtain so close behind me on my past that it would hit my heels. He told me to forget every good deed as though it had never occurred, as soon as it was accomplished anything for Him, lest my good works become a snare to me.
We saw some wonderful things in those days. Even very good men came to abhor themselves in the clearer light of God. The preachers died the hardest. But when God got through with them they gladly turned a new page and chapter. That was one reason they fought so hard. Death is not at all a pleasant experience. And strong men die hard.
The testimony of Frank Bartleman is excepted from his book, "How Pentecost Came to Los Angeles." Christian Life Books plans to republish the original book, unedited and with the original title.
In my own case I came to abhor myself. I begged the Lord to drop a curtain so close behind me on my past that it would hit my heels.
Some one might be speaking. Suddenly the Spirit would fall upon the congregation. God himself would give the altar call.
Have been thinking today of my/our need, to have a tender heart. A heart of flesh, and not stone.
Is my heart tender to God?
amen,
my prayers are with you all, may Christ get glory in this blessed event
love your brother
andy
Amen! I just wanted to make it clear I by no means meant to go looking for an experience because that is not AT ALL what it is about. The reason I brought up what happened to me is to show what can happen when man takes his hands off and allows God to move freely. I never have been to a meeting where a pastor said "do whatever you feel led to do!" Can you imagine when truly God seeking people are allowed to worship Him freely? I would love to attend a meeting sometime where there are no special speakers or any such thing. I would love to see a meeting where you just meet at a certain time with an open pulpit free to whatever man feels led.I would like to see a meeting where we just sit there and wait on God till He moves.
The man who led this meeting I went to doesn't even know how to read.
I won't be able to attend this meeting but I will be praying.
Glorytoglory, thank you for sharing this about Azusa. As I read it, it is like a laser beam. Tremendous.
"“The Comforter Has Come,” was possibly the one must sung. We sang it from fresh, powerful heart experience."
"But they finally began to despise this “gift,” when the human spirit asserted itself again."
"We were “brethren.” We had no human program. The Lord Himself was leading."
"The ministers were servants, according to the true meaning of the word. We did not honor men for their advantage, in means or education, but rather for their God-given “gifts” He set the members in the “body.”"
"Seeking souls could be found under the power almost any hour, night and day."
"In that old building, with its low rafters and bare floors, God took strong men and women to pieces, and put them together again, for His glory. It was a tremendous overhauling process. Pride and self-assertion, self-importance and self-esteem, could not survive there. The religious ego preaches its own funeral sermon quickly."
"We only recognized God. All were equal. No flesh might glory in His presence."
"The food was thus placed for the lambs, not for giraffes. All could reach it."
"We wanted to meet God first. We got our head under some bench in the corner in prayer, and met men only in the Spirit, knowing them “after the flesh” no more."
"The Lord was liable to burst through any one. We prayed for this continually. Some one would finally get up anointed for the message. All seemed to recognize this and gave way. It might be a child, a woman, or a man. It might be from the back seat, or from the front. It made no difference. We rejoiced that God was working. No one wished to show himself. We thought only of obeying God."
"They generally bit the dust in humility, going through the process we had all gone through. In other words they died out, came to see themselves in all their weakness, then in childlike humility and confession were taken up of God, transformed through the mighty “baptism” in the Spirit."
"That was one reason they fought so hard. Death is not at all a pleasant experience. And strong men die hard."
"I will go in the strength of the Lord GOD: I will make mention of thy righteousness, even of thine only."
-Psalm 71:16(KJV)
You know what is so amazing is we think that when we are active that is when the blessing begins but it's when activity ENDS that blessing begins! :)
When man is still God moves and their is all kinds of activity and it's the kind that brings forth good fruit!
At Azusa they didn't even have a pulpit.A pulpit suggests that a man is in charge. The nominal leader had his head in a shoebox!
How hard it is to be still! Actually it is not hard at all but we are so full of ourselves!
If you want activity that brings forth good fruit be still first than move when God moves.
The question isn't can God bring revival but can man get out of the way?
I've heard plenty of sermons. I believe this websight says that there are over 14,000 sermons so far. Hasn't man said enough???
"Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah."
-Psalm 46:10-11
glorytoglory,
"How hard it is to be still! Actually it is not hard at all but we are so full of ourselves!"
I think this has definitely been my problem. Somewhere along the way after my conversion I began to think I could do something for God. Or I wanted to. Why, for my own glory? To say, 'there is something good in me', even if to say it just to myself. And even if there was something 'good' in me, my own nature, so what, what is it compared to God and His Greatness!? And what do I have that He did not give to me? Do I want to take what He has given me and let it shine for myself? Why do I not rather want to shine for God?
That God may be ALL in ALL.
"Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle."
-Psalm 24:7-8(KJV)
"The works of the LORD are great, sought out of all them that have pleasure therein. His work is honorable and glorious: and his righteousness endureth forever. He hath made his wonderful works to be remembered: the LORD is gracious and full of compassion."
-Psalm 111:2-4(KJV)
His works.
ChrisJD Quote:
"Somewhere along the way after my conversion I began to think I could do something for God. Or I wanted to. Why, for my own glory? To say, 'there is something good in me', even if to say it just to myself. And even if there was something 'good' in me, my own nature, so what, what is it compared to God and His Greatness!?..."
Amen! What makes us think that we can shine without God? If God wanted us to shine can't He make us shine??? Shouldn't we wait on God first? Absolutely! Maybe we just don't like the way He has called us to shine. We want to shine our own way which is not shining at all!
Maybe God has given us a shoebox and we just don't want to put our head in it. We think were too good and our own way is so much better!
How did we get so messed up? How true it is that we are destroyed because of a lack of knowledge. That is really a sad verse because I believe this is talking about christians who really want to please God but like dumb sheep we have gone astray. We have no excuse though it is sinful.
Alot of this is unbelief or even pride. We don't really believe God can do it without us!
How many more laps are we going to take around the desert? It's because of unbelief they could not enter the promise land.
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Thank you brother. The title alone grabbed the attention, the description enforced it, "Remember Jesus Christ" and if anything might this be the first word as well as the last.
Glorytoglory, thank you for sharing this about Azusa. As I read it, it is like a laser beam. Tremendous.
Indeed ...
The question isn't can God bring revival but can man get out of the way?
Truth.
I've heard plenty of sermons. I believe this websight says that there are over 14,000 sermons so far. Hasn't man said enough???
Understanding that, yet, since the Lord has chosen not to leave us any audible recordings Himself ... ;-)
Coinciding with the original title of this post, "Preparing" and recognizing that, praying rather, that these men will speak what the Lord puts on their hearts ... Perhaps what I am struggling to say is ... whether in speech or in silence the Lord have sway.
Paradoxically, wanted to acknowledge the aforementioned link as but one and noticed the featured sermon Greg put up, "The Price of Revival" by Leonard Ravenhill as another, for traveling (travailing?) purposes, to stir us, 'prepare' those of us going to the conference.
Looking for others to draw nourishment and contemplation from ...
Another recommendation;
crsschk Quote:
"Understanding that, yet, since the Lord has chosen not to leave us any audible recordings Himself ..."
Amen brother don't misunderstand me, I praise God for all 14,000+!
As far as the Lord not leaving any audible recordings of Himself I'm sure He would be glad to speak live! :)
You all know this chapter, but i "feel" I wanted to share it here, some good things to come to God in prayer about.
Isa 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
Isa 58:2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.
Isa 58:3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.
Isa 58:4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.
Isa 58:5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?
Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.
Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
Isa 58:10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
Isa 58:11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
Isa 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
[url=http://64.34.176.235/sermons/SID16132.mp3]The Anointed Prayer Life
Just take the time to listen to the first ten minutes on broken people and proud people. That list...oh! reveals pride in my life every time I hear it! Oh the need that is me for a deeper working of God.
I've just started to listening to this sermon, but like I said, just take ten minutes to hear that list...ten minutes.
Roniya wrote:[url=http://64.34.176.235/sermons/SID16132.mp3]The Anointed Prayer Life[/url] by Gerhard Du ToitJust take the time to listen to the first ten minutes on broken people and proud people. That list...oh! reveals pride in my life every time I hear it! Oh the need that is me for a deeper working of God.
I've just started to listening to this sermon, but like I said, just take ten minutes to hear that list...ten minutes.
AMEN! I also have been convicted every time I have heard it! it has been on my "to transcribe and translate list" for some time, and I agree with Roniya you should take the time to listen to this....
Christian
Ronyia
"The Anointed Prayer Life by Gerhard Du Toit
Just take the time to listen to the first ten minutes on broken people and proud people. That list...oh! reveals pride in my life every time I hear it! Oh the need that is me for a deeper working of God.
I've just started to listening to this sermon, but like I said, just take ten minutes to hear that list...ten minutes."
Just listened. It was right on spot. I need it.
I need it! God Almighty, in mercy and tenderness, break my pround heart and make it tender!
Another message that may be helpfull for us...
I listend to this recently.
Thank you saints ... looking forward to these.
It dawned on me, reflecting back now after all these years to some first inceptions;
[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=2903]The Revival Hymn
[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=3843]A Call to Anguish
The last one especially ...
Just posted a hymn - The Church's one foundation is Jesus Christ her Lord - in the 'Reminder' thread. [url=http://www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh545.sht]http://www.hymnsite.com/lyrics/umh545.sht
Many similar sentiments in these words also....
'...With the cross of Jesus, going on before.'
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!
[i]Refrain[i]Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
[i]Refrain
Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
[i]Refrain
Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.
[i]Refrain
Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.
[i]Refrain
Tune: St Gertrude (Sullivan)[url=http://www.mfiles.co.uk/scores/onward-christian-soldiers.htm]http://www.mfiles.co.uk/scores/onward-christian-soldiers.htm
Bring your own shoebox!
Figuratively speaking of course... :)
I think the best my beloved is to be with God alone and pray and read and fast
in his love
charlene
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dohzman said
You've wanted nothing to do with the saints here so why do you want revival? You just want to be alone and have shown it by your actions, you want nothing to do with being where the word is preached on wednesday or as far as I know sunday, you want to do your own thing when it comes to prayer and you have no respect for spiritual authority or order here locally. So I see your christianity as you being by yourself, but the bible calls the church the "Body" of Christ. You dear sister you are dis- jointed and out of order. You have accepted all the hospitality of the saints here and have shown no real desire to be with the body of Christ locally. There is something big wrong here sis that you need to be delivered of because your brand of christianity doesn't square with the Word of God as found in the Bible.
Well, aren't you the model of piety, charity and love...?
Listen up, "tough guy", if Charlene's become disillusioned by modern religidiots like you, and decides to worship, fast and pray to the Lord in secret - that's her choice. And Jesus stands by her all the way:
"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." (MATT 6:6)
If she craves intimacy with the Lord she has every right to take "the narrow road" and be taught of the Spirit in private prayer:
"Through desire a man, having separated himself, seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom." (PRO 18:1)
I, for one, am infinately overjoyed that Charlene has the discernment to "come out of her" (REV 18:4) and to get on her knees in secret (MATT 6:6) to intercede for me, for you, for all the folks on this forum, for the U.S., and for the world.
"...but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word... Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but [i]he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.
You go, girl!
You've wanted nothing to do with the saints here so why do you want revival? You just want to be alone and have shown it by your actions, you want nothing to do with being where the word is preached on wednesday or as far as I know sunday, you want to do your own thing when it comes to prayer and you have no respect for spiritual authority or order here locally. So I see your christianity as you being by yourself, but the bible calls the church the "Body" of Christ. You dear sister you are dis- jointed and out of order. You have accepted all the hospitality of the saints here and have shown no real desire to be with the body of Christ locally. There is something big wrong here sis that you need to be delivered of because your brand of christianity doesn't square with the Word of God as found in the Bible.
I normally don't get involved in these types of discussions, but I could not sit by silently while my sister is attacked. I have been praying with Charlene on a regular basis, specifically for this revival conference, since July. She is the one that seeks out prayer and fellowship with other believers here on SI. She is the one who seeks to find out how she can pray for the believers here on SI. We never have had a prayer time together where she does not pray for many of you by name and we ALWAYS pray for the body of Christ. My experience in knowing Charlene is that she loves the Lord and she loves the body of Christ and she grieves over the deception that she sees. I have never know Charlene to hold to any "brand" of Christianity other than a desire to seek the Lord in sincerity and holiness and to live a life in accordance with His Word. Brother, your accusation is harsh and unfair.
Danielle
Post deleted--my comments were not in keeping with the original post, I repent.
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Mr. Daryl Miller,
You speak regarding prayer fellowship where there is none – according to your own words on your own community, the Christian churches in Canton.
You speak regarding trustworthiness and withdrawal, commitment to the body and isolation – your personal testimony is heavily compromised, especially in your own fellowship, regarding these issues as you are not able to honour commitments.
Your words and your promises fail like rain in times of drought.
You cannot speak against the weak ones in the Body the way you do. Your accusations bounce back, with revelatory preciseness accusing yourself.
Please, for the sake of revival and the revival conference beginning in your own church today, reconsider your own path.
Walkington
One who spies out the land, and have learnt what is going on. . .
dohzman said
When a christian seperates themselves from any of these thier walk (life) is out of order and they will come to eventually to destruction. We have a saying here thats a little humorous, "The banana that srays from the bunch gets pealed".
Walking bananas, eh? Good one...
Christians like Charlene and myself recognize the voice of the shepherd - and all the superficially selfish prayers made by stagnant, unsaved religionists and their unregenerated congregations in temples of babylon who celebrate the sacriments with rock&roll worship bands - sound nothing like Him.
"And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers." (JOHN 10:4-5)
We worship Him "neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem" (JOHN 4:21). The Lord seeks those who "worship in spirit" (JOHN 4:24).
The Church, not the current abomination called "religious establishment", is being taught by the Spirit of God. We aren't required to sign the wavers, take a membership card, and be bound by chains of gold - which are the hardest chains to break. "Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents (666) of gold (I KINGS 10:14).
The "communion of saints" cannot be reduced to a place nor a denomination nor a statement of faith. It supercedes the boundries of space and time. And the sheep not only recognize their Shepherd's Voice, but discern one another's voices as well.
No wonder you're upset Charlene cannot pray as you and the multitudes do! Christ calls many, but chooses few. When Jesus calls a man or woman, He calls them take up their cross and die! Alone, forsaken, abused, humiliated... and persecuted by the religious majority.
She doesn't pray like you because [i]she's an entirely different creature than you.
Only a few take the path called "Narrow" and the gate called "Straight". So straight and narrow that only one may enter in at a time.
"[i]Thou hast built [b]thy high place at every head of the way[i]Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, [b]pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." (REV 18:4-5)
You know, Cain was a religious man, too.
I just hope people pray as much for each other as pointing fingers, even as i see many "truths" spoken here, i can not see the love...
just be careful people,
Christian
Don't worry Corey, I will be dropping off the forums and My posts will remain silent.
dohzman said
I hope this is not true except for your busy-ness during the conference and other obligations which already keep you away.I will be dropping off the forums
You know I am for [u]closing rank
The body is already groaning on the ground due to multiple injuries, separations and neglect. May God bring healing to many of us, spiritually.
Without us being [i]made
EDIT: When I posted the above, I had not noticed that Bro Daryl's reference to his posts remaining 'silent' was because he had deleted them.
Daryl, I know your heart for the sheep is [i]love
Maybe this applies especially to sisters, who are charged with submitting to the brethren. But if brethren are not submitted to Christ, it's not just hard, it's impossible. It ceases to be Christianity in such circumstances.
That kind of leadership also brands the believers who get [i]together[i]each other[u]to pray
I thank the Lord for your hard work and obedience in all that you've done to make the Revival Conference come into being. May you be satisfied in Christ, however He restores you.
A confronting message is needed, even – at this point – a public one, to save a brother on his way straying from the flock.
To choose to hinder such a message, even in ignorance and in mis-guided love, is to make oneself a sinner’s defender and partner.
The sin committed is far deeper than the one against a dear sister in this forum.
The repentance called for would save the face of parts of the local Church in Canton in regards to the conference situation at hand.
Walkington
Charlene is the most devoted Christian I have ever met. God's grace has worked in her life in so many ways, and especially in prayer. One thing I really like about how Charlene prays is how saturated her prayers are with the Word of God. I've known Charlene here in Arizona for about 2 years.. and I know that her prayers are not for show. People accuse her of this because they can't understand how anyone could possibly pray with such ferverance or diligence, spending even days in prayer. It's because they don't understand the need and power in the hard work that prayer can be. And I confess that often I'm one of those people who doesn't seem to grasp the importance of prayer. A lot of times Charlene has to pray alone because her prayers, so filled with truth and God's word can cause conviction in the hearts of those who hear... and a lot of people don't like to be convicted... they would rather have just happy little prayer times instead of address these deep heart issues of sin and the state of deception and darkness in this wicked world. God teaches me so much when Charlene prays! So I just want to let you all know that. Praise God for the work He has done in Charlene and the work that he will finish in her!
I don't come in here very often anymore, but this last exchange is deeply grievious to me. I have to wonder what's going on in Canton. This kind of thing is frightening. Is there anyone we can trust? Is there anyone who is a friend of God? Is the whole world abandoned to godlessness? Are we all just living in our own delusions?
I tell you what, Darryl. This sort of thing is the reason I'm at home alone on my face in prayer. I don't know who to trust besides the Holy Spirit. Dian.
I rarely post at SI these days, but I have spent much time with Charlene (AwakenWithin), Linn (Dorcas), Joy (Roniya), and many others, praying for this meeting that could affect so many in so many ways.
I have been greatly distressed to find Charlene beaten up emotionally over merely withdrawing from prayer as she had need.
My brothers and sisters, it was I, for her health, which is dangerously precarious, who required her to promise me she would go aside as she felt the need, rest, and pray for strength to finish the 6 hour prayer marathons you were embarking upon, and to seek to nourish her depleted diabetic system, aggravated as it is by a dangerous parasite that she picked up in China on a mission.
I told her that God would uphold her, and if those at the conferance did not understand, God would.
In her obedience to me, and to the Holy Spirit to take care of the temple God inhabits, she has been publically pilloried.
To take care of her health, of her body, which belongs to God, she has been crucified in the spirit, and publically chastised on this forum.
Charlene may welcome such suffering, as Christlike in nature, being misjudged, and publically condemned, but I do not.
I am ashamed of what these forums are becoming...a place to judge and attack, without even ascertaining the facts.
And worse, to be so openly condemned for merely taking the requisate care of herself, I find myself wishing I had not made her promise to take care of herself, for such a tiny matter as drawing aside to recover herself, and to pray quietly, for strength to carry on.
Daryl, you say you repent of what you posted and will not post again.
Repent all you want, post all you want, but take care of Charlene...she is far more fragile physically and emotionally than you will ever grasp, and you have laid the lashes of your words against her, to beat on her soul.
Pray not for revival...pray for the healing of the sick among you who have laid themselves open for your condemnation rather than shirk the duty of prayer for you to succeed!
When Charlene is healed of the illness she bears up under, and the pain you laid her spirit open to, perhaps then the Holy Spirit will actually hear you when you pray for revival.
Until then, my prayers will be with her alone.
In sorrow,
Forrest Anderson
We have some unique postings here to learn from.
Charlene asked us today to pray for her for another round under the hand of God to bring humility to her life.
She, and so many others, is also in need of hearing many kind words – words like the ones produced in the later postings in this thread.
We say “thank you” dear ones, for love in demonstration.
We pray for a recovering of the testimony at all levels in this web community as well as in the Canton community.
Walkington
"Love does not keep a record of sin"
but pride does..........
Everyone check [b]your
listen to the first ten minutes of this message....
[url=http://64.34.176.235/sermons/SID16132.mp3]The Anointed Prayer Life
Real love brings the sinner under the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
Real love is ready to carry the sinner to the cross in prayer and through counselling.
Revival convicts regarding the necessity of a turning away from modern sloppy agape. . .
[i]So it is, when the Lord determines to secure for Himself that vessel of peculiar purpose, and cuts off all the many activities, works, and occupations which, while being in the same household of faith and in some relation to Himself, are largely by the energies of nature and the facility of man. When and where there are not those usual accompaniments and outworkings, those issues and results, the evidences and proofs; then there is criticism, taunting, the pointing of the finger, and grievous imputations. The very acts of Divine sovereignty are given a twist to mean just the opposite of God's thought. So one system of things taunts the other. Well, so be it! It ever was. It ever will be. But wait! Samuel did come, and one Samuel meant more to God than all the children of Peninnah put together. And yet it is not a matter of comparative values. Samuel was for an hour of peculiar need. The suffering in connection with his coming into life was so deep as to solemnize beyond the suspicion of pride or comparison. All questions of self-realisation, vindication, or satisfaction had been tested in the fire, and the refined issue was the glory of God.
Sparks
Hi walkington, I did a search on your, this thread was hard to follow, it seemed out of place and didnt make sensebut i wanted to coment about your post here.
YOU said:
Real love brings the sinner under the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
Real love is ready to carry the sinner to the cross in prayer and through counselling.
Revival convicts regarding the necessity of a turning away from modern sloppy agape. . .
real love is patient kind gentle considerate, jesus said by this shall all men know u r my desciples, by the love u have toward one another. god is love and as such he places that love in us so that by love we can touch lost humanity, its the holy spirits job to convict, i think in life you want to be the holy spirit.
cary the sinner to the cross in prayer?u r messed up! real love will carry the cros for the siner, we call that burden bearing. my great granny carryed me by prayer for 20 years until one day i surrendered to jesus my whole heart, she never preached to me. counselling???thats funney, in another thread you posted against such modern things, i thhink u r mixed up, off the wall and out to lunch.
modern sloppy agape...that statement id foolish because it is a contradiction in terms. i ll bet you have never sat up all nite with some going through dt s have you? as a matter of fact i ll bet you cant name one starnger that u have loved unconditionally and won 4 christ. i think u need to repent of hipocracy.
what did this person do? seems like everyone is willing to kill them rather than save them and has them already in hell. thier posts say they repented so what did they do that was so wrong that you have them in hell?i think ill do a search on this person and learn more, maybe i can help.
Spitfire wrote:
I don't come in here very often anymore, but this last exchange is deeply grievous to me. I have to wonder what's going on in Canton. This kind of thing is frightening. Is there anyone we can trust? Is there anyone who is a friend of God? Is the whole world abandoned to godlessness? Are we all just living in our own delusions?
The charge will be how dare anyone comment on or question Canton this week…. But it seems not everyone is comfortable with something that as of yet is hard to identify. Can anyone relate?
Just asking, please a simple question need not be construed as quenching the Spirit. What is God-Ordained must be supported.
truth1 said:
Spitfire wrote:I don't come in here very often anymore, but this last exchange is deeply grievous to me. I have to wonder what's going on in Canton. This kind of thing is frightening. Is there anyone we can trust? Is there anyone who is a friend of God? Is the whole world abandoned to godlessness? Are we all just living in our own delusions?
The charge will be how dare anyone comment on or question Canton this week…. But it seems not everyone is comfortable with something that as of yet is hard to identify. Can anyone relate?
Yes I can, and I'm not even there.
Could you expand on what you believe is "off"?
Yes I can, and I'm not even there.
After 3 days of true unity across such a wide spectrum of similar yet diviging truths, of true spiritual, as well as practical cooperation ...
Many of you cannot know the things that have gone on here, what might be going on behind the scenes as it were. There are a number of posts here that could be commented on ... But there was a [i]repentance
Examine your own hearts.
... and words
I have been thinking and praying about this post for many days. I think that there is much we can learn from this brothers and sisters. Or at least I have learn lots. Thanks to the grace of God. I would like to share with you all the things God has showed in these last few days. This isn't pointed at anyone, a just a lesson to take to heart.
A Message that Tim Referred to by Ken Sande on Church Discipline:
1. http://www.tucsonsovgrace.org/pages/index.php?pID=575&PHPSESSID=e2c883abded018938cd0c21aed2d3f10
I have also attached a brochure that summarizes the main principles from the "Peacemaker" book by Ken Sande to help in dealing with Conflict Resolution in a Biblical way.
I write not to come against a brother, but to share my story of Gods faithful love. I come to tell of God has favor on those who obey. Brother and Sister I know you love me and stood, where I was called to bow down and say nothing. If I had I would given into the flesh and my mission would have been hindered. I step back to pray. There is much unspoken, and many things have happened. I have wept.
But I have forgiven him, and I ask you will to. And I ask that we will pray for our brother, as I will.
Now my beloved this what I have learn may it bless you as it has me.
But I must beg all, whenever we are angry with another brother and sister lets be biblical.
"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."
-Matthew 18:15-17
“When I first entered upon the work of the ministry among you, I was exceedingly ignorant of the vast importance of church discipline. I thought that my great and almost only work was to pray and preach. I saw your souls to be so precious, and the time so short, that I devoted all my time, and care, and strength, to labor in word and doctrine. When cases of discipline were brought before me and the elders, I regarded them with something like abhorrence. It was a duty I shrank from; and I may truly say it nearly drove me from the work of the ministry among you altogether. But it pleased God, who teaches His servants in another way than man teaches, to bless some of the cases of discipline to the manifest and undeniable conversion of the souls of those under our care; and from that hour a new light broke in upon my mind, and I saw that if preaching be an ordinance of Christ, so is church discipline. I now feel very deeply persuaded that both are of God – that two keys are committed to us by Christ: the one the key of doctrine, by means of which we unlock the treasures of the Bible; the other the key of discipline, by which we open or shut the way to the sealing ordinances of the faith. Both are Christ’s gift, and neither is to be resigned without sin.”
- Robert Murray M’Cheyne
What is Biblical Correction in the Body of Christ?
There has been many times over and over we come to this. People say anything against us, or we say towards someone else the wrong way. We go behind there back, or email or prayer against them in from t of others. I am guilty as I am sure many us are.
Looking at Matthew 18..
these are just the notes I took from this sermon
http://www.tucsonsovgrace.org/pages/index.php?pID=574
I am seeing that When we go a brother or sister with correction it is a gift if done in a right way, when done wrong it is a sin, and bring pain and hurt to the body.
- When a brother sins against us, we are to go the them alone..
Please lets do it the bible ways. This seems to the most saddest thing when do not obey the bibles ways. So lets encourage each others, to go first to the person. Lets stand up against this brothers and sister. If a person come at us saying something about someone lets be quick to point them to go to that person and speak with them. Don't LISTEN!! Tell them to go to that person and if the person don’t listen then they may come back. Let help the body by not LISTING
are we not Guilty? Of going behind others back and speaking about them? Don't we know how hurtful this is to the body? Don't we know this not love at all? loving the body my beloved when we going behind others to tear them down is not love. I have done this am I guilty? May God help me to speak with pure lips at all times. So this dear sister came by tonight to say she was sorry she heard a person belittle me telling to careful, saying I was off. Now this sister has something towards, me. She went behind my back to tell others, yet never told me. When we do this beloved we only bring greater broken to the body of Christ. Awake Beloved this is wrong, and it must hurtful to many. God say go to them alone.
We are called to love one another, but how can we love when we are tearing each other down? We most not let sin destroy us. Let go to each other.
When we fail to go we come to all kind of false ideas of that person. I ask the question how many times have we thought someone meant this or that, and when you get all the fact you are WRONG. I know I have been many times. Lets be wise and ans ask lots of questions first.
Misunderstanding do come, that is why we are to go to them first and alone.. Lets be wise and truly love one another. When speak against another behind there back, it is not love.
When a person see another in sin the most loving thing we can do is to go to them, with a loving and gentle spirit to show them hey you are off.
It is Gods way of using the body to kill a sin that could grow bigger. So when we don’t go we fail to express our love for them.
- But we must go with first looking at self, log in own eye. and with a humble spirit. We need to go with a humble spirit and we need have a humble spirit when another comes at us. are we willing to expect the corrections?
- We need Gods grace to be humble.
- We need a right picture of Sin. Sin is evil wicked the thing that brought Christ to the Cross. Sin is no small thing. Sin is huge. Sin is what brake fellowship, when we are unwilling to obey and turn from sin. When you want to be right. We are blind to our blindness we need each other to show us, where we are getting off.
- What lies do we believe that we are unwilling to go and tell another their sin?
- its unkind
- God will change them
- Its risky
- I am I willing to take the chance of losing a friend, to more loving and show them where they are off.
Think on this, Jesus Christ came to the world to point out Sin.
James 1:9
when bring a brother back from sinning cover many sins...- it is seen as compassionate and kind to go and bring correction to a brother.
But why alone? How often do we follow this?
Do we go to the person first?
I need to repent of not going to them first.
Or not going to a brother who is in Sin.
It say in Gal 6.. if brother in sin, he who is spiritual , to correct with gentle spirit?
-Gods order is we go first to our brother alone..
If we don’t repent, or listen then we go to get others.
It seen has a case Prov 9:8
porv 29:5
Rebuke better hidden love
Peace makers- say that they see as someone is in great need and are going to save them. They take the risk. Our love is not deep if we are not willing to go and bring correction when a brother has sinned towards you, or you see on the path of sin. You are no help to them, if they blind are about to walk in the water and you say nothing. We are blind. We need each to point out our sins.
If they don’t listen to others, then to the Church.
If they don’t repent then we see as unbelievers,
Again I am not speaking to point fingers but What God did through this.
Lets us be careful brothers and sister with our words. You never know how our words will be on another.
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To speak of Gods faithfulness through this all.
I know your hearts sisters and brothers. I must say my beloved your words kept me from disappearing. Oh my whole week was hard, my health making me weak. It seems Satan pain was to use it stop me form praying and he will use whatever he can. Misunderstanding. To get me question my prayers. Why was I here? I wanted to go home. Then the fear came in me. My beloved your words were sweet to my heart. This why I plea with you all, how a few words can be hurtful.
I fall to my knees weeping. Oh God are you with me. I feel so alone here. I cry out to you, hear my plea. Hear this my beloved God knows my heart. I ask my God to take my case.
Beloved a great lesson at hand, Do we raise to tear down? or so we as well be humble? Do we go to the brother who has sinned against you? I was to go. But I was fearful as I often I am with guys. So I too let misunderstanding build, and
I am sure if I had went to my brother sooner and been clear with what I was doing this could of been stopped?
I ask God is my prayers honoring to you? Father do my prayers have power? He made it clear beloved I was here to pray, through rain and fire. No matter what I was to set my face and pray. I had health limitations which was a huge struggle for me. But I was there for one reason will I obey? Keep your eyes on me. Sadly beloved when there are misunderstand and hurts with brothers or sisters. It can hinder each to do what God wants us to do. That why we must humble and ask to be forgive quickly. We should not wait even a hour. We do not want to hinder each but help each other. That’s why having a humble and forgiving spirit is best.
Let us be very careful what or how we judge others. Don’t judge until you have all the facts.
If you have a problem with someone take care of it..I have learned when we are hurt, and we hold back to speak. What happens bitterness and anger builds. Oh beloved, I confess my fear of man. Kept me to go and speak with my brother. Fear I will be misunderstood. But any problem needs to be taken care of right away.
On Tuesday, I met the 6 men form canon prayer union. They welcome me in. They said they would look after me. It seem at that moment my fear of men went away. God had sent others who would look after me. God clearly said through them, that I am God. I am going to watch over you. Noting will happen to you. I am your God even when are among many you don’t know I am with you. It was God saying I am your father, and he sent me father like men, who look after me. These men didn’t know me, yet God confirmed in my heart that prayers were honoring and in truth. They told they were blessed by me praying with them. Then soon after a Pastor came up to me and said it would be there honor to have go and pray in front of all the people. I was shocked, yet I laughed. God was smiling down. Saying dear daughter I love you. Now go and pray. You have found favor in my sight by your prayers. All I could do was praise my God. I was humble to be God servant. He heard my prayer, he spoke yes I hear your prayers and they are pleasing to me. Oh beloved how I will love to share so much more, But this my prayer.
Beloved even we are 1% wrong lets go and make it right. They may be unchanged, but it always right to obey the voice of God. I was in prayer room. Four of us were praying repenting of sins. I knew oh my heart was still bitter, it still hurt. I wanted all misunderstanding to be cleared. See I had done wrong against my brother. I failed to tell what I was doing. I confess fear was a base for most of it, I am always so fearful I will be hurt. I got upset, angry, and talking about to others. I wanted others to see and know what He did. And yet as we were praying. God said are you not greatly sadden by your sins? They said no you go and we will pray for you. I had no choice I guess. I had to my part, one can’t wait to for the other. I walked by saying oh no I can’t do this.. Then I walked into the other prayer room. Yeah the guys were there from canton prayer union. They gather around me and pray for me. See how weak I am.. After that I was able to and say I was sorry for any misunderstanding. I walked back with a new power and strength to pray.
I am thankful for Gods faithfulness.
In his love
charlene
Ask rain from the Lord
in the seasons of the springs rain. From the Lord who makes the storm clouds and he will give showers of rain to everyone the vegeatation in the feild. Zeh 10:1-2
" if you will see God and plead with te Almighty for mercy if you are pure and upright surely then he will
rouse himself for you and restore your rightful habitation and though your beginging was small your latter days will be very great" Job 8:5
" You shall not wrong one another but you shall fear your God for I am the Lord your God"
Be holy as He is Holy , consecrate keep statutes
He has separated from the world, Lev 19:1-2, Lev 20:7-9 ,19:24 ,
not profane his name, lev21: 6 22:1-2 , 24:13-16
Love neighbor Lev 19:18
Fear God, not do wrong to others. Help the poor not with hold anything Lev 25:17 Lev 25:35-38
Cast idols away Lev 26:1
Pride and power- discipline His children-Lev 26:18-20
Disobey, walk contrary, Not listen- Lev 26:21, 26:27-31
Confession- 26:40-41
Loving God with all soul mind heart- deu 6:5
greatest in the Kingdom?
Those like little Children humble like a child
How many times do we forgive someone?
70 times 70
All things are possible with God
Do I think I am better then I am ?
Who I am in Gods eyes?
How do I forgive?
How can I be used by God in mighty ways?
Fill with power
Remember my joy
Rejoice
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