Revival Conference

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My sister you were there?

practical conclusions and strategies involving interaction in prayer

what do you mean by this sister?
frredcd, there has been a few speaking on what conf did for them.. This last week, I got myself in a pit, unable to much at all. I hope that this week God will help to sit and write what God showed on this trip.

Blessing charlene

One statement that stuck with me (among many) was made by Ron Bailey as he preached on Psalm 51. It was a quote from Proverns 17:

Wisdom is before him that hath understanding; [u]but the eyes of a fool are in the ends of the earth. [/u](Prov. 17:24)

I took from that that we have to get our eyes on our own lives and stop with this notion that God is going to send a revival somewhere else, even to the ends of the earth, other than in our own lives. To be repulsed by sin in America and every where but my own heart and life. I agree with Roniya. It was a time of personal revival. And if Revival is going to begin- surely it has to begin with me and my house- with my church and so on.

Hi everyone,

Brother Robert,

"To be repulsed by sin in America and every where but my own heart and life."

I remember from the testimony of the revival on the Island of Lewis or one of those places, when the men were praying in the barn, and one says something to the effect of "..it is so much humbug for us to be going on like this... if we ourselves are not rightly related to God."

Hanna, I no idea who are you are, I ask where you at the Conf or did you listen on line?

I write my dear beloved to what you have said, It seems to bring up many things in my heart.
To which I have ponder on. About 6 months ago there was something that happened, to which I learned a lot from. There was this group of godly men, who loved the Lord so much. They serve him and shared Christ more then I did for sure. They were talk of prayer, the importance of it, and how there is a great need of prayer. I agreed and Was happy to join this prayer meeting. All went well for some time. But then they had said my prayer where is way off or that with little grace and praying of sin to much. I went back prayed over my heart, I heart was not off, they just didn’t like the way I prayed. May I add they were standing for unity repentance and love. Yet I saw many believers from all over the city come together, which I taught was a wonderful thing. We are one body and are called to love all. But what I saw was sin was over looked so unity could be made. Many may Struggle andfall into a pit is one thing, but willful sins is another. When the people of God gathered it was all about the shame of their sins, a cry for mercy. So gathering of all is not wrong, but our reason and what we do can be. They gathered and repented. True weeping turning from Sins. This was a very sorrowful time. But unity that comprise sin is not honoring to God. They were saying they wanted all people to come and pray, yet I was ask to not be part of prayer meeting. So I ask what unity this that? Can we say one thing and yet act a different way. Can we say we love the body and yet chose who come and pray and not? What worry me, is when truth centered prayers are pushed off, because they offend people. I just don't understand how one can even claim they are of unity in the body when they are saying who should come and pray and not. Where is the humility? This was brought to my mind today when I saw your post. How sad I still I am over thing like this. I stand to say it is wrong. For those who unable to join the prayer meeting where ones who stood for truth. But soon, the light will shines and all things done in the dark will come out. As for me, I have seen this first hand, and have been the one kick out ask to not ask to come back. I have been told I am judgmental, How is my beloved, when one stands for holiness is ask to not come back. We will pray and cry out for change but when one show you a sin, we become pridful and say that person is judgmental. I then question who are they trying to please man or God? Who are they worried about God or man when prayers are made? Here they were having the prayer meeting on repentance yet when came down who wants to really change? there are some, but from what I have seem in the last year, it is prayer but no real cry of longing to be changed. yes we long for God, but no willingness to seek him take away the tv and Moives and say yes we are hungery? Where then is the real heart felt crys of Gods people? we read we listen to the importance prayer, but I really wonder it it has gripped most of us? Even as I am back, there are but a few who long to gather and keep praying. It isn't about praying, it about wanting God the center the passion the delight the all, the lover, it all about seek his face, wanting to hear his voice. Whom desire to hear Christ voice “Must be complete surrender of yourselves to God in this sense that this time you wish to think not your own thoughts but Gods thoughts and that you determine to preach nothing of your own invention but Gods word” So if we call a prayer meeting, let be fully surrender to God, Let truth be the center of it all! Let God word cut into mans heart, let it not be just emotions but truth! “true humility will lead you to think correctly about yourselves” In this when we are praying in humility and honesty we want to have a clear picture of who we are. “ “ why should God give blessing and then let you run away with the glory of it” God is all about his own glory, dear beloved. When I was there God at there prayer meeting months ago, He said how will this bring lasting fruit? They praise and pray to me but there still unchanged harden of heart they are still clinging to their idol, they know not what real repentance is. He will not let run away with the glory. I ponder this. If these men behind it all
for example were in sin, and they themselves where living in lies and sins, they thought God will work yet they put on real heart felt prayers into it, it was done their way and not Gods way. I have seen this many times they will at a event we want God to work, and do mighty things, but when comes down to those praying are but few or none. So ask the question does God only for his children to pray for events and after, what then would be the need well it is going? Although when I went to Paul Washer Church for their Conf they had people in their every hour. I am still pondering this one question, How we say it is all about prayer, yet when comes down to it, few gather to pray together. Do we as people have a heard time praying together. does God use dead tools for working living miracles?”To not just have a living jaw but heart what is one who boast in all preparation will soon fall” So the question lingers How can God bless something that done with wrong being done to others. It remains of Isa 58 the fast, they say they delight to meeting with God, yet God says they were doing it all wrong, there was no change in their lives. Anyways. I was thinking about that today. But I do end on this hopeful and wonderful note, when I was in Ohio there where two wonderful girls and two guys who showed what true prayer is all about. Those who draw near to God, God will draw near to them. God waits for us to give Him our all. Praise he ever so kind, but it is unwise to look pass his angry and punishment for those who will turn.

You have talk of the prayer Hall, do you mean the Prayer room?

Much love charlene

I think there is still a fair amount of digesting going on for some of us and the Carter Conlon dream may have given some cause to pause and wonder.

There is a saying that old generals always refight the last war. It refers to the fact that they had seen the old ways and now know how to do it better 'this time'. There must always be a danger that those who pray will pray for the 'last revival' ie a repeat, but without the mistakes, of the last time God moved. This has interesting implications when you get a gathering of people together who have different 'recollections' of the 'last war'. Some from the more sober holiness traditions will have one memory and those from the more exuberant traditions will have another memory. It was interesting to me that most of the speakers provided their own definition of revival in the course of their messages.

The danger of course is that the gap between 'expectation' and 'delivery' is usually called 'disappointment'. So we may well have folk who have a measure of disappointment because their 'last war' was not properly re-fought.

Many years ago I visited Lincoln College in Oxford UK where they have a reproduction of John Wesley's study. Visitors can lean over the stable-door and get the feel of what it would have been like to be there in Wesley's day. I did just that and then added my name to the visitors book. There was a column for 'comments' and I instinctively wrote 'do it again Lord'. I was instantly checked in my heart with a word which said "I am the Origin. All that I do is origin-al; I never repeat myself". I walked from the college somewhat subdued and deep in thought.

It is impossible for human beings to be genuinely objective and the biggest follies are committed by those who think they are. We are all the products of our history and experience and that affects our expectations.

Was I disappointed? No, but then I didn't have the clear expectations that some others may have had. Was this lack of faith? Well, I can only believe what God shows me so without revelation what we often call 'faith' is more likely to be 'hope'. I was particularly blessed and challenged by some messages; some more that others. I was blessed to have been there and for me the 'face to face' with several SI-ers was a particular blessing.

Maybe it was a call back to SI's original roots? If you go back far enough you will discover that this website began life under the heading... "the revival we need". We have some fascinating discussions on the forums but the purpose, as I understand it of this website, is to encourage each other in prayer and a practical walk of holiness and righteousness; to prepare the way of the Lord and to pray for his conscious presence in the temple which is his church.

God honours an honest crying out to Him to ”revive us again”, to bring us back to life.

The very petition 'revive us again' implies that I know what I am expecting. That 'again' must have some link to a previous experience. So when I pray 'revive us again' what am I, personally, really asking for?

I agree, I was recently speaking from Mark 8:26 when the Lord dropped something into my heart from Isa 43:19 Behold, I will do a new thing; now shall it spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

Revival is an expression of who God is, in its truest sense it is the Life of Christ in the heart of man/woman. Not everyone needs revival. Some are already walking in the light as He is in the light. What more is there than this? I heard one of the speakers say something like, "sometimes we expect more from ourselves than God requires of us, and sometimes we do less than what God wants from us", that to me seemed pretty liberating and yet held a sense of conviction too, "Lord which one am I"?

If I pray 'God bless granny' how would I know if my prayer had been heard?

That's funny, but there is a truth there. We (several friends of mine here) used to say to people that we were meaningful specifics and not broad generalities in life. I think many people live life as broad generalities while some zero in on being meaningful specifics, the same does go with our prayer life. The question really than is Lord which one am I?

It is impossible for human beings to be genuinely objective and the biggest follies are committed by those who think they are. We are all the products of our history and experience and that affects our expectations.

Was I disappointed? No, but then I didn't have the clear expectations that some others may have had. Was this lack of faith? Well, I can only believe what God shows me so without revelation what we often call 'faith' is more likely to be 'hope'. I was particularly blessed and challenged by some messages; some more that others. I was blessed to have been there and for me the 'face to face' with several SI-ers was a particular blessing.

Maybe it was a call back to SI's original roots? If you go back far enough you will discover that this website began life under the heading... "the revival we need". We have some fascinating discussions on the forums but the purpose, as I understand it of this website, is to encourage each other in prayer and a practical walk of holiness and righteousness; to prepare the way of the Lord and to pray for his conscious presence in the temple which is his church.

Good to see more response to all that has occurred and would second this with certainty;

I think there is still a fair amount of digesting going on for some of us

Mentioned much of a similar nature in the other thread about expectations as you did here Ron. That is neither here nor there ...

A conference of this kind, of this dignity, should cause much and deep thinking regarding spiritual causes and effects leading to practical conclusions and strategies involving interaction in prayer - but of this we see none.
It is as if the congregation is hiding from this analyze, hiding from taking action. The most wordy items in the treads are indulging in an advanced dodging of issues – echoing the many before them, saying “all is now well”.
We are continuing in prayer, asking for light to be shed for the sake of revival.
Hanna

I must ask and will admit that I find much of this particularly ... irritating? grievous? But just who is the 'we' you are speaking of? "wordy items" and your own? This is the second time now that you have voiced your complaint and yet have not come right out and spoken plainly, though it was asked of you to send this privately so as to not make matters more confused ... Do you not recognize the level of accusation laced throughout this, what makes you think that either a deeper level of matters is not taking place or did not take place or that something is being skirted ... Quite a presumption to counter with an 'all is well', could it be possibly that the issue is your own? That whatever expectation you or whoever 'we' is are upset that things did carry on along the prescribed lines of your expectations?

I would far rather not see this as a defending of anything, as was mentioned ... perhaps more than a few of us were not disappointed because we came seeking only Him and are quite content that He might do just as he is pleased to do. And at this particular stage of the processing and there is much to process still, that the glaring, overriding fact, perhaps not 100%, but predominantly, was an earnest and honest unity was present, who else but the Lord could draw such a thing together? If one were to take a real sobering look at that and not push it off the side as no big deal ... it is quite remarkable. This forum with it's variety and difficulties but also with it's penchant for overblown opinionating at times has had touches of it here and there over the years ...

Nothing was contrived or calculated and if you had the slightest inkling of how this all came together it might surprise ... The many 'players' behind the scenes, quietly chipping in collectively, the folks who provided the web cast come to mind. Perhaps that is part of my irritation with this, when you have people willingly traveling from all over the world, those who spoke of their own volition and cost, a place opened up to the conference who knew next to nothing of SI ... Where their mistakes made? Likely! That you or 'we' whoever you are have some issues and concerns, very well, that is understood, but to go about making these assumptions seems quite unwise.

I have been particularly challenged of late by an old sermon of G.W. north from around 1977. He talked about how Jesus came to send FIRE on the earth; he then asked, "Could He safely send you?"

I believe the conference was the beginnings of a rekindling of the FIRE that, to some degree or another, may have died down in our lives. It is interesting to note that Jesus said we are the 'light of the world'. In the 1st century the only real sources of light originated in fire. The Sun is a ball of fire. the moon is a reflection of that ball of fire. The stars are balls of fire. Torches are fire. Candles are fire.

God wants to light individuals on FIRE with His presence, that they might burn for Him. That is what priests do- they burn things. they burn sacrifices and incense. We are kings and priests unto God- are we burning?

A bruised reed shall he not break, [u]And smoking flax shall he not quench[/u], Till he send forth judgment unto victory. (Matt. 12:20)

The prophet referred to our LORD here as this is taken from Isaiah 42. What good is a candle if there be no fire? What good is a candlestick in the first place? Is it an item of decor? To remove the candlestick is to remove the FIRE. Ephesus had FIRE, but did they have fruit? We need fruit and FIRE.

I am come to send FIRE!, Jesus said. What good are we if we have no FIRE? An old time preacher was asked how a person could get on fire for God. He simply reached into a burning fireplace with a steel poker. Upon leaving it for a while he pulled it back bright and orange illuminating the darkened are of the room. He then exclaimed, I put the rod in the fire- and now the fire is in the rod.

The conference, for me, was a time of God putting me back into the Fire. What good am I to anyone if I have no Fire?

Hanna,
please forgive my saying so but it seems to me that your posts have an aire of bitterness about them. Something of a coldness- hardness- even somewhat of an "I wish you had it together like I do" attitude there. Consider this please and PM Mike like he earlier suggested. Surely your offense can be resolved, apologies be made, whatever needs to happen. But I ask you for the sake of the believers here and for your own sake to consider this.
Grace be upon you and multiplied to you dear sister.

Hi Hannah...

While I was unable to attend the conference due to some unforeseen circumstances, I was extremely blessed by the things that I watched and heard via the internet.

I’ve often wondered whether each of us has a preconceived idea of what revival is and what it would look like. Does a revival have to look like the events surrounding great men like Whitfield, Finney, Wesley, Booth or Roberts? Will it always consist of pre-organized “disorganized” prayer meetings? Will we see fire, hear wind or fear the Earth quake? I have been in meetings where the Spirit of the Lord appeared to be moving, yet I felt alone in my discomfort, almost completely unmoved. I have also been in meetings where the place reeked of lifelessness, but I was filled with a great revelation or impartation from God. Wouldn't you agree that a revival needs to be personal before it can be collective?

The most powerful times that I ever had with God were when I was alone. Whether I was in my prayer closet, an empty room or taking a lonely walk outside in nature -- I was able to shut out the thoughts of this world and concentrate full attention of intimacy with Christ. There is something spectacular about the way that the Lord moves upon us in private. I have felt as though I were walking with an “open heaven.” There is nothing artificial about it, and no one is around to either impress or try to impress us. But maybe that is it. Perhaps revival has nothing to do with the outward manifestations with God and everything to do with the simple knowledge that God is not limited by an incomprehensible void between life and death, Heaven and Earth, or the natural world versus his spiritual omnipotence and control. God is untamed by the limits that we often place upon Him.

A church that I used to attend began a habit of turning off the lights. Apparently, the Church experienced a “move of God” with the lights off once, so they have been trying to replicate it ever since! The people of the congregation were also in a habit of “anointing” the pews with oil so that the Spirit of God would “move freely” in the place (unaware that the oil reference was a reference to the anointing of kings, and as if the oil were going to make a difference in the output of the meeting). This particular congregation always sought a revival, but seemed to be more interested with the effects of a revival (full prayer meetings, exciting meetings, subsequent evangelism, etc…) than they were in the preparation for it. But isn’t that what revival is?

Once we prepare our hearts, we must have faith and leave it up to the Lord to reveal Himself. I often wonder whether or not we would have considered the meetings where Paul, Peter, John and even Jesus preached a “revival?” I don’t recall very many outward manifestations usually associated with “revival” within those meetings. In fact, some people fell asleep (Acts 20:9), fell away (John 6:53-66), some questioned the validity of what was said (Acts 17:10-15), some caused disruption (Acts 16:16-24) and some even tried to kill (Luke 4:16-28; Acts 14:8-20). Rather, I feel that a true revival is when EACH of us prepares our hearts to a King that is not relegated to a meeting, a message or a group.

A revival is not restricted to a great word, a man of great faith, outward manifestations or even a time of spiritual unity. If the Lord doesn’t move us via the intimacy within our own private prayer closet, then the problem is probably intrinsic. However, I sometimes think that we often hope that revival will simply bring others to our own understanding, appreciation and hunger for the things of the Lord.

Once upon a time, Mary and Martha quarreled about this sort of thing in Luke chapter 10:

[b]38[/b] Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
[b] 39[/b] And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.
[b] 40[/b] But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
[b] 41[/b] And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
[b] 42[/b] But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.

As a teen, I had an evangelist friend who traveled across the country to attend a supposed “revival” that he had heard about. When he returned, I asked him what he had received. He replied, “[i]I received the knowledge that I don’t have to travel across the country to receive the same touch from God that I can receive in my prayer closet[/i].” I don’t feel that the goal for the revival conference was to necessarily begin another Welsh, Topeka or Azusa revival for the Church in Canton. Why? As much as God loves Canton, not many of us live there. Rather, I think that it was to impart a desperate hunger within each of us to carry to the slumbering and dire conditions of our own homes, towns, countries and churches.

Anyway, I apologize if this doesn’t make much sense, or is not reflective of your true feelings. And please forgive my rambling. I understand that prayer (of the heartfelt, agonizing type) is the catalyst for God’s Spirit to move upon a place. But there were no restrictions on prayer. While there may have been some restrictions in a building, or during a meeting, etc…, people could still pray (and agonize) for God to move. There are no limits to distance for our omnipotent Lord! The effectiveness of our prayer is not shut out by walls or doors. In fact, sister Hannah, our prayers are meant to bring spiritual barriers down. Yet I think that the goal of the conference was to do just that. May God fan the spark that began in Canton in a thousand cities and towns!

:-)

While I was unable to attend the conference due to some unforeseen circumstances, I was extremely blessed by the things that I watched and heard via the internet.

Are the sessions still available via the internet? I have searched a little but not found them.

Are the sessions still available via the internet? I have searched a little but not found them.

I normally do not respond to posters who refuse to be known, those who hide behind anomonity. The reason is that they can shoot thier arrows as it were without either conscience or accountability. They can spout big ideas without showing any real substance to thier ideals. I don't know what you saw or maybe didn't see "walkington", I do know you suddenly appeared and became the authority and central figure in the moment by moment blow, as it were, but here's something to think about, Brother Ron Bailey spoke the Sunday nite following the Conference, the Lord came in a very real and present way, the impact of that visitation is still being felt at that little church to this very day. I personally plan to go back down there so as to get a first hand look in the next couple of weeks. Do I think Ron was the reason for this manifestation? No. He was a willing vessel though. That said consider this; I hear in mine hearing, do you know the Spirit of the Living God well enough to know what exactly He has done in the hearts and minds of those that were present? Have you followed each person who attended close enough to say for certianity that what transpiried at the Conference wasn't life changing? Maybe it didn't change you. Have you ever gone up to a total stranger and spoke something specificly to them from the Lord and it was exactly perfectly accurate? Than used that platform to witness to them, and all that outside the four walls of the church building? When's the last time you prayed for someone who recieved a manifested physical healing, right on the spot? Answer that if you can.

We look for a practical lifestyle which honours God, honours His word and honours man.
Revival is genuinely practical.

We saw God do what He decided was best for the present time. I personally cannot answer for or even second guess God, I neither know the hearts of men well enough nor the inter workings of God's Spirit well enough to make statements to what I saw or did not see at the Conference. I can tell you this, the full impact of that Conference has not been seen, like a seed that was buried and dies for a season, God's Word will not return void, it will accomplish that for which its was sent, and the laborer who watches over that seed like Abram who watched over that covenant sacrifice until the Lord came and walked through the peices, so also The Holy Spirit will brood over that precious seed and than at the appointed time will breath upon His garden life.

Promises are carelessly and without respect reduced to a minimum rather than to be employed in an intense cry unto the Lord for a fullness of the Cross in operation – a blaming God for the poor results in impacting lives.

You're devoid of faith.

This is often traced to serious discrepancy in what we say we believe in and what we really do believe in – and thereby not being able to honour the Word of God and his promises.

Hi Sister Hanna...

After reading your post along with your former posts, I still can't seem to understand your concern. Is there a particular incident from the Revival Conference that frustrates you? Correct me if I am wrong, but I felt from reading a former post that you were disappointed in regards to a particular time of corporate prayer (or lack thereof). Is there something else bothering you that you refer to as those that are "at ease in Zion?"

Thanks for any sort of clarification.

:-)

very simple thoughts which have appeared in our fellowship as we have been together before the Lord. There is no ambition whatsoever to be professionals – who is sufficient for this, said Paul.
But, we are a fellowship, accountability is one important thing to us.

I think this is one thing that may be troubling some of us. Are you a 'spokesperson' for others? You seem to have a separate point of reference to the other posters on this thread. I think this gives a slightly mystical and superior tone which disturbs some of us.

Can you tell me who you are actually 'accountable' to? Thanks.

[b][color=0000CC]Hanna i'm posting this in the love of Jesus Christ and hope if you reply you will do in kind,[/color][/b] but what you're posting is kinda unclear (cryptic almost actually) and in my re-reading it seems to me that you're implying that there wasn't enuf emphasis on "prayer" at "The Revival Conference", or that even perhaps by your estimation the entire meeting should have been devoted to "prayer" regarding REVIVAL and nothing else ... Is this your take? ... Actually at first i to thought it was to be all prayer with no speakers, etc., but soon after Greg made clear the arrangements, that it was "The Revival Conference", and i took it to be exactly as what it was listed as ...

[b]Conference:
a: a meeting of two or more persons for discussing matters of common concern.
b: a usually formal interchange of views.[/b]

i wan't there, but to me if anyone went there expecting something other than the itenerary presented then that's not the fault of the conference, those attending, or those who put it together ... i was searching again, but can't find it now, where someone else complained of "The Conference" that "personal testimony" time was interupted because "there wasn't enuf time left" to continue ... i could see where that might get someone upset, especially someone who might be aware of the history of past Revivals where it's said that time seemed to cease to be a delieniation, but again this was a revival "conference" not an actual REVIVAL in the sense as someone else stated that most of us has come to define REVIVAL ... It was a conference within a certain frame of dates, with an itinerary for those dates ...

i praise God for the conference, and even tho i knew i'd not be there prayed for it also as i believe Holy Spirit unctioned Greg toward it (and those who participated in it) just as sure as He did in His use of Greg to start SI, and even tho some may find all kinds of fault with the conference Rom. 8:28 hasn't even had time yet to really begin the revelation of just how it's "working toward the good" of many of the attendees, and how that will eventually work to even further glory to God ... i know for myself in reading some of the attendees comments, even in changes of post in how some refer to another, or others, the workings of Holy Spirit within themselves (in personal revival), and how that spills forth a living waters of love - God's love ...

One thing i've learned in Christ is that just because i might not get a blessing out of something (especially if i concider it old news) it don't mean that some other saint ain't gettin blessed ... i've found that the key is really it ain't about me getting blessed, or the other saint either, it's all about His eventually getting the glory out of us ALL ... Again that's why bro Currin's sermon spoke so strongly to me about being careful not to let not my not seeing God work as i want to see Him work allow me to slip into complacency, or any other form of "anger" birthed by disappointment ---

Hanna you also wrote;
"Generally we look upon salvation, on being born again, even on revival as a point of arrival – at this point we will stay and be safe. We have made it. Here we will establish ourselves for our future safety and success. But, the Lord intends differently – the experience is but a point of beginning, even a point of departure."

--- Amen, i can get to your statement ... But i also hear our Lord saying in essence to take one day at a time, for each day has it's own sufficient troubles ... When it comes to true REVIVAL i'm waiting on Him to get us to the point of repentance first, let alone what could transpire afterwards ... To me this is like talking about approaching a finish line, and we've not even got up to the starting gate as yet ... One thing i believe i'm becoming more and more aware of and it's this, when it comes to true REVIVAL if God by His own will and plan don't place us in the starting gate, we sure ain't gonna get there on our own ... So whatever we don't agree upon, don't do, debate, argue and bicker back and forth about, as you said "the Lord intends differently", in that He's said nothing will prevail against His Church, and that even in spite of ourselves He is coming back for a "refined" Church spotless and unblimished ...

This to me says a massive and corporate repentance and REVIVAL is on His agenda for us somewhere within His divine timetable, and even tho we don't see It clearly God is working it ALL out, and in the meanwhile for any of us who think we may have become by His priviledge to know a little something more of the mind of our Lord than others then may this scripture be ever more magnified within us as a "proof" within our wait
(in fact He just hit me with this the other day) ...

[b]2Thes.3
[5] And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.[/b]

Blessings in Him to whom ALL vengence belongs, but of our showing forth His love abroad He sets upon us no bounds!

Wonderful JESUS! ---

Hanna's: The preacher [u]proudly[/u] stands up to say that he was shown his wretchedness 40 years ago – [u]but what happened after that?[/u]

The question does not fit the assertion. How can you know that what was said was 'proud' if you know not "what happened after that?" Personally, I think any 'experience' in God that does not move me to get after His heart is worthless. Is the greatest experience in fellowship with God that brings Him the most satisfaction a mystical encounter or the plain expression of love as it plays out when we are about the Master's business. Not that it is either prayer OR work' but both. I come into the presence of God as I mentioned in the last post for FIRE. God does not light a FIRE and hide it under a bushel, a basket or in a closet. Once the FIRE is in the person- He holds them up to light the whole room. What good is it to light a FIRE and place it in a closet? Light the fire in the closet and bring it out into the room.

Another anonimious poster with all the answers *sigh*....... :-( Isolationism is the doctrine that breeds depression in individual christians.

Co 12:13 For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit.
1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
1Co 12:15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; it is not therefore not of the body.
1Co 12:16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; it is not therefore not of the body.
1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
1Co 12:18 But now hath God set the members each one of them in the body, even as it pleased him.
1Co 12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
1Co 12:20 But now they are many members, but one body.
1Co 12:21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, I have no need of thee: or again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
1Co 12:22 Nay, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be more feeble are necessary:
1Co 12:23 and those parts of the body, which we think to be less honorable, upon these we bestow more abundant honor; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness;
1Co 12:24 whereas our comely parts have no need: but God tempered the body together, giving more abundant honor to that part which lacked;
1Co 12:25 that there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

Believe it or not we need each other to over come self/ sin/satan/this corrupt world. Sorry, but that's how God set up the program like it or not. It is of course our choice to accept God's way or not.

If the whole of the U.S. was bombed out tomorrow - do you see where any of this is helping or destroying His Very Foundation? HE is our Foundation - NOT YOU OR ME.

Certainly those pioneers of old were looking for a country when they found this one. And truly Christ was LORD before and shall be if we were bombed out. But we have this revelation of the nature of God;

(Genesis 18:25, 26) That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: [u]Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?[/u] And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

Often what we are sensing in this crisis hour, I think, is what Peter described as Lot's experience in Sodom.

(2 Peter 2:7, 8) And delivered just Lot, [u]vexed[/u] with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, [u]vexed[/u] his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds.

Here [u]vexed[/u] is used twice but it is two different Greek Words.

1) kataponeo: to wear down, oppress, harass
2) basinazo: to torture or to test

I think often that this double 'vexation' can be confused with a sense that God is about to pour fire upon us. The reaction would be to head for a bomb shelter rather than a street corner. But is this the case? Our great problem in this hour is that God would give us over to our enemies and suddenly [i]they[/i] would do the chastening. What shall we do? Shall we hold the fort or shall we forcefully advance in the power of the Spirit? Perhaps we [i]are[/i] at a strategic inflection point? If We are backed to the edge of a cliff in retreat- there is only two options: surrender or charge!. I suppose, if faced with that situation, I'll be charging.

The Good Samaritain was not critized for stopping to [i]do something[/i] when one had fallen by the hand of an enemy. It was the blind religious person that passed him by as if going to church would please God more than simply expressing the heart and compassion of God that was rebuked. I hear the words in my heart; in as much as you have done it unto the least of these you have done it unto me. What greater worship can we offer than genuine obedience? Can anyone show me a single passage of scripture in the New Testament that tells us to watch and pray for hours and hours as a matter of course in life? Pray without ceasing does not mean stay in the prayer room forever.

Moreover it is dangerous to hang around in a revival atmosphere and not take to the streets in some way and do something. I have seen God send revival among youth on a local level and rather than getting on fire and getting about the work- they kept coming back for deeper and deeper experiences. I have known of people to try to stay around and pray until they were jumping benches backwards and putting their heads through the sheetrock. I have known of people that sought experience after experience until now they hear voices of devils and all sorts of things they say. Some would say they need locked up.

This is the madness of seeking more and more of God in mystical experience. We need to pray until the fire falls and spend time with the Lord, no doubt and I would never criticize that. But how much of all that is really biblical? Some start to look for Jesus in some mystical way or even in worship type music, etc.. Looking for Jesus in this service or that prayer meeting. But all the while they could have found Jesus at their local hospital, sheltar, orphanage or nursing home. But, that does not have the attractiveness of some mystical thing.

Imagine someone saying, "I saw Jesus today." REALLY?!

(Matthew 25:38-40) When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

I'll close these thoughts by saying that God empowers people for service that will get about the work. God will put His hand on those that are bent on doing His will. How many times is God going to empower a people to accompish a task- while they just soak up the moment as an experience without taking that 'fire' and being the light he called them to be. God does not move in our lives for nothing. It's not about an 'experience' or a feel good- even though I thank God for it; it is about being endued with POWER from on high. We are called to be witnesses- and once empowered we have no excuses.

Trip to Ohio, thoughts brought a story to main... I have spent much prayer over this I hope that it is a blessing, and you hear the heart of it, and joy of truth. I am hidden my beloved don’t see me but Christ working and ever speaking through me. I love and pray for my beloved family, and thank you all for praying for me for this trip. Indeed my beloved family I was blessed by the prayer that were made on my part.

What is the importance of prayer? What is the cost of prayer? What is the great need of prayer?

Do I understand this truth to which we speak so often of? Do I grip the reality of this great need?
Or I am of a talk a hear and not a doer? I beg the question, what need to pray if God will act anyways? What is our responsibility?
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A story is brought to mine,
There was two young men, whom where friends. They met one Sunday, after Church there hearts were so burned for the lost, they were part of the Church yet it seemed so cold so dead. Whom understood there hearts longing? There they became restless as all where content with pleasure of the world. Something was changing in their hearts. God began to show them their own comfortable, complacent lives. Tears were there foods as they saw how there hearts had become cold, there was love wasn’t full of zeal and joy. Instead there hearts had become hard and complacent to sin. Something broke that day, as Jole cried out to Lord, all Knowing God I pray open my eyes examine me, expose me. Let me see all my sins for what they are. Oh God I cry bring t froth truth. Help me to be humbled so I can repent and turn away from the things you hate. Something hit like a pounding hammer in their hearts, they wanted to love Christ and not the world. Something broke through, it was the cross. There these young men fall weeping at Christ feet. In tears of thankfulness they cried out for the grace to raise up and live the life He ask of them.
The picture of Christ, came all so enticing beautiful, amazing. It swept them off their feet. This is us they cried unworthy men, whom you died and calls your child. His words rang in their ears.“ For God so love the world Joel and that I will not die but have everlasting life.” This sinner he die for.. Separated from God, a enemy of God. But abated and made children of God.“But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed. He will render to each one according to his works” ( Rom 2:5-6)
“But if our unrighteousness serves to show the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us? ( I speak in a human way.) By no means! For then how could God judge the world? But if through my lie God’s truth abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner? And why not do evil that good may come?—as some people slanderously charge us with saying. Their condemnation is just.”( Rom 3:5-8)\t
"None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one." ( Rom 3:10-12)
(Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,” ( Rom4:4-5)
“For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die” (Rom5:-6-7)
“But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness” ( Rom 6:17-18)
“But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ by grace you have been saved and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,” ( Eph 2:4-9)

“even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight” ( Eph 1:4-8)
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” ( John 3:16)
“I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.” ( Gal 2:20-23)
No more Joel yelled, I pray let me die this night, Let me die on that cross with Christ. Daniel also prayed as his body shook I will throw away all my pagan idol. I am a child of Child I no longer belong to the world but Christ. As he read. "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you” ( John 15)
"What profit is an idol when its maker has shaped it, a metal image, a teacher of lies? For its maker trusts in his own creation when he makes speechless idols! Woe to him who says to a wooden thing, Awake; to a silent stone, Arise! Can this teach? Behold, it is overlaid with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in it. But the LORD is in his holy temple; let all the earth keep silence before him."( Habakkuk 2:18-20)
“Turn now, every one of you, from his evil way and evil deeds, and dwell upon the land that the LORD has given to you and your fathers from of old and forever. 6 Do not go after other gods to serve and worship them, or provoke me to anger with the work of your hands. Then I will do you no harm” ( Jerm 25:5-6)
“Therefore thus says the LORD: "If you return, I will restore you, and you shall stand before me.If you utter what is precious, and not what is worthless, you shall be as my mouth.They shall turn to you, but you shall not turn to them. And I will make you to this people
a fortified wall of bronze;they will fight against you,but they shall not prevail over you,for I am with you to save you and deliver you, declares the LORD. I will deliver you out of the hand of the wicked, and redeem you from the grasp of the ruthless."( Jerm 15:19-21)

Be merciful and turn my stubborn heat again to you. Bring my way wayward heart back to you. I am yours, make me willing to walk the narrow path. Don’t let be among those who worship and pray to you with their lips but their hearts are far away from you. Let me repent. Bring us to repent. To confess our sins. Let us be transparent in honestly. Let this be my pray oh God for this what you say oh God "Return, O faithless sons; I will heal your faithlessness.""Behold, we come to you, for you are the LORD our God. ..( Let it be said I am coming oh Lord, I am coming) Truly the hills are a delusion, the orgies on the mountains. Truly in the LORD our God is the salvation of Israel,” and let it be said this what I will say my Most high God, "But from our youth the shameful thing has devoured all for which our fathers labored, their flocks and their herds, their sons and their daughters. Let us lie down in our shame, and let our dishonor cover us. For we have sinned against the LORD our God, we and our fathers, from our youth even to this day, and we have not obeyed the voice of the LORD our God." ( Jerm 3)
Joel wept our Churches is naked miserable blind and poor, oh how they need to repent. Oh how I am naked poor and fooled in loving keeping the ways of man, and not God. How I have kept traditions and forsook holiness. This night I cover my head in shame. Restore again, to seek after Holiness. Let be as Paul said, let set our eyes on heavenly things to run this race well.
“ Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you. Only let us hold true to what we have attained.” ( Phil 3)
Life would be set on the reality of heavenly things ,your eyes would be focused on only this and not of the world .Then you press on to achieve the heavenly goal .You store up treasures in heaven were they will last for eternity .We would run in such away to receive our inheritance ,throwing aside all hindrances ,fleeing from distraction remaining focused .So that in the end we will know, we did not run our race in vain .We will rejoice when trials come and we will cling to his eternal promise in the face of evil .Your will sing when mocked and rejoice when death is upon you ,the swift hand of God’s glory will set us free.
Forgetting the time these men prayed for a few hours. Soon they had to depart and go home. Yet as they lay in bed their hearts were restless and changed. Hungry for more. As the next day reproached they quickly called each other, do want to meet to pray and talk of what God shown you? Brother Joel Daniel said, God has put us on a new path are we willing to walk the narrow way and not look back? Are willing to cry for a heart that feels as God does? Are you willing to count the cost brother, and wait on God even if it is years? My brother are we willing to die that we might really live? Yes it too is my pray Joel said, A hunger within a heart that burns for something more I live and I will die. May my reason what I am I hungry be for God, and may he take my hand and lead me into thee I will walk in the power of His enduring joy.
I may make the plans but in the ends He guides and answers. Lets do this brother.

They met the next day to pray

Daniel cried out father let us again be eager to please God
like a young bride, deeply in love with you, oh how we long to love with our hearts souls and minds, father we ask bring us back to our first love. We pray we would see our worthless IDOLS
that we could throw away your detectable idols and stray no more, I cry for the movies that see what great evil we put in our minds cleanse and make us pure again.
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Then Joel started to cry Father Father how great and holy you are, we love thee we thank thee, come and fill and guide us, We our lives to you. I pray we would see, how shocking and wicked it is to exchange you oh God for Idols
“ these idols have no breath or power idols are worthless they are ridiculous lies
but our the God of Israel is no idol He is the Creator of everything that exists father be merciful and would you correct us when we are walking the wrong way. Show foolish I have been trying to be holy by my ways. Oh what ways have a turn to and walk in evil and not holiness show unto me. I confess my love for food and desire the flesh of comfort. Let me turn to you oh God who is the Fountain of living water. Is it no so oh God I have “ dug for ourselves
cracked cistern that can hold no water at all” where has my hope, my safety. Been in let trust in thee.
I too pray Daniel started ,Yes Father make us men after your heart to seek you with all we have.
Forgive me for not giving the best of my time. Would not show me the things that I love more then You oh GOD Let me confess, then he fall to the ground prostituting his body on the ground.
Show me my adulterate ways. I cast down my lovers. Forgive me I have rebelled and not listen. Let me listen and come and Confess and knowledge my wrongs. To this I pray I will “ surrender my pride and power change my heart before the Lord “ let me be clean and harbor no evil thoughts, let me be honest let not me refuse to repent Please give me understand To your ways
Therefore open my eyes and my ears able to hear let me live in awe of my Lord

Joel began to read
“ let us lie down in shame and cover ourselves with dishonor
for we and our ancestors have sinned against our Lord our God”
I pray we cry the warning, of God’s judgment coming
I pray we cry that people will turn to God to heal.
“ they offer superficial treatments for my people’s mortal
wound they give assurances of peace when there is no peace.
I too pray we will walk in old Godly ways and we don’t refuse to listen
we will quit our evil ways oh let us see they are harming to us when we are worshiping lidos
I pray I will stop doing what I want, but do what you oh God say Let not truth vanish from among us let us be broken from “ lies we cling to
“ How can you say “ we are wise because we have the word of the LORD
when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies? Let my heart I pray our hearts be broken and weeping for this evil land may your people turn to the true medicine and true physician
Father help me to see how I have abandoned your instruction and refused to obey
please let me understand the power of God, the power in His name May I tremble at your feet
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Oh Lord, thank you for the conference. For bringing us all together in You. For touching our hearts collectively and individually. We praise and adore Thee for all that Thou art, and ever will be. Blessings and honors and praises to Your holy Name.

What did these two do wrong, Mr. Walkington and dear Hanna??

In Walkington we found only kindness and a longing for revival spelled out in concentrated intercession and formulas for prayer – the threads “From a Prayer Chamber” are remarkable in clarity and holds hope for revival like none other.
Hanna’s words were soberingly provocative – free from the self-centeredness which we so often meet in revivalism.

Many others should have been banned and classified anonymous according to these standards, but were not.
I do not understand the value system of yours!
Is this revival thinking, revival fruit?
If so, I also would like to be classified!

MarkOne

What did these two do wrong, Mr. Walkington and dear Hanna??

I too ask this questio long with brother.

I would like to say a huge thanks for Walkington for his writing on revival. I am also very thannkful for this mans, prayers for the Conf.
Also would like to say thanks for praying for me.
Also like to say this man, has been a huge blessing to me in what he has written maybe all don't understand it, but to me. It is truth on revival praying. The heart need in all us that needs to die to live in Christ. As for Hanna I don't her, but I know that she to prayed for whole Conf. So for both of these brother and sister I say thank for all your prayers. That you for holding up the arms of the men speaking by praying for them. Many times there many misunderstanding in life. But as have been speaking of LOVE and forgivness. So maybe we need to forgive them for any missunderstanding?
Iron sharpen iron, we are blind sometimes to are own blind spots, indeed we need each other.

again I say a huge thanks dear beloved for your faithfulness and love and prayers for me. While I was in Ohio, I thank God for you, and I am blessed you are a child of God a brother and Sister whom I love in Christ. Again don't be so quick to judge this sister with knowing her heart, Indeed what she wrote could be taken wrong and misunderstood, but don't be so quick to judge her. She too is a sister therfore love and forgive her if she has upset you, and pray for them too. You ask of me to forgive when a brother on this site said hurtful and very unkind words, let what was said if this? If I am to firgive, then it would be only right you forgive them?
in his love
charlene

I have to agree with the objection that has been posed by MarkOne. What is going on here, why have these voices been silenced? Was is at their own request? What happened to the "open market" model of ideas here?

I hope that clarifies things

Yes it does clarify, thank you. I apologize for any insinuations on my part that were made without full knowledge of the situation.

In Christ,

Ron

RobertW - I was looking for your thread from last year on "The Body".

Hmmm. I may have it if you know a little more about the thread. I can't recall that specific title, but any other thoughts may help me search my own files.

Thanks

Robert

Goes with the story I posted before....

Then Joel, came to Jer and Hosea and read them

Oh brother do you hear such words. Do they not jump out and cut through our hearts. We have
“If you return, O Israel, declares the LORD, to me you should return. If you remove your detestable things from my presence, and do not waver, and if you swear, 'As the LORD lives,'
in truth, in justice, and in righteousness, then nations shall bless themselves in him,
and in him shall they glory." For thus says the LORD to the men of Judah and Jerusalem:
"Break up your fallow ground and sow not among thorns. Circumcise yourselves to the LORD;
remove the foreskin of your hearts, O men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem; lest my wrath go forth like fire, and burn with none to quench it, because of the evil of your deeds” Jer 4

To remove such things is that we are depart from them and withdraw.
How can good seeds having any growth among thorns. They choke them up and
allow no real deep root to take place. SO until we remove the weeds we are unable to have the word of God planted in us and grow strong. So we can hear the truth yet in take no real growth in
our lives until we clean out the overgrown sin in our lives. We are to cut away the sin, get ride do what you must to put to death the sin that has taken root and has grown in your life. Our fallow hearts are those of un stilled un convicted un humble unfruitful overgrown weeds. We must search our hearts and get to the root of Sin, to put into death, to kill the lust of the flesh. It a keeping on going thing until the ground in broken. To seek is one whom search out worship prays ask and begs and cries out one who repents. One who is cleans. Is one who examine them self in the light of the word of God. So to brake the ground you need tools, so what are the tools to brake the fallow ground? Repentance prayer the reading of Gods word. Confession to God and with others. So we may here many great things of God but there are some things that will not take root due the overgrown sin, Repent now so Gods living word his seeds take root in our lives.

So there hearts burned heavier as the weeks pasted, even months and years. They had said they would pray everyday. And they set their face to pray, the battle came to stop them to pray in many ways. They got to learn the battle of prayer first hand... They got a inside look of front line battle when you say you will pray. Where un wear that enemy would come at them. With their family, sickness, and emotions, sleep, and all kinds of lust of their eyes, which tv, food, rest, to keep them from praying. It was a constant crying to the Lord for help in mist of battle.

“Prayer is a battle often times, maybe most of the time and any number of reasons for that. Sometimes a struggle to start, a struggle to stay, quieting the mind, subduing the flesh, being still, silent even”

It is important to be in pray the first thing when you wake in the Morning - I have seen it start my day off, and help through out the day to Christ focused. It a passionate desire to speak with Christ before anyone other living thing on this earth. It is a compelling desire and love that make it a must. To wonderful to fully understand when we place Christ first, it make things better. It is a time of extreme joy and great peace that with Christ all thing are indeed possible
“Prayer, true prayer, does not allow us to deceive ourselves
Battle of Prayer... Why don’t we pray?
Battle of prayer.. The question came down to were they willing to battle or give up? Joel had become busy and needs of his children and work seemed to steal his time. Did he still have time to battle in prayer? Daniel had become sick from work, and dealing with family fights. The demands of life where pressing in, where could they make time to pray? When work and life was asking more then they had. Yet they had said they would pray. Maybe they didn’t know what they where getting to before they started. Joel had made a prayer Lord I give you the right to wake me whenever you wish.

Do we see the great battle we are in the great need of prayer they would ask themselves often, when they saw themselves slipping away from prayer.
What is the war we are at? Why is such a great need to pray? What is this battle you are talking about? Why must we battle on our knees, many would ask them.
Eph 6
“Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints, and also for me, that words may be given to me in opening my mouth boldly to proclaim the mystery of the gospel, a for which I am an ambassador in chains, that I may declare it boldly, as I ought to speak.”
verse of battles with the Lord
With the Lord, human ways are foolish, we are helpless and very needy we can do nothing a part from the Lord.
WE have such a great need of Christ
We can do nothing a part for his Grace
If Christ prayed then so do we.
Follow master steps, If Christ pray and I must as well
Be devoted to pray with out casing
awake wear, in prayer at all times
for His glory and His honor
We pray he answer he gets the praise.

“Our or prayers are urgent with much agonizing with weeping and longing for those who are lost, are we crying out ,does the weight of sinners burden our hearts .We would spend more time in prayer in the communion with our father pleading, intercessors on there behalf .If we saw the reality of there eternal destination of hell that waits for them .If we cherished this secret time in communion with God ,not forsaking it for worldly pleasures but if we got intimate with God and devoted ourselves with prayer and drew near to him he would draw near to us .He would reveal his infinite resource filling us with his mighty and glorious Spirit .Then his truth ,his compassion and forgiveness would become fruitful in our lives .This would stir a passion that would flame into an unquenchable fire for the lord .Making Christ our focus and our reason for life.”

Behind the doors was where you saw the true hearts of these men. Humble and broken. Alone with Christ. There were many things that they could fill there time, but nothing was more delightful then sitting at Christ feet. These young men were in school prayer, they may not have become so called prayer warriors yet their hearts were eager to talk and listen to His voice. This enable them to pray there, own quite hearts before the Lord. It was said they would say “ How I treasure the lord, and long to teased and feast on his words.

In these days, they starting to learn the necessity of prayer. And cost it would take to cry out for God to revile his people. Where were fools, for at one point they thought, God is powerful and mighty will he not act? Indeed he will they thought, but on the base of his people humbling themselves. Sometime it one who cry out and He acts, other times it is many. But it often a cry for mercy for blind to see. They now saw their part, the cost and desire that now burned in their hearts. God will act, but we are do our part?

In the middle of the night Joel woke and wrote this

“ He look over and saw his wife laying their, he thought she so sweet like a dove.
Oh how I love this gift my good Lord has given me. I love wife of my youth and delight in her.

But Oh God to this I ask that I will I drink deeply of your love
may I see myself as Christ bride, Let me fall more in love
Let me drink deeply of your love. May this what sweep me
off my feet. Leave my simple ways and run to
something new. I know you are the tower that I am to run to, keep me running to you”
“Allow me to be a man of prays that we with great eagerness and power”

he wrote in His note book. “Is our devotion weak or strong is Christ our delight or an add on .Is he our focus and our first or is he a inconvenience something that we do not thirst. Do give him lip service and go through the motions or is our hearts torn with emotion .Are we comfortable and content in deception of false joy ,for the fullness of joy is in the presence of, God and cannot be replaced or substituted .One might experience from prayer, joy ,power and blessings that are given by the holy spirit .There eyes would be open to the fullness of God and all his Glory”

To upon this man life he was a man of prayer, whom filled the house with a atmosphere of prayer he is a courteous loving sympathetic, sweet spirit, gentle, Christ like. He was such a man who pours out his heart daily at the family altar. There would be a burning passion in his heart to pray with each child of his. To speak the word into their lives. There you might hear the weeping of the gentle hearted man broken over the dying world. There you might hear his pleas for mercy and grace to wicked and sinful people. And there you might hear and joyful worship of all praising there wonderful king. Any looking upon this sight how this man treasured Christ he was his prize his all, his love. He could n’t hide the joy that shined for his face, he was in love. He made it a great delight to bring Christ into family in every way. He would cry “ give me souls or I will die” “let us love you more then all the worldly things” “ For don’t we count it pleasure to walk with God” As one looked upon his face it was radiant shining the glory of God. He was a remarkable father husband and friend. Although he didn’t speak much he framed his rely with much wisdom and love. He was full of enthusiasm and zeal to preach Christ.

There in quite hour he would awake to fest on word of God. “ He didn’t court God he loved Him.
In dust of morning as the sun rose, over Mt’s there sat delighting in ray of beauty that poured down from heaven. how often in the prayer room he would break out into tears over the sins of the world and especially Gods children” He pray God would humble from proudful way of his flesh, there he lay face down with much reverence for the Lord. He repent and confess, then fill the trilling joy of freedom. It was there he met with God face to face.
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Joel, goal was teach his two sons to kneel with him and learn to pray and preach Christ, no matter age they were. He would take them out with him when went to preach. And every morning and every night, they circled for prayer to the Most high”

Joel was the leader for prayer at the Church. He thought at first most would love to come and pray together. There are many reason, that kept many away. It was toiling the ground before a few would come.
There at one of the meeting Daniel stood and read.

..The Necessity of Revival
“The perennial burden of the Lord: Ears shut to His voice and eyes blinded by contemporary cultural impressions. Consciences insensitive to heavenly perspectives, perception blurred and twisted by spectacles proportioned for this world. Hearts of stone, barren fields, grain falling on shallow land only to be burnt by the sun. An unrepentant people. A straying nation.
The perennial burden of parts of the Church: Why do we have to go on without renewal and revival? And the answer is a classic one: We are content to live without it, addicted to mediocrity or mistaking it for sensationalism and sensuality, dreaming our minds away into a folly of fantasy. Ours is a time marked by complacency and indifference, our own realm of existence is ruled by lethargy and a lack of conviction.” (Lars)

My dear beloved we need awake up we are blind and don’t even know it, this culture has gripped us and we mixed our selves so much into it, we can no longer tell what evil is.
My beloved have come to love the world and its view more then heavenly perspectives?\t
I ask this question listen up my Beloved Listen up. Don’t go from here not hearing this question, it is for you, for your life. It is very personal. So listen I am speaking to you. How can you go without revival?
Is this two our answer? “We are content to live without it, addicted to mediocrity or mistaking it for sensationalism and sensuality, dreaming our minds away into a folly of fantasy. Ours is a time marked by complacency and indifference, our own realm of existence is ruled by lethargy and a lack of conviction.”
What will it take my dear beloved before you are wakened to say I desire this, I am willing to do what it must, Yes I am willing to turn and change. Oh my beloved what is that we give? We so much we listen so much, but beloved are we doing? Much we are praying? Oh my beloved I wish I could speak to each with face to face and eager you to stop wasting your time and start seeking God, and not man.
This world will soon be gone, and will we have done will burn up, what will be seen as good before the Lord, How have we used our time. It so sad my beloved we hunger not so much to move to action, that will not turn back.

“The revival desperately needed is one of exchanging the prevalent addiction to mediocrity for an uncompromising stance as to seeking the Lord and a thorough vindication of His word. The revival desperately needed contains a substantial element of turning away from the common rationalization of mediocrity. The revival so desperately needed recovers sobriety, sensibility and a serious seeking of true spirituality – 1 Pet 4:7-8. The awakened church becomes aware of the fact that the church at large has been squeezed into a mould of pretense and vanity, enticed and deceived by the world – gr. Kosmos, a diadem, a costly masterpiece, blazing and flashy in appearance but directing the mind set thereon off of the beaten path.” ( Lars)

My beloved whom is willing to come and seek the Lord with desperately with one goal in mind. Christ Glory and Honor?\t
My beloved we need a serious devotion to seek the Lord, Let us be honest with each other, our devotion our love is every so weak. Whom has spent the same amount of time praying as listening to sermons? Or other things? It is time for us to seek God alone to hear his voice alone, my beloved don’t be happy with another mans express with God, seek him for your own.\t

Those in Church and out we have indeed let the world mold us and take part who we are way, let go back to fullness of Christ,

“To live rightly before the Lord, we must think rightly about God. Revival is never simple. Returning to principles and absolutes requires thoroughness and persistency. Fragmentation and oversimplification are diseases picked up at certain modern schools of theological and prophetic thinking in which greatness and dignity have been dismissed as obsolete. The bankruptcy of pragmatism will with all its devastating power reach each and every instance given over to shallowness and generalisation. The ministry of the interior must come and the games played at the outer court will end.”

My beloved yet again I beg the question have we not lost of who God is by our culture? Our pride has gripped the names of who God is away. We have said what we will think and How God does and who he is, but yet we have become disobedient and denying truth because we have said we will not summit to the word of God. Do fight to be right or are you willing to die to Christ even if you are wrong? Give up your pride I beg you my beloved. Long to know God, even if it fully different then you think now.

The perennial burden of the Lord: A people which eagerly seeks every heavenly blessing, trying to bypass the necessity of repentance and sanctification. A people which expects restoration without holiness. A people which enjoys what they call glory, an earthly phenomenon containing no heavenly substance, a substitute and a matter of pretence. As the backbone of this stance we find a humanistic frame of mind at work in redefining man’s position in regards to the cross of Christ, the sacrificial submission of man and the authority of God – items misunderstood and inverted in certain groups of churches, the majesty of God lost and with this the loss of a reverential fear of God.\t

There is a great thing at risk here beloved, ask this question. What blessing do we want?
What revile do we long for? Yet the greater question who really wants it when it mean to repent and turn and give up your wicked ways? Few at best, sad to say my beloved, a call to repent has went out and yet many are holding and keeping many things in there homes. Why they want blessing but they will not to the work to which God calls that is to repent.

Beloved I ask are we in submission to God, to his rule and lordship in our lives?
Are we really people who fear God and hate Sin. Lets be real hones with our hearts?

The expression of the presence of God, the climate of a revival which will impress and revolutionise is constituted by righteousness, goodness and truth. The expression of the presence of the Lord is melted hearts which will bring the hardest heart to the point of melting. The expression of the presence of the Spirit of Life consists of exchanging the form of godliness for its living power. Revival is a voluntary and determined return to the fundamentals of Heaven, a panting after communion with the source of all being, a desperate searching for the Saviour

Do you long to be in the presence of God?
Who stand for truth? Don’t talk it live it.
Is Gods word melting our hearts?
Are you desperate to know your God, think upon how you spend your time with those on earth, do you even give God half, a 23 rd of that?

How do you know that some is doing thsi gerg?
DO you have it set on the SI with IP numbers?
Just wondering? Are you saying that Hanna and walkington are the same person? Why would they use multiple accounts? That dosn't make any sense to me? hanna account said she had been for a while I talk with her. Again do you have p number on SI? Soory very confused by this. Brother, are you saying that these people where backbiting, if so can you show me where? And maligning a character where? If I may ask brother with all repect, there has been other on SI, brother that have been much more backbiting then this person? So are you saying they were kicked for the fact of having more then one account and not the other, which other statement you where making a point?
Sorry it didn't clarifie it for me. thanks for taking the time to answer.
In his love
charlene

I do hope this was not a quote "judgment call", Greg.

The fact that Hanna was one of the earlier members of Sermon Index would seem to mitigate against these charges, as do the postings of Walkington and Hannah. If the best reason for their removal was a judgement call and not empirical evidence, well....

Asking for further clarification also, it just doesn't add up

Hi everyone.

I'd like to share some thoughts with you all. I share these with you as opinons, except when qouting scripture, and also I share them with no one in mind, in particular, that is, I'm not aiming at anyone. Just some thoughts...

Maybe prayer is not always spiritual. For instance, if it is not yeilding to God but rather seeking to control.

I was struck with this word from the proverbs this week, chapter 16 verse 28:

"A froward man soweth strife: and a whisperer separateth chief friends."

The ASV renders [i]froward[/i] as [b]perverse[/b].

The verse before this says:

"An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire."

Digging implies effort and exertion. You have to beat your way into the earth. You don't dig a hole in the ground by accident.

What are we [b]digging[/b] up?

We are all guests here.

We are all partaking of the privilege of expressing ourselves here, publically, as Christians.

James writes:

"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom."

I take this as saying: if anyone claims to be wise and full of knowledge, let him prove it this way, by demonstrating his wisdom in right behavior, in right speech, in actions and words that are subdued under the power of God and show forth what is wise, as being guided by the counsel of God, from above.

Wisdom is justified [b]of her children[/b].

A good tree brings forth [b]good fruit[/b].

He goes on to write:

"But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work."

But the fruit of righteousness he says is "...sown in peace of them that make peace"

And so he says of the wisdom which is from above, that it is [i]pure[/i] and [i]peaceable[/i].

The fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Some thoughts.

Another anonimious poster with all the answers *sigh*....... Isolationism is the doctrine that breeds depression in individual christians

who are you speaking about?

"Not everyone needs revival. Some are already walking in the light as He is in the light. What more is there than this? I "

shocking you say this, are you for real?
Why then do we need to meet? Sounds like Pride to me. Do they think they are better then they are? Yes every needs revival, maybe not in all the same way, But yes we are ever need of a new veiw and fresh love for God we are people so turn to sin quickly and love it. A man who thinks he is better then he is one who is blind to his own sin.

in Christ
charlene

ask again read this story, please tell what you think brothers and sisters

I write my dear beloved to what you have said, It seems to bring up many things in my heart.
To which I have ponder on. About 6 months ago there was something that happened, to which I learned a lot from. There was this group of godly men, who loved the Lord so much. They serve him and shared Christ more then I did for sure. They were talk of prayer, the importance of it, and how there is a great need of prayer. I agreed and Was happy to join this prayer meeting. All went well for some time. But then they had said my prayer where is way off or that with little grace and praying of sin to much. I went back prayed over my heart, I heart was not off, they just didn’t like the way I prayed. May I add they were standing for unity repentance and love. Yet I saw many believers from all over the city come together, which I taught was a wonderful thing. We are one body and are called to love all. But what I saw was sin was over looked so unity could be made. Many may Struggle andfall into a pit is one thing, but willful sins is another. When the people of God gathered it was all about the shame of their sins, a cry for mercy. So gathering of all is not wrong, but our reason and what we do can be. They gathered and repented. True weeping turning from Sins. This was a very sorrowful time. But unity that comprise sin is not honoring to God. They were saying they wanted all people to come and pray, yet I was ask to not be part of prayer meeting. So I ask what unity this that? Can we say one thing and yet act a different way. Can we say we love the body and yet chose who come and pray and not? What worry me, is when truth centered prayers are pushed off, because they offend people. I just don't understand how one can even claim they are of unity in the body when they are saying who should come and pray and not. Where is the humility? This was brought to my mind today when I saw your post. How sad I still I am over thing like this. I stand to say it is wrong. For those who unable to join the prayer meeting where ones who stood for truth. But soon, the light will shines and all things done in the dark will come out. As for me, I have seen this first hand, and have been the one kick out ask to not ask to come back. I have been told I am judgmental, How is my beloved, when one stands for holiness is ask to not come back. We will pray and cry out for change but when one show you a sin, we become pridful and say that person is judgmental. I then question who are they trying to please man or God? Who are they worried about God or man when prayers are made? Here they were having the prayer meeting on repentance yet when came down who wants to really change? there are some, but from what I have seem in the last year, it is prayer but no real cry of longing to be changed. yes we long for God, but no willingness to seek him take away the tv and Moives and say yes we are hungery? Where then is the real heart felt crys of Gods people? we read we listen to the importance prayer, but I really wonder it it has gripped most of us? Even as I am back, there are but a few who long to gather and keep praying. It isn't about praying, it about wanting God the center the passion the delight the all, the lover, it all about seek his face, wanting to hear his voice. Whom desire to hear Christ voice “Must be complete surrender of yourselves to God in this sense that this time you wish to think not your own thoughts but Gods thoughts and that you determine to preach nothing of your own invention but Gods word” So if we call a prayer meeting, let be fully surrender to God, Let truth be the center of it all! Let God word cut into mans heart, let it not be just emotions but truth! “true humility will lead you to think correctly about yourselves” In this when we are praying in humility and honesty we want to have a clear picture of who we are. “ “ why should God give blessing and then let you run away with the glory of it” God is all about his own glory, dear beloved. When I was there God at there prayer meeting months ago, He said how will this bring lasting fruit? They praise and pray to me but there still unchanged harden of heart they are still clinging to their idol, they know not what real repentance is. He will not let run away with the glory. I ponder this. If these men behind it all
for example were in sin, and they themselves where living in lies and sins, they thought God will work yet they put on real heart felt prayers into it, it was done their way and not Gods way. I have seen this many times they will at a event we want God to work, and do mighty things, but when comes down to those praying are but few or none. So ask the question does God only for his children to pray for events and after, what then would be the need well it is going? Although when I went to Paul Washer Church for their Conf they had people in their every hour. I am still pondering this one question, How we say it is all about prayer, yet when comes down to it, few gather to pray together. Do we as people have a heard time praying together. does God use dead tools for working living miracles?”To not just have a living jaw but heart what is one who boast in all preparation will soon fall” So the question lingers How can God bless something that done with wrong being done to others. It remains of Isa 58 the fast, they say they delight to meeting with God, yet God says they were doing it all wrong, there was no change in their lives. Anyways. I was thinking about that today. But I do end on this hopeful and wonderful note, when I was in Ohio there where two wonderful girls and two guys who showed what true prayer is all about. Those who draw near to God, God will draw near to them. God waits for us to give Him our all. Praise he ever so kind, but it is unwise to look pass his angry and punishment for those who will turn.

In Christ

I wasn't commenting about you, so don't be unsettled. The statement Isolationism is the doctrine that breeds depression in individual christians is acurate and biblically sound, as well as historically accurate. There are exceptions, say for instance one was a hostage or POW or prehaps in solitary confinement, the senerio can be many faceted, but that's the exception not the rule, during the exception God gives grace. I believe in prayer charlene, But God has not called me nor given me the grace to stay in prayer 24/7. There are some who may have that grace, few probably. Our prayers are keys that open doors of possibility that we use to open and go through. For most,,,not all,,,if after we'er done praying we don't add good works, than our prayers will become increasingly inward and our view of christianity will become more and more one of spiritualizing everything as our human mind views the realities of life more and more like that of fantasy. We are called to be salt and light, Jesus Himself said that you don't take a candle stick and hide it. This life we call christianity is to be lived in life(the world). Not to diminish the prayer closet, but sometimes we use excuses (I'll speak to myself here) that sound spiritual inorder to avoid living life, fear?anger? a million reasons, but it happens. Jesus never meant for us to enter the prayer closet and never come out, He was illustrating a principle of humility and the proper exercise of faith done in secret so that the Father could reward openly----did you notice that word "openly", that openly doesn't happen under a bushel.

Webster def on Revive/revival; To return to life; to recover new vigor. To bring again to life, to bring again into use or notice/ revival- Act of reviving, restoration from neglect or depression; religious awakening.

I am going to say this as kind as I can and I really hope those who read it will just be still and not speak up and come running to your defense, I personally don't believe you have any real understanding of the word "grace" let alone understanding the grace of God even by measure.

I also don't believe you even know what true humility is, in contrast to pride. Now I say this NOT as a character slam, hear me out please, any person on earth can live thier life daily being beat down by thier failures(sins), daily crying out to God to do something for them He did 2000 years ago and those individuals will never really experience the victory that's ours "in" Christ, the operative word is "IN", our humility is such that it transcends personal disposition, and its display is manifest mostly before God alone and His heavenly host. When we would seek to show it 'to the world' we have become false, that's a false humility.

The coming together is not for us to continuely be crying out to God for revival or even to have us continuely at the altar of prayer repenting over and over again, but it's for the perfecting of the saints, maturing and growing up into the full stature of the Lord Jesus Christ, it's a place of equiping individuals so that they can be an expression of Jesus in the real world (without losing thier individual personality).

I could write to you more excellant things and give you scripture and verse along with illustration after illustration but you don't have ears to hear.

TO THE READER: her comment posted that I responded to was a quote, my quote and I stand by it, Not everyone needs revival. Some are already walking in the light as He is in the light. What more is there than this? I'll add this, God is light, it doesn't get any better than this folks, not on this ole' earth.

Hello, what is your problem ? This is addressed to Dohzman. You have made some way, way over the line remarks and you continue to do so in the same spirit.

You have made some way, way over the line remarks and you continue to do so in the same spirit.

I have to say I share the same concerns as Daryl and others. Prayer is essential. We need to spend time in prayer. But there can arise a strange mystical behavior and even 'language' that I have noticed in speaking with and listening to intecessors (as they refer to themselves and each other.) The language becomes almost mystical and philosophical. I don't mind eloquence; but the simplest of truths backed by the POWER of God are what changes lives. Someone earlier used the term 'cryptic' language. Mystical and spiritual are two completely different things. And again, as a Pentecostal I have had my share of experience and have seen many things.

All I am saying is- that I have no scriptural support for lighting a candle and hiding it away. Jesus said that no man does that. Is the candle not lit yet? Why tarry and tarry after the fire falls? Has the fire not fallen yet? That is how people start weirding out. To everything there is a season. If there is a biblical basis for being shut away with God, unendingly for the sole purpose of intercession I would wish to see it and I'll be satisfied. I just don't see it as being a spiritually healthy thing to do.

The fact that the word revival isn’t a NT word would certainly make this phenomena very difficult to define. No wonder we have such a variety of expectations!

Some are already walking in the light as He is in the light.

What more is there than this?

” “ I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his people, 19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. Eph. 1:18

16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord's people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.” Eph. 2: 18-19

Both these scriptures are set into an epistle that describes our unity in Christ, and ultimately, unity in the body. Since there appears to be some struggle in this area, that is, there are some dividing walls, then surely these prayers for one another would be most appropriate and timely.

Prayer is essential

Oh, Lord, help us to cling ever closer to the Vine, so that we may be more and more empowered to grasp your love and live it in the Body.

Diane

How do you know that some is doing thsi gerg?
DO you have it set on the SI with IP numbers?
Just wondering? Are you saying that Hanna and walkington are the same person? Why would they use multiple accounts? That dosn't make any sense to me? hanna account said she had been for a while I talk with her. Again do you have p number on SI? Soory very confused by this. Brother, are you saying that these people where backbiting, if so can you show me where? And maligning a character where? If I may ask brother with all repect, there has been other on SI, brother that have been much more backbiting then this person? So are you saying they were kicked for the fact of having more then one account and not the other, which other statement you where making a point?

I don't know all about this situation, but yes, Greg can see your IP address. If you notice at the upper right corner of each post there is a box that says "IP." You can't click on it because he has disabled it for regular users. I'm sure moderators can see it.

A listend to a Tozer sermon today on the MP3 player, he said this quote and it was a intresting "view".

he said something like "Revival is nothing more then mens worshiping of God intensified"

Probably destroyed Tozers quote.....but i think i captured his point in what he was trying to say.

I don't know all about this situation, but yes, Greg can see your IP address. If you notice at the upper right corner of each post there is a box that says "IP." You can't click on it because he has disabled it for regular users. I'm sure moderators can see it.

I don't know much about computers, but when I was a Mod it was pretty easy, even for me, to see that a person was using multiple accounts.

A combination of computer tools (like the IP button in the upper right hand corner) and, even more, a familiarity with the site and the members makes it possible.

One case in point: Kire (tears of joy) and others picked out someone real quick who had their account deleted but thought it possible to disguise themselves with a new account.

There is an accepted etiquette or culture you could say on an internet forum. There are established rules of engagement, not to keep forums like this from being profitable, but so that they can be profitable.

Now I say this NOT as a character slam

Brother what do you call it?
I beg you to stop hurting me with your words, and doing it in front all these people. I am hurt and sadden by your mean and unkind words.
I beg that you see that you are not acting out of love, but you have hurt a sister this day.

I beg brother if you have words to speak to me, please Pm. but please stop saying these about me. I am hurt and saddened. PLease speak your words frist to yourself.

My brothers and sister please lets be open and honest and real. and talk of truth but lets not hurts in the means of it. Truth is most important even we dear not speak about it. WHom I say will stand for truth? Indeed Jesus and was killed. Lets learn to love deeper.

Thanks
In Christ

I have no idea what happened in Ohio, it seems to me something did. But I believe it should be solved in private and not openly over the forum.

Quote By Sister charlene to bro daryl:shocking you say this, are you for real?
Why then do we need to meet? Sounds like Pride to me. Do they think they are better then they are? Yes every needs revival, maybe not in all the same way, But yes we are ever need of a new veiw and fresh love for God we are people so turn to sin quickly and love it. A man who thinks he is better then he is one who is blind to his own sin

You could have at least had the decentsy to quote the whole comment and tell me what you disagree about here it is for you.

Dohzman wrote to charlene: I also don't believe you even know what true humility is, in contrast to pride. Now I say this NOT as a character slam, hear me out please, any person on earth can live thier life daily being beat down by thier failures(sins), daily crying out to God to do something for them He did 2000 years ago and those individuals will never really experience the victory that's ours "in" Christ, the operative word is "IN", our humility is such that it transcends personal disposition, and its display is manifest mostly before God alone and His heavenly host. When we would seek to show it 'to the world' we have become false, that's a false humility.

My comment to you was simply that you view me as one who is full of pride and blinded to his sin, I think in earlier posts else where it was said that I need saved and a whole bunch of other stuff. If you know what true humility is my comments to you should not be reason for offense, but you can play the card you've played and that's fine but it doesn't change the fact that you decided to cast aspersions on my character.

You want truth but who s truth? Contained in what I write is the principles of God's Word. But to be honest I can't see one principle from God's Word in what you wrote about me.

[b]1Cor.14
[33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.[/b]

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1Pe 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
1Pe 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
1Pe 3:9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Due to time restrictions brought on by health issues, I and my dear wife were unable to attend the Revival Conference.
I was able to watch the nightly sessions and was greatly blessed by the messages of all three nights. Brother Kenaston blessed my heart on the first night and I waited in great expectation the second, to hear Brother Conlon, and the third night to hear Brother Daniels. As I said all three spoke to my heart and all three spoke to different issues that we all need to deal with.

Why all the bickering? If you somehow did not need what was preached those three nights than fine, don’t bother me or those who do with your drivel. This may sound harsh but life is to short and our time to precious to be wasted on such.
I’m very disappointed at all who feel they must tear down or build up something that can only come from our Lord Jesus Christ.

Maybe we all should repent and start over, How about putting our faces to the ground until He lifts us up together.

John 13:34-35
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. [35] By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

No wonder the world looks and shakes their heads, if this is what we call revival.
:-(

In His Love
pastorfrin

[b][color=CC3300]STRIFE
a: bitter sometimes violent conflict or dissension ... b: an act of contention : fight, struggle ... 2: exertion or contention for superiority

Luke.22
[24] And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.

Rom.13
[13] Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

1Cor.3
[3] For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

2Cor.12
[20] For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

Phil.2
[3] Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Jas.3
[16] For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.[/color][/b]

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What I wrote was not meant to be pointed at you,
It was saying that none of us are perfect and ever will be until we go with Christ. I am very sorry that you took as me calling you prideful and blind to sin. to all is it right to think we are better then we are? Saying I have no sin, I need not repent, that is in fact a pridful thing to say. You are right I should wrote you, please forgive on that matter. But I am sorry, I am sorry brother that I upset you.
What truth do we seek but that which is from God. Brother I think you have missunderstood me. But again I have ask that you Pm, if you have something to say to me. I ask of a man of God to repect my wish on this matter. I am willing to talk you on matters. But this matter is deeper then meets the eyes. So please brother I have said I am sorry, will you not? Forgive each other, 7 times 7?

My beloved family please pray, that we will all act in love and grace with each other. If I have said or done anything that is wrong, pm and speak with me. I ask or may I say beg you for your prayers, in all these matters. Unity comes from humility and forgiveness. My brother and siters be in prayer and take these matters to the Lord and seek his wisdom in all things. Don't be quick to judge, seek out his word.
Seek for the truth, from the word and Holy Spirit
Again, I say you have the right to Pm.

Thank you. God is a God of order, so ask your question why is there no order?

Please lets pray my belove family. We all need Gods grace I need alot

In his love
charlene

You have made some way, way over the line remarks and you continue to do so in the same spirit.

I have to say I share the same concerns as Daryl and others.

I really can't believe that anybody who met Charlene in Canton would ever say these kind of things, period.

It's as plain as the nose on your face. This lady has a heart the size of Texas and is as genuine as the day is long. And she is a lady. Hello ?

I'm beginning to think that maybe Charlene has been nominated for a Supreme Court justice, the way stuff has been flying around here.

Karsten

I have to say I share the same concerns as Daryl and others.

May I ask whoever the others are ! please Pm me, with your concerns thanks.

Please whoever you are, which I unsure of, but please Pm. It sounds like many who have concerns. So please Pm me.

In His love
charlene

ask again read this story, please tell what you think brothers and sisters

I write my dear beloved to what you have said, It seems to bring up many things in my heart.
To which I have ponder on. About 6 months ago there was something that happened, to which I learned a lot from. There was this group of godly men, who loved the Lord so much. They serve him and shared Christ more then I did for sure. They were talk of prayer, the importance of it, and how there is a great need of prayer. I agreed and Was happy to join this prayer meeting. All went well for some time. But then they had said my prayer where is way off or that with little grace and praying of sin to much. I went back prayed over my heart, I heart was not off, they just didn’t like the way I prayed. May I add they were standing for unity repentance and love. Yet I saw many believers from all over the city come together, which I taught was a wonderful thing. We are one body and are called to love all. But what I saw was sin was over looked so unity could be made. Many may Struggle andfall into a pit is one thing, but willful sins is another. When the people of God gathered it was all about the shame of their sins, a cry for mercy. So gathering of all is not wrong, but our reason and what we do can be. They gathered and repented. True weeping turning from Sins. This was a very sorrowful time. But unity that comprise sin is not honoring to God. They were saying they wanted all people to come and pray, yet I was ask to not be part of prayer meeting. So I ask what unity this that? Can we say one thing and yet act a different way. Can we say we love the body and yet chose who come and pray and not? What worry me, is when truth centered prayers are pushed off, because they offend people. I just don't understand how one can even claim they are of unity in the body when they are saying who should come and pray and not. Where is the humility? This was brought to my mind today when I saw your post. How sad I still I am over thing like this. I stand to say it is wrong. For those who unable to join the prayer meeting where ones who stood for truth. But soon, the light will shines and all things done in the dark will come out. As for me, I have seen this first hand, and have been the one kick out ask to not ask to come back. I have been told I am judgmental, How is my beloved, when one stands for holiness is ask to not come back. We will pray and cry out for change but when one show you a sin, we become pridful and say that person is judgmental. I then question who are they trying to please man or God? Who are they worried about God or man when prayers are made? Here they were having the prayer meeting on repentance yet when came down who wants to really change? there are some, but from what I have seem in the last year, it is prayer but no real cry of longing to be changed. yes we long for God, but no willingness to seek him take away the tv and Moives and say yes we are hungery? Where then is the real heart felt crys of Gods people? we read we listen to the importance prayer, but I really wonder it it has gripped most of us? Even as I am back, there are but a few who long to gather and keep praying. It isn't about praying, it about wanting God the center the passion the delight the all, the lover, it all about seek his face, wanting to hear his voice. Whom desire to hear Christ voice “Must be complete surrender of yourselves to God in this sense that this time you wish to think not your own thoughts but Gods thoughts and that you determine to preach nothing of your own invention but Gods word” So if we call a prayer meeting, let be fully surrender to God, Let truth be the center of it all! Let God word cut into mans heart, let it not be just emotions but truth! “true humility will lead you to think correctly about yourselves” In this when we are praying in humility and honesty we want to have a clear picture of who we are. “ “ why should God give blessing and then let you run away with the glory of it” God is all about his own glory, dear beloved. When I was there God at there prayer meeting months ago, He said how will this bring lasting fruit? They praise and pray to me but there still unchanged harden of heart they are still clinging to their idol, they know not what real repentance is. He will not let run away with the glory. I ponder this. If these men behind it all
for example were in sin, and they themselves where living in lies and sins, they thought God will work yet they put on real heart felt prayers into it, it was done their way and not Gods way. I have seen this many times they will at a event we want God to work, and do mighty things, but when comes down to those praying are but few or none. So ask the question does God only for his children to pray for events and after, what then would be the need well it is going? Although when I went to Paul Washer Church for their Conf they had people in their every hour. I am still pondering this one question, How we say it is all about prayer, yet when comes down to it, few gather to pray together. Do we as people have a heard time praying together. does God use dead tools for working living miracles?”To not just have a living jaw but heart what is one who boast in all preparation will soon fall” So the question lingers How can God bless something that done with wrong being done to others. It remains of Isa 58 the fast, they say they delight to meeting with God, yet God says they were doing it all wrong, there was no change in their lives. Anyways. I was thinking about that today. But I do end on this hopeful and wonderful note, when I was in Ohio there where two wonderful girls and two guys who showed what true prayer is all about. Those who draw near to God, God will draw near to them. God waits for us to give Him our all. Praise he ever so kind, but it is unwise to look pass his angry and punishment for those who will turn.

In Christ

Please can tell this wrong. or not? thanks

I did not attend the conference, but did listen to several sermons online. They were so thought provoking, so inspiring I hope to listen to them again in the future. These were men who were very passionate about their God and wished for others to become so as well.

I was blessed ..

Blessings,
ginnyrose

These were men who were very passionate about their God and wished for others to become so as well.

They were just like you Ginny.

MC

It didn't take long for things to return to business as usual it seems.

Assertions and assumptions, long discourses and personal offendedness, strife and confusion ...

Plainly, some things are frankly none of anybodies business and a satisfactory answer is just not going to be forthcoming to appease each and every individual.

There may be a whole other side to matters that we are not privy to (this moderator included). To begin throwing about answers and insinuations, to things not stated or in response to silence is the great blight that is a seemingly constant too often in this forum. Far too much self promotion, far too much 'guess work', even to the complaining about how consistent the moderators discretion is in any given situation ... Goodness. Am far from offended but it might surprise some here that we do have lives away from all this and cannot possibly be all things to everybody ... Where is the personal humility and the holding of ones peace, better holding ones tongue ... It has been asked before but, is much of this necessary?

It doesn't apply to everyone and that is the great difficulty in just trying to mitigate these things. I am not about to get into specifics over things I know nothing about, that was the original plea for some clarification asked and asked to be discussed privately for the sole purpose of not having this sort of mess that we now have before us.

Whatever else might have taken place is not a matter of proving out the truth or not of it, just that this is not the proper place for airing it all out especially if it is going to be done in such a vagueness and accusatory tone. How things ought to have been done, how the praying should have gone ... Something selfish and self interested seems to be over riding what was for the most part left up to the Holy Spirits direction and the best discerning of that direction from those that contributed themselves to the events of these days. Imperfect and not to everyones liking apparently, that shouldn't be a surprise nor is it a necessary dig. That it must be turned out into strife and contention, offendedness and complaining ... Time to start re-reading the Martyrs and the persecuted again, both past and present just to realign our priorities.

"That in all things Christ would be magnified, Christ would be seen..."

Rahman wrote:

[b][color=CC3300]STRIFE
a: bitter sometimes violent conflict or dissension ... b: an act of contention : fight, struggle ... 2: exertion or contention for superiority

Luke.22
[24] And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.

Rom.13
[13] Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

1Cor.3
[3] For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

2Cor.12
[20] For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:

Phil.2
[3] Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Jas.3
[16] For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.[/color][/b]

:-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o :-o

Pro 10:11 The mouth of a righteous man is a well of life: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.
Pro 10:12 Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.
Pro 10:13 In the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found: but a rod is for the back of him that is void of understanding.

How do you know that some is doing thsi gerg?
DO you have it set on the SI with IP numbers?
Just wondering? Are you saying that Hanna and walkington are the same person? Why would they use multiple accounts? That dosn't make any sense to me? hanna account said she had been for a while I talk with her. Again do you have p number on SI? sorry very confused by this. Brother, are you saying that these people where backbiting, if so can you show me where? And maligning a character where? If I may ask brother with all repect, there has been other on SI, brother that have been much more backbiting then this person? So are you saying they were kicked for the fact of having more then one account and not the other, which other statement you where making a point?

Mike I am sorry if this was written with little grace. I wasn't by any means for to be, but re reading I can see where I sounded wrong. I just wondering about Ip I didn't ask with Grace. As Hanna and Waslkington, I was just wondering, there so much that has been said, it og been nice to have a clear picture thats all.
again sorry I was a little upset. You are right I should prayed before posting. Thank you for having grace with us.
may God give us peace and a sound mind. I am praying for you brother I know you are very busy. Thank you for all you do. Have a wonderful night.

In His love
charlene

Brothers and sisters, just now in prayer and meditation I thought of this part of a verse, from Romans 14:23. I'd like to share it:

It says

[i]...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.[/i]

If I could copy it again...

[i]...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.[/i]

Sometimes I like to read verses slowly in my mind, pausing on the several words in them

for whatsoever

is not of faith

is sin.

Grace to you, and peace.

The time is short, the harvest is ripe, and we practice platitudes while the world perishes in hunger.

Yes, let us move [u]forward[/u] from the Conference in the hunger to get beyond those things that so easily entangle us! Sometimes, we can "[i]make mountains out of molehills[/i]" -- even in matters of the propriety of true revival.

I wasn't able to attend the Conference due to some responsibilities at work and home, and it literally [u]hurt[/u] to have missed it! But I was privileged to have watched and listened via the Internet. My wife and I were extremely challenged, motivated and driven to my knees!

Let's not let anything (opinions, prejudices, or apparent offenses) come between what the Lord has for us. Instead, let us shake ourselves of any spirit of cynicism (...and I am not accusing anyone of this...) and boldly go to our knees in order to know Christ ever so intimately!

After all, He is truly all that really matters. When we are close enough to feel and know His heartbeat, some things just won't bother us as much as they do. Plus, we will know the next step that the Lord has prepared for us.

:-)

When we are close enough to feel and know His heartbeat, some things just won't bother us as much as they do

Of course, this is the very one thing our adversary would NOT wish. Failed expectations are handy props for him - to distract us. But God can use them too: to teach us that he is not controlled by our desires and expectations, and to help us learn about ourselves.

I was in Canton too - a few months earlier. Still, the Spirit is not confined to time and place. The Wind blows where it will. I sure felt some breeze!

The SI conference is but a small step in the process of God’s far bigger work. Perhaps one of his plans has been to put to death our faulty expectations and understanding about revival and thus lay a foundation for his future work – beginning now.

There is only one thing that would be utterly grievous: That we fail to see the God-ordained lessons for us because our eyes are looking in the wrong places.

Diane