"The Emergent Church": Mark Driscoll tells all!

The Emergent Church is the real Churches fault. All the compromise in all areas of lifestyle and theology has birthed this garbage.

I went to mars hill and watched a clip of Driscoll and the spirit in me was deeply grieved. This is not true Christianity. In the church people can text message him DURING the service and ask him questions. And they are sort of vetted by a staff and displayed on the screen. The "first" question they asked him was:

"The t-shirts you wear don't they mock Jesus instead of glorifying Him?"

He answers and mockingly shows his shirt: God save me from your followers.

The Emergent Church is the real Churches fault. All the compromise in all areas of lifestyle and theology has birthed this garbage.

Wow, comparing Mark Driscoll to Charles Spurgeon? Seriously? You truly don't know much about Mark Driscoll!

I can see why on the surface some of the bumper sticker theology of Driscoll (God Save Me From Your People) might resonate with some on this forum. Over time I have noticed that there are many here who have either been hurt by the "church" or are disgusted with the "church". What many of you don't realize is that is the "hook" that the Emergent church is using to reel people in.

But make no doubt about it, the Emergent church movement is nothing but pure heresy. It is postmodernism to the very core.

John MacArthur has had a lot to say about Mark Driscoll and some of the other Emergent gurus, I would recommend you begin there when wanted to discover the absolute heresy of these guys. Also on Todd Friel's show Wretched on the NRB Network (DirecTV at 11:30pm) he discusses Driscoll and other Emergent heretics frequently.

One book in particular that MacArthur wrote on the subject is "The Truth War".

By the way... you quoted the newspaper from the 1880's as saying:

"His style is that of the vulgar colloquial varied by rant... All the most solemn mysteries of our holy religion are by him rudely, roughly, and impiously handled. Mystery is vulgarised, sanctity profaned, common sense outraged; and decency disgusted... His rantings are interspersed with coarse anecdotes that split the ears of the groundlings; and this is popularity!"

You need to understand that just like today Charles Spurgeon was lied about in the media. Also, when the newspaper spoke of "mystery is vulgarized, sanctity profaned, common sense outraged; and decency disgusted" it was referring to the fact the Mr. Spurgeon spoke in a way that brought the message to the lowest of the low in England. He spoke in a way that brought the gospel message to the common man. Not in vulgar terms as we understand it today... but in a way that the most uneducated man of his time could understand. He did not speak in a high Shakespearean manner, as was the custom of the day for popular preachers in England in the 1880's.

THAT is what was meant by "vulgarized" and "profaned".

Charles Spurgeon NEVER spoke with profanities, never used "vulgar" language as we understand "vulgarity" today. He never uttered blasphemies such as we hear from many of the Emergent Church leaders today.

I have a 15 volume set of Charles Spurgeon's sermons on my bookshelf behind me where I am sitting right now. I will box them up and mail them to you tomorrow... feel free to read every page and I challenge you to find even ONE profanity or vulgarity on any page.

On the flip side, all you have to do is go to YouTube, or read MacArthur's book on the topic of Emergent Churches and the profanity, vulgarity, heresy and blasphemies of the Emergent Church leaders is right there on display.

You need to be very careful when you start talking about the character of someone, even dead people. It falls under "bearing false witness"... gossip.

So you're saying Driscoll renounced what he formerly taught?

If there is proof of that then I was mistaken about him. However, the Emergent Church itself has not changed, but has only become more "postmodern", and on that I stand on what I said about the Emergent Church. If Driscoll has renounced what the Emergent Church teaches and has separated from it then I say Praise the Lord.

Zeal can be stupid? Thats interesting considering that it was prophecied that Jesus would have zeal for God's house. (Psalm 69:9 & John 2:17) Paul also commanded Timothy (and the readers...that would be us) to contend earnestly for the faith (zeal). (Jude 3)

By the way, is it common practice on this "christian" forum to insinuate that other contributors are "stupid"? I know I am new here, but it was my hope that this forum would be slightly different than some of the other worldly "christian" forums on the internet. On most days Sermon Index seems to be different, but some days it seems there is an undercurrent of self righteousness and rudeness... neither one of which fall under the category of "fruits of the Spirit". Well, they fall under the "fruits of A spirit", but not the Holy Spirit.

If a man is habitually teaching something PUBLICLY, then he should not be surprised if he is corrected PUBLICLY.

If a man wants to put all of his teachings on Youtube, then he should not be surprised if someone posts a rebuttal on Youtube.

Here is a public letter to be read in all the churches, by Paul.

1Ti 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Another one:

2Ti 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Now, I don't know anything about this Mark Driscoll. But generally speaking, those that have discernment about doctrine being preached (elders, mature saints) usually warned the church in the NT.

1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

HomeSkoolDad,

I take what people say on SI as coming from them and not representative of SI.

Hi HSD,

I think you're misinterpreting jimp's point. You got the first bit, about the person by the fire having renounced that he never knew Christ, but not the comment about zeal.

jimp did not say that zeal per se is stupid, but that sometimes in our zeal we are less ready than we should be, to accept that a person has repented, and moved on.

"Now, I don't know anything about this Mark Driscoll. But generally speaking, those that have discernment about doctrine being preached (elders, mature saints) usually warned the church in the NT.

1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

HomeSkoolDad,

"I take what people say on SI as coming from them and not representative of SI."
....Right on! Pilgrim777
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Of course deceivers have something good to say, and an element of the truth. Consider Satan's words in the temptation of Jesus, as he ever so subtly twisted scripture.

I have listened to, and perused Driscoll's teaching. My take on him is that this is the fruit of Extreme grace,[primarily, once saved, always saved, and God loves everybody no matter what...] which changed his ideas from scripture, and holy prudence, to a somewhat profane permissiveness.

Without a blush, he speaks of very, very private sexual issues,[ peppered with occasional cussing..] while hammering the limits of holiness through this idea of living full bore,extreme, and radically for yourself. Kind of a twist on Olsteen's "be all you can be" to "experience all that your soul you can do" doctrine, meshed with a no condemnation approach because we are all saved anyhow.[where is the fire of Hell part?]

Because the Word in its purity is denied, so is conviction of sin...[ what conviction of who?],along with any continuing repentance from dead works...[ which we all need continually..].which in turn creates a permissive culture, rather than a biblical and holy church.

The result is comfort, comfort for those who desire to live free...but the freedom is veiled. It is freedom from the cross of Christ Jesus, and abiding in his Holy Spirit; the only means that a man or a woman has to attain Heaven.

Mark 8. Jesus speaks.
34. [Jesus] “Whoever desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.

35. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it."
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This man has subtly adapted a gospel opposite of the spirit of these words. I fear many will lose their lives by believing it.

One book in particular that MacArthur wrote on the subject is "The Truth War".

Amen
The last days are the times of apostasy from truth - 'truth wars' indeed. Christians have not and will not be killed for being a nice bunch of people, but because of standing for truth.

If a man is habitually teaching something PUBLICLY, then he should not be surprised if he is corrected PUBLICLY.

This is very true Pilgrim. Paul rebuked Peter "before all", as well.

Brothertom, your post was very accurate.

Some of us may remember also the New Year's bash that Mark put on at his church.

Protecting 'lambs' was and still is the calling of the so-called 'mature sheep'.
I see very little of that anymore. Just apostacy from truth.
First we were snarled at for saying the word "doctrine" and now it's become the same way for that precious word that Jesus and His Apostles spoke of the most - 'Truth'.

I for one do not yell. I speak with tears, even when my posts are long and contain questions, but if we defend the need for truth at all in these days, we'll be labeled and judged as the enemy of "love", peace, unity or 'good fellowship'. There will always be one to come with sometimes just a one-liner to undo any call for our need for truth. They have the 'gift' of undoing any call for sound doctrine or truth. After a while, you almost get to know which threads they'll be drawn to, to tear down. Call them 'truth stoppers' but The Word of GOD has other names for them.

A man's 'behavior and words' expose whether he is "walking in the truth" or not.
So it goes for Mark Discoll, and so it goes for 'truth stoppers'. (They stop they're ears, as the Word says and want to plug-up the lambs ears as well.) Grievious!

There is absolutely no doubt that we are in the days when "truth is thrown in the streets".

Speaking of Spurgeon: If you have or can find "Morning and Evening" on the web - Read 'this' Mornings- 11/28. Bless GOD! That brings back the smile. Thanks.

Yes... somehow I totally misunderstood jimp... and I apologize for the ensuing chaos. My bad. please forgive me.

...i try not to walk in criticism for He is not the accuser of the brethren..

This may sound right under different circumstances, but "wolves in sheep clothing" were always exposed by Jesus and His Apostles. "Criticism" is not even a Biblical thought or word in The Word, when it comes to exposing error that is brought into what is called The Church.

Would you allow your grandchildren or any new converts to sit under a man who curses and speaks far too openly about sex and preaches easy believism?

It is obvious that there is a true crisis here of a famine of His Word.
Lots of talk about some "Jesus" person, but not His Word.
HIS Word is all that matters here - not ours or our sentimental experiences.
Either we are the "people of The Word" or we're nominal christians. He and His Book maintains that as truth.

So many christians these days, sound more like Pilate than Jesus' Disciples.

Here, in these verses, was one time that Jesus did not need to yell - and neither am I....

Joh 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then?
Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.
TO 'THIS END' WAS I BORN, AND FOR 'THIS CAUSE' CAME I INTO THE WORLD, THAT I SHOULD "BEAR WITNESS UNTO THE TRUTH" AND EVERY ONE THAT IS OF THE TRUTH HEARTH MY VOICE.

Joh 18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?"

Three times Jesus questioned Peter after His resurrection - "Do you love me?" and what did Jesus command Peter to do if he indeed did love Him?

Protecting the flock was what Jesus commissioned the more mature In The Word to do, as His Apostles and every great man since, in the History of The Church have done just that.... and paid a great price for it, I might add.

Most all of the Epistles were written to counteract heresies. All were what we call Apologetics ... the defense of truth against error.

I ask in brotherly love - are these few verses posted here "criticisms"?

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Luk 10:3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

Act 20:26 [Paul said] Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.
Act 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

I agree w/ Jesus-is-God. While I misunderstood 'jimp', calling out false teachers is not "accusing the brethren" because in order to "accuse the brethren" the accused must first be brethren. False teacher (those who teach 'another gospel') are not our brethren. They are unregnerate 'devils'.

Anyone who thinks differently needs to read John MacArthur's book "The Jesus You Can't Ignore: What You Must Learn From The Bold Confrontations Of Christ"

So when Paul called out false teachers, etc you are saying that he sinned?

I think you have seriously misunderstood scripture in regards to "judging".

We live in a society today where their beliefs (leaven) have seeped into the church.

The word discriminate is a good word, but worldly society has made it a bad word. Yet we all are discriminatory in many ways. We are discriminate in our tastes for food, or cars that we drive, or other things that we purchase. To discriminate is to judge. We judge that we like this or like that. All humans are discriminatory and judgmental.

Yet these words have been classified by the politically correct as bad words.

We are to judge between good and bad doctrine. We are not to judge a person's eternal destination.

The Word of God is like a water filter. It is used to filter all kinds of beliefs and doctrines. Truth is pure water and contaminants must be filtered out by the Word of God. Otherwise, what are we to drink?

Satan transmits doctrinal beliefs and philosophies through men. We must judge the meaning of words and beliefs.

We judge the food and drink for our bodies and we must judge the food and drink for our spiritual "body" also.

Since man transmits correct or incorrect doctrine, then man will be judged as to whether he/she is a false teacher or not.

It is really not that hard to understand. The Lord judged the Pharisees as hypocrites and He is the One who shows us how to judge rightly. We don't judge subjectively. Only by the whole counsel of God's Word.

Did you know that none of the spiritual gifts work without the gift of discernment? Satan knows this and would love to give discernment a negative connotation.

Jimp, I know your heart is not to see any brother treated unfairly. I agree that we have to be very careful. You make some interesting points and I would just like to add that all of Paul's letters are written by the Holy Spirit for the entire church all over the world. His letters were not just for 'his' sheep as you put it. His letters were circulated to many cities and eventually they were canonized as the Word of God and are now read by the whole world. They have great application for us today.

Remember, that before Paul died, he said, that false brethren would arise amongst you. This is very significant. He said, FALSE BRETHREN would arise among us.

He tells us to turn away from those that profess a form of godliness but deny the power thereof.

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

TURN AWAY, JIMP. What are we suppose to do with this verse? To turn away, you have to judge and discern what you are going to turn to or turn away from.

Paul says that we are to hold fast sound words. In order to hold fast sound words, we also have to know what not to hold fast to. We are not to hold fast to every word, right?

2Ti 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Regarding Jannes and Jambres Paul says this:
2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Jimp, it is a fact that the folly of some men is manifest to those who discern truth. Are we wrong to warn the younger believers who are not yet mature in discernment?

An earthly Mother and Father teach their kids right and wrong. They teach them discernment. It is to protect them and keep them on the "narrow" path and from following strangers with get rich quick schemes or anyone else out there that would take advantage of their naivete, their innocence.

You say we are called to do justly and love mercy and I agree.

It is "doing justly" to expose false prophets, false shepherds and protect the church and the mercy part is that we welcome anyone into our fellowship who repents of their folly. And we walk humbly with our God and ask Him to keep us from being deceived.

I don't know what you have experienced and I am sure it is pretty bad. You call it a blight and I think you have seen some unjust judging that has hurt many. I think we all have. Let's not go to the other extreme, though.

Love you bro,
Pilgrim

I'll take it one step further... the HOLY SPIRIT wrote those words of warning against those false teachers. He did it through Paul. Some of those false teachers were called out BY NAME... for all eternity for everyone who picks up a Bible to read. It was GOD's intention and plan to have those men called out... by name... through Paul... for all the world to see.

That's pretty heavy stuff.

If we did not exercise godly, scriptural judgement in the church can you imagine the chaos we would have? In fact, much of the problems in the church today are because of the lack of exercising godly, scriptural judgement.

Can judging be a problem in the church? Absolutely! No one denies that. But we are not to throw the baby out with the bathwater and swing the other direction and just allow any old thing to take place or be taught. We twist scripture when we do that.

Hi Lisa,

I am only talking about "judging" and am not familiar with Mark Driscoll.

The thread is about Mark Driscoll. :)

And what he teaches to countless Gospel ignorant thousands.

Not exactly sure what you're looking for in your question Lisa, but Brothertom and I both gave testimony, as did one or two others of how this man conducts himself in his 'ministry'.

The only "process" that The Word speaks of is 'Knowing' the Word of GOD for ourselves, so that upon hearing or seeing error we are protected. That's our only plumbline for discerning doctrine and behaviors. If we are truly dedicated to His Word, in study with prayer - He promises that His sheep will only follow The Word of GOD.

If no Scriptures have come to your mind from Brothertom's adequate exposition on this man or the other Brother's, well - I just doubt that could be the case with you.
I have more confidence that not a few Scripture verses will come to your mind, after reading and thinking this over again.

Our only plumbline is His Word - as that is what is written - it's our only defense - Vital part of the true Armor.

wearisome, wearisome, wearisome.

forget all these men, these "teachers", and these books, and these video's, and all the stuff of seminaries, and christianese, and the games, and the collection plates, and the meetings, and the trafficking in decisions, and denominations, and "christian tv", christian "music", and "culture wars" and whining about "sharia law" coming to a mall near you. forget all of it,

its dross, hay stubble, its temporal, its all an illusion, the only real question is:

DO WE KNOW GOD?

face to Face?

all i want to do is speak to Him, like a Friend....and listen to Him, HEAR Him, like my Father that He is, disobedient stiff necked child that i am. Have mercy on me, i'm desperate, hungry, thirsty, naked, and a sinful man amongst a sinful people...have Mercy on me, so that i may be of some,, any use to You Abba God.

i just want to peek thru the Open Door, because i am soul sick of the world, soul sick of my sin, my unprofitableness.

if i'm going to be crushed, lonely, hungry, scorned, let it be by man, the world and the devil, and in my weakness, let me get so desperate that i break every bone in my body reaching for the Hem of the Garment of Jesus.

let my impoverishment be worldy poverty, for i beg God to give me back what the moths have eaten, and to be Rich in Christ, to know God, which is True Wealth, Real Food and Living Waters.

Praise God for the desolate places, the caves and the cold, so i can beg Him to kindle a Fire in my soul.

His Warmth, His Love, My Father...everything else is just wearisome.

Help me know You Lord, help my kin know You Lord, turn us from the things of man, and back towards You again..please, amen.

Thank you Neil, I needed that and am repenting.

I am reminded of Psalm 103:7.

Psa 103:7 He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.

We are so very much like Israel of old. The majority of Christians know his acts but so very, very few know His ways.

Knowing His ways is knowing Him.

Lord help us to not follow after all these "distractions" and clever traps of the enemy that just feed our flesh. But help us to follow hard after you, to know your ways, your heart.

Some poster asked earlier if I am "oneness". I feel, for the most part, that anyone who asks to know my doctrinal beliefs, has every right to ask, according to His Word.

How we seperate "The WORD of GOD" from "The WORD of GOD" "wearies me" more than anything on earth or any untruth on earth.

I know that in some countries, the people do not have access to even one page of the N.T. - but I know from my early days in Christ - that His Word is true - that His Spirit of Truth will lead us into all truth and that His Sheep "won't follow another" .... such as these false prophets and teachers that Jesus warned us will come and that He warned that we should "watch out for" - and to protect His flock from - if we're able.

I know from reading Paul's epistles that no man was more "weary" than he was, in having to battle and contend for the truth - because he knew that "The Truth" is synonomous with "The Truth" Who is our Christ Jesus.
He cannot be seperated from His Word. He is The Word of GOD. I don't weary of saying that because it's marvelous and beautiful.

To the brother who asked if I'm "oneness" - Why would my sign-on-name provoke that question. :)

Jesus IS God.

There is Only One GOD.

Creator GOD was on that Cross.

GOD is Tripartite or Triune - nevertheless One GOD.

And we're created tripartite, yet are one person.

Reading Philippians 3 - the whole chpt. Bless GOD!

"wearisome, wearisome, wearisome."
its dross, hay stubble, its temporal, its all an illusion, the only real question is:
DO WE KNOW GOD?
face to Face?
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It is wearisome, no doubt Neil.

The fact that false prophets, deceivers and heretics never quit trying to devour God's people was a bit wearisome to all of the shepherds in the bible also.
ACTS 20.
25 “Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again.

26 Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you.

27 For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God.

28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

31 So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." ..................................KEEP WATCH OVER YOURSELVES AND THE FLOCK. "Proclaim the whole counsel of God!"

This is largely what this thread is about, and others like it.

Do you think that after 3 years, day and night, that Paul may have become weary? I think so. But yet, he never stopped warning, and exposing.

This thread is a question about exactly that; whether the emergent, extreme grace gospel of Mark Driscoll is a valid path of the true gospel. If it is not, but error, then the souls of the naive might be captured, and end up in the eternal Lake of fire. Am I my brother's keeper?

I'm really glad that all you desire to do is find:

"His Warmth, His Love, My Father"... [and] everything else is just wearisome." Nathan4Jesus

THATS GOOD. but that, and only that,is not the entire gospel. Part of love is TO:

JUDE.. 3...
"contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints."

4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.!"

Mark Driscoll comes close to this, as do many others; some more corrupt.

These are real issues; real animals who devour the simple and young. There is error, and in these last days, a flood of error that the bible says will cause a "GREAT FALLING AWAY."

THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS WE SHOULD DO! CONTEND! If your led to devotions, then do so, but please don't whine against others who are fulfilling the word to stand and contend against the evil one and his deceived ones.

Enjoy your devotions. The thread itself is about our opinions and counsel in this exact matter.

i'm on a steep learning curve about those who claim to follow Christ.

i read posts like yours, just full of venom, sarcasm, such as

I'm really glad that all you desire to do is find:

"His Warmth, His Love, My Father"... [and] everything else is just wearisome." Nathan4Jesus

THATS GOOD. but that, and only that,is not the entire gospel.

you're NOT glad that's What i desire, and you DONT think "that's good", those are just sarcastic rhetorical buttons.

do you think me stupid?

some of what you wrote to me, just stinks to high heaven of everything foul nesting in the human heart, such as this close to your post:

If your led to devotions, then do so, but please don't whine against others who are fulfilling the word to stand and contend against the evil one and his deceived ones.

Enjoy your devotions.

God have mercy on your soul Tom, coz i think the devil has you by the scruff of the neck, writing garbage like that to me.

you should be ashamed of yourself.

But you know what Tom? God is good, because He is showing me, the LESS i write on these forums, the more time i have for devotions....and yes, thank you devil, i WILL enjoy my devotions.

i was addressing that last to the devil, not you Tom. you were just being used by him.

Dear brother Neil,

Peace, in Jesus' name.

The men who were guarding the sheep by night are the ones our Father chose first to hear the announcement of His Son's birth. They were MEN, doing MEN's work.

No-one grudges you time in prayer and Bible study. It is you who seem to grudge the Lord His servants of a different calling.

Why take their singlemindedness about our Father's command upon their lives, and God-given concern for the whole Church, as a personal insult to you?

I'm not excusing anything which is genuinely serious enough to offend you, but just asking... was it ... really?

May the Lord bless you ABUNDANTLY today.

Tom and Neil, I know you both and love you both. You both have more in common than you have in disagreement.

That's a great article Lisa.

Do you know if Jacob talks about the Hebrew Roots Movement (Returning to our Jewish Roots). I scanned his website and did not see anything.

Update: I found something. Reading it now.
http://moriel.org/MorielArchive/index.php/discernment/ruckmanism/seduction-of-the-hebrew-root-movement

"I'm on a steep learning curve about those who claim to follow Christ.

I read posts like yours, just full of venom, sarcasm, such as;
"I'm really glad that all you desire to do is find:

"His Warmth, His Love, My Father"... [and] everything else is just wearisome." Nathan4Jesus
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THATS GOOD. but that, and only that,is not the entire gospel."............Brothertom [original]

"You're NOT glad that's What i desire, and you DONT think "that's good", those are just sarcastic rhetorical buttons.

do you think me stupid?".......

[No, but defensive and angry...over what?]..Tom

"Some of what you wrote to me, just stinks to high heaven of everything foul nesting in the human heart, such as this close to your post:"..

[ Everything foul?"]...Tom

"If your led to devotions, then do so, but please don't whine against others who are fulfilling the word to stand and contend against the evil one and his deceived ones."
"Enjoy your devotions."..Tom original......

"God have mercy on your soul Tom, coz i think the devil has you by the scruff of the neck, writing garbage like that to me.'
"You should be ashamed of yourself."

But you know what Tom? God is good, because He is showing me, the LESS i write on these forums, the more time i have for devotions....and yes, thank you devil, i WILL enjoy my devotions.

i was addressing that last to the devil, not you Tom. you were just being used by him." Natan4Jesus..................................

"Do you think me stupid?" Nathan.........

Today,,,,,,[Well.. possibly a bit angry, and possibly enamored by your own sense of right. I just disagreed with your assessment. Why are you so angry?
...................This is my qoute...
30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

31 So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." ..................................KEEP WATCH OVER YOURSELVES AND THE FLOCK. "Proclaim the whole counsel of God!"

This is largely what this thread is about, and others like it.

Do you think that after 3 years, day and night, that Paul may have become weary? I think so. But yet, he never stopped warning, and exposing.

This thread is a question about exactly that; whether the emergent, extreme grace gospel of Mark Driscoll is a valid path of the true gospel. If it is not, but error, then the souls of the naive might be captured, and end up in the eternal Lake of fire. Am I my brother's keeper?

I'm really glad that all you desire to do is find:

"His Warmth, His Love, My Father"... [and] everything else is just wearisome." Nathan4Jesus

THATS GOOD. but that, and only that,is not the entire gospel. Part of love is TO:

JUDE.. 3...
"contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints." [....See post 6 or 7 down....]

Is this wearisome? venomous? sarcastic?, stinking?..Used by the Devil?

sigh......As I said; enjoy your devotions. I sincerely hope you find Jesus in them.
Brothertom.

I was reading this from moriel.org website and you know what? It is straight-forward and the author actually listened to his messages and made a decision; which I can respect.

In my humble opinion, Jacob Prasch is one of the best Biblical expositors and teachers out there today. His discernment ministry is fantastic, and his end times teaching is quite interesting. I think most would do well to check his ministry out.

They even have quite a few of his sermons here on SermonIndex. Good stuff.