Job 1:8 - Show Context
Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?"
To me this is a man who is worth some honour get the fact that no human says that their is none on the earth like job. To me from this that Job would have to have some personal relationship with God
1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: 2 "Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge? 3 Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me.
4 "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, 7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8 "Or who shut in the sea with doors, When it burst forth and issued from the womb; 9 When I made the clouds its garment, And thick darkness its swaddling band; 10 When I fixed My limit for it, And set bars and doors; 11 When I said, 'This far you may come, but no farther, And here your proud waves must stop!'
12 "Have you commanded the morning since your days began, And caused the dawn to know its place, 13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, And the wicked be shaken out of it? 14 It takes on form like clay under a seal, And stands out like a garment. 15 From the wicked their light is withheld, And the upraised arm is broken. 16 "Have you entered the springs of the sea? Or have you walked in search of the depths? 17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you? Or have you seen the doors of the shadow of death? 18 Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth? Tell Me, if you know all this. 19 "Where is the way to the dwelling of light? And darkness, where is its place, 20 That you may take it to its territory, That you may know the paths to its home? 21 Do you know it, because you were born then, Or because the number of your days is great? 22 "Have you entered the treasury of snow, Or have you seen the treasury of hail, 23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble, For the day of battle and war? 24 By what way is light diffused, Or the east wind scattered over the earth?
25 "Who has divided a channel for the overflowing water, Or a path for the thunderbolt, 26 To cause it to rain on a land where there is no one, A wilderness in which there is no man; 27 To satisfy the desolate waste, And cause to spring forth the growth of tender grass? 28 Has the rain a father? Or who has begotten the drops of dew? 29 From whose womb comes the ice? And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth? 30 The waters harden like stone, And the surface of the deep is frozen. 31 "Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, Or loose the belt of Orion? 32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth F56 in its season? Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs? 33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you set their dominion over the earth? 34 "Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, That an abundance of water may cover you? 35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go, And say to you, 'Here we are!'? 36 Who has put wisdom in the mind? F57 Or who has given understanding to the heart? 37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom? Or who can pour out the bottles of heaven, 38 When the dust hardens in clumps, And the clods cling together? 39 "Can you hunt the prey for the lion, Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions, 40 When they crouch in their dens, Or lurk in their lairs to lie in wait? 41 Who provides food for the raven, When its young ones cry to God, And wander about for lack of food?
Would God show up to someone like Job if he did not know them personally
A quote from James
James 5:11
Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord--that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful.
It is abit hard to argue with someone who has been face to face with the most hight god such as Moses did. Job did not see his face but to have an experience like that changes you forever.
Seeing God face to face namely jesus as he is the
Col 2:9 - Show Context
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Col 1:15 - Show Context
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Mt 5:8 - Show Context
Blessed are the pure in heart, For they shall see God.
Like Job I would love it if God said the same thing that he said about job about me.
To me the question is not whether he is born again or not is whether you have a personal relationship with God the same way job did that Satan would actually want to put you through the same thing Job did.
Ac 19:15 - Show Context
And the evil spirit answered and said, "Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?"
Does the devil and God know who you are? I have always wanted to be on the devils most wanted list? Even thou my life is a mess and I am about as far away as the furthest galaxy which is something like cornex.
Job 1
4 And his sons would go and feast in their houses, each on his appointed day, and would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 So it was, when the days of feasting had run their course, that Job would send and sanctify them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, "It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed F1 God in their hearts." Thus Job did regularly.
Consider that the offerings were yet a shadow of the future things yet to come
Heb 10:1 - Show Context
For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
In his offerings this would be a shadow of the cross and the future things yet to come. To me it is not the question as to ask whether job was saved as he would not have known that term as god had not yet revealed it
A quote from Jesus
Joh 8:56 - Show Context
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."
Is it possible that job saw aswell as Abraham, your father Abraham rejoiced to see my Day
(that is in the past tense) and he saw (present tense) and was glad (present tense)
This shows that the heavenly realm can see what is going on down here.
Mark 12
25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 26 But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? F57 27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken."
This shows us another thing that god is a god of the living and not the dead.
We have to assume that Job would have known about salvation in a shadow kind of sense but to me desiring that relationship with God like Moses had and lIke samuel had in which one word did not fall to the ground and Moses who saw god face to face.
TO me this is not a debate, do you have a relationship with god like Job who in the midst of terrible suffering rejoiced in his saviour and who understood the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away blessed be his glorius name.
Is this worth the debate
