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BrianPaul

I was watching the news a few minutes ago and heard the California Supreme Court has overturned the ban on gay-marriage. Here is a article i found for you all to read about this if you haven't already heard. This is breaking news, as of today. This has made me angry, but also at the same time i see my God in Heaven being Sovereign over all things. Hopefully this country will rise to see how far we have stumbled from the decrees of the King of kings.

[url=http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9269719]www.mercurynews.com[/url]

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We need to pray for the brothers and sisters in California. Hopefully God will convict many and they will throw those ungodly judges out when they get revived. If not, God could break California off in the ocean. Notice I said God could, not would. Not making a Hagee prophecy statement now. I repeat not making a prophecy statement or even wishful thinking. The first scenario would be the blessing on the people being revived and the judges reversing their decision or the people throwing them out of the judgeship, judge with the little j.
There is a righteous remant in California that maybe saving them now.

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things that irritate me the most.

1.liberal judges
2.People who elect people who appoint liberal judges by their ignorance.
3.people who think earn their salvation than being rather thankful for it.
4.cats
5.Bentley

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Forgiven2001

mate its A sign of the times , as we are in the time of the signs its GODS plan being worked out before judgement the rise of sexual sins of the flesh are God giving man over to his lusts as in the days of Noah,I live in Northern Ireland we have more churches per head of population than anywhere in the world and same sex marriages were legalized almost two years ago its sad but we know the back of the book (Bible) and THE LORD will have the victory Praise Him

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Forgiven2001 wrote:
mate its A sign of the times , as we are in the time of the signs its GODS plan being worked out before judgement the rise of sexual sins of the flesh are God giving man over to his lusts as in the days of Noah,I live in Northern Ireland we have more churches per head of population than anywhere in the world and same sex marriages were legalized almost two years ago its sad but we know the back of the book (Bible) and THE LORD will have the victory Praise Him

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Amen on us having the victory in JESUS. I believe this is also a idea time to show honor and glory to the KING, as we " STAND IN THE GAP for hIS righteousness. He says, in His word, I'm sure you have it in your heart so I won't find it, I look for a man to stand in the gap and I found none. He found one, "Jesus" stood in the gap for us while we were yet sinners. He enables us to stand in the gap now for His precepts. It is not a burden but a priviledge to do. Thanks for reminding me and others THAT we have the victory through Jesus. We need to encourage each other all the more as we see the day approaching.
Praise HIM with our honor to HIM by our allegiance and our actions. We can't repay HIM and what we can do is very little for what He done. I pray for you brother, and I pray for Northern Ireland. May God help us all in this wicked and adulterous generation. Ireland is where my ancestor come from. The first 2 letters of my last name is Mc


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We reap what we sow, We have pumped homosexuality into our children by the thousands of hours by tv,magazines and music and the rest. Along with every other sin and wile thing there is.

So this is just natural these things happend. When sowing apples we must be stupid expecting tomatoes.

We have sown sin and will reap judgement

It will only get worse and worse just as the word has told us.

but a few will belive and repent.

Let us work while it is day still

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hmmhmm wrote:
We reap what we sow, We have pumped homosexuality into our children by the thousands of hours by tv,magazines and music and the rest. Along with every other sin and wile thing there is.

So this is just natural these things happend. When sowing apples we must be stupid expecting tomatoes.

We have sown sin and will reap judgement

It will only get worse and worse just as the word has told us.

but a few will belive and repent.

Let us work while it is day still


WE, I hope you haven't included me in that WE.
There is some that are not catagorized in the WE.
the liberals and the ones that support liberals are WE-S.
I think you can include those that are not fighting against such in the WE CATAGORY. No offense brother just spEAKking truth. I hope you ain't a WE EITHER.

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We reap what we sow

Judgement is coming. We are just storing up until that day.

Sin upon sin.

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sermonindex wrote:
We reap what we sow

Judgement is coming. We are just storing up until that day.

Sin upon sin.

Amen judgement is coming on the unrighteous, the ones who are not saved by the blood of Jesus

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Great ...

This is actually from my home town newspaper, one that I long ago quit subscribing to for a variety of reasons, primarily as a waste of money not being read ... it has it's tendencies at times, it's particular bent.

However,

If you read through the article, take note that this is far from over. The voters will have their say come November, as it should be and as it was before this usurping.

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It is a sad day for this country, for heterosexual families and marriages, for children who will now ask "why are they so difference". Judgement rains on the just as well as the unjust....


Brothers and sisters please, lets keep on crying with strong tears as did Christ for the glory of God, lest we continue to decay and have to continue to suffer with catastrophe and pain such as Katrina, Myanmar, and even China......

Pray Saints, this is not a task for the faint at heart....this is a sad, a very sad day

In our Jesus' name

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It'll be interesting to see what the governor will do. He is opposed to it. He also was very strong in supporting parents who home-schooled and helped settle that situation.

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lovejt wrote:
It'll be interesting to see what the governor will do. He is opposed to it. He also was very strong in supporting parents who home-schooled and helped settle that situation.

Are you talking about Gov "I'll be back" He is about as liberal as they come. He would make a good running mate for Obama.

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All politicians are in Gods hands, we should be building Gods kingdom and not be so worried about these earthly kingdoms.

Scripture says honor the emperor, not to elect them , vote for them or support them.

Our governments are abominations before God and we should not be involved.

They are opposed to God and his standards, and we need never worrie about who leads the nation, god has everything in control. so says scripture


Dan 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.


so we can relax, knowing even the most ungodly government is allowed to rule because god has put them there. And he will work all according to his purposes.

So there is no need for us to be concerned about elections and so on, they wont change Gods eternal plans .

we live by faith in God and trust him for everything.

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hmmhmm wrote:
All politicians are in Gods hands, we should be building Gods kingdom and not be so worried about these earthly kingdoms.

They are opposed to God and his standards, and we need never worrie about who leads the nation, god has everything in control. so says scripture

So there is no need for us to be concerned about elections and so on, they wont change Gods eternal plans .

we live by faith in God and trust him for everything.

Does God care who we choose? Would he be pleased if we choose one who did not honor Him?

Man just think instead of choosing Joshua, what if the Isrealites could have chosen one of those who guys who went with Joshua and Caleb to spy out the land. The ones that we look like grasshoppers, maybe we should just stay here and mind our own business and make friends with them even though they serve other Gods. What if, instead of chosing Joshua they would have chosen a man who said, I don't care what God says, all Gods are the same, let's go by and do what seems right in our eyes. They would have never got to the land of milk and honey and you know the rest of the story on what a blessing the whole world would have missed.
Yea what a Christian attitude. It may sound honest and lovely but is it?
Wake Christians, God gave you scripture and a brain.

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so if i or you or even all christianity dont vote for God defying, God hating politicians, Gods eternal purposes will fail and no single christian will enter into the promise land?


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Is that your theology. I didn't write that, you did. I'll draw you a picture. God's eternal plan will play out, everyone that has trusted Christ alone and made him both Lord and Savior will be saved, but each one who is saved will give an account of what He has done. To know to do good and do it not is a sin. My one vote may not make a drop in the bucket but at least I can stand before the Lord both now and then and say Lord I tried. I STOOD FOR YOU AND THOSE WHO STOOD FOR YOU AND CALLED OTHERS UNTO YOU.
Do I need to draw any further pictures

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so all other christians who dont vote for who ever you are voting for is sinning?

Who should christians vote for in your opinion?

I dont know one in American elections, not in swedish either, even the so called Christian candidates wont do so much to change the nations.

Whitch one of American candidates holds a bible and says this is what we will follow if you elect me.

I dont see how it is good to vote, when there is no clear biblical candidate, and i meen everything.

One who satnds up for the bible and Gods view on things, not on some but all.

until then i would see it as a sin to vote for someone who allows same sexmarrige, abortion, wars, and so on and on.

this of course is my view and theology, i can respect you for yours brother.

But i fail to see how you reason

I try follow Jesus, he dident tell us to do these things brother, he dident start a group to try vote away the evil high priest or a political party against Cesar. To try to get about a change.

I dont vote, because i belive all that are available in my country stand for the opposite of what the sum of the Word of God teaches.

And i dont want to be supporter of such things.

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Unfortunately all the candidates are God-defying, God-denying, whatever else you can think of... This is the worst batch of candidates in the history of America, I think.

I didnt think it could get much worse than Al Gore... but Washington has proven me wrong yet again.

Krispy

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[url=http://www.bibleviews.com/Schleitheim-JCWenger.html#four]From the The Schleitheim Confession of Faith[/url]


4. Seperation from Abomination

Fourth. We are agreed [as follows] on separation: A separation shall be made from the evil and from the wickedness which the devil planted in the world; in this manner, simply that we shall not have fellowship with them [the wicked] and not run with them in the multitude of their abominations. This is the way it is: Since all who do not walk in the obedience of faith, and have not united themselves with God so that they wish to do His will, are a great abomination before God, it is not possible for anything to grow or issue from them except abominable things. For truly all creatures are in but two classes, good and bad, believing and unbelieving, darkness and light, the world and those who [have come] out of the world, God's temple and idols, Christ and Belial; and none can have part with the other.

To us then the command of the Lord is clear when He calls upon us to be separate from the evil and thus He will be our God and we shall be His sons and daughters.

He further admonishes us to withdraw from Babylon and the earthly Egypt that we may not be partakers of the pain and suffering which the Lord will bring upon them.

From this we should learn that everything which is not united with our God and Christ cannot be other than an abomination which we should shun and flee from. By this is meant all popish and antipopish works and church services, meetings and church attendance,* drinking houses, civic affairs, the commitments [made in] unbelief and other things of that kind, which are highly regarded by the world and yet are carried on in flat contradiction to the command of God, in accordance with all the unrighteouness which is in the world. From all these things we shall be separated and have no part with them for they are nothing but an abomination, and they are the cause of our being hated before our Christ Jesus, Who has set us free from the slavery of the flesh and fitted us for the service of God through the Spirit Whom He has given us.

Therefore there will also unquestionably fall from us the unchristian, devilish weapons of force -- such as sword, armor and the like, and all their use [either] for friends or against one's enemies I would like the records -- by virtue of the word of Christ, Resist not [him that is] evil.


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guuys , I do not think it about liberals and democrats that dictate morality, these two parties both create horrible politics and policy.

It is about the hearts of Christians, we have not taken our stand.

If u compare these times to those of scripture, God's remnant, His prophets and Apostles are the one in which spread good news and conviction to the leaders and powers that be.

This isnt about Obama or Mccain, this is about a Godless nation, we must hold ourselves, if we call ourselves the "eclesia", the called out ones, the ones who stand for righteousness, than WE must hold our selves Accountable!

Again, let us sincerely fast and pray like our predecessors between the porch and the altar, I firmly believe God will hear us.

If HE can find one who cries out, I believe He will aid us! This is not CRAP!!!!!!

HE will come to the rescue of not only this nation but others, it is one main method in which HIS love is measured through us.

Lets get off this board for a few days at a time or weeks and humbly sit between the porch and the altar and just cry. I am just asking, not ranting, not calling anyone out, just a Strong recommendation...

Love u bros

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hmmhmm wrote:
so all other christians who dont vote for who ever you are voting for is sinning?

[b][i]I wish you would quit quoting something I did not say.[/b][/i]

Who should christians vote for in your opinion?

[b][i]Each one of us as Krispy said yesterday, Christians should not be required to be told that, they should know. As Paul said we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling, not work for our salvation. I'm glad you responded because I had more to add to my last post. When we stand before God and give an account, He won't have to ask us who we voted for, he already knows. The poll may be private and no one sees your vote but He does. If a person thinks he can vote for that guy that promises to fill his pocket book and not stand for His principles, God knows the motives and the intents of the heart and you know He does. Choose you this Day my friend.[/b][/i]

I dont know one in American elections, not in swedish either, even the so called Christian candidates wont do so much to change the nations.

[b][i]So I guess if we elected the devil himself as a president, God would be ok with that and say well done good and faithful servant. We may do that this time with the attitude many Chrsitians have.[/i][/b]

Whitch one of American candidates holds a bible and says this is what we will follow if you elect me.

[b][i]We hold to the Bible truths and stand as close to what He says as He gives us the power to do. We are not responsible for any power other than what He has given us, but we do have one vote. We use what He gives us. If we don't do this, then remember the good and the bad stewards parable[/i][/b]

I dont see how it is good to vote, when there is no clear biblical candidate, and i meen everything.

[b][i]So you are saying no stance for righteousness is good right, if we can't have the Apostle Paul for President. If I can't elect the Apostle Paul, Judas will work.[/i][/b]

One who satnds up for the bible and Gods view on things, not on some but all.

[b][i]I don't think any of us stand in any perfection, even the President, other than that which Chrsit gives and He certainly honors any effort in standing for things that are pleasing to Him, that is proven in history by the blessings that America has received in the past.[/i][/b]

until then i would see it as a sin to vote for someone who allows same sexmarrige, abortion, wars, and so on and on.

[b][i]One thing for sure brother, don't worry about what I say, you need only to worry about what God says to you. If He tells you to vote for one who says there are many ways to God, go for it. If He says don't vote, I would advise you, don't vote. [/i][/b]

this of course is my view and theology, i can respect you for yours brother.

[b][i]No sir this is not my view or theology, you know whose theology it is.[/i][/b]

But i fail to see how you reason

[b][i]Many people fail to see the reasoning, narrow is the way, and many do what they think is right in their own eyes.[/i][/b]

I try follow Jesus, he dident tell us to do these things brother, he dident start a group to try vote away the evil high priest or a political party against Cesar. To try to get about a change.

[b][i]He said to give Cesear what is Cesears and give God what's Gods and if God doesn't deserve us to honor Him enough to to do our dead level best to pick someone who beleives in HIM, go read the scripture again brother.[/i][/b]

I dont vote, because i belive all that are available in my country stand for the opposite of what the sum of the Word of God teaches.

[b][i]If you feel comfortable not voting, then don't vote. That's the beauty of the freedom we have for people in voting in the past and trusting God, He has given you the freedom not to vote if you so choose. Just let the liberals vote for you and choose you will lead you. They got enough ambition to go vote. Maybe you will get Judas, many deserve judas by there silence and inactivity[/i][/b]

And i dont want to be supporter of such things.

[b][i]Unfortunately many feel the way you do, that' s why we are in the mess we are in with liberalism.[/i][/b]


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Hey brother Moe MAC,

that is just it, we wont have a candidate that is on fire for God, who will stand for all of the glory of God, HEck, we barely stand faithful for the whole glory and majesty of God.

I say that as pertaining to the condition of the North American Church as well as the world wide body.

Lets just hope and pray that God will tell the liberal or conservative period, that HE needs to fall b4 God and pray, and to set this whole nation in that same way.

Bro,I believe God wants His body to show up in prayer and worship on behalf of the people, not a Nation of people per-say. Not saying that the nation should not conform!

All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned everyone of us to OUR own way......


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we seem to be missing what the other one is saying.

I am sorry if i quoted things you dident say, sometimes what we dont say speak louder then what we say.

I may have misunderstand what you said, and dident say.

I strongly disagree with you, I interpret scripture different from you.

I will ask God to show if i am wrong and to keep me humble to realize if i am wrong.


Thank you for your patience with me, i will withdraw from this discussion brother. I feel i dont edify the readers by continue this


May his peace overflow in your heart brother.


Christian


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No problem brother. I respect that descision and I enjoyed the discussion and I am not offended by your comments or withdrawal.
As I said we all must search and go with what God is saying to us.
God Bless

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I will encourage everyone to listen to this sermon, I hope it will challenge and bless you [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=16164]A Holy Nation by Dean Taylor[/url]

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It sure it is a well given sermon. We can also read and study our Bibles and the get the Holy Nation message first hand without a spin, if the message might possible have one. I have no idea what the sermon is or if it has a spin, I might agree or might not, but I do know I can agree with His Word.
Thanks
I say this in view of the recent discussion of this thread. If I'm off base forgive me.
John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
KJV

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Well it deals well with the two kingdoms, Gods and this worlds and says what scripture clearly teaches and Jesus taught.

That our kingdom is not of this world, and any good soldier dont get tangled up in this worlds affairs.

Politics or otherwise.

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hmmhmm wrote:
Well it deals well with the two kingdoms, Gods and this worlds and says what scripture clearly teaches and Jesus taught.

That our kingdom is not of this world, and any good soldier dont get tangled up in this worlds affairs.


Politics or otherwise.


Kinda figured that, discernment I guess. One of most misused passages in the Bible. One entangles himself in the affairs of this world when he lives like the devil and don't stand for righteousness. If one discerns how he can please his master he is going to be salt and light in the midst and a wicked and perverse generation. Light don't hide and salt don't preserve unless it gets on something.
2 Tim 2:15
2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
KJV

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great post HMMMMM,
Christ' Kingdom and the kingdom that we are apart of is NOT of this World.


We r of God's world, Heaven!
We should be thus minded, politics and Christianity, as much as we want it to be is not part of that Kingdom, now, Christians or leaders that are Godly such as the relationship of Uzziah and Isaiah can conexist and be a great blessing, but when Uzziah messed up, Isaiah wept and cried and pained deeply for the lost of Uzziah because he did do well by God for many years.....

Christianity is a bit different also, were are the "eclesia", the caled out ones, and we must live as such and search for God like HE is our only ONE!


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ejg wrote:
great post HMMMMM,
Christ' Kingdom and the kingdom that we are apart of is NOT of this World.


We r of God's world, Heaven!
We should be thus minded, politics and Christianity, as much as we want it to be is not part of that Kingdom, now, Christians or leaders that are Godly such as the relationship of Uzziah and Isaiah can conexist and be a great blessing, but when Uzziah messed up, Isaiah wept and cried and pained deeply for the lost of Uzziah because he did do well by God for many years.....

Christianity is a bit different also, were are the "eclesia", the caled out ones, and we must live as such and search for God like HE is our only ONE!



I got news for you brother you are in the world since you haven't been glorified in got to heaven yet. We are not suppose of the world but in the world, if you join em you of the world. By your silence you can join em. Well....I guess I should only speak for myself, I'm not of this world, but still here in it. You may be right though about yourself and others, some may as well not be not in the world for all the good they are doing toward being salt and light for God's purpose..

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Hey MoeMAc,

I understand what ur saying, I am merely clarifying how I truly feel.

The world doesnt except our stand nor the ONE in which we stand for.

Yes, I m very much in this World, but I am NOT of this World, and I boast in Christ for that, MY life or OUR lives are HID with God in Christ....

Appreciate cha MOE

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ejg wrote:
Hey MoeMAc,

I understand what ur saying, I am merely clarifying how I truly feel.

The world doesnt except our stand nor the ONE in which we stand for.

Yes, I m very much in this World, but I am NOT of this World, and I boast in Christ for that, MY life or OUR lives are HID with God in Christ....

Appreciate cha MOE

No problem brother. Actually I'm a little encouraged by this. Maybe there are more Christians than I thought there were. They are just undercover.

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moe_mac wrote:

hmmhmm wrote:
Well it deals well with the two kingdoms, Gods and this worlds and says what scripture clearly teaches and Jesus taught.

That our kingdom is not of this world, and any good soldier dont get tangled up in this worlds affairs.


Politics or otherwise.


Kinda figured that, discernment I guess. One of most misused passages in the Bible. One entangles himself in the affairs of this world when he lives like the devil and don't stand for righteousness. If one discerns how he can please his master he is going to be salt and light in the midst and a wicked and perverse generation. Light don't hide and salt don't preserve unless it gets on something.
2 Tim 2:15
2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
KJV


Discerment or your opinion on ones ivolvement in politics?

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I was a Californian for 40 years, so I have to ask my former fellow citizens: Are you going to sit by and do nothing while four black-robed despots take away your right to govern yourselves?


By one vote, the California Supreme Court on Thursday rejected the expressed will of Californians to limit marriage to a man and a woman.

In 2000, a 61.4 percent majority of Californians passed Proposition 22, which limited marriage to a man and a woman and precluded California's recognition of same-sex "marriages" consummated elsewhere. In a decision derided by a dissenting California justice as "legal jujitsu," the Supreme Court majority held that the ban on same-sex marriage is an infringement of the fundamental state constitutional right to marry.

California is now the second state after Massachusetts where homosexuals will be allowed to "marry." But unlike Massachusetts, California has no law that prohibits homosexual couples living in states that don't recognize same-sex "marriage" from marrying in the Golden State. The California Supreme Court has opened the door to a legal battle royal across the nation. Homosexual couples will flock to California to marry, return to their home states, and file lawsuits to force the recognition of their Land of Fruits and Nuts marriages — and the destruction of the 1996 federal Defense of Marriage Act.

According to the California court majority, the state's same-sex marriage ban violates the equal protection clause of the California Constitution because it discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation, which the majority declared "a suspect classification" akin to race, sex and religion. In Re Marriage Cases, S147999.

The 4-3 decision, written by Chief Justice Ronald M. George, rules that even though California's domestic partnership (DP) laws give same-sex partners "all of the significant legal rights and obligations traditionally associated under state law with the institution of marriage," the DP scheme violates the California Constitution because of its "failure to designate the official relationship of same-sex couples as marriage." George writes:

In light of all of these circumstances, we conclude that retention of the traditional definition of marriage does not constitute a state interest sufficiently compelling, under the strict scrutiny equal protection standard, to justify withholding that status from same-sex couples. Accordingly, insofar as the provisions of sections 300 and 308.5 draw a distinction between opposite-sex couples and same-sex couples and exclude the latter from access to the designation of marriage, we conclude these statutes are unconstitutional.

The "proper remedy," according to the court, is "that the designation of marriage to a union 'between a man and a woman' is unconstitutional and must be stricken from the statute, and that the remaining statutory language must be understood as making the designation of marriage available both to opposite-sex and same-sex couples."

The court reversed the court of appeals and ordered it to issue "a writ of mandate directing the appropriate state officials to take all actions necessary to effectuate our ruling in this case so as to ensure that county clerks and other local officials throughout the state" issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

Justice Marvin R. Baxter, joined by Justice Ming W. Chin, called the ruling a "startling" act of "legal jujitsu" that "oversteps judicial power" in his concurring and dissenting opinion:

I cannot join the majority's holding that the California Constitution gives same-sex couples a right to marry. In reaching this decision, I believe, the majority violates the separation of powers, and thereby commits profound error. Only one other American state recognizes the right the majority announces today. So far, Congress, and virtually every court to consider the issue, has rejected it. Nothing in our Constitution, express or implicit, compels the majority's startling conclusion that the age-old understanding of marriage — an understanding recently confirmed by an initiative law — is no longer valid.

But a bare majority of this court, not satisfied with the pace of democratic change, now abruptly forestalls that process and substitutes, by judicial fiat, its own social policy views for those expressed by the People themselves. Undeterred by the strong weight of state and federal law and authority, the majority invents a new constitutional right, immune from the ordinary process of legislative consideration. The majority finds that our Constitution suddenly demands no less than a permanent redefinition of marriage, regardless of the popular will.

I cannot join this exercise in legal jujitsu, by which the Legislature's own weight is used against it to create a constitutional right from whole cloth, defeat the People's will, and invalidate a statute otherwise immune from legislative interference. Though the majority insists otherwise, its pronouncement seriously oversteps the judicial power.

Justice Carol A. Corrigan writes in her concurring and dissenting opinion:

The voters who passed Proposition 22 not long ago decided to keep the meaning of marriage as it has always been understood in California. The majority improperly infringes on the prerogative of the voters by overriding their decision. It does that which it acknowledges it should not do: it redefines marriage because it believes marriage should be redefined .... It justifies its decision by finding a constitutional infirmity where none exists.

As important as the institution of marriage is for society in general, and children in particular, there is far more at stake in this ruling. The question for Californians is:

Are you going surrender your sovereign right to rule yourselves to four black-robed despots who've ignored your will and perverted your constitution?

And for clergy in particular, are you going to lead your people in taking righteous action, or hide behind a "nonpolitical" pulpit while God's ordained and holy institution is profaned?

Although there is no relief available in federal court, and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has already announced he will do nothing to terminate the ruling, the people of California can still act. This November, Californians can vote for a constitutional amendment, The California Marriage Protection Act, that will prevent this ruling from being enforced.

Californians can also initiate a recall vote for George and his three cohorts, Joyce L. Kennard, Kathryn M. Werdegar and Carlos R. Moreno, and send them packing as they did to former California Supreme Court Chief Justice Rose Bird and company.

And finally, all Americans who respect the rule of law should demand that Congress pass a constitutional amendment preserving traditional marriage, and send it to the states for ratification. It's the only way to protect state sovereignty and the will of the people from judicial tyranny.

YOU THINK THESE JUDGES THAT VOTED TO ALLOW HOMOSEXUALS TO MARRY ARE REALLY JUST GOOD CHRISTIAN PEOPLE AND JUST NOT OF THIS WORLD ARE NOT ENTANGLING THEMSELVES IN THE AFFAIRS OF THIS WOLD..

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Hi hmmhmm…

Well it deals well with the two kingdoms, Gods and this worlds and says what scripture clearly teaches and Jesus taught.

That our kingdom is not of this world, and any good soldier dont get tangled up in this worlds affairs.

Politics or otherwise.


I have wrestled with this sort of question ever since becoming a believer. On the one hand, we know that we hold a primary citizenship in Heaven. But on the other hand, we live, work, eat and interact with the people of this world. We know that we should be free of Earthly entanglements, yet we know that Paul was able to use the most corrupt government on Earth’s legal system in order to skip out on a flogging, “appeal unto Caesar,” use the government’s “Roman roads,” and take the Gospel to Rome. Thus presents the conundrum: How much involvement in our government is too much?

Like it or not, each of us is involved in our government. Even the most separate sects (like the Amish) are forced to become involved through taxes, legal land deeds, required immunizations, etc… We all pay taxes (everything from sales taxes to income taxes), use government-built roads, and own cars that are required to be inspected and registered by the state. If we choose to drive, we are forced by law to have a driver’s license and insurance (in case of an accident). If we own a business, we have to have a business license. Many of us attend churches that are protected as “non-profit” organizations. This list could go on and on. It amounts to the accumulation of our involvement with the government.

Every now and then, I have heard believers who decry the evils of “entanglements in this world’s affairs.” Some say that believers should not vote. Some say that believers should not serve in the military. Some say that believers should not get involved in “the process.” And some claim that believers should refrain from any involvement whatsoever since our citizenship is located in Heaven.

Yet, like it or not, we are involved. If you are using the internet, you are taking part in a intergovernmental regulatory organization called ICANN. To travel overseas as a missionary, you must have a passport. If you eat a hamburger at McDonalds, you are eating beef that is regulated by the government.

I find it funny that those who claim to want complete and utter non-involvement in government affairs are quick to use the government when it comes to their advantage (or for the advantage of Christ). I know a preacher who is adamantly anti-involvement. Yet he testified about the “blessing” of having received his IRS stimulus rebate check last week. Again, I know guys who preach such non-involvement, yet they are quick to register their congregation as a IRS non-profit organization, and they make every effort to work the tax system to their advantage.

Is it hypocritical to complain about any involvement in the affairs of this world when we are undoubtedly involved in a far more comprehensive yet less obvious manner?

I must confess that I am ignorant of the system of government in the land that you dwell (Sweden). In the United States, our government consists of people. It is people chosen by the majority or plurality to represent other people. A vote is simply a voice. It doesn’t signify ALLEGIENCE to a particular candidate, party or even set of social views. Rather, it is simply voicing which direction to which you would like the nation, state, county, city or special district to move. If I vote for John McCain, it doesn’t mean that I have sold my soul to him, his party or the groups of individuals that constitute his party. Rather, it simply means that I think that he is the better of the two choices to serve as the Chief Executive of this nation.

I said this before, but it is worth mentioning again. My wife and I purchased a vehicle not long ago. After careful consideration, we purchased a Ford Escape. Why? It wasn’t that it was the best choice amongst all vehicles. It isn’t necessarily the safest model. It isn’t even the prettiest vehicle. But we considered our budget. We considered the cost of the Escape. We decided that this was the best vehicle for what we wanted with the budget that we have at this time in our lives. We would have preferred a BMW, Mercedes or Lexus SUV. However, we cannot afford such a vehicle at this time. And while the Ford Escape might not have been the best choice amongst all others, it represented the best of what we considered that our family needed.

When we choose to cast a vote – something that I prayerfully feel the liberty of Christ to do – we choose what we think is the best possible choice for the benefit of our family, neighbors, fellow believers and nation. If I choose a new mayor, it is only because I feel that he is the best possible candidate amongst the choices. The same is true with every choice…from choosing a pastor or a president. When all options are weighed, we choose (through prayer) the one that we feel is best for the needs of our family.

I do think that people often try to spiritualize every detail of our lives. As a young believer, I used to pray over which toothpaste to purchase. Nowadays, I usually choose the one that I feel is best from experience or my knowledge of toothpaste. The same is true with the men who endeavor to influence the laws of this land. This is still a nation and government of the people, for the people and by the people. If I severely disagree with the desire of a man who wants to promote something wicked like abortion or homosexuality through legislation – I choose to make my voice heard through my vote.

Our votes have a way of trickling down into even the smallest parts of our lives. If we vote for a candidate for the office of the President who is a social liberal activist, chances are that he will choose individuals in the courts (from the Federal Appeals Courts to the US Supreme Court) who agrees with his own particular views. That is why President Bush was able to nominate and install two conservative, anti-abortion men to the US Supreme Court. This November, South Dakota will likely vote on whether or not to make abortion illegal in that state. Likewise, the State of California is likely to appeal the ruling of the California Supreme Court that declared laws preventing homosexual “marriage” to be discriminatory. These things will likely be appealed to the US Supreme Court. If those cases were argued today, the outcome would likely be a 5-4 decision in favor of outlawing abortion and gay marriage.

I don’t mind that some people might not feel the liberty to get involved in such things. However, I do feel that liberty (no matter how much some want to “warn” me or “feel sorry” for me). Although I realize that my citizenship is in Heaven, I also have a temporary dual citizenship here on Earth. Like Paul, I might utilize the benefits of such a citizenship from time to time (such as voting) – especially to oversee the needs of my family and neighbors. I just hope that those who disapprove of such involvement will afford me the same grace for which I also afford them in such matters.

Since my wife, sister-in-law and I will be relocating to California later this year, we feel the near obligation to stand up to this sort of blantant activism. While those on the side of immorality (and even some in the Church) would prefer for us to remain quiet (at least, with the voice we are given through a vote), I feel that the situation merits a voice.

But if you feel that one shouldn't get involved, then by all means, do not do so. But for those who claim that voting is evidence of becoming "tangled" in the affairs of the world, then I recommend that they remove themselves from every area of world affairs. Don't pay your taxes. Don't accept a tax rebate. Don't apply for non-profit tax exemption. Don't get a driver's license. Don't complain if your city attempts to encroach upon your home in order to pave a new highway. Don't voice a complaint about other types of issues (like war). Don't use a bank. Don't complain about a proposal to raise the tax rate (even to 50%). Don't voice your concern when you see immorality peddled on the streets and on billboards. Etc... These are all acts that can be considered "worldly affairs."

Me? I choose to let my voice be heard -- both as a citizen of Heaven and a temporary citizen of this nation. I just care too much for those around me to do (or not do) otherwise. Yet I will respect those who do not feel such a liberty...and will use my voice to allow them to keep practicing it as they feel is best.

:-)

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hmmhmm

Hello brother Chris

I have read many post by you where you share what you believe. So i know some of your beliefs.

And yes we do need to live in this world eat, pay taxes and so on, and for your question how much involvement is too much?


I think where we start transgress Gods Word.
If they say pay this much tax we do, if they say you must do this with your cars then we do it, if they say you can only drive in so many miles on our roads we obey.

If they say all these kinds of stuff and laws we obey.

If they claim 70% taxes we pay.

Jesus told us to.

As for some examples Jesus said to us love our enemies, this is hard for example if you have an army, its hard loving someone while you kill them.

So for me voting for a government who actively makes war is to go against what Jesus taught.

But then to instead vote for someone who dont have this war mentality but makes abortion ok, that i believe is also against what the bible says.

so voting for someone like that is also wrong.

And since i cant find one single politician, Swedish or American that can qualify worthy of a believers vote i think they should not vote for wicked God opposing governments.

Then i know some argue and say what about this and what about that. What if government do this? or that? what will we do?

I personally believe God have all under control, the bible says he gives the nations to whom he will. Not who we vote for.

But if people want to vote and feel they need to of course do so.

But i cant understand how we can vote for the "best thing out there" even thou its wicked but not as wicked as the others.

I truly believe we should be as Daniels, he was in babylon, he worked what we would call in government. He dident do so by choice but God put him there. But he refused to become Babylonian, he stayed true to god.

We dont have such politicians today, they all bowed the knee to the golden statue.

And i have a sense voting is bowing the knee in some degree, but not sure yet.

I tank god we can talk about these things, may God show us all things.

Dan 4:17 'This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.'

Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:


I rejoice in there is no voting in heaven :-)


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hmmhmm wrote:
Hello brother Chris


I rejoice in there is no voting in heaven :-)


I REJOICE THERE IS NO VOTING IN HEAVEN AS WELL. IF THERE WERE MANY CHRISTIANS ARE SO IGNORANT IN THE THE WORD THEY WOULD TRY TO VOTE JESUS OUT AS KING.

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