sonofadam777
Is this true about Ray Comfort?
http://www.apprising.org/archives/2008/07/on_ray_comfort.html
http://www.apprising.org/archives/2008/07/ray_comfort_to.html
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RAY COMFORT TO SPEAK WITH WORD OF FAITH HERETICS, AGAIN
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sonofadam777
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It's disappointing, and we should pray for him that God would give Him wisdom and insight into this matter.
At the same time, it does not in any way negate what he teaches concering evangelism. In every way he is right on the money when it comes to leading others to Christ.
Krispy
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enid
Krispy,
'...right on the money...'
Are you sure there was no pun intended there?
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sermonindex
lol... not intentionally, but now that you mentioned it...!
See, I'm witty even when I'm not trying to be!
Krispy
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sermonindex
If I got invited to speak at the event and God told me to go I would go! I would speak forth the words God gives me.
Ray Comfort I believe is being obedient to God in this. I trust his integrity and wisdom, I got to spend a hour with him once and I sensed his wisdom with his mouth the way he used words. I don't believe he would do something on a whim or worse yet just for money.
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sermonindex wrote:
If I got invited to speak at the event and God told me to go I would go! I would speak forth the words God gives me.Ray Comfort I believe is being obedient to God in this. I trust his integrity and wisdom, I got to spend a hour with him once and I sensed his wisdom with his mouth the way he used words. I don't believe he would do something on a whim or worse yet just for money.
Amen...I agree completely.
I think Ray has a proven track record. I may be ignorant on this, but I thought Ray has been preaching a firm Gospel Truth for many years. He has an opportunity to preach the truth to many people who probably have never heard it!
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Ray Comfort I believe is being obedient to God in this. I trust his integrity and wisdom, I got to spend a hour with him once and I sensed his wisdom with his mouth the way he used words. I don't believe he would do something on a whim or worse yet just for money.
My response to the money crack was not meant to cast a bad light on Ray. On the other thread concerning his public statement I said basically the same thing you said here, Greg.
After reading his statement I am satisfied that he is going into all the world to preach the gospel.
Krispy
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Here is the other thread that contains the statement from Ray.
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warriorofgod
Where was this thread published other than Sermonindex.net?
Is there a link that we can go to to verify this letter?
i love Ray, I hate lies. Not to say that your lying, but I am calling you out on this letter.
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i love Ray, I hate lies. Not to say that your lying, but I am calling you out on this letter.
What is this about??? I think we should hesitate long and hard before we insinuate... or even suggest... that someone is lying. Especially a brother or sister on this forum.
I think the attitude that is coming thru in your post is uncalled for.
Verify the letter if you want to. But hold off on cloaked accusations.
Krispy
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warriorofgod
Thank you for answering my question.
I do have one more. Why isn't this published with a formal Livingwaters letter? Does anyone remember when Livingwaters stepped away from Christian Global network people? Was not the letter done in a formal way with at least a symbol to represent the organization?
Who is starting this mess anyway?
Notice the letter Starts off by saying "Dear Brother and sister". That means it was to be read to a public audience, not a private one. Why aren't there validating links to this letter (from the original source) that show that Ray indeed wrote this letter? Why are these people on these websites the only one on this, since this is such a big deal?
I am deeply concerned about whether or not the accusations or the letter is even true? Someone help answer ALL my questions...PLEASE!!!
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I'm confused... who are you calling a liar? The person who posted the letter/link... or the owner of the blog?
I think you need to take your question to the blogger who posted it on the internet. Asking your question here isnt going to solve anything. I dont know about anyone else, but I dont feel obliged to proove this to you one way or the other. I didnt post it. And if you dont get a satisfactory answer from the blogger and you feel that it's a fakery... contact Ray Comfort and let him know about it. He's not that hard to get ahold of.
Krispy
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Hi warriorofGod...
I understand your desire to validate this letter. Personally, I think that it reflects the nature of Ray Comfort's personality and beliefs as articulated through his messages. However, if you want to validate that letter, perhaps you could write to Living Waters Ministries? In fact, I think that one of the past moderators ("ForEvidence"?) used to (or perhaps still does) work for Living Waters.
Anyway, regardless of the final authenticity of the letter, I am glad that the points spelled out by it cause us to understand the possibility of a man to speak at a gathering where false doctrine is preached. After all, isn't this what Peter, Paul and even Jesus did on a regular basis? It isn't giving approval to their doctrinal views...any more than his presence would indicate that these prosperity preachers approve of Brother Ray's views.
The whole issue -- letter or no letter -- is all a bit silly (if you ask me). I wouldn't judge the man as the result of WHERE he preached. Rather, I would carefully weigh WHAT he preached when he was there.
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The whole issue -- letter or no letter -- is all a bit silly (if you ask me). I wouldn't judge the man as the result of WHERE he preached. Rather, I would carefully weigh WHAT he preached when he was there.
Thats an excellent point, bro. I know Christians (myself included) who have witnessed in bars... only to be condemned for even walking in a bar by fellow Christians.
If we wittle it down far enough... we wont preach the Word anywhere but behind the pulpit. And the last time I checked... the world isnt beating a path to the churches.
Krispy
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warriorofgod
Kritter,
Hold your horses! i wasn't calling you a liar. i just asked if you would validate the letter. Jeez. Chill out.
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crsschk
Hi Warrior,
Can vouch for this, received it via email the other day, unable to find it now but the original posted here has his email at the bottom, you could always write him for further verification.
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warriorofgod
thank you.
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Limey153
Thats an excellent point, bro. I know Christians (myself included) who have witnessed in bars... only to be condemned for even walking in a bar by fellow Christians.
Amen!! excellent point Krispy.
We should also remember that our precious Lord was also accused in much the same way. Despised for speaking to and indeed even eating with the sinners. I can completely see where our brother Ray Comfort is coming from on this matter, afterall do we think the the true word of God cannot prevail amongst the lies of the prosperity preachers? Surely not!! This is indeed where we NEED the true gospel preached!
This situation also speaks volumes regarding Rays caracter. After all, preaching what Ray preaches at events like this is likely to provoke anger from many people. It goes to show that he is not seeking to please men but intent on pleasing God only.
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Personally I wonder much about Slice of Laodicea, I believe Ingrid loves the Lord and her intentions mean well, but from my experience she can be pretty mean in her posts and one interview I heard her and Paul Washer. I think she can represent a Pharisaical attitude in her articles...a holier than though attitude. Know one can validate this letter, I mean its on the internet!!
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Hold your horses! i wasn't calling you a liar. i just asked if you would validate the letter. Jeez. Chill out.
I didnt think you were calling ME a liar... I didnt post the letter. But you were clearly insuating it about someone else, and I felt that even tho something like that should be validated, your response and demands seemed to be a bit over the top.
Krispy
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HomeFree89
Please tell me if I'm wrong, but didn't Moody speak in a Mormon "church"?
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Stumpy40
In reading the postings about Ray Comfort's attending these "conferences" (properity-based faith proponants)an important question must be asked.
When does our participation give credence or validity to the heresy such movements use to deceive the many?
I can't imagine Jesus or the Apostle Paul being invited back time and time again to "participate" in that which is heresy!
In fact the "magical stones" of the heretics weren't rubbed for promises of prosperity -- they were thrown at those who spoke the truth and pointed out those who taught such heresy!
It isnt a matter of Ray (Comfort) simply standing in open air and speaking the gospel .. he is "part of", "accepted by", "participating in" - the heretical practices of those who he should be justly pointing at as heretics through, "rightly dividing the word of truth"!
If one who claims to be a christian is so accepted by "the world", (even more, those heretical teachers) -- something is wrong!!!
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Stumpy40
About Slice of Laodicea ...
Let's not interpret "meanness" w/ "speaking truth". There is nothing wrong with healthy debate.
I would guess that Ingrid wouldn't say anything if she didnt - care. Sometimes "truth telling" isn't well accepted. But that shouldn't stop us from continually pointing out that which is unbiblical - whether it offends or not.
I admit, that at times the critique of non-truth isnt done with the grace and compassion we should all have - when pointing out biblical truths to those who dont want to hear it.
I will readily admit that I fail in the gracious delivery department at times. Often, it makes me sick and angry that folks (like those Ingrid points out) distort the truth, and bring disgrace to what Christ did for us on the cross.
Sometimes one feels like "flipping the money tables" in righteous anger .... not out of hate, but out of love for the God who gave His son to die for sinners like me, (and you!) ..... ;-)
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2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
Ac 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Ac 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Ac 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Ac 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Paul stated specifically not to keep company nor eat with anyone called a brother if he be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner.
In the writings and understanding of the apostle Paul how would he deal with this situation at hand?
I could be wrong but I really don’t think he would be having his picture taken neither would he be keeping company with any knowingly false teachers.
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Stumpy40
Amen brother ...
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sermonindex
Did you read Ray's response to all of this? I thought it was well thought out and made a lot of sense. He's not going with the intention of being in unity, but fully realizing that they ARE in error... and praying that his message there penetrates hearts and lives.
I dont know, but I think you're judging a man without knowing the facts. That is a sin too, ya know.
Krispy
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sonofadam777
any update on how this went for Ray?
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truther
Ray Comfort and John MacArthur are both heretics who teach damnable heresy concerning salvation! If you always believed that you must “make a life commitment to Christ” and “to stop sinning” as a prerequisite to come to Christ, you have believed a works gospel in disguise!
2 threads that expose and refute Lordship salvation, I recommend ALL read this!:
LS- http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?p=142135#post142135
LS part 2- http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?p=144140#post144140
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