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Who is the Great Pearl? Christ or We?

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roadsign

"The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it. Matt. 13: 44- 46

Who is the precious treasure in these two parables? Of course, we all assume that it is Jesus.

However, I have recently been challenged to rethink this assumption (which I will explain later). Could the treasure not possibly be souls for the kingdom, and the “man” be Christ? This would make sense in context of Matthew 13: The “man” in all the other parables is Christ: He is the sower of seed, he is the one who planted the mustard seed in the field; he is the harvester. Clearly Christ is the one doing the action and humans are the ones receiving the action. In the parable of the lost coin and the lost sheep, we see this emphasis again. We see it in many other scriptures:

"I have loved you with an everlasting love;
I have drawn you with unfailing kindness. Jer. 31:3

”I will search for the lost and bring back the strays. I will bind up the injured and strengthen the weak, but the sleek and the strong I will destroy.” Ezekiel 34:16

”Christ redeemed us… “ Gal. 3:13

“There is no one who seeks God … But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.”
Rom. 3:11,21

Interestingly the NIV, in a footnote, tries to cover over the obvious inconsistency that is created by the traditional view, saying, “Jesus did not imply that one can purchase the kingdom with money or good deeds.” I suggest that there would be no need to say those words if we consider that the word “purchase” refers to what CHRIST did. After all, he did purchase the Kingdom with his blood.

”And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God members of every tribe and language and people and nation. ” Rev. 5:9

So why do we not see these parables that way? Could it be because the natural human bent is to put ourselves in the “actor’s” role? We place much focus on what WE are to do regarding the role of salvation. After all, much of our Christian life is “we” focused rather than Christ-focused. So when the interpretation is not explicit, as in the case of these parables, we miss it – that is - if we look through natural self view.

What d’ya think? Go back and read the parables through this different "lens". Does it fit?

Diane

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Logic

roadsign wrote:
"The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it. Matt. 13: 44- 46

Who is the precious treasure in these two parables? Of course, we all assume that it is Jesus.

Outline of Mat.13:

1) The sower of seed: Mat 13:3-8, Mat.13:19-23 (Evangelistic)

2) Wheat & tares: Mat 13:25-30, Matthew 13:38-43 (apocalyptic)

3) The mustered sead: Mat 13:31-32 (reality of the Kingdom)

4) The woman and leven: Mat 13:33 (reality of the Kingdom)

5) A treasure hid in a field:
Mat 13:44 (Evangelistic)

6) the Pearl of great price:
Mat 13:45-46 (the effect of evangelizing)

7) The Dragnet: Mat 13:47-50 (Evangelistic Apocalyptic)

The field is the world and the hidden treasure are the souls of man, that man who sold everything to buy that field is the Christian that gives his life up for the Kingdom to preach the Gosple. (Evangelistic)

The Pearl of great price is about a man who is looking for the truth and when he found Jesus, who is the Truth, went and sold all that he had, and bought It. (the effect of evangelizing) Proverb 23:23 & Job 28:12 & Job 28:18 & Mat 7:6

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HeartSong

Christ through man is seeking to find Christ in man.
It is circular.

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DelightedInU

I've always believed that the treasure and the pearl both are us sinners and the man that sells everything is God who paid the price with His Son.

But now that I think about it, I think I've thought too that it is Christians that find the truth of God, Jesus, and give up everything to follow Christ, our treasure.

Yeah, I guess I've heard both views at different times and both make sense..... Interesting.

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sermonindex

Marvelous, Marvelous, Marvelous Diane. Absolutely....I see it! It is absolutely in keeping with the thought that the Gospel is God seeking sinners through His Word.

Clearly Christ is the one doing the action and humans are the ones receiving the action.

Absolutely...Hebrews even says as much...

Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear (Heb 12:28)


It is counter to our natural thinking (because of course we are fallen, and our minds need to be renewed) but it is True.

Thank you Diane, I cannot wait to go read the parables now in this light.

Michael (Mahoney)

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PaulWest

It is an interesting slant, if unconventional...but completely valid. I remember I was first alerted to this concept through a message by T Austin Sparks:

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=44]A Pearl of Great Price[/url]

Sparks expounds upon what Diane has brought up here in a most profound fashion: Christ being the man, the pearl being His church. Highly recommended.

Brother Paul

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tjservant

I like it. I like it a lot. Thanks for sharing this.

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roaringlamb

And to think the Lutherans have held this view for about 500 years now! ;-)

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sermonindex

I believe Christ is the man searching. We love Him because He first loved us. He gave ALL and shed His blood to purchase me when I didn't even know who He was. He found me when I wasn't even looking. Israel is His treasure and the Church is His Bride, represented by a pearl.

In the first parable, He is the one who discovers the treasure, which is Israel, Exodus 19:5. He hides it, then goes and sells all that He has (dies on the Cross) and purchases the field that the treasure is in, and thereby rightfully inherits the treasure. The field is the world -He purchased the whole world. But right now, during the age of grace, the treasure Israel is hidden in the midst of the world, hidden from salvation through their Messiah, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. He bought the whole world, but will one day soon unearth the treasure in that field and so "all Israel shall be saved" -Rom. 11:26.

The second (the pearl) is the Church. He doesn't hide it and then come back later for it, but buys it right away.

AW Pink has an excellent work on the parables of Matthew 13, and goes in depth into this view. You can read it here: http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Parables/parables.htm

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tjservant

We love Him because He first loved us. He gave ALL and shed His blood to purchase me when I didn't even know who He was. He found me when I wasn't even looking

Amen Brother!

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Logic

Josef_Urban wrote:
I believe Christ is the man searching.
Christ sends men out to the fields. Matthew 9:38 Pray you therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth laborers into his harvest.

However, this verse is speaking more of the treasure in the field.

The Great Pearl is about an unsaved man searching for truth and finds Christ in the process.

We love Him because He first loved us. He gave ALL and shed His blood to purchase me when I didn't even know who He was. He found me when I wasn't even looking. Israel is His treasure and the Church is His Bride, represented by a pearl.
Where in Scripture is the church described as a precious stone?

The Pearl must be the Truth(I am the truth, the light...ect...)
Proverb 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding
Mat 7:6b neither cast your pearls before swine.

In the first parable, He is the one who discovers the treasure, which is Israel , Exodus 19:5
Which it shouldn't be, but the souls of all men.
The whole Kingdom of God is not only Israel.
Furthermore, the church is the "Israel of God" Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.(Gal 3:7-9, Gal 3:29; Psalm 73:1; Isa_45:25; Hos 1:10; John 1:47; Rom 2:28-29,4:12,9:6-8, Phil 3:3, 1Pet 2:9)

He hides it
Question:
What's with the re-hiding(it was hidden, then hides it again)?
I just want to see what others say about it.

then goes and sells all that He has
Giving ones whole, entire life to "go and preach the gosple".
My friend has done this for Liberia, Africa(the field)

(dies on the Cross)
He who found the treasure(has a burden for a certain people) commits his area of evangelizing(a country or regin) to God in prayer(hides it again) to go and preach the Word of God.

The field is the world -He purchased the whole world.
What would be “the world”?
The souls in it or the Earth its self?

If it is the souls of man, He has not yet redeamed them all and only a few will be bought.
If it is the Earth its self, He already owns that, no need to buy it.

But right now, during the age of grace, the treasure Israel is hidden in the midst of the world, hidden from salvation through their Messiah, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. He bought the whole world, but will one day soon unearth the treasure in that field and so "all Israel shall be saved" -Rom. 11:26 . The second (the pearl) is the Church. He doesn't hide it and then come back later for it, but buys it right away.
Question:
Why doesn't he hide/re-hide the pearl while the treasure is hiden/re-hidden?

Matthew 19:21 go and sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.(Mark 10:21, Luk_18:22)

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roadsign

It is an interesting slant, if unconventional...but completely valid.

You have to wonder how this “slant” became “unconventional”. Maybe it’s because we so easily associate these parables with the incident where Jesus told the rich man to sell everything. However, that is a bad fit for these parables. For one thing, the rich man was not told to use his income to buy the Savior, No! No! In fact, that was the man’s hindrance! He was trying to figure out a way to earn his way to eternity – some effort.

I see that Matthew Henry explains the “conventional” view in great detail, so maybe indirectly many of us got it from him. Interestingly, bible commentarian, Verlyn Verbrugge believes that the pearl represents the Church, and Christ is the man. Verbrugge also points out that of all precious stones, only the pearl results from an injury done to a living organism (the oyster). Certainly the living Christ suffered at a great cost to purchase us.

I believe Christ is the man searching.

It looks like from the (great!) posts here that many see this latter view as the better fit. And, really, why would Jesus give a parable that explicitly suggests that a human BUY Christ? Has that not been the greatest hindrance to the gospel over the centuries: the belief that we have to earn salvation. Christ surely would not have put such an enormous stumbling block in our path!

Only yesterday did I hear this “new” view. (new for me) It was through a message by Jackie Pullinger – a lady whom the Lord has used mightily to reach drug addicts, gangsters, and prostitutes in the Walled City in Honk Hong. When these despicable illiterate youth find Christ, they are immediately filled with the Spirit. Jesus heals them from their addiction, and they pray and prophesy. They are full of joy because of what Christ has done for them by saving them even though they are the worst sinners of the world.

Jackie said, “I let THEM interpret the Word of God to me. They know nothing about the Bible, but the Spirit shows them. I have read these parables now to hundreds of new converts over the years. I ask them who the man is and who the pearl is. One hundred percent of the time they respond this way: ‘Oh, the precious pearl is me and the man is Christ.’”

Jackie then adds in her sermon: “You probably never thought it was that way because you didn’t get it from the Spirit, right? You heard it the other way from a man.

Well, for me, that’s true. In this case I choose to receive a word from these “hundreds of converted addicts”, rather than from the experts.

I cannot wait to go read the parables now in this light.

It’s so exciting and amazing! To think that Jesus views me as a treasure! The Kingdom of Heaven: Christ's precious redeemed ones found by him!

Here is the SI link for [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=117]Jackie Pullinger[/url] sermons. I highly recommend them - if you want a Holy Ghost blessing!

Diane

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roaringlamb

All of Scripture is a story of redemption. It all points to Christ, and not man. It is not man doing to gain, but God doing to provide for man.

Your starting point will determine your hermeneutic.

If man doing is your starting point, you will have difficulty with a Biblical view of grace presented throughout the Scriptures.

If on the other hand you use the view that Jesus Himself presented, you will see the grand and sweeping work of redemption that God has worked in Christ.

Just to provide some clues to how we should interpret Scripture look at Christ's words-

Luke 24:25 And he said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
Luke 24:26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?"
Luke 24:27 [b]And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.[/b]

John 5:39 You search [b]the Scriptures[/b] because you think that in them you have eternal life; and [b]it is they that bear witness about me,[/b]

Scripture is Christ centered.

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4givenchris

I too also agree that the Man searching is Christ Himself. If the man who sold all to purchase the field with the treasure (or Christ) were us, at first it might be a nice sentiment but not in terms of salvation because we cannot purchase Christ, or salvation - Jesus gave all to purchase us!

There is an interesting parallel in the OT story of Ruth and Boaz. Boaz being (a picture of Jesus), buying the field to get Ruth (the church).

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Logic

roadsign wrote:
It is an interesting slant, if unconventional...but completely valid.
You have to wonder how this “slant” became “unconventional”. Maybe it’s because we so easily associate these parables with the incident where Jesus told the rich man to sell everything. However, that is a bad fit for these parables. For one thing, the rich man was not told to use his income to buy the Savior, No! No! In fact, that was the man’s hindrance! He was trying to figure out a way to earn his way to eternity – some effort.
The rich man was told to sell his thing so that he could follow the Savior.

Furthermore, the Pear is not the Savior, but the truth of the Gosple.

I believe Christ is the man searching.
why would Jesus give a parable that explicitly suggests that a human BUY Christ?
Again, not buying Christ, but the truth(Prov 23:23, Mat 7:6b).

Christ surely would not have put such an enormous stumbling block in our path!
First of all, parables are not literal, not exact ways of reality.
One selling all he has to follow Christ as the rich young ruler is [b]LIKE[/b] someone buying the pearl. How can someone actualy buy the truth(and sell it not)?

Furthermore, why would Christ tell us that "the kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."

The leaven is variuos false doctrines, the "three measures of meal" are the basic true Doctrines of Christianity.

Why would Christ tell us that the kingdom of heaven is full of bad doctrines(leaven)?

Jackie then adds in her sermon: “You probably never thought it was that way because you didn’t get it from the Spirit, right? You heard it the other way from a man
No, I prayed and read it in context after years of studing and understanding the Word of God.

Did those new converts(novices 1Tim 3:6) first pray for the interp?
Are they actualy able to teach(2Tim 2:2)?

Where is it said to listen to new converts to understand the Word of God?

Just pray and ask God to reviel what they realy are of.
1) The sower of seed: Mat 13:3-8, Mat.13:19-23 (Evangelistic) Never is told who the sower is, but we know that man preaches the Gosple(sows the seed)
If it were God doing the sowing, He wouldn't sow were it wouldn't produce fruit more-less sow were devils would eat the seed.

2) Wheat & tares: Mat 13:25-30, Matthew 13:38-43 (apocalyptic)
God knows who is His, He divides at the end.

3) The mustered sead: Mat 13:31-32 (reality of the Kingdom)
mustered seads do not become trees.
This is telling us that the plant mutates into something that it shouldn't be.
The birds, as we learn are devils.
They nest in the "branches"
What are the branches in the Chruch?
Denominations!

4) The woman and leven: Mat 13:33 (reality of the Kingdom)
The leaven is variuos false doctrines, the "three measures of meal" are the basic true Doctrines of Christianity.

5) A treasure hid in a field:
Mat 13:44 (Evangelistic)
The Field is ripe for the harvest.
Pray the Lord of the harvest to send workers into the feild.
The field is the world and the hidden treasure are the souls of man who are in that feild, that man who sold everything to buy that field is the Christian that gives his life up for the Kingdom to preach the Gosple.
Furthermore, Jesus never sold anything, He gave it all up. We are never told in Scripture that Christ redeems a feild or a land.
But men go to lands to preach to the souls in the land.

6) the Pearl of great price:
Mat 13:45-46 (the effect of evangelizing)
The effect of evangelizing is the Truth being spread so that people searching for truth may find the Great Truth!
The Pearl of great price is about a man who is looking for the truth and when he found the Truth, went and sold all that he had, and bought It. Proverb 23:23 & Job 28:12 & Job 28:18 & Mat 7:6

7) Wheat and Tares explained (apocalyptic):

8) The Dragnet: Mat 13:47-50 (Apocalyptic)
God knows who is His, He divides at the end.

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Logic

roaringlamb wrote:

If man doing is your starting point, you will have difficulty with a Biblical view of grace presented throughout the Scriptures.

Man is not my starting point.
My starting point is what the Scripture is realy saying.
My starting point is the context of the passage.
My starting point is commone sense and reality.

Since my basic starting point is Scripture its self, the whole Scritpur; context, meaning, culture of the time, setting...ect..., I am able to see what it realy is saying with out a preconcieved mindset to obscure my view.

The sower of seed: My starting point is The seed(the Word)

2) Wheat & tares: It is not pointing to Christ as you would think and as you said, "It all points to Christ, and not man."

The mustered sead: Mat 13:31-32: is the Tree that it grows into.
Mustard is not from a tree.
It is not pointing to Christ as you would think and as you said, "It all points to Christ, and not man."


The woman and leven: Mat 13:33: My starting point is the woman.
What woman would bring in leaven?
Not the Church, but a harlot.
It is not pointing to Christ as you would think and as you said, "It all points to Christ, and not man."

A treasure hid in a field Mat 13:44: My starting point is a person who sold all he has for a tresure.
Christ never sold anythig to come as man, he [b]gave[/b] it all up.
We are suposed to go and preach the Gosple, How would we go to a far land without selling what we have to fund our evangelising?

the Pearl of great price: My starting point is what a pearl is.
Matthew 7:6 is about not offering our truths(the Gosple) to those violent and abusive people who would return to their own vomit and devalue that which we value; nor to those especially debased and utterly and shamelessly immoral people who would not perceive its value, would trample it down, and would abuse you.

Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

John 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,

Whats your point?

All of Scripture is a story of redemption.
True, so is my point of view.
The feild is the man selling all he has to preach the gopsple so that they whom he preaches to will recieve redemption.

The pearl of great price is about a man who buys the great Truth to be saved(1Tim 2:4).
Opposit of 2Thes 2:10

It all points to Christ, and not man.
My point of view is pointing to Christ and not man, but in a diferent way.

Actualy your view points to man as the goal.

Christ serching for man which is the treasure.
That is man centered.
The pearl being the church is man centered.

My view of the tresure in the feild is man doing somthing for the advancment of the Kingdom of Christ.

My view of the Pearl is man selling all for the Truth of the Gosple, which is about Christ. This is Christ centered.
This is Christ centered.

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sermonindex

"The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.

"Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it. Matt. 13: 44- 46


Who is the precious treasure in these two parables? Of course, we all assume that it is Jesus.

It is neither, though Jesus is the personification of it all. The Pearl, the Treasure is intimacy with the Father and all that it represents by union in Him. It is only open to the new born to undertake therefore it is not a picture of our salvation but of our completion in joint-heir-ship with Jesus; the result of our maturing unto son-ship in the Father. "Eye hasn't seen or ear heard nor has it entered into the heart of man what God has for those who love Him."

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roadsign

My starting point is commone sense and reality.

Whose reality?

:-o

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Logic

roadsign wrote:
My starting point is commone sense and reality.
Whose reality?

:-o

How many realities are there?

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sermonindex

What is the difference between reality and actuality? Shouldn't we all know and make the distinction between the two words? I believe I know and have struggled with those who don't reveal they know, who mis-read what I write as a result.

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Christinyou

The parable of the treasure and of the pearl go together. The Man in both is not the sinner who seeks a treasure and a pearl, who gives up all in order to get all. The Man is our Lord, who buys the field. He gave all He had to have the treasure (Israel) hid in the field, who sold all to have the one pearl of great price (the church).

In Christ: Phillip

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Logic

You have a man centerd view on these parables:
Man being the object of selling for and giving all up for.

The view that I present is Christ centered:
The christian selling all for the advancment of the Gosple and forsaken houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for HIS name's sake(Mat 19:29).
Sinners acknowleging the truth of the Gosple of Christ and obying Pro 23:23.

The Man in both is not the sinner who seeks a treasure
Nope, righr right on that one.
He is a christian, but the parable does not say that the man was seeking the tresure, he only found it, stumbeled upon it.

The man was seeking pearls though. Thjis one is the sinner glorifying Christ by acknowleging the Truth and selling all to buy it.

The Man is our Lord, who buys the field. He gave all He had to have the treasure (Israel) hid in the field, who sold all to have the one pearl of great price (the church).
Just keep your man centered view and I will glorify God with mine.

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rbanks

The reason the church world is not really having genuine revival is because it has no real view of the greatness of the glory of God and His Christ.

Most of the preaching today is man centered instead of Christ centered. We are not to preach to please men but God. We are to hold Christ in greater esteem than man. Is not this what we are all striving on here to do?

Why would you want to make Christ the one who sold everything he had to buy something worth more than himself? I'm telling you brethren Christ is selling nothing; it's these compromisers that think they can sell Him out for their cheap gospel.

The problem today is that men think to highly of themselves. It is not self-esteem brother that is going to please God it is Christ-esteem.

It is the saved man, who see's the one pearl of Great price. The one pearl of Great price is Jesus paying the price (the blood of His Cross) for our redemption from sin.

The saved man who really finds the one pearl of great price will go and sell all that he has (give up everything in this life) for the sake of Jesus and His Church.

The mark of a true Christian is one who is willing to sacrifice the present for the future.

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sermonindex


Christinyou wrote:
The parable of the treasure and of the pearl go together. The Man in both is not the sinner who seeks a treasure and a pearl, who gives up all in order to get all. The Man is our Lord, who buys the field. He gave all He had to have the treasure (Israel) hid in the field, who sold all to have the one pearl of great price (the church).

In Christ: Phillip

That is good analogy, Phillip, though I cannot discount what revelation of it does to the individual who sees it as well. Consider John 3:3 and 5 and know that not all who claim His Name are born again but live in presumption. I believe the truly born again ones will desire to see it and take the necessary steps in Christ, to enter. In this case, "purchase it".

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sermonindex


Logic wrote:
You have a man centered view on these parables:
Man being the object of selling for and giving all up for
The view that I present is Christ centered:
The christian selling all for the advancment of the Gosple and forsaken houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for HIS name's sake(Mat 19:29).

You are acknowledging that one must already be a Christian so your next remark is in conflict with that.

Sinners acknowleging the truth of the Gosple of Christ and obying Pro 23:23.

Where do you find an attitude of "obeying"; submissive disposition in any of this, even from the Christian, but rather an excitement within him that drives him to desire it even if he has to sell all his worldly goods? I know and awful lot of Christians who wouldn't dream of parting with their worldly goods, don't you? What does that say except they have never pursued Christ to see the Father except for the benefit of a paid up fire insurance policy? If one does not pursue, does not 'seek to find' how would one ever stumble across anything and does it not all then become mental ascent?

"But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul."
Joshua 22:5 (KJV)

I have never seen any sinner "stumbling" upon the gospel though it might be that he stumbles upon someone preaching it. I guess that can sometimes be the case if God is directing his steps.

The Man in both is not the sinner who seeks a treasure

Nope, righr right on that one.
He is a christian, but the parable does not say that the man was seeking the tresure, he only found it, stumbeled upon it.

But it suggests perhaps his hope and his pursuit to be more than just a salvation message for the new born in Christ to live by, that he drives him. The salvation message will NOT sustain an individual in his life in Christ. That is why we have so many "pep rallies" we call revivals. It becomes a "white knuckle" club to anyone if the seeing of the Treasure and the buying of it is presumed upon and as as being something one already possesses after repeating the sinners prayer. We all have lived long enough to know that can't be true. Most of Christendom teaches we have it all when we get saved. Most of Christendom is in dire straights for lack of knowledge; is going to lose out in joint-heir-ship with Christ Jesus. I am not convinced one is automatically born again when first saved. That would explain alot if true. However,"How shall we, the born again, escape if we neglect so great salvation". We will certainly join them in their loss.

The man was seeking pearls though. Thjis one is the sinner glorifying Christ by acknowleging the Truth and selling all to buy it.

The sinner does not glorify Christ by acknowledging Him. Satan does that much.

The Man is our Lord, who buys the field. He gave all He had to have the treasure (Israel) hid in the field, who sold all to have the one pearl of great price (the church).
Just keep your man centered view and I will glorify God with mine.

Good point that can't be discounted. Jesus indeed, desires a Bride for Himself and gave all He had for to have one from the Father. Should we not be about our Father's business as well?

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PaulWest

I am not convinced one is automatically born again when first saved. That would explain alot if true.

Hi Ormly, I don't think I'm quite following your theology. Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God (John 3:3), nor can he enter into the kingdom of God (verse 5). In light of these words, how is a person saved at all without the new birth?

[i](edit-disclaimer)[/i] This attempt at clarification is not at all meant to divert the edifiying topic of this thread. I do feel, however, that this is an important rudiment to understand in light of properly interpreting Ormly's subsequent posts in this thread.

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bonni

rbanks quoted,


"The mark of a true Christian is one who is willing to sacrifice the present for the future."

I truly believe that this is the essence of what Christ is trying to convey in this parable. In fact He came down Himself first, to be an example of sacrificing the present for the future.


Blessings, bonni

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death2self

The saved man who really finds the one pearl of great price will go and sell all that he has (give up everything in this life) for the sake of Jesus and His Church.
Amen...

This is how the Apostle Paul stated it in Philippians 3: But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, [b]for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith.[/b]

All of the things of the world will appear as rubbish or dung (in the KJV). Paul gave up everything to follow Jesus and if we wish to follow Him we must do the same.

I'm awaiting that full transition of mind and heart to where I honestly testify that everything in my life but Christ is rubbage and Jesus is in the process of doing it...

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roadsign

In his book, Preaching the Parables, Craig Blomberg, an evangelical New Testament scholar, takes the conventional approach to these parables. Blomberg is someone whom I deeply respect for his thorough work in biblical interpretation, so I am reluctant to dismiss his approach.

Yet, regarding the possibility that Jesus may be the man finding the treasure, he says:

“… a small minority of commentators suggest that Jesus is the treasure seeker here, who does indeed purchase salvation for us through his atoning death. But while scholars discuss this interpretation, I have never run across it at a popular level, so I don’t complicate factors by introducing this option.”

And about the discrepancy over the “purchase” motif, he believes we should not make much of that point. (naturally!)

Interesting way to deal with it, is that not? In all fairness, he has a point. His book is about preaching really, and you can’t send your audience in all different directions. You have to stick to a point and drive it on – which he does remarkably in this chapter of his book. (in the manner that death2self has done)

for whose sake I have lost all things

Still, for me, his comments do not lend any exegetically proof against the possibility that Christ is the “man”.

Comments?

Diane

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Paul West wrote:

(edit-disclaimer) This attempt at clarification is not at all meant to divert the edifiying topic of this thread. I do feel, however, that this is an important rudiment to understand in light of properly interpreting Ormly's subsequent posts in this thread.

What are you implying by this remark and especially this part: "I do feel, however, that this is an important rudiment to understand in light of properly interpreting Ormly's subsequent posts in this thread."

Question: Do you believe the kingdom of God can be evidenced in the lives of most of those who claim the Name of Jesus; who occupy the pews in our churches?

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Christinyou

Truly Jesus Christ is our Pearl of Great Price. He paid the Price, to get the Body of Christ His Church. The rich young ruler was to follow Christ if he sold all he had to give to the poor.
How great is the price paid for our salvation, Jesus certainly did give all to purchase us.

It is also my contension that if we are to follow Christ we are to give all that we have to obtain this Pearl of great price. He must increase and I must decrease. It says, such is the kingdom of heaven. Christ paying the price and me selling all I have and following Him.

Ec 7:12 For wisdom is a defence, and money is a defence: but the excellency of knowledge is, that wisdom giveth life to them that have it.

Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

This wisdom has been made unto us by God the Father, making righteousness, sanctification and redemption also ours in Him.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

I see both sides of the story in our salvation, but that is just me. If I were to have to make a choice in which interpretation is correct, I could not. Making the price Christ paid to purchase His body the Church, the ultimate price. Making Him our only Pearl that saves to the utmost our only option to learn truly what the desire of our hearts are, that is to love God an His Christ and one another, as He loves us and gave Himself for us.

In Christ: Phillip

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Logic

Christinyou wrote:
Truly Jesus Christ is our Pearl of Great Price.
I thought you said:
The Man in both is not the sinner who seeks a treasure and a pearl, who gives up all in order to get all. The Man is our Lord,

If Jesus is the Pearl of Great Price, then the man must be "the sinner who seeks and a pearl"

Which is it?

I see both sides of the story in our salvation, but that is just me. If I were to have to make a choice in which interpretation is correct, I could not.
Very well then, I am glad you say that.
There is no argument with you then.

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KingJimmy

44 "The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid again; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.

45 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking fine pearls, 46 and upon finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it.

In both parables an individual discovers something hidden and exchanges everything he had in order to obtain it. Why two parables that have the same meaning? Such was the nature of Hebrew poetry. When you wanted to emphasize something, you said it twice. You can see such frequently in the Psalms, Proverbs, or even Isaiah 6, where the angels cry out "holy, holy, holy."

The reason for the two parables is because Christ wanted to make three things emphatically clear. One, he wanted to show how amazingly valuable the thing discovered was. Secondly, he wanted to show how everything else pales in comparison to the discovered thing. Thirdly, he wanted to show that in order to obtain this amazing thing of great value, one must put everything they have into getting it.

The "man" in each example here, is meant to be you. For if you truly stumble upon the kingdom of heaven (which is what the parable is about), you must "put in all your chips" in order to obtain it. The pearl of great price and the treasure hidden in the field is neither Christ nor us. The pearl of great price and the treasure hidden in the field is the kingdom of heaven, and all that it represents-- which of course, ultimately speaking, is inclusive of Christ and ourselves.

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roadsign

I find this intriguing. We have a parable that Jesus did not interpret for us, and we are left to ponder. But not really! Earlier in Matt. 13 Jesus is asked why he speaks in parables, and he replies, “The knowledge of the secrets if the kingdom of heaven is not given to everyone” In other words the parables are understood by those who have their eyes and ears opened through the Spirit.

Now, I admit, even though I am saved and know a lot of the Bible, I still struggle with spiritual dullness. I keep on needing to seek the Lord to open my eyes. Here is one case.

Why are there two seemingly possible views of this parable? Aside from assuming an interpretation received from man, maybe it depends on what eyes one sees it thought - whether one is rich or poor. After all, a poor man has nothing to sell, but he has everything to gain in Christ. The rich man, from his viewpoint, has everything to lose. That’s why it is much harder for the rich to enter the kingdom. Note that the rich ruler did not go out to sell his possessions and follow Jesus. Also, Jesus only said that to that one man, not likely because he thought it might work, but to help the rich man know his own heart.

In her own experience Jackie Pullinger found that those with a comfortable lot in life are resistant to follow Christ, even the churched ones. But the drug addicts only need five minutes to come to Christ: They have already seen him in the lives of converts, and they want him. They also come because they know that this will give them a roof over their heads and a meal. They come because they know that he will rescue them from their misery, the heroin dens, the brothels, the gambling rings, and so forth. Like the returning prodigal son, they don’t come with noble ultraistic goals. But when they find Jesus, and find that they are so rich in him, they give all for him.

Only 5% of the world receives an annual income over $5,000, 2% over $20,000 (so I once heard). The rest live in poverty. How would the poor (95% of the world) possibly see this parable: Yes the poor do not need to think about what they have to give up, but they do need to know the glorious hope in Christ. “Blessed are the poor…….. “

What about my church where the people are well-off and well-educated, accustomed to being in charge of their lives, rational, linear thinkers in professional roles. Suppose it really doesn’t matter which way this parable is interpreted. If I were to present it to my church, which interpretation should I take? Should I emphasize what they must give up or what they can gain. I think the later, for they’ve heard plenty of works related teaching – that center on what YOU must do. I think they need to see that really they are poor, naked, and just as wretched as those gang youth were in Honk Hong, and have nothing Christ wants. However, in Christ they can become rich.

Thank you all (!) for your thoughts. Maybe you are helping me shape this topic into a formal message (complete with quotes from you) Let’s see where the Lord takes this.

Diane

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roadsign wrote:
I find this intriguing. We have a parable that Jesus did not interpret for us, and we are left to ponder. But not really! Earlier in Matt. 13 Jesus is asked why he speaks in parables, and he replies, “The knowledge of the secrets if the kingdom of heaven is not given to everyone” In other words the parables are understood by those who have their eyes and ears opened through the Spirit.

Now, I admit, even though I am saved and know a lot of the Bible, I still struggle with spiritual dullness. I keep on needing to seek the Lord to open my eyes. Here is one case.

Why are there two seemingly possible views of this parable?

[b]It is because reform tradition has the gospel as a single dimension doctrine of Jesus as savior. Preaching Him as Lord is reduced Him and made it necessary for the need for 'self help' books and 'pep rally' church services to sustain the 'saved' in the head but not of the heart crowd. In the OSAS camp that is all it can be, i.e., sentimentalism and personal guilt re-visited only to be reminded of what Jesus accomplished for us. Thats it on any given Sunday service and Bible study. He did it all and there is nothing we can do and OSAS rules, never taking us beyond the salvation message into the purposes of God; His ultimate intention for His creation except to say, "it is for His pleasure", never able to explain what His pleasure is aside from what happiness will be ours if we can just hang on. Those of us who see beyond that know there is more to the message of Jesus Christ to be accomplished in us who claim His Name this side of Glory than just accepting Him and hanging on til heaven. You can see that in the two different interpretations. One has it as Christ to be the Pearl tripped over by sinners and those, as myself who see the Pearl as the 'mystery of the cross'; what it has truly accomplished for Father and the vision of what Father has in store for those who love Him without a hook; who aren't sitting on His knee telling Him so because that want something from Him. If we can see the Joy we can endure as Jesus did. The JOY is the Pearl, the Treasure in the field and it is unspeakable and full of Glory. seeing it requires something of us that is narrow and demands a single eye and this only from the sold out born again.

There is more but I have probably already stepped on more toes than enough[/b]

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No, caught a glimpse of Paul Washer and felt like the biggest sinner. I judged his appearance, until I felt the glory of God consume me. Who am I that you are so mindful of me, if I go the right you are there, if I go the left you are there, where can I go from your spirit. Racing at 55 miles an hr I looked to the side and you were there. Why don’t you let me go, why do I feel this pull continuously that draws me to you? Listening to Paul Washer, the conviction was captivating, as it gripped my heart and I felt the very life of me, my Spirit trembled. I can only pray, that I would be able to impart, this love of God towards his people, it can only come by a repent anted heart. One day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day unto the Lord. All I can say is do I know Him, of whom I speak, My Spirit bears witness but for a moment, and when the video has ended and I go about my life one day at a time, do I still remember him? Do I remember when he first called me, when I felt for the very first time his presence, do I remember when he first said, you’re name has been written in the Lambs Book of life, You are Saved. Have I taken my salvation for granted, have I taken the name of Christianity as just a name? Is my shadow able to heal the sick, as did the shadow of one of the first apostles, Peter? My heart is still beating as, if I had been on treadmill. I repent for mishandling his word, which gives me life and life more abundantly. Make me a man after your own heart, cause me to repent every seven steps as I handle your word which to me represents the Ark of the Covenant, your word is Holy, and your word is Devine.

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