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early church fathers on the Free Will of man

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some quotes from the early church fathers about free will

Ignatius of Antioch-

# If any one is truly religious, he is a man of God; but if he is irreligious, he is a man of the devil, made such, not by nature, but by his own choice.

Polycarp- c. 69 AD-c. 155 AD.

# But Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very old man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom... 13

Irenaeus- (ca. 130-202)

# Men are Possessed of Free Will, and Endowed with the Faculty of Making a Choice. It is Not True, Therefore, that Some are by Nature Good, and Others Bad.

# Man is Endowed with the Faculty of Distinguishing Good and Evil; So That, Without Compulsion, He Has the Power, by His Own Will and Choice, to Perform God's Commandments, by Doing Which He Avoids the Evils Prepared for the Rebellious.

Justin Martyr- c. 100/114AD – c. 162/168 AD.

# Man acts by his own free will and not by fate.

# We have learned from the prophets, and we hold it to be true, that punishments, chastisements, and rewards are rendered according to the merit of each man's actions. Otherwise, if all things happen by fate, then nothing is in our own power. For if it be predestined that one man be good and another man evil, then the first is not deserving of praise or the other to be blamed. Unless humans have the power of avoiding evil and choosing good by free choice, they are not accountable for their actions-whatever they may be.... For neither would a man be worthy of reward or praise if he did not of himself choose the good, but was merely created for that end. Likewise, if a man were evil, he would not deserve punishment, since he was not evil of himself, being unable to do anything else than what he was made for.

# But that you may not have a pretext for saying that Christ must have been crucified, and that those who transgressed must have been among your nation, and that the matter could not have been otherwise, I said briefly by anticipation, that God, wishing men and angels to follow His will, resolved to create them free to do righteousness; possessing reason, that they may know by whom they are created, and through whom they, not existing formerly, do now exist; and with a law that they should be judged by Him, if they do anything contrary to right reason: and of ourselves we, men and angels, shall be convicted of having acted sinfully, unless we repent beforehand. But if the word of God foretells that some angels and men shall be certainly punished, it did so because it foreknew that they would be unchangeably [wicked], but not because God had created them so.

Clement of Alexandria (190 AD)

# A man by himself working and toiling at freedom from sinful desires achieves nothing. But if he plainly shows himself to be very eager and earnest about this, he attains it by the addition of the power of God. God works together with willing souls. But if the person abandons his eagerness, the spirit from God is also restrained. To save the unwilling is the act of one using compulsion; but to save the willing, that of one showing grace.

# Neither praise nor condemnation, neither rewards nor punishments, are right if the soul does not have the power of choice and avoidance, if evil is involuntary.

Archelaus (250-300 AD)

All the creatures that God made, He made very good. And He gave to every individual the sense of free will, by which standard He also instituted the law of judgment.... And certainly whoever will, may keep the commandments. Whoever despises them and turns aside to what is contrary to them, shall yet without doubt have to face this law of judgment.... There can be no doubt that every individual, in using his own proper power of will, may shape his course in whatever direction he pleases.

Methodius (260-315 AD)

# Those [pagans] who decide that man does not have free will, but say that he is governed by the unavoidable necessities of fate, are guilty of impiety toward God Himself, making Him out to be the cause and author of human evils.

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tjservant

"I once laboured hard for the free will of man, until the grace of God at length overcame me."

- Augustine -

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Clement of Alexandria (190 AD)

# A man by himself working and toiling at freedom from sinful desires achieves nothing. But if he plainly shows himself to be very eager and earnest about this, he attains it by the addition of the power of God. God works together with willing souls. But if the person abandons his eagerness, the spirit from God is also restrained. To save the unwilling is the act of one using compulsion; but to save the willing, that of one showing grace.

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TaylorOtwell

[b]I think you forgot these early church fathers which you may find helpful:[/b]

Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures. -- James the brother of our Lord

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved. -- The Apostle Paul

So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. -- The Apostle Paul

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: -- The Apostle Peter

And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. -- The Lord Jesus

All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. -- The Lord Jesus

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Augustine probably have done more damage to christianity then any other man, in [b]my[/b] opinion.

And as for the verses, yes they are scripture, but you know i can give 100 verses speaking of mans free will and our responsibility. You can explain them away, twist them and make them meen other then they plainly says, as many of the ones who can not make a choice by them self.

"thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart"

love is a choice,

Psa 78:67 Moreover [b]he refused[/b] the tabernacle of Joseph, and [b]chose not[/b] the tribe of Ephraim:
Psa 78:68 But [b]chose[/b] the tribe of Judah, [b]the mount Zion which he loved.[/b]


we chose every day every situationn what you are doing, you chose to sin, you chose who you are marrying, you chose the words you speak, and if people could hear and see our thoughts we would be as careful with them as with our words before men, but if we fear God and love HIM we will stop doing things for men, and do them for God, we love because he loved us first, that is true, but we chose this day whom we serve, the surest sign of grace in our life is we love HIM. And that love according to scripture makes us chose to obey HIS commandments.

I was predestined to free will to love HIM.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

see there? its a door it has a inside and an outside, you need open that door when the Lord knocks. You can stand all day there and believe it will open by itself, but YOU have to do it. Sure the Lord knocks, he must knock first.... but you must WILL to open it.

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some scriptures for showing our part and choice in the relationship with God.

Deu 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Deu 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
Deu 30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deu 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.


Joh 14:15 [b]If[/b] ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 15:7 [b]If[/b] ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, [b]to every man that worketh good[/b], to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Paul thinks a man deserves honor and glory that does good, its good brothers to do good! God wants us to will to do good.

wonderful!

1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

see we have to run? we must chose to participate in the race. If you dont want to run you can never win. I never saw a sprinter who dident want to run that won.

1Ti 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Timothy must keep the commandment, surly anyone sees he must will to keep it? if he dont want to it does not matter even if he does keep it since God looks at the heart. So we must will to keep his commandments. A choice....

2Ti 2:21 Then [b]if[/b] anyone purifies himself from these, he will be a vessel to honor, having been sanctified and made useful to the Master, having been prepared to every good work.

this word if is a most profitable bible study. If shows clearly there must be a choice so if we purify ourself we will be a vessel to honor. Again no one ever purified himself who did not will to do it. Even if you did, and dident wanna do it really, it will not hold in the day of judgment. The heart thing again

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

how did Jesus walk?

did he chose to follow the Fathers will or was he forced to?

is love forces or by free will? do you chose to love God today? not speaking as salvation or the predestination part, but if you and i are saved do we chose by our free will to love God?

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[url=http://www.evangelicalarminians.com/files/Wesley.%20PREDESTINATION%20CALMLY%20CONSIDERED.pdf]Predestination calmly considered by Wesley[/url] is recomended little book, and to help those who have not so much time, please read from point 45(about) and a few pages forth, he speaks very good i think on the free will of man and in my opinion keeps the whole of scripture in balance. Without violating several other parts while explaining.

I would post it here, but the PDF make it look all messed up, so help yourself :-)

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tjservant

we chose every day every situationn what you are doing, you chose to sin, you chose who you are marrying, you chose the words you speak, and if people could hear and see our thoughts we would be as careful with them as with our words before men, but if we fear God and love HIM we will stop doing things for men, and do them for God, we love because he loved us first, that is true, but we chose this day whom we serve, the surest sign of grace in our life is we love HIM. And that love according to scripture makes us chose to obey HIS commandments.

We all make daily decisions. The 'free will' debate is not about whether or not we can make choices.

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I heard an evangelist use two analogies to describe what happens in our redemption. He said sin has such a strong hold on us, a stranglehold, that it’s like a person who can’t swim, who falls overboard in a raging sea, and he’s going under for the third time and only the tops of his fingers are still above the water; and unless someone intervenes to rescue him, he has no hope of survival, his death is certain. And unless God throws him a life preserver, he can’t possibly be rescued. And not only must God throw him a life preserver in the general vicinity of where he is, but that life preserver has to hit him right where his fingers are still extended out of the water, and hit him so that he can grasp hold of it. It has to be perfectly pitched. But still that man will drown unless he takes his fingers and curls them around the life preserver and God will rescue him. But unless that tiny little human action is done, he will surely perish.

The other analogy is this: A man is desperately ill, sick unto death, lying in his hospital bed with a disease that is fatal. There is no way he can be cured unless somebody from outside comes up with a cure, a medicine that will take care of this fatal disease. And God has the cure and walks into the room with the medicine. But the man is so weak he can’t even help himself to the medicine; God has to pour it on the spoon. The man is so sick he’s almost comatose. He can’t even open his mouth, and God has to lean over and open up his mouth for him. God has to bring the spoon to the man’s lips, but the man still has to swallow it.

Now, if we’re going to use analogies, let’s be accurate. The man isn’t going under for the third time; he is stone cold dead at the bottom of the ocean. That’s where you once were when you were dead in sin and trespasses and walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air. And while you were dead hath God quickened you together with Christ. God dove to the bottom of the sea and took that drowned corpse and breathed into it the breath of his life and raised you from the dead. And it’s not that you were dying in a hospital bed of a certain illness, but rather, when you were born you were born D.O.A. That’s what the Bible says: that we are morally stillborn.

Do we have a will? Yes, of course we have a will. Calvin said, if you mean by a free will a faculty of choosing by which you have the power within yourself to choose what you desire, then we all have free will. If you mean by free will the ability for fallen human beings to incline themselves and exercise that will to choose the things of God without the prior monergistic work of regeneration then, said Calvin, free will is far too grandiose a term to apply to a human being.

The semi-Pelagian doctrine of free will prevalent in the evangelical world today is a pagan view that denies the captivity of the human heart to sin. It underestimates the stranglehold that sin has upon us. RC Sproul

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HomeFree89

Taylor,

There's plenty of Scripture to back up our side, too. Plus, I believe the whole of the Scriptures back up that man has free will, even though you will never find "free will" specifically in the Bible.


"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD,[b] choose you[/b] this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." -Joshua 24:15

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The semi-Pelagian doctrine of free will prevalent in the evangelical world today is a pagan view that denies the captivity of the human heart to sin. It underestimates the stranglehold that sin has upon us. RC Sproul

Total depravity, yes. Total inability, no.

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HeartSong

It is in the asking.

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learn

Tjservant, I hope you don't mind me engaging you in this discussion. I've noticed over time that you're leaning very strongly to Calvinist view of 'election' and you would pull up Spurgeon's sayings or J C Ryle's election that it is not the lack of human election that causes man to go to hell which on the surface would make it more palatable to human reasoning. The thing is, true Calvinist doctrine (which Spurgeon certainly agree with) is merely saying that unelected man is NOT WILLING (and not CANNOT) to come to God because they hate Him--hence they are guilty. (Thus, in effect its man's responsibility for not coming to God and hence that's why they go to hell--it's all the non-elect's fault--that's how they justify it). But in the same breath they will say that for the elect (in Paul Washer's viewpoint which is basically Calvinist viewpoint too), one is 'dead', so in order for the elect to come to God, God has to yank the chain, pull aside the curtain, open their eyes. Now by then, they have knowledge of God, but the elect will still not come to God because they hate Him. So God has to take out the heart of stone and put in the heart of flesh (so that the elect will want to come to God).

Can't you see the illogic in this. The non elect Will NOT come to God because they hate him (since God obviously hasn't and won't change their hearts), yet the elect will only come to God only when God changes the elect's heart. Now, so long as God has not change the elect's heart, the elect will not come to Him (after all they are 'still dead'). But yet, we impose this responsibility and say its wrong (an immoral decision by the non-elects for NOT WILLING to come to God and hence the non-elect are going to hell because after all we are all sinners). No, my friend, I don't think that this doctrine is right at all.

There is seemingly a contradiction between God's election and man's ability (but it is not as ungenerous and unmerciful as what Calvinists would imagine). How many times is it in the bible that God desires mercy and that God is merciful. For Calvinists to say that God is merciful (based on the earlier paragraphs ie basically the mercy lasts for around 70 years ie the human lifespan) but then cast the non-elect to hell because they are NOT WILLING to come to HIM since God've not changed their hearts)--now, how can that be considered merciful? Even a kid can say that.

Just ask a kid, if I give you bread for 70 years (ie in adult language, the sun will still shine on wicked people), but after that for all eternity, I will let you starve(just because you WILL NOT ask me for bread since I've not make you want to ask me for bread because I've not changed your heart for you to want to ask me for bread even though you need it) --can that be considered merciful? The kid will answer you back, dad if I WILL NOT ask you for bread because you have not changed my heart, how can I still be responsible? How can you be considered merciful to me? Perhaps you have misunderstood the bible meaning. Perhaps this is something that God does not want us to know how HE works--maybe we should not try so hard to try to be logical because by doing so, we are even more illogical. And by being willing to say we don't understand how it works and not try to force a doctrine, we are not saying that God is wringing his hands and depending on us to say yes to Him. (which is what Calvinists like to say of those that do not agree with them)

I remember the bible saying, that we should understand it like a child. Isn't it better to admit like a child, that its something that we don't understand, instead of trying to force illogical statements in order to satisfy those that already presumed they are elected? When people think that they are elected, its always easier to submit to illogical statements. They may read (although with the most honest intent) it word for word but miss the HEART (or GIST) of it all.

In the Hindu culture (in the olden days), there were caste systems (I think the highest/most privilege was Brahmins and the lowest was Shudras). I highly suspect that it wasn't the Shudras that invented this caste system but the Brahmins that invented it.

I don't agree with Arminiasm but neither do I agree with Calvinism

Edit: I've just edited some parts. Sorry, this is a bad habit of mine that I tend to edit my posts after posting.

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tjservant

Hello brother learn

When we attempt to reason and find answers in the scriptures, whose logic are we using?

Modern logic will not tolerate a God that chooses not to reveal all His ways. They must find 'logic' and 'consistency' where the Bible does not give any.

Take the Trinity for example:

100% man…100% God. That is 200%. You cannot have 200% of something.

This is completely illogical and totally inconsistent, yet absolutely true.

The finite human mind is not capable of comprehending this seemingly inconsistent set of facts. We must simply accept it as truth because it is truth…not because we understand it.

I believe in unconditional election. If you go to heaven it is because you are one of God’s elect. God is responsible.

I believe in the responsibility of the believer. If you go to hell it is because of your unbelief. You are responsible.

I believe in unconditional election and the responsibility of the believer because I believe the Bible clearly teaches that both are true.

Is this inconsistent and or illogical?

Is it more inconsistent and or illogical than the Trinity?

The logic of the Hebrews was much more akin to that of King David's. A logic that often said things like, "Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high; I cannot attain it."(Psalm 139:6) This way of thinking did not require them to stuff their God into a box they could fully understand. They were at peace with their God that said things like, "my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways…"(Isaiah 55:8) It was not irrational or inconsistent…it was simply God's way and they did not need to fully understand it in order for it to be true.

The problem is not in believing that both are true, the problem comes in attempting to harmonize God's sovereignty with man's responsibility.

We must let God be God and stop trying to stuff Him into a box that we can wrap our finite human minds around. The box of human understanding is much too small to contain the ways of our infinite God

Our minds are limited…His is not.

I believe the fact that paradox is found in the Bible is one of the greatest proofs that the Bible was written by God. Man would never have been able to leave so many ‘seemingly’ inconsistent ideas in it.

God is the only one who can understand how it all comes together, and that is His problem, not mine.

To challenge this, one must demonstrate how an alternate understanding is more compatible with the biblical texts, rather than demonstrate how it is more compatible with one's presuppositions or how it leaves one with a more "comfortable" answer.

Perhaps it is better that we simply accept that sovereign election and human responsibility are theological aspects that will never be solved with any degree of certainty this side of glory.


Psalm 139:6
Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
it is high; I cannot attain it.

Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord

just rambling...

Grace and peace

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learn

Tjservant, you misunderstood me completely. Maybe if you were to read again, you will note that what I'm saying is that man's ability and God's election is something that we cannot comprehend and seemingly in contradiction with one another, and this is something that we have to accept without trying to twist it into another meaning as what Calvinist doctrine is doing. Calvinist doctrine is trying to say that since the non-elect will not go to God, they are guilty(please note its because God has not changed the non-elect hearts, that's why the non-elect WILL NOT go to God). At the same time, the elect willl only go to God AFTER God has changed the elects' hearts so that the elect will want to go to God. The Calvinist is trying to get the non-elect to admit guilty on something that they will not do so (since their hearts ARE AND WILL NOT BE CHANGED BY GOD). What responsibility is that? The Calvinist will then say its a contradiction between man's responsibility and God's election. The thing is Calvinists are not allowing any chance for the non-elect to even make a choice/ability although they will put in their doctrine 'man is responsible'


The thing is when you pull out part of the sayings of Spurgeon and J C Ryle and part of Calvinist doctrine, the wrong impression is given to those that do not really know Calvinist doctrine and thus they think that Calvinist doctrine is correct, after all they admit its a contradiction. But the contradiction they admit is not a correct contradiction, its a false contradiction. A more feasible contradiction will be God elect but man still has the ability to come to God. A false contradiction is what Calvinist doctrine as stated in earlier paragraph is. In fact, some Calvinists such as Paul Washer will tell you, its actually logical (ie giving the impression that its not a contradiction in the first place, after all according to them, man is NOT WILLING (ie not cannot, but will not)--thus an immoral decision which they will be judged for)--but bear in mind, the non-elect WILL NOT is because GOD WILL NOT change the non-elect's heart to accept HIM. If one were to really look at Calvinist doctrine, then one will realise what is really being taught (as explained in my earlier post).


Peace

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tjservant

Tjservant, you misunderstood me completely. Maybe if you were to read again...

Perhaps I understand…and simply disagree.

I wish you well brother

Grace and peace

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learn


tjservant wrote:
Tjservant, you misunderstood me completely. Maybe if you were to read again...

Perhaps I understand…and simply disagree.

I wish you well brother

Grace and peace

Perhaps you understand but from your earlier post the way you wrote, doesn't seem so to me at all. I'll let it rest though. However, I would plead with you that when you pull out parts of what Spurgeon says, it gives the wrong understanding of what Calvinism is to those that are not really familiar with them.

Peace.


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tjservant

Perhaps we do not share the same understanding of Calvinism. You may believe I am giving a false presentation of it to others. I may believe the same of you.

I too will let it rest.

I love all.

It matters not whether you are an A or a C. I simply enjoy discussing it. I have never tried to lead anyone astray, just looking for truth…no matter what ‘label’ man puts on it.

Grace and peace

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Hi tjservant...

I believe in unconditional election. If you go to heaven it is because you are one of God’s elect. God is responsible.

I believe in the responsibility of the believer. If you go to hell it is because of your unbelief. You are responsible.


My wife once overheard someone comment about a person who died. This person said, "[i]Don't you think that it was 'his time' to go[/i]?"

My wife responded that she didn't believe in the notion that our lives are predestined in the sense we have no free will. She said, "[i]If a person jumps in front of an 18 wheeler that is traveling at 80 mph in western Texas -- then it is his time to go[/i]. How? This person's free will caused him to meet a death that was already realized by a God sitting in an infinite Eternity looking down this temporary world.

I am amazed with people who don't believe in free will! It is as if our decisions no longer matter! Yet God has REQUIRED that men call upon his Name! He is NO RESPECTOR of persons. He didn't choose some above others. His love was so great that He gave his very life for the ENTIRE WORLD -- and the entire world has the opportunity to call upon the Name of the Lord.

Furthermore, I haven't met anyone who doesn't exercise his/her free will everyday. We freely choose to continue in our walk with God rather than give into the temptations of this life (the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and the pride of life). The Bible is clear about those who continue in sin.

I suppose that a question should be asked: Can a person who has believed in Christ, called upon His Name (in truth), and chosen to walk with Him -- can such a person return to a life of sin (via free will regarding the temptations and cares of this life)? I have known several people who have. And I haven't met a person alive who hasn't (at one time or another) struggled with such temptations of this world.

Can a person walk with God and then fall away?

Just something to think about...

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tjservant wrote:
Perhaps we do not share the same understanding of Calvinism. You may believe I am giving a false presentation of it to others. I may believe the same of you.

I too will let it rest.

I love all.

It matters not whether you are an A or a C. I simply enjoy discussing it. I have never tried to lead anyone astray, just looking for truth…no matter what ‘label’ man puts on it.

Grace and peace


Tjservant,

I'm not saying that you are purposely trying to misled others. I'm just sharing what others may view when you post part of certain people's doctrines that may not be fully representative and may be misleading to others. You can say the same about me and others too. I understand.

I already know from previous posts that you like to discuss doctrines. But please also bear in mind, this is a forum that is visited by many people. We also have to be aware that what we write may and will have impact on others that do not wish to post.

Peace

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theopenlife

These quotes clearly show that men have always had opinions about the scriptures.

I too made these arguments with sincerity against the Lord's saving grace. Then I loved a Sacrifice but not the Savior; the 'atonement' I believed in did not propitiate at the cross and was only effectual through my works of cooperative belief and ceasing from sin. To me at that time, Christ's death accomplished nothing but to hope in my decisive willingness.

These wrestlings about the will are grievous. The sound is akin to a child explaining his existence without an understanding of reproduction and birth. "I must have made myself," he says, "and given myself as a gift to my parents who were kind enough to accept me."

Perhaps the Father shall pull him aside and explain where infants come from.

Certainly my knowledge of this mystery came not from a great personal intellect, but from the Spirit who reveals such truth throughout the Word. For instance, please consider the grammatical construction of the following passage in John's Gospel. Recognize the cause and effect, the analogy and its reality.

"As many as received him, to them [b]gave he power[/b] to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which [b]were born[/b], [u]not[/u] of blood, [u][b]nor[/b] of the will of the flesh[/u], [b][u]nor[/b] of the will of man[/u], but of [b]God[/b]."

Evidently, the power to become a son of God is prerequisite to believing on Christ. This power is sovereignly given by God to those He chooses. Those who do receive this power are in that instant born again of God's Spirit and willingly receive Christ.

This is best understood by explaining the relationship of the Will to the Nature, and by knowing the origin of ones Nature.

[b]Whatever is born receives the Nature of that which bore it.[/b] The Nature is the source of preferences, instincts, and desires. It is the Nature which informs the Will of what it perceives as most desirable. The Will always receives the council of the Nature and acts compliantly. [b]The Will never contradicts the greatest impulse of the Nature[/b], for the Will is servant of the Nature, and gives Nature what it desires.

You have heard of otherwise moral men who used deciet to save their lives. They did not lie because they enjoyed lying, but were overcome by a desire to preserve the life they loved. Their wills were informed of two natural desires, one to be moral and another to survive. The Will made its choice based upon the greatest impulse of the nature, which was to live. When you will that which you do not entirely prefer, it is because you have an even greater preference for the thing which you at last will.

Those born of Adam have his sinful nature. The sinful Nature derives satisfaction from self-rule. It is in rebellion to the Law of God. For this reason Natural man willingly chooses sin and self-righteousness over Christ's commands to repent and believe. He has no holy desire for the Lord and Life. "The natural man receives not the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him." Were you an exception? Were you wise? No, you were natural. "The carnal mind is not subject to the Law of God, nor indeed can be."

How then does one become free of his natural impulses? He must be born again into a new, spiritual nature. As all men, you once "loved darkness and did not come to the light for your deeds were evil." If you have been born again, you have received the imparted spiritual nature of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit has come upon your unregenerate soul with a birthing power that circumvented activities of the will, to change your nature. The new spiritual nature carries new desires, to repent and believe the gospel, and these desires stimulated the will to act differently.

For this reason the cause of spiritual birth is "not of the will of the flesh", "for the flesh profits nothing."


What do the scriptures say about the captivity of the will to the sinful nature?

[b]Is man basically good or basically evil?[/b]

* Ecclesiastes 7:29 - "Behold, I have found only this, that God made men upright, but they have sought out many devices."
* Romans 5:7-8 - For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
* Romans 5:12,19 - through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned... through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners
* Job 15:14-16 - "What is man, that he should be pure, or he who is born of a woman, that he should be righteous? Behold, He puts no trust in His holy ones, and the heavens are not pure in His sight; how much less one who is detestable and corrupt, man, who drinks iniquity like water!"

c.f. Job 25:4-6; Ecclesiastes 9:3

[b]All men? Are there any exceptions?[/b]

* Psalm 143:2 - And do not enter into judgment with Your servant, for in Your sight no man living is righteous.
* Galatians 3:22 - the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin
* Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
* Isaiah 53:6 - All of us like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way;
* 2 Chronicles 6:36 - there is no man who does not sin
* Romans 3:9-12 - What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; as it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one; there is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God; all have turned aside, together they have become useless; there is none who does good, there is not even one. (c.f. Psalm 14:1-3, 53:1-3)
* 1 John 1:8,10 - If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we say we have not sinned, we make [God] a liar and His word is not in us.
* Mark 10:18/Luke 18:19 - And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone."

c.f. 1 Kings 8:46; 116:11, 130:3, 143:2; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; Jeremiah 2:29; Micah 7:2-4, Mark 10:18; Luke 18:19; James 3:2; etc., etc.

[b]Are people good deep down?[/b]

* Mark 7:21-23 - "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man."
* Psalm 5:9 - There is nothing reliable in what they say; their inward part is destruction itself. Their throat is an open grave; they flatter with their tongue.

[b]Are men totally depraved? Is every faculty of the person corrupted?
Heart/Thoughts (Deceitful)[/b]

* Jeremiah 17:9 - "The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it?"
* Ecclesiastes 9:3 - the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil and insanity is in their hearts throughout their lives. Afterwards they go to the dead.
* Genesis 6:5 & 8:21 - Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually... from youth.
* Psalm 36:1-2 - Transgression speaks to the ungodly within his heart; there is no fear of God before his eyes. For it flatters him in his own eyes concerning the discovery of his iniquity and the hatred of it.
* Proverbs 28:26 - He who trusts in his own heart is a fool

c.f. Psalm 58:4-5; Ecclesiastes 8:11; Ezekiel 11:19, 36:26; Psalm 94:11; Mark 7:21-23

Mind/Understanding (Depraved)[/b]

* Romans 1:28-31 - And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being... without understanding
* Titus 1:15-16 - to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled
* Ephesians 4:17-18 - So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart;
* Jeremiah 10:7-8,14 - For among all the wise men of the nations and in all their kingdoms, there is none like You. But they are altogether stupid and foolish. Every man is stupid, devoid of knowledge

[b]Will/Choosing (Enslaved)[/b]

* John 8:34 - "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin."
* 2 Peter 2:19 - by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
* Titus 3:3 - For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.
* Galatians 4:8-9 - However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?
* Romans 6:6 - our old self was crucified with Him... so that we would no longer be slaves to sin. But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient... and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
* Romans 7:14 - For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
* Romans 6:20 - For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
* 2 Timothy 2:25-26 - if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

c.f. Isaiah 42:6-7; John 8:31-32,36

[b]Affections/Desires (Perverted)[/b]

* Romans 1:24-27 - Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
* 2 Timothy 3:2-4 - For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God
* Proverbs 21:10 - The soul of the wicked desires evil
* Isaiah 32:6 - For a fool speaks nonsense, and his heart inclines toward wickedness
* John 3:19 - "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil."
* John 8:44 - "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father."

c.f. Genesis 3:16; Psalm 4:2, 140:8; Proverbs 10:23; 2 Peter 2:13

[b]et al (Utter Ruin)[/b]

* Titus 1:15-16 - to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled
* Romans 7:18 - I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh
* Isaiah 1:5-6 - The whole head is sick and the whole heart is faint. From the sole of the foot even to the head there is nothing sound in it, only bruises, welts and raw wounds, not pressed out or bandaged, nor softened with oil.

[b]Can men change themselves or still do good when they want to?[/b]

* Jeremiah 13:23 - Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots? Then you also can do good who are accustomed to doing evil.
* Job 11:12 - An idiot will become intelligent When the foal of a wild donkey is born a man.
* 1 Samuel 24:13 - "As the proverb of the ancients says, 'Out of the wicked comes forth wickedness'"
* Matthew 7:18 - "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit." (c.f. Luke 6:43)
* Romans 8:7 - the mind set on the flesh... does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so
* Genesis 6:5 & 8:21 - Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually... from youth.
* Titus 1:15-16 - to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.

c.f. Job 14:4; Matthew 12:34; John 15:5; Romans 14:23

[b]Are men at least born pure? What about the "tabula rasa"?[/b]

* Psalm 51:5 - Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.
* Psalm 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb; those who speak lies go astray from birth.
* Genesis 8:21 - the Lord said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth

c.f. Proverbs 21:8, 22:15; Isaiah 48:8

[b]What is the natural disposition of man toward God?[/b]

* John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
* Romans 8:7-8 - the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
* Colossians 1:21 - you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds
* James 4:4 - You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

c.f. Romans 1:28-30

[b]What is man's relationship to God?[/b]

* Psalm 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb; those who speak lies go astray from birth.
* Ephesians 2:12-13 - remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
* Ephesians 2:3 - Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

c.f. Isaiah 59:2

[b]Can man then do anything to please God?[/b]

* Proverbs 15:9 - The way of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord
* Proverbs 15:8/21:27 - The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord
* Proverbs 28:9 - He who turns away his ear from listening to the law, even his prayer is an abomination.
* Isaiah 64:6 - For all of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment;
* Romans 8:7-8 - the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
* Hebrews 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please [God]

c.f. Psalm 50:16; Proverbs 21:4; Isaiah 1:10-15; Amos 5:21-24

[b]Are men at least seeking God?[/b]

* John 3:20 - "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
* Isaiah 65:1 - "I permitted Myself to be sought by those who did not ask for Me; I permitted Myself to be found by those who did not seek Me."
* Isaiah 64:7 - There is no one who calls on Your name, who arouses himself to take hold of You; for You have hidden Your face from us and have delivered us into the power of our iniquities.
* Romans 3:10-12 - "there is none who seeks for God"

c.f. Romans 10:20

[b]Can the natural man comprehend the gospel or come to saving knowledge of God on his own?[/b]

* 1 Corinthians 2:14 - But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
* 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 - our gospel is veiled... to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
* 1 Corinthians 1:18,21-24 - For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Crist crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness
* Matthew 11:27 - "no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.'

c.f. Psalm 119:18; Proverbs 4:19; Isaiah 42:6-7; Hosea ;14:9; Matthew 16:17; John 8:43; Ephesians 4:17-19; 2 Corinthians 2:15-16; 2 Corinthians 4:3-4; 1 John 5:20

[b]Can men of themselves accept God's gift of salvation? Do men choose God or come to Him on their own?[/b]

* John 3:27 - John answered and said, "A man can receive nothing unless it has been given him from heaven."
* John 14:16 - "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him
* John 1:12-13 - But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
* John 6:44 & 64 - "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;" And He was saying, "For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father."
* Romans 9:16 - So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
* Romans 11:35-36 - Or who has first given to [the Lord] that it might be paid back to him again? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things.
* 1 Corinthians 1:30 - But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus
* Philippians 2:13 - for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.

c.f. Jonah 2:9; Zephaniah 3:9; John 15:16; 1 Corinthians 15:10; Philippians 1:6; James 1:18

[b]Who supplies faith/belief/repentance?[/b]

* Romans 12:3 - God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
* 2 Peter 1:1 - Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours
* Acts 5:31 - "He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
* Acts 11:18 - When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."
* Philippians 1:29 - For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake... to believe in Him
* Acts 18:27 - And when he wanted to go across to Achaia, the brethren encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him; and when he had arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace
* Acts 3:16 - "And on the basis of faith in His name, it is the name of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all."
* Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
* 2 Timothy 2:25 - The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, [etc.]... if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth
* 1 Corinthians 12:3 - no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit
* 2 Peter 1:3 - His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence
* Romans 11:36 - For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.
* John 3:6 & 6:63 - "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit... It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing;"

c.f. 1 Chronicles 29:14; John 5:44; Ephesians 6:23; 1 Corinthians 4:7

[b]Can men do anything to help themselves?[/b]

* Romans 5:6 - For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
* Ephesians 2:5 - even when we were dead in our transgressions, [God] made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)

c.f. Psalm 49:7-9; Jeremiah 2:22; Ezekiel 16:6, 37:1-3

[b]Who then can be saved?![/b]

* Matthew 19:26 - Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

c.f. Mark 10:27; Luke 18:27

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Section 1—Clemens Romanus. A.D. 69.

Clement of Rome, lived in the times of the apostles, and is, by Clement of Alexandria,7 called an apostle. He is thought by some8 to be the same Clement the apostle Paul speaks of, in Philippians 4:3, as one of his fellow-laborers. He wrote an epistle in the name of the church at Rome to the church at Corinth, about9 the year 69, which is the earliest piece of antiquity next to the writings of the apostles extant, being written when some of them were living, even before the apostle John wrote his Epistles, and the book of the Revelation, and while the temple at Jerusalem was yet standing. In this epistle are several things relating to the doctrine of election, and which greatly serve to confirm it. For,

1. Agreeable to the apostolic doctrine, that God worketh all things after the council of his own will (Eph. 1:11), that his purposes shall stand, and that whatsoever he has determined shall come to pass, Clement affirms, that10 "when he wills, and as he wills, he does all things;" kai ouden mh tarelqh twn dedogmatwmenwn upV autou, and that "none of those things which are decreed by him, shall pass away," or be unaccomplished: which shows his sense of the dependency of all things upon the will of God, and of the immutability of his decrees in general.

2. He not only frequently makes mention of persons under the character of the elect of God, but also intimates, that there is a certain, special, and peculiar number of them fixed by him. Speaking of the schism and sedition in the church at Corinth, he represents it11 as what was "very unbecoming, and should be far from toij eklektoij tou Qeou, the elect of God." And elsewhere12 having cited Psalm 18:26, he says, "Let us therefore join ourselves to the innocent and righteous, for eisin outoi eklektoi tou Qeou, they are the elect of God;" that is, they appear to be so, these are characters descriptive of them. And in another place,13 enlarging in commendation of the grace of love, he says, "Love knows no schism, is not seditious; love does all things in harmony; pantej oi eklektoi tou Qeou, all the elect of God are made perfect in love:" which agrees with what the apostle says of them, that they are chosen to be holy and without blame before him in love (Eph. 1:4). Moreover, Clement observes,14 to the praise of the members of the church of Corinth, to whom he writes, that formerly their "contention was night and day for the whole brotherhood, that ton ariqmon twn eklektwn autou, the number of his elect might be saved, with mercy and a good conscience." And elsewhere15 he says, that "God chose the Lord Jesus Christ, and us by him, eij laon periousion, for a peculiar people."

3. Whereas the apostle Paul, writing to the Ephesians, says; Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings, in heavenly places, in Christ; according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation oaf the world (Eph. 1:3, 4), we conclude from hence, that from all eternity there was a preparation of spiritual blessings made; and agreeably, Clement, our apostolical writer, has these words; "Let us therefore consider,16 brethren, out of what matter we are made; who and what we were when we came into the world, as out of the grave and darkness itself; who, having made and formed us, brought us into his world proetoimasaj taj euergesiaj autou prin hmaj gennhqhnai, having first prepared his good things for us, before we were born."

4. This very ancient writer plainly intimates, that the special and spiritual blessings of grace are peculiar to the elect of God; and that it is the stable and unalterable will of God, that his chosen ones should partake of them: particularly repentance, and remission of sins: for having mentioned those words in Psalm 32:1, 2, Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered; Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile; he observes,17 that this blessedness comes upon, or belongs unto, touj eklelegmenouj upo tou Qeou, those that are chosen of God by Jesus Christ our Lord." And in another place,18 having taken notice of some general instances, declarations, and exhortations, encouraging men to repentance, suggests, that God’s design herein, was to bring to repentance such as were interested in his love; his words are these; "Therefore He (that is, God), being desirous that pantaj touj agaphtaj autou, all his beloved ones should partake of repentance, confirmed it by his almighty will." That is, God, not willing, as the apostle Peter says, that any of his beloved ones should perish, but that all of them should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), fixed it by an unchangeable decree, that they should come to repentance; and therefore makes use of the above declarations and exhortations as means to bring them to it.

5. As the Scriptures always ascribe the act of election to God, and not men, and represent it as made in Christ, and by or through Him (Eph.1:4, 5); that he was first chosen as a head, and the elect as members in him; so Clement speaks19 of God as he oeklexamenoj ton Kurion Iesoun Criston kai hmaj di auton, who hath chosen the Lord Jesus Christ, and us by him;" and of the elect as chosen upw tou Qeou dia Iesou Cristou tou Kuriou hmwn, of God through Jesus Christ our Lord; and exhorts men20 to come to God in holiness of soul, lifting up pure and undefiled hands unto him, loving our mild and merciful Father, oj hmaj ekloghj meroj epoihsen eautw, "who hath made us a part of the election for himself."

Section 2—Ignatius. A.D. 110.

Ignatius was made bishop of Antioch, A.D. 71, according to Alsted,21 and suffered martyrdom according to some,22 in the eleventh year of Trajan, and according to others,23 in the nineteenth year of that Emperor, A.D. 116. There are several epistles written by him still extant; among which is an Epistle to the Ephesians, and is thus inscribed:24 "Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, To the blessed in the greatness of God the Father and fullness; th prowrismenh pro aiwnwn to the predestinated before ages, that is, before the world began; always to be a glory, abiding, immoveable, united and chosen in the true passion by the will of God the Father, and Jesus Christ our God; to the church, worthily blessed, which is in Ephesus of Asia, much joy in Christ Jesus, and in the unblemished grace." In which, besides the doctrines of Christ’s Deity, and the saints perseverance, may be observed that of eternal predestination to grace and glory. In his epistle to the Magnesians,25 he speaks of two sorts of persons, signified by "two pieces of money; the one belongs to God, and the other to the world; which have each their own characters upon them, and every one shall go eij ton idion topon, to his own place;" which Barnabas, the companion of the apostle Paul, calls, in his epistle,26 wrismenon topon, "the anointed place;" for as wicked men, such as Judas, go to their own place, which is no other than hell-fire, prepared for the devil and his angels; so good men go to their own place, appointed by God for them, which is the kingdom, prepared for them from the foundation of the world, an which Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna, and disciple of the apostle John, calls27 ton ofeilomenon autoij topon, "the place that is due unto them, not by works, but of grace." And here it may be proper to insert a passage out of an epistle28 which the church of Smyrna, of which Polycarp was bishop, and to whom Ignatius wrote, one of his epistles, declaring, that when "the executioner sheathed his sword in Polycarp, such a quantity of blood came out as quenched the fire; and the whole multitude wondered that there was such a difference metaxu twn te apistwn kai twn eklektwn, between the infidels and the elect."

Section 3—Justin. A.D. 150.

Justin, called the Martyr, to distinguish him from others of the same name, was a native of Samaria; he was born A.D. 89, was brought up a philosopher, afterwards became a Christian, and suffered martyrdom in the third year of M. Aurelius Antonius, and L. Verus, A.D. 163.29 Several of his writings continue to this day, in which may be observed:

1. That he ascribes to God an eternal and universal prescience of future events; upon which proceed depredictions in the sacred writings. He asserts that God foreknew who would be good or bad, who would repent and believe, and who not, and who will be saved or damned; all which, as it perfectly agrees with the word of God, so with our sentiments. Justin no where says, that God foreknew that any would be good, repent, and believe of themselves, without his grace, by the mere strength of nature; and that he chose any to glory and happiness upon such a foresight of their good works, repentance, and faith: much less that he chose them to grace upon a prescience of these things; and, indeed, no man in his senses would say, that God chose man to faith upon a foresight of faith; but lest what this author has said should be thought to militate against us, we will produce the several passages. Addressing himself30 to Trypho the Jew, he thus speaks: "None of you, as I think, will dare to say, oti me kai prognostes ton ginesthai mellonton en kai estino Theos, kai ta axia ekasto proetoimazon, that God was not, and is not, foreknowing of what shall be done, or afore prepares not things fitting for every one." And elsewhere,31 alethesteroi oi apo ton ethnon kai pistoteroi proeginoskonto, "the more true and faithful among the Gentiles, were foreknown;" that is, it was foreknown by God, that many of them would be so. Hence the prophets, under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, foretold, that they would believe in Christ, when "the Jews and Samaritans, who had the word delivered them from God by the prophets, and were always expecting the Messiah, knew him not when he came; plhn oligwn tinwn, excepting some few, whom the holy prophetic Spirit, by Isaiah, proeipe swqhsesqai, foretold should be saved; who, personating them, said, Except the Lord had left us a seed, we had been as Sodom and Gomorrah." He has, indeed, this observation,32 and it is a very good one, "that when we assert that what is foretold by the prophets shall be done, we do not say, that it shall be done by the necessity of fate, alla prognostou tou Theou outos ton mellonton upo panton anthropon prachthesesthai, but that God foreknows things future, that shall be done by all men." So having cited Isaiah 33:18,33 he says, "that the people who were foreknown to believe in him (Christ) oti laos o eis auton pisteuein proegnosmenos, should meditate the fear of the Lord, was also foreknown, the very words of the prophecy declare." And in another place,34 says he; "I am able to show, that all the things appointed by Moses were types, symbols, and declarations of what should be done to Christ; kai ton eis auton pisteuein proegnosmenon, and of them that were foreknown to believe in him: and likewise of those things that were to be done by Christ." And elsewhere,35 speaking of the punishment of devils and wicked men, which is at present deferred by God for the sake of men, gives this as the reason of it: proginoskei gar tinas en me tanoias sothesesthai mellontas, kai tinas medepo isos gennethentas; "for he foreknew that some would be saved through repentance; and, perhaps, some not yet born:" for at first he made mankind intelligent, and able to choose the truth, and to do well; so that all "men are left without excuse by God."

2. Justin asserts, that God not only foreknows that some will be saved, and others damned, but that he has afore prepared salvation for some persons, and punishment for others. Speaking36 of the sufferings of Christians for the sake of Christ, he has these words; which, says he, we bear, that we may not "with our voice deny Christ, by whom we are called eij swthrian thn prohtoimasmenhn para tou Patroj hmwn, unto the salvation which is before prepared by our Father." And in another place,37 treating of Christ as the Angel of the great counsel, according to the Septuagint version of Isaiah 9:6, he thus speaks: "The great things, ebebouleuto o Pathr, which the Father hath in his counsel appointed for all men," that are or shall be well-pleasing to him, and likewise those that depart from his will, whether angels or men, he only (Christ) hath most clearly taught, Matthew 8:11, 12, and 7:22, 23; and in other words, when he will condemn the unworthy that shall not be saved, he will say to them, "Go ye into outer darkness, which the Father hath prepared for Satan and his angels." He elsewhere,38 indeed well observes, "that it is not the fault of God, oi proginwskomenoi kai genhsomenoi adikoi, that those who are foreknown, and shall be unrighteous, whether angels or men, that they are wicked; but it is through their own fault that every one is such as he appears to be." And a little further, he adds, "Wherefore if the word of God intimates beforehand that some angels and men shall be punished, because that proeginosken autous ometabletous genesomenous ponerous, he foreknew that they would be immutably wicked;" it has foretold these things, but not that God has made them such; seeing, if they repent, all, boulomenoi, that are willing to obtain the mercy of God may. To which we heartily agree. We say that God makes no man wicked, but he makes himself so; that neither the foreknowledge of God, nor his decrees, necessitate men to sin; and that God damns no man, nor has he decreed to damn any but for sin; and that whoever is truly desirous of the grace and mercy of God, may obtain it through Christ.

3. This ancient and valuable Christian writer not only speaks of the people of God under the title and appellation of the elect, as he does at the close of an epistle39 of his to some persons for whom he prays, that "the Lord of glory, who exists for ever, would give to them all to enjoy honor and rest meta twn eklektwn, with the elect;" but he also speaks of them as a special people, selected out of every nation, and as a fixed number to be completed. In one place, disputing with Trypho the Jew, he has these words:40 "God, out of all nations, took your nation to himself, a nation unprofitable, disobedient, and unfaithful; thereby pointing out touj apo pantov genouj airoumenouj, those that are chosen out of every nation to obey his will, by Christ, whom also he calls Jacob, and names Israel." And addressing himself to the same Jew, he says,41 "In all these discourses I have brought all my proofs out of your holy and prophetic writings, hoping that some of you may be found ek tou kata charin ten apo tou Kuriou sabaoth perileieiphthentos eis ten aionion soterian, of the number which through the grace that comes from the Lord of Sabaoth, is left or reserved to everlasting salvation." And in another treatise of his he observes,42 that "God introduced Christ into heaven after his resurrection from the dead, and detains him there until he has smitten his enemies the devils, kai suntelesthe o arithmos ton proegnosthenon auto aga non ginomenon kai enareton, and the number of them that are foreknown by him to be good and virtuous is completed; di otv, for whose sake he has not yet made the determined consummation." Which perfectly agrees with the doctrine of the apostle Peter, and gives light into the sense of his words in 2 Peter 3:9, where the same reason is given for the deferring of Christ’s coming to judgment. There is but one passage out of Justin produced by Dr. Whitby43 in opposition to the doctrine of absolute election, and that properly belongs to the article of free will under which it will be considered.

Section 4—Minutius Felix. A.D. 170.

Minutius Felix was a famous counselor at Rome; according to Monster Daille,44 he was contemporary with Fronto the orator who lived in the times of Antoninus Pius, which emperor died A.D. 161, and, following him, I have placed him in the year as above; though by others he is commonly put at the beginning of the third century. He wrote a dialogue between Caecilius a heathen, and Octavius a Christian, which is entitled Octavius, and is still in being. In this dialogue Caecilius the heathen objects to the Christians, thus,45 Nam quicquid agimus, ut alii fato, ita vos Deo addicitis; sic sectae vestrae non spontaneos cupere sed electos. Igitur iniquam judicem fingitis, qui sortem in hominibus puniat, non voluntatem; that is, "Whatsoever we do, as others ascribe it to fate, so you to God; and so men desire your sect not of their own accord, but as elect; wherefore you suppose an unjust judge, who punishes in men lot or fortune, and not the will." To this Octavius replies,46 Nec de fato quisquam aut solatium captet aut excuset eventum. Sit fortis (sortis, Ed. Oxon. 1662) fortunae, mens tamen libera est et ideo actus hominis, non dignitas judicatur. Quid enim aliud est fatum, quam quod de unoquogue Deus fatus est? Qui cum possit praescire materiam, pro meritis el qualitatibus singulorum etiam fata determinat, ita in nobis non genitura plectitur, sed ingenii natura punitur; that is, "No man may either take any comfort from fate, or excuse an event; for let it be of lot or fortune, yet the mind is free, and therefore the act and not the worth of the man is judged of. For what else is fate, but what God says of every one of us? Who, since he can foreknow matter, even determines the fates according to the merits and qualities of every one; so that not our nativity (that is, as depending on the position of the stars) but our natural disposition is punished." From whence I observe,

1. That there was a doctrine held by the Christians in those times, which seemed to have some affinity with, and to bear some likeness to, the stoical fate, or Caecilius could not have thus objected with any face; nor does this objection appear to be altogether groundless, as many of his certainly were, since Octavius, in his reply, does not deny the doctrine of fate rightly understood, though he would not have men shelter themselves under it, and excuse their actions on the account of it; nay, he does not reject the use of that word, but explains it in a Christian sense, saying, "What is fate, but what God says, or determines, concerning every one of us?" Now no doctrine, but that of predestination, as held by such who are called Calvinists, can be thought to bear any likeness to the doctrine of fate, or be liable to the like objections; wherefore it is, reasonable to conclude, that the same doctrine was generally taught and received by the Christians then as it is by them that hold it now, since the same charge is brought against it.

2. That the saints in those times went under the name of the elect; and that it was a current opinion among them, that men were converted to the Christian religion, and were brought into fellowship and society with the Christians, not by the power of their own free will, but in consequence of electing grace; and therefore Caecilius upbraids them as coveting the Christian sect, and joining themselves to it, non spontaneos, "not of their own accord," sed electos, "but being the elect."

3. What farther confirms this, that the doctrine of predestination was then received among the Christians, is, that Caecilius goes on to charge the Christian hypothesis with making God unjust; since he must punish men not for what they voluntarily do, but for what they cannot help, for that which is allotted and determined for them to do; which contains the whole strength of what is now objected to the doctrine of absolute reprobation, and what it was of old charged with, even in the apostles’ times, What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? (Rom. 9:14.)

4. The latter part of Octavius’s reply is indeed produced by the Arminians, as militating against the absolute decrees of God; but without any just reason, since there is nothing in it that is inconsistent with them. We readily own that God can and does foreknow whatever is or shall be; and that according to the qualities of men, he determines their fates, the issues of things, their salvation or damnation, for we say, that "God decreed to damn no man but for sin; and that he appointed none to salvation but through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth;" or in other words, that God foreknowing the faith and repentance of his elect, because he had determined to give them to them, he appoints them to salvation, through them as means; and foreknowing the sin, final impenitence, and unbelief of the rest, he appoints them to damnation; though these things are to be considered not as causes of predestination, quoad actum volentis, with respect to the will of God; but quoad res volitas, with respect to the things willed. Dr. Twisse, who well understood this controversy, and was an able defender of the absolute decrees of God, agrees with every thing that Octavius here says: "As to that of Minutius Felix," says he,47 "we deny that God doth sortem in hominibus punire, non voluntatem. We do not say, genitura plectitur; we say, that in every one who is punished by God, igenii natura punitur; we confess, that fatum illud est, quod de unoquoque Deus fatus est; and that promeritis el singulorum qualitatibus etiam fata determinat."

Section 5—Irenaeus. A.D. 180.

Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp, and an auditor of Papais, who were both disciples of the apostle John; he was first a presbyter under Pothinus, bishop of Lyons, in France, and when he died, who suffered martyrdom48 about A.D. 178, he succeeded him as bishop of that place, and became a martyr about49 A.D. 198. He wrote five books against the heresies of the Valentinians and Gnostics, which remain to this day; from whence may be gathered his sense concerning the decrees of God. And,

1. It is evident, that he believed that all things are predetermined by God, and are overruled by him for the good of his church and people; yea, that even the fall of man is used to their advantage; for he says,50 that God has shown the greatness of his mind in the apostasy of man, for man is taught by it;" as the prophet says "Thy backslidings shall reform thee." Prefiniente Deo omnia ad hominis perfectionem. "God predetermining all things for the perfection of man, and for the bringing about and manifestation of his dispositions, that goodness may be shown, and righteousness perfected, and the church be conformed to the image of his Son, and at length become a perfect man, and by such things be made ripe to see God, and enjoy him."

2. He asserts a preparation of happiness for some, and of punishment for others, upon the prescience or foreknowledge of God; his words are these:51 Deus autem omnia praesciens utrisque aptas praeparavit habitationes, etc. "God foreknowing all things, has prepared for both suitable habitations;" for them who seek after the light of incorruptibility, and run unto it, he bountifully gives that light which they desire; but for others that despise it, and turn themselves from it, and avoid it, and as it were blinding their own selves, he hath prepared darkness fitting for such who are against the light, and for those who shun being subject to it, he has "provided proper punishment." It is true, he puts this upon the prescience of God, foreknowing the different characters and actions of men; and therefore Vossius,52 and Dr. Whitby,53 from him, have produced this passage, with others, to prove, that the fathers before Austin held, that God predestinated men to live from a prescience that they would live piously; but I think it may very well be understood, in a sense entirely consistent with the doctrine of predestination, as maintained by us; for we readily own, that God foreknew who would live piously, and seek after the light of life, because he determined to give them that grace which should enable them so to do, and therefore prepared mansions of light and glory for them; and, to use Irenaeus’s own phrase, benigne donans, of his own grace and goodness liberally and bountifully gives that light unto them which they desire, and he has prepared for them. On the other hand, he foreknew who would despise, and shun the light, and blind themselves yet more and more; because he determined to leave them to themselves, to their native blindness, darkness, and ignorance, which they love; and accordingly prepared regions of darkness, as a proper punishment for them. For,

3. He speaks of a certain number of persons chosen to eternal life, and of God’s giving up others to, and leaving them in their unbelief, in much such language as we usually do. Treating of the doctrine of the resurrection, he has these words,54 "God is not so poor and indigent as not to give to every body its own soul as its proper form. Hence plerothentos ton arithmou ou autos par auto proorise, pantes oi engrapheetes eis zoen anastesontai, having completed the number which he before determined with himself, all those who are written, or ordained unto life, shall rise again, having their own bodies, souls, and spirits, in which they pleased God; but those who are deserving of punishment shall go into it, having also their own souls and bodies in which they departed from the grace of God." And in another place,55 having cited several passages of Scripture which respect the blinding and hardening of the heart of Pharaoh, and others, such as Isaiah 6:9, 10, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Romans 1:28, 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12, which are commonly made use of in handling the doctrine of reprobation, he thus descants upon them, "If therefore now, as many as God knows, will not believe, since he foreknows all things, tradidit eos infidelitati eorum, he hath given them up to their infidelity, "and turns his face from them," relinquens eos in tenebris, "leaving them in the darkness which they have chosen for themselves;" is it to be wondered at, that he then "gave up Pharaoh, who would never believe, with them that were with him, to their own infidelity?" And elsewhere,56 having mentioned the words in Romans 9:10-12, so frequently urged in this controversy, he has this observation upon them, "from hence it is manifest, that not only the prophecies of the patriarchs, but the birth of Rebecca, was a prophecy of two people, one greater, the other less; one in bondage, the other free; of one and the same father; one and the same God is ours and theirs, who understands things hidden; qui scit omnia antequam fiant, ‘who knows all things before they come to pass,’ and therefore hath said, Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated."

4. Eternal predestination, or predestination before time, before men have a being, was not unknown to this ancient writer; for in one place he says,57 "being predestinated indeed according to the knowledge of the Father; ut essemus qui nondum eramus, that we might be, who as yet were not, made, or were the beginning of his creation." And not to take any further notice than barely to mention his reading the text in Romans 1:1, Predestinated to the Gospel of God;58 and which after him is so rendered by Origen, Chrysostom, and Theophylact, who understand it not of the vocation of Paul to the apostleship, but of his eternal election, and the pre-ordination of him of old, before he was born.

5. He plainly hints at the stability and immovableness of the decree of election, when he calls it, turris electionis, "the tower of election;" for why should he call it a tower, but because it is impregnable and immoveable, because "the purpose of God, according to election, is that foundation which stands sure, not of works, but of him that calleth?" For having taken notice of some passages of the prophets, he thus says,59 "These thingsthe prophets declaring required the fruit of righteousness, but the people not believing, at last he sent his own Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: whom, when the wicked husbandmen had killed, they cast out of the vineyard; wherefore the Lord God hath delivered it to other husbandmen, who render him the fruits in their seasons; not now walled about, but spread throughout the whole world; turre electionis exaltata ubique et speciosa, "the tower of election being every where exalted and glorious." That is, if I understand him right, the election obtained every where, or electing grace took place, not in Judea only, as heretofore, but in all the nations of the world; for it follows, "every where the church is famous, every where a winepress is dug, and every where there are some that receive the Spirit."

There are two passages cited from Irenaeus by Dr. Whitby,60 as militating against the doctrines of absolute election and reprobation, but both of them respect the doctrine of free will; and it must be owned, that there are some things dropped by this writer, which, upon first reading them, seem to favor that doctrine, and will be considered in their proper place.

Section 6—Clements Alexandrinus. A.D. 190.

Clement of Alexandria, of an heathen philosopher became a Christian, was a presbyter of the church at Alexandria, and, after Pantaenus, was master of the school in that place.61 Several of his works are still extant, some of which were written a little after the death of Commodus the emperor, which, according to Clement62 himself, was A.D. 194, but according to the vulgar æra, A.D. 192,63 in which,

1. He clearly asserts the doctrine of election in many places, for he not only speaks of the people of God, under the character of elect; as when from a book called Pastor, the author of which was Hermas, and thought to be the same the apostle Paul makes mention of Romans 16:14, he says,64 "that virtue which holds the church together is faith, by which oi eklektoi tou Qeou, "the elect of God are saved." And in another place,65 "the generation of them that seek him is, to genoj to eklekton, "the elect nation." And elsewhere,66 "not the place, but to aqroisma twn eklektwn, "the congregation of the elect, I call the church." I say, he not only speaks often after this manner, but of them as a special, distinct number, predestinated and chosen of God, whom it is his will to save; accordingly he says,67 "as his will is his work, and this is called the world, so his will is the salvation of men, kai touto ekklhsia kekletai, "and this is called the church." And again,68 "If they also had known the truth, they would have all leaped into the way, ekloge de ouk an en, "and there would have been no election." And in another place,69 "It is not convenient that all should understand, that is, the meaning of the scriptures, lest taking the things which are wholesomely said by the Holy Spirit, otherwise, they should prove hurtful; wherefore tois eklektois ton anthropon, "to those that are chosen from among men," and to them that are through faith admitted to knowledge, the holy mysteries of the prophecies which are preserved are hid in parables." And elsewhere,70 "according to the fitness which every one has, He, that is, God, distributes his benefits both to the Greeks and to the Barbarians; kai tois ek touton proorismenois, "and to them who are predestinated from among them, and are in his own time called, faithful, and elect."

2. It is evident that Clement held, that the predestination of men to everlasting life was from eternity, or before the world began, as appears from the following passages; having cited Jeremiah 1:5, 7, Do not say, I am a child; before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee, etc., his note upon it is,71 "this prophecy intimates unto us, tous pro kataboles kosmou eis pistin egnosmenous Theo, "that those who before the foundation of the world are known by God unto faith; that is, are appointed by him to faith, are now babes, because of the will of God lately fulfilled, as we are new-born unto vocation and salvation." Yea, he says, that the Christians were before the world was; for speaking of several nations who boasted of antiquity, he observes,72 that "none of them was before this world; but pro de tes tou kosmou kataboles emeis, "verily we were before the foundation of the world, who, that we ought to be, were first born in God;" we are the rational formations of God the Word, di on archaizomen, "by whom we have antiquity; for the Word was in the beginning;" which must be meant of their being chosen in Christ from everlasting. And in another place,73 "It is not becoming, that a friend of God, on proorisen o Theos pro kataboles kosmou eis ten akran egkatalegenai uiothesian, "whom God has predestinated before the foundation of the world, to be put into the high adoption of children, should fall into pleasures or fears, and be unemployed in repressing the passions." And elsewhere,74 "what voice should he expect, who according to his purpose knows, ton eklekton kai pro tes geneseos, the elect even before his birth, and that which shall be, as though it was?" To which I shall add one passage more, where he says,75 that "such are gathered together by one Lord tous ede katatetagmenous, ous proorisen o Theos dikaious esomenou pro kateboles kosmou egnokos, who are already ordained, whom God hath predestinated, knowing before the foundation of the world that they would be righteous." This passage is indeed referred to by Dr. Whitby,76 in favor of a conditional, and against absolute predestination; but Clement might very well say, agreeable to the absolute scheme, that God predestinated men to glory, knowing they would be righteous; because he ordained them to be righteous, and determined to make them so. He does not say, that he foreknew that they would be righteous of themselves, and therefore predestinated them to happiness, which only would serve the conditional scheme. Besides, neither he, nor any of the ancients, ever said, that God foreknowing men would be righteous, predestinated them to be so; but foreknowing they would be righteous, because he determined they should be, he predestinated them to happiness.

There are two or three more passages of this writer referred to by Dr. Whitby,77 as opposing the doctrine of absolute election and reprobation, which, as has been before observed concerning some others, from Justin and Irenaeus, more properly belong to the doctrine of free will; and if Clement has said some things which look that way, it need not be much wondered at, since both he and his master Pantaenus had been addicted to the stoic philosophy; which they might find some difficulty to get clear of, and so might be mixed by them with the Christian scheme, as it is plain it too much was in the school of Alexandria.

Section 7—Tertullian. A.D. 200.

Tertullian was by birth an African, of the city of Carthage, his father was a Proconsular Centurion; he flourished in the times of Severus, and Antoninus Caracalla, about the beginning of the third century. He was a presbyter of the church, and one of the first of the Latin writers among the Christians. He wrote much, and many of his works remain to this day,78 in which we have at least some hints of his being acquainted with the doctrines of election and reprobation. In one of his books,79 speaking of the different crowns which men of different orders were honored with, he addresses the Christian after this manner, "But thine order and thy magistracy, and the name of thy court is the church of Christ: thou art his, conscriptus in libris vitae, written in the books of life." And in another place,80 treating of heretics, he says, their were wits of spiritual wickedness, with whom we and the brethren wrestle; the necessary articles of faith merit our contemplation, ut electi manifestentur, ut reprobi detegantur; that the elect may be manifested, that the reprobate may be detected." And elsewhere,81 having cited Isaiah 40:5, 6, he makes this remark, "he distinguishes the issues of things, not substances; for who does not place the judgment of God in a twofold sentence of salvation and punishment? Wherefore all flesh is grass, quae igni destinatur, which is appointed to the fire, and all flesh shall see the salvation of God; quae saluti ordinatur, which is ordained to salvation." And as he says upon another account,82 "there can be no election without reprobation." He has indeed a passage, which seems to make election dependent upon the works of men; his words are these,83 "What man is there without sin that God should always choose him whom he never could refuse? Or who likewise without any good work, that God should always refuse him, whom he never could choose? Show a man that is always good, and he will not be refused; show one that is always evil, and he will never be chosen." Hence the learned Scultetus84 charges him with being erroneous in the doctrine of predestination. But this is but a single passage, and seems only to regard the different dispensations of divine providence towards good and bad men, on account of which God was censured by the Marcionites, and charged with levity and inconstancy, and not an election to grace and glory.

Dr. Whitby85 has a single reference to this writer, which, as the rest that have been before observed, falls under the head of free will, and will be there considered with them.

Section 8—Origenus Alexandrinus. A.D. 230.

Origen86 of Alexandria, sometimes surnamed Adamantius, was born about A.D. 185; his father’s name was Leonidas, who suffered martyrdom, A.D. 202. He succeeded Clement in the school of Alexandria, was ordained a presbyter at Caesarea about A.D. 228, and died at Tyre, A.D. 253. He wrote much, and many things are still extant under his name, great part of which are only translations by Rufinus, who took great liberty in altering and interpolating his works; so that it is not easy to know when we read Origen, or when Rufinus. Perhaps many of the errors and mistakes he is charged with may be owing to the ill usage he has met with this way. It is said to be a tenet of his, that souls pre-existed in another state; and that according as they behaved themselves in the other world, they either obtained the order of angels, or were thrust down to the earth, and united to bodies predestinated either to life or death, according to their past merits, which he sometimes calls,87 preceding causes and more ancient ones. This notion of his is mentioned by Jerome,88 and rejected by him; who rightly observes, that men are chosen in Christ, not because they were or had been holy, but that they might be so. Origen’s sentiments on this head were very peculiar, and are not allowed of on either side of the question before us; and therefore passages of this kind are very injudiciously cited by Dr. Whitby,89 in this controversy. Indeed it cannot be denied, but that there are other passages in90 the writings of this father which countenance the doctrine of predestination, upon the foresight of man’s future purposes, desires, and actions in this life, which do not accord with his above notion, and shows either that he contradicts himself, or has not had justice done him. And though one might not expect to meet with any thing in favor of the absolute and unconditional scheme in such a writer, yet there are several things said by him which agree with it. And,

1. He agrees with us in his sentiments of prescience and predetermination in general; he held, that nothing comes by chance, but that all things are appointed by God; yea, that the case of lots is not fortuitous, but according to divine predestination. Thus, speaking of the division of the land of Canaan to the Israelites, he has these words,91 "Upon casting lots the inheritance is distributed to the people of God, and the lot moved, non.616 fortuitu, sed secundum hoc quod praedestinatum est a Deo, "not by chance, but according to what is predestinated by God." His sense of the prescience of God is,92 that "foreknowledge is not the cause of things future, but the truth he says is, that to esomenon aition tou toian di einai ten peri antou prognosin, that a thing being future, is the cause of God’s foreknowledge of it; for not because it is known it is future, but because it will be, therefore it is known." To the same propose he says in another place,93 "Not therefore any thing will be because God knows it to be future, but because it is future it is known by God before it comes to pass." Which entirely accords with what we assert, that God did not decree any thing because he foresaw it, but he foresaw it because he decreed it.

2. He gives plain intimations, as if he thought that there was a certain number of men chosen by God, and given to Christ. By the elect in Matthew 24:30, who will be gathered together from the four winds, he understands94 "all that are loved by God the Father, and preserved in Christ Jesus." God, he says,95 is indeed the God of all, tes ekloges esti Theos, He is the God of the election, and much more of the Savior of the election." And elsewhere mentioning these words in John 17:5. And now, Father, glorify me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was; he makes this observation,96 "the world here is to be understood of our world above the earth, apo gar toutou tou kosmou edoke to uio o pater anthropous, for out of this world the Father hath given men to the Son, for whom alone the Savior prays the Father, and not for the whole world of men." "And again may it be enquired, he says,97 whether all men may be called the servants of this king, or some truly whom he foreknew and predestinated?"

3. He asserts a predestination to grace, and particularly to faith, which is not consistent with predestination, upon a foresight of it. In one of his books he has these words;98 "It seems that the knowledge of God is greater than to be comprehended by human nature, hence are so many mistakes in men concerning God, but by the goodness and love of God to man, and through wondrous and divine grace, the knowledge of God comes epi tous prognosei Theou pronatalephsthentas, to them who were before comprehended in the foreknowledge of God; or, according to the version of Gelenius, who to this were predestinated." And in another part of his works, speaking of the conjunction of angels to men, and their care of them, he says,99 that "an angel begins from the time of a man’s conversion and faith to be joined to prognosthenti kata ton de ton chronon pisteuein kai proristhenti, to him that is foreknown and preordained to believe at that, even at that very time;" which shows that he held, that some are predestinated to believe, and that at a certain time; and so it has been, and is, that as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

4. It is also manifest, from a certain passage of his, that he held that election does not spring from men’s works, but from the mere will and pleasure of God; his words are these;100 "All these things look this way, that the apostle may prove this;" That if either Isaac or Jacob, for their merits, had been chosen to those things which they, being in the flesh sought after, and, by the works of the flesh, had deserved to be justified; then the grace of their merit might belong to the posterity of flesh and blood also, but now, since, electio eorum non ex operibus facta sit, sed ex proposito Dei, ex vocantis arbitro, "their election does not arise from works, but from the purpose of God, from the will of him that calleth;" the grace of the promise is not fulfilled in the children of the flesh, "but in the children of God; that is, such, who likewise, as they, may be ex proposito elegantur, chosen by the purpose of God, and adopted for sons."

Section 9—Caecilius Thascius Cyprianus. A.D. 250.

Cyprian was an African by birth; he was first a Presbyter, and afterwards Bishop of Carthage: he was made Bishop of that place A.D. 248, and suffered martyrdom A.D. 258, under Valerianus and Gallienus. He101 wrote many excellent things, some of which are preserved to this day. The great Augustin thought him to be of the same mind with himself in the doctrine of predestination, which he gathered from those words of his;102 In nullo gloriandum quando nostrum nihil sit; "we must glory, in nothing, since nothing is ours;" according to John 3:27. A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. And 1 Corinthians 4:7, What hast thou, that thou didst not receive? Now, if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory as if thou hadst not received it? Upon which Austin makes this remark;103 "this Cyprian most truly saw, and most confidently asserted; per quod utique praedestinationem certissimam pronunciavit, whereby also he hath pronounced predestination to be most certain:" for if we must glory in nothing, since nothing is ours, neither must we glory truly of our most persevering obedience; nor is that to be said to be so ours, as if it was not given us from above; and that itself therefore is the gift of God; which God foreknew that he would give to his own, who are called with the calling of which it is said, the gifts and calling of God are without repentance, and must be owned by every Christian; haec est igitur praedestinatio, quam fideliter et humiliter praedicamus; "this is therefore the predestination which we faithfully and humbly preach." And a little after, having repeated the same words of Cyprian, his observation is this; "where, says he, without any ambiguity, he declares the true grace of God, that is, which is not given according to our merits, and which God foreknew that he would give; his Cypriani verbis procul dubio praedestinatio praedicata est: in these words of Cyprian, without all doubt, predestination is asserted."

There are some books ascribed to Cyprian, which are called in question by learned men, whether they are his or no, such as those which are entitled, De Disciplina et bono Pudicitiae, and De Cardinalibus Operibus Christi: their style is thought, by Erasmus, not to agree with Cyprian’s; but Pamelus affirms them to be his:104 however, the former of these is allowed to be written by a learned man, and suspected to be done by Cornelius, bishop of Rome, cotemporary with Cyprian; and the latter to be the work, antiqui et docti autoris, "of an ancient and learned author," and thought to be written in the age of Cornelius and Cyprian; though in a very ancient copy in the library of All-Souls college in Oxford, it goes under the name of Arnoldus Bonavillacensis;105 and, therefore, must be the work of far later writer, even of one that lived in the times of Bernard; wherefore, as the genuineness and antiquity of these treatises are questioned, I shall lay no stress upon the testimonies I now produce out of them. In the first of these106 the author exhorts the saints to chastity, from such considerations as these: "Knowing," says he, "that you are the temple of the Lord, the members of Christ, the habitation of the Holy Ghost; electos ad spem, consecratos ad fidem, destinatos ad salutem; elected to hope, devoted to faith, appointed to salvation." And in the latter of these,107 the compiler of it ascribes the several distinct acts of grace to the persons in the blessed Trinity, and among the rest, particularly election to the Father; his words are these: "In this school of divine learning, the Father is he that teaches and instructs, the Son who reveals and opens the secrets of God unto us, and the Holy Spirit who fills and furnishes us. From the Father we receive power, from the Son wisdom, and from the Holy Spirit innocence. Pater eligit, ‘the Father chooses,’ the Son loves, the Holy Spirit joins and unites. By the Father is given us eternity, by the Son conformity to his image, and by the Holy Spirit integrity and liberty." In another place108 he speaks of the elect, as of a certain number that shall be saved, when Christ shall return to judge the world: "When, says he, all mankind collected together, shall see the hands they have pierced, the side they have bored, the face they have spit upon, and the irreversible sentence being openly declared, occurrentibus salvatori electis, ‘the elect meeting the Savior,’ the ungodly shall remain deputed to infinite torments" And, in another part of the same work,109 speaking of the manna in the wilderness, he thus expresses himself: "There was," says he, a full measure "through the whole week, the sabbath-day vacant; for which the preceding sixth day, doubling the quantity of the usual food, prefigured the rest of the eighth day, in which, without labor and care, in deliciis equlabuntur electi, the elect shall feast with delight, and shall be satisfied in their own land; possessing double, being enriched with an happy perpetuity, and a perpetual happiness of body and soul." There is a passage referred to in the true Cyprian, by Dr. Whitby,110 to prove that it is in the power of man believe or not: but since this belongs to the article of freewill, the consideration of it must be deferred till we come to it.

Section 10—Novatianus. A.D. 250.

Novatian,111 a presbyter of Rome, was contemporary with Cyprian. He is not so well spoken of by some, partly because of his disagreement with Cornelius, bishop of Rome, about the succession in that see; and partly because he held that such who apostatized, though they repented, were not to be received again into the communion of the church; but, in other points, he was judged to be orthodox, and his book, De Trinitate, is highly esteemed of; in which stands a full and memorable testimony to the doctrine of predestination of a certain number of men to glory, before the foundation of the world; for, proving the deity and eternity of Christ from John 17:5, Glorify thou me with the glory which I had with thee before the world was, he shows, that this is not to be understood of predestination, or of Christ’s having this glory only in the purpose and decree of God: "For, says he,112 if he is said to be glorious in predestination, and predestination was before the foundation of the world, the order must be kept, and before him there will be, multus numerus hominum in g1oriam destinatus, a large number of men appointed to glory;" for by this appointment Christ will be thought to be lesser than the rest to whom he was pointed out last. For if this glory was in predestination, Christ received this predestination to glory last of all; for Adam will be perceived to be predestinated before, and so Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, and the rest; for since, with God, personarum et rerum omnium ordo digestus sit, "the order of all persons and things is digested," many will be said to be predestinated before this predestination of Christ to glory, and by this means he will appear to be lesser than other men, who is better and greater, and more ancient, than the angels themselves. His meaning is, that if the passage of Scripture cited, is only to be understood of the predestination of Christ to glory, and not of his having a real glory; then since there is a large number of men who also are predestinated to glory before the foundation of the world, whose predestination, as Adam’s, and others after him, cernetur, to use his own word, "will be perceived" before the predestination of Christ; not that the act of their predestination itself was before his, but the manifestation of it in time; it would cast some reflection upon him, and make him look as though he was inferior to other men, as a man.

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Section 11—Athanasius. A.D. 350.

Athanasius was made bishop of Alexandria A.D. 336, and died A.D. 371, who,113 as he bore an excellent testimony to the deity of Christ against the Arians, so he has left ample proof of his attachment to the doctrines of eternal predestination and election, and of a preparation of grace and glory in Christ before the foundation of the world; as will clearly appear from the following passages:114 "The grace of the Savior to us-ward hath appeared of late, as saith the apostle, when he came to us; proetoimasto de aute kai priu genesthai emas, mallon de kai pro tes katabotes tou kosmou, but was ‘prepared before, even before we were, yea, before the foundation of the world;’ the cause of this is, in some respect, kind and astonishing; for it was not proper that God should, usteron peri emon bouleuesthai, afterwards consult concerning us, that it might not appear as if he knew not the things that belong to us; wherefore, the God of the universe creating us by his own word, and knowing our affairs better than we ourselves, and foreknowing, indeed, that we should be made good, but afterwards, become transgressors of the commandment, and for that transgression be cast out of Paradise: he being a lover of mankind, and good, proetoimazei en to idio logo, di ou kai ektisentemas peri tes soteriodous emon oikonomias, before prepared in his own word, by whom he also created us for the economy of our salvation; that though we fall, being deceived by the serpent, we might not utterly remain dead, all’ echontes en to logo ten proetoimasmenen emin lutrosin kai soterian, ‘but, having redemption and salvation before prepared for us in the word, rising again, we might continue immortal." And then, citing those famous and well-known places in scripture (2 Tim. 1:9, 10; Eph. 1:3-5), he proceeds thus: pos oun exelexato prin genesthai emas, ei me, os autos eireken, en outo emen protetupomenoi, pos de olos prin anthropous ktisthenai emas proarisen, etc., "how therefore should he choose us before we were, unless, as he has said, we were before delineated in him? how verily, before men were created, should he predestinate us," unless the Son of himself had been founded before the world was, having undertook the economy of salvation for us? or how, as the apostle says, should we obtain an inheritance, being predestinated, unless the Lord himself was founded before the world was; that he might have a purpose, to receive through the flesh for us, the whole lot of condemnation that was against us, and so we at length might be made alive in him; pos de kai pro chronon aionion elambanomen, mepo gegonotes all’ en chrono gegonotes, eime en to Christo en apokeimene e eis emas phthanousa charis, "or how should we, not yet made, but made in time, receive before the world began, except the grace that is to come unto us had been laid up in Christ?" Wherefore, in the judgment, when every one shall receive according to his deeds, he says, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; pos oun, e en tini prin genesthai emas etoimasthe, ei me to Kurio, "how therefore, or in whom should it be prepared before we were, but in the Lord," who was founded for this before the world was; that we, as stones well fitted together, might partake of life and grace from him? So it is, as any pious man may in some measure understand, that, as I have before said, rising from a death, which is but for a little while, we shall be able to live for ever; which men who are of the earth would never be able to do, ei me pro aionos en troetoimastheisa emin en Christo, e tes zoes kai soterias elpis," if the hope of life and salvation had not been prepared for us in Christ before the world was." And a little after115 adds: "Having life and spiritual blessings prepared, before the world, for us in the word, according to election;" so we can have not a temporary life, but for the future continue alive in Christ.

Moreover, seeing, pro touton, e zoe emon tethemelioto kai etoimaso en Christo, "before these our life was founded and prepared in Christ" (for it was not proper that our life should be founded on any other than in the Lord, who existed before the world was, and by whom the worlds are made,) hence that being in him we shall also inherit eternal life. For God is good, and being always good wills this, knowing that our weak nature needs his help and salvation; and as a wise master-builder, purposing to build a house, is likewise desirous that, should it be destroyed, it might afterwards be repaired again; and willing this, he before provides and gives proper materials for a reparation to the workmen, which is a preparation beforehand. Now, as a fore-preparation of the repair is before the house, ton auton tropon, pro emon e tes emeteras soterian ananeosis themelioutai en Christo, "in like manner, before us the reparation of our salvation is founded in Christ," that in him also we may be created again. Kaie men boule kai e protheois pro tou dionos etoimasthe, "and the will and purpose was indeed prepared before the world was, but the work was done when necessity required and the Savior came." A most noble testimony of antiquity this to the doctrine of eternal predestination in Christ. In another place,116 he shows that our vocation in time is according to an antecedent will of God; his words are these: "For even Paul was not at first, though afterwards he was made an apostle by the will of God; so our calling, which sometimes was not, and now is, proegoumenen eche boulesin, hath a preceding will; for as Paul himself again says, he was made, that is an apostle, according to the good pleasure of his will." And elsewhere,117 he affirms that the foundation of true religion is more ancient than the prophets, and even from eternity; for speaking of the times in which they prophesied he says, "Not that they laid the foundation of godliness, en gar kai pro auton kai aei en, kai pro kateboles kosmou, tauten emin o Theos en Christo proetoimasen, for it was before them, and always was, yea, even before the foundation of the world, this God before prepared for us in Christ." And in another part of his writings,118 where he is giving an account of the epistle to the Ephesians, he observes that "the apostle, in the beginning of it, shows that the mystery respecting us is not new; but that exarches kai kataboles kosmou einia tauten eudoman tou Theou, oste ton Christon uper emon pathein kai emas sothenai, from the beginning, even from the foundation of the world, this was the good will and pleasure of God, that Christ should suffer for us, and that we should be saved." ‘And in his abridgement of the epistle to Titus he has these words:119 "the apostle, says he, in the first place, gives thanks to God for his piety, and signifies that faith in Christ was not a new thing, all’ ex aionos etoimasthe kai epengelthai para tou Theou touten, but that this was from eternity prepared and promised by God." Thus did this brave champion for truth at once both honor the Father and the Son, by asserting the special and early provision of grace, life, and salvation, made in Christ by the Father before the world began; and by proving and maintaining the eternity and proper deity of the Son, his undertaking, from eternity, to suffer for us, and the satisfaction he has made in time for sin, to the justice of God. Dr. Whitby120 refers to one passage in this writer, in favor of free-will, which will be attended to under that article.

Section 12—Hilarius Pictaviensis. A.D. 360.


Hilary, bishop of Poictiers, in France, was banished for his orthodoxy, A.D. 354, and died A.D. 371. It121 appears from his writings which remain, that he held that there is an election of particular persons to the heavenly glory, and that the number of God’s elect is determinate and certain; having cited those words in Isaiah 65:15, which he reads thus, Ye shall have your name with joy to my chosen, he observes,122 that "the speech is to carnal Israel, with respect to time to come, who are upbraided that they should leave their name to the elect of God. I inquire what is that name, to wit, Israel, to whom the word was then? Moreover, I ask, who is Israel now? The apostle truly testifies, that they who are in the Spirit, and not in the letter, who walk in the rule of Christ, are the Israel of God." And having mentioned the text in Deuteronomy 32:9; Jacob is the portion of the Lord, and Israel the lot of his inheritance, he adds;123 "This was chosen to an eternal inheritance; and because he was the Lord’s portion, therefore the rest were reckoned as unknown; for these were chosen by the privilege of the portion;" which must be understood as before, not of literal, but mystical Israel; since they are said to be chosen to an eternal inheritance. And that there is a certain number of persons thus chosen he dearly asserts, when he says,124 "we are all, in one, Abraham: and by us, who are all in one, caelestis ecclesiae numerus explendus, the number of the heavenly church is to be filled up; wherefore every creature waits for the revelation of the children of God; therefore it groans together and grieves, that the number which, by Alpha, is added to Abraham, and which, in Rho, is finished in Sarah, might be filled up by an increase of believers, for the heavenly constitution." And in another place,125 he says, "that this must needs be understood as referring to the people of the church; he adds, I will number them, and above the sand shall they be multiplied. Is their number uncertain, who are written in the book of God? wherefore there is no difficulty in the number of them whose truth remains in writing." Moreover, nothing is more evident, than that this Christian writer though that election is an eternal act of God, or that it was from eternity: for which purpose he frequently cites,126 or refers to the famous passage in Ephesians 1:4. "The Father, says he,127 absolutely calls the Son of God, meaning in Hosea 1:7, just cited by him, in whom he hath chosen us before the world began; and because God is inaccessible by none, we are given to the Son by God the Father for an inheritance." Again, speaking of the will of the Father and the Son, he has these words,128 "that he wills the same, he shows without ambiguity, saying, Father, whom thou has given me, I will that where I am, they may be with me; seeing therefore, the Father wills that we should be with Christ, in whom, according to the apostle, he hath chosen us before the foundation of the world; and the Son wills the same, namely, that we be with him; the will, with respect to nature, is the same, which with respect to nativity, is distinguished in the person willing." Once more, "God, says he,129 is wonderful in the saints, whom, when he shall have made conformable to the glory of his body, by him who is the Mediator, will also assume unto the unity of the Father’s majesty; and whilst the Father is in him by nature, and he again is in us by the society of the flesh, whom he will place to obtain the kingdom prepared for them before the foundation of the world; to whom death being swallowed up, he will give an immortal and eternal life."

Vossius,130 and, after him, Dr. Whitby,131 cites a passage from this father, in favor of God’s predestinating of men to life, from a prescience that they would live piously, believe, and persevere to the end, which is this, "Because many are called and few chosen, therefore, says he,132 there is not a fewness in the invited, but a scarcity in the elect; for in the inviter, without exception, there is the humanity of public goodness: but in the invited, by a right judgment, the election is of probity." To which they might as well have added another passage, occasioned by a citation of the same words, where he says,133 "the elect are conspicuous in the wedding garment, and splendid in the pure and perfect body of the new nativity, meaning the resurrection; wherefore election is not a thing of undistinguished judgment, but the distinction is made from the consideration of merit." By which, as in the other passage, he means not that election he so often speaks of, as before the foundation of the world, but an election in time, after vocation, and indeed, no other than that distinction and separation which will be made at the day of judgment, in the resurrection morn; when the saints will appear distinct from all others, having on the wedding garment, and in their glorious risen bodies; and so will be singled out from the rest, and placed at Christ’s right hand.

Section 13—Basilius Caeariensis. A.D. 370.

Basil, commonly called the Great to distinguish him from others of the same name, was bishop of Caesarea; he died A.D. 378. He held the doctrine of predestination, and asserts, that whatever comes to pass, was foreordained by God. Take care, says he,134 how thou sayest this thing was done by chance, and this comes of its own accord; for ouden atakton, ouden aoriston, nothing is unordained, nothing undetermined, nothing is done in vain, nothing is done rashly." He affirms, that not a hand nor an eye are moved, but according, to the will of God; the time, state, and condition of this present life, he says, are fixed and determined by God; his words are these,135 "Consider, that that God, who has formed us, put the soul into us, idian edoken ekaste psuche tou biou diagogen, has given to every soul its manner of living; and indeed to others he has fixed other terms of removing hence; for he hath appointed this man to abide longer in the flesh, and on the contrary hath decreed, that that man should be sooner loosed from the bonds of the body, according to the unspeakable methods of his wisdom and justice." And he not only maintained a predestination of all things in general, but of particular persons, to eternal salvation; citing those words in John 10:16, Other sheep I have which are not of this fold. He observes,136 that "the Lord is speaking of them, tou apo ton ethnon prooprismenous eis soterian, who from among the Gentiles, are predestinated unto salvation." And upon mentioning the same words a little after,137 he has this following note; "the Lord shows that there is some other fold truly holy, into which the sheep of Christ are to be gathered; namely, they, tous apo ton ethnon proorismenous eis solerian, who, from among the Gentiles are predestinated to salvation; that is, the church in which the true worshippers worship in spirit and in truth." He represents the elect as a particular and distinct people, and as peculiarly blessed. "No man, says he,138 calls the people of the Jews blessed, but the people, ton apo panton ton gaon arisinden exeigmenon, which is chosen best out of all people; we are the nation, of whom the Lord is our God; we are the people whom he has chosen for an inheritance for himself; a nation truly, because we are gathered out of many nations: a people verily, because we are called in the room of a people cast away, and because many are called, and few are chosen; he calls not him that is called, but him that is chosen, blessed; blessed therefore is he whom he hath chosen. What is the cause of this blessedness? the expected inheritance of everlasting good things; or, perhaps, because according to the apostle, after the fullness of the Gentiles shall be come in, then all Israel shall be saved; first, he calls the fullness of the Gentiles blessed, afterwards Israel, who shall be saved last; but not every one shall be saved, only "the remnant which shall be according to the election of grace." And in another place,139 he says, "The blessing of the elect, in the time of retribution, he (Christ) foretold by the parable of the shepherd; Come, says he, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the beginning of the world."

Section 14—Cyrillus Hierosol Ymitanus. A.D. 370.

Cyril, bishop of Jerusalem, died A.D. 386.140 There is but little to be collected out of his writings concerning predestination and election. He signifies, that there are some who are elect, distinct from others, when he says,141 that "the elect may not be mixed together, with enemies, he (Christ) will send his angels with a great trumpet, and they shall gather his elect from the four winds: he did not despise one Lot, should he despise many righteous? Come ye blessed of my Father, will he say to them who shall then be carried in the chariots of clouds, and shall be gathered by the angels." And in another place,142 he says, "the Holy Spirit is the greatest power, it is something divine and unsearchable; for it lives and is rational, sanctifying through Christ, ton upo Theou gegrammenon a patnon, all those who are written by God;" that is, in the book of life, or are chosen by God; which agrees with our doctrine, that all those who are chosen by the Father, and are redeemed by the Son, are sanctified by the Spirit.

Section 15—Gregorius Nazianzenus. A.D. 370.

Gregory, bishop of Nazianzum, in Cappadocia, commonly called the Divine, was son of a bishop, of the same name and place, a cotemporary with Bazil, an intimate acquaintance of his, and preceptor to Jerome.143 He died A.D. 389. Several of his writings still remain. Austin cites a passage from him in favor of the doctrine of predestination, as held and maintained by him; his words are these:144 "To these two (meaning Cyprian and Ambrose) who ought to be esteemed sufficient, we may add a third, the holy Gregory; who testifies, that to believe in God, and to confess that we believe, is the gift of God; saying, we pray you confess the Trinity of one Deity; but if ye mean otherwise, say, that he is of one nature, and God will be deprecated, that a voice may be given you by the Holy Ghost; that is, God will be entreated to permit that a voice may be given you, by which ye may be able to confess what ye believe; for I am sure he will give it. He that hath given the first will also give the second; he that gives to believe will also give to confess." Upon which, and some other testimonies of the above-mentioned writers, Austin makes this remark: "Would any one say, that they so acknowledged the grace of God, as that they dared to deny his prescience; which not only the learned, but even the unlearned own? Besides, if they knew that God so gives these things, that they could not be ignorant, that he foreknew that he would give them, and could not but know to whom he would give them; procul dubio noverant praedestinationem; without doubt they were acquainted with predestination; which being preached by the apostles, we laboriously and diligently defend against the new heretics." Gregory writes, indeed, very sparingly of this doctrine, and gives very few hints of it. The most considerable passage I have met with in him is the following;145 "Three persons gathered together in the name of the Lord, are more esteemed of by God than multitudes that deny his Deity; would you prefer all the Canaanites to one Abraham? or the Sodomites to one Lot? or the Midianites to Moses, even to these sojourners and strangers? what, shall the three hundred men that lapped with Gideon, be inferior to the thousands that turned away? or Abraham’s servants, though less in number, than the many kings and myriads of soldiers, whom they, though few, pursued and put to flight?" How dost thou understand that passage, If the number of the children of Israel was as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved? as also that, I have reserved for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal? It is not so, it is not, ouk en tois pleiosin eudokesen o Theos, "God does not take pleasure in the multitude; thou numberest myriads, but God, tous sozomenous, those that are to be saved; thou the immeasurable dust; but I ta skeue tes ekloges, the vessels of election." From whence may be collected, as Gregory’s judgment, that there were some persons who were chosen of God, and whom he resolved to save; that the number of them was with him, though that number was very small. In another place,146 he speaks of a twofold book of life and of death; "Perhaps you have heard," says he, "tina biblon zonton kai biblon on sozomenon, of a certain book of the living, and of a book of them that are not to be saved, where we shall all be written, or rather are already written." Though it must be owned, he adds kat’ axian ton ede bebaiomenon ekastos, "according to the desert of every one that have already lived." And in the same way he interprets Matthew 20:23, which he reads thus:147 "To sit on my right hand and on my left, this is not mine to give, all oiv dedotai, but to whom IT IS GIVEN;" and goes on to ask, "Is the governing mind therefore nothing? is labor nothing? reason nothing? philosophy nothing? fasting nothing? watching nothing? lying on the ground, shedding fountains of tears, are these things nothing? alla kata tina apoklerosin kai Ieremias agiaxetai kai alloi ek metras allotriountai, ‘but by a kind of sortition was Jeremiah sanctified, and others rejected from the womb?’ I am afraid lest any absurd reasoning should enter, as if the soul lived elsewhere, and was afterwards bound to this body, and, according as it there behaved, some receive prophecy, and others who lived wickedly, are condemned; but to suppose this, is very absurd, and not agreeable to the faith of the church. Others may play with such doctrines; it is not safe for us. And concludes; "To those words, to whom it is given, add to this, who are worthy; who, that they may be such, have not only received of the Father, but have also given to themselves." The notion he here militates against, is manifestly that of Origen’s, of the pre-existence of souls, and their being adjudged according to their former conduct, either to happiness or misery; which Gregory was afraid some might be tempted to give into, and which, in order to guard against, led him into this gloss upon the text, and to make this addition to it.

Section 16—Hilarius Diaconus. A.D. 380.

The Commentaries upon the epistles of the apostle Paul, which go under the name of St. Ambrose, are not his. Austin148 cites a passage out of them, under the name of Hillary, whom he calls Sanctus Hilarius, Saint Hilary; but this could not be Hilary, bishop of Poictiers, before mentioned, who was earlier, nor Hilary bishop of Arles, who was later, than the author of these commentaries: for whoever he was, he lived in the times of Damascus, bishop of Rome, according to his own words;149 wherefore some learned men150 have thought him to be Hilary, the deacon of the city of Rome, who adhered to the schism of Lucifer Calaritanus. This author continually refers such passages of Scripture which speak of predestination and election, to the prescience of God; nothing is more common with him, than to say,151 that God chooses and calls whom he foreknew would believe, would be holy, and devoted to him: which passages are therefore produced by Vossius,152 and Dr. Whitby,153 with others, to prove that the fathers held a predestination of men to life, from a prescience that they would live piously, believe and persevere. If by predestination to glory, and not to grace, which is the meaning of the fathers, and of Hilary, we agree with them; we say also, that such whom God foreknew would believe, and be holy, he predestinated to eternal happiness; but then we say, the reason why God foreknew that any would believe, and be holy, is because he determined within himself to give them faith, and make them holy, and so prepare them for glory. Neither Hilary, nor any of the fathers, say, that God foresaw that men would believe of themselves and make themselves holy by their own care, diligence, and improvements of nature, nor that God foresaw that men would believe, and be holy, and therefore predestinated them to faith and holiness; but having determined to bestow faith and holiness upon them, he foresaw they would believe and be holy, and so through these as means he chose them to salvation. That this is the sense of Hilary, appears partly from his suggesting that some are predestinated to believe. In one place154 he says, "They believe, who are appointed to eternal life;" and in another,155 "God of his own grace, of old decreed to save sinners (for God foreknew what would be in man before he made him, and he had sinned,) and predestinated how he should be recovered; in what time, and by whom, and in what way they might be saved: so that they who are saved, are not saved either by their own merit, or by theirs by whom they are called, but by the grace of God; the gift appears to be bestowed through the faith of Christ." And partly this is evident from his account of prescience: "The prescience of God," says he,156 "is that in which definitum habet, ‘he has it determined’ what shall be the will of every one, in which he is to remain, and through which he may be either damned or crowned." Agreeably to which he says,157 "By prescience he chooses one and rejects another; and in him whom he chooses, the purpose of God remains; because another thing cannot happen than what God has known; et proposuit in illo, ‘and hath purposed in him,’ that he may be worthy of salvation; and in him whom he rejects, in like manner, ‘the purpose which he hath purposed concerning him, remains;’ for he will be unworthy: as foreknowing this, he is no accepter of persons; for ‘he damns no man before he sins, and crowns none before he overcomes.’" To which we heartily subscribe. We say God damns no man but for sin, and crowns none until he has made them more than conquerors, through Christ. It is certain, that Hilary or the author of these commentaries, was of opinion, that there were some predestinated to life who should certainly be saved; and that others were not, who should certainly be damned; for he says,158 "The apostle Paul, that he might, by his preaching, save, homines predestinatos ad vitam, ‘men predestinated to life,’ was subject to dangers, knowing that he should have the profit of their sought for salvation." In another place159 he says, "For unbelievers we must not very much grieve, qui non sunt predestinati ad vitam, ‘because they are not predestinated unto life;’ for the prescience of God has, of old, decreed, that they are not to be saved." And in another place,160 "The law being abbreviated, the remnant of the Jews are saved; but the rest cannot be saved; qui per defintionem, Dei spernuntur, ‘because, by the appointment of God they are rejected,’ by which he hath decreed to save mankind." Again, he says,161 the apostle Paul, "by his own example, teacheth, that part of Israel is saved, whom God foreknew was to be saved, or yet can be saved; and that part of Israel, propter jugem diffidentiam perditioni deputatem, ‘for their continual unbelief, is deputed to destruction.’"

Section 17—Ambrosius Mediolanensis. A.D. 380.

Ambrose, bishop of Milain, flourished under the emperors Gratian and Theodosius, and died A.D. 397. Austin,162 who was converted under him, and was acquainted with him personally, as well as with his writings, thought him to be of the same judgment with himself about predestination, and cites163 several passages from him for that purpose, such as these;164 "Whom God esteems worthy of honor he calls, et quem vult religiosum facit, ‘and whom he pleases he makes religious.’" And again; "If he would, si voluisset ex indevotis devotos fecisset, of persons not devoted to him, he could make them devoted." From whence he concludes, that he could be no stranger to the doctrine of predestination, preached by the apostles, and which he defended. Moreover, there are many expressions in his writings which show his sense of this doctrine: on those words of Sarah, The Lord hath restrained me from bearing, he has this note;165 "By which," says he, "you may know, in predestinatione fuisse semper ecclesiam Dei, ‘that in predestination the church of God always has been;’ and that the fruitfulness of faith is prepared, whenever the Lord shall command it to break forth, but by the will of the Lord it is reserved for a certain time." He166 owns indeed, that "rewards are proposed not to the elect only, but to all, because Christ is all and in all." But he affirms,167 that though "all men can hear, yet all cannot perceive with their ears, nisi electi Dei, ‘only the elect of God;’ therefore the Savior says, He that hath ears to hear—all men have not those ears." To electing grace, and not to men’s works, he refers salvation; "the remnant, he observes,168 are saved, not by their own works, but by the election of grace." He sometimes, indeed, represents election as a secret with God, and unknown to men: "As no one," he says,169 "of whatsoever age, ought to despair, if he is desirous of being converted to the Lord, so none should be secure on the account of faith alone; but should rather fear, through what is added, many are called but few are chosen. That we are called by faith, we know; but whether we are elected to eternal life, we know not; so much, therefore, ought every one to be the more humble, as much as he is ignorant, whether he is elected." However, this proves that he held the doctrine of an election of particular persons; and at other times he argues from it, to the great comfort of the saints, with respect to their safety and security. "We must not despair," says he,170 "that the members can cleave to their own head, especially since ab initio simus praedestinati, we are predestinated from the beginning, unto the adoption of the children of God, by Jesus Christ, in himself; which predestination he hath proved, asserting that which from the beginning is before declared, Therefore shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they both shall be one flesh, to be the mystery of Christ and the church."

There is a passage cited from this father by Vossius,171 and from him by Dr. Whitby,172 as asserting predestination upon the prescience of men’s merits; where, explaining the text in Matthew 20:23, To sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, he has this note;173 "He does not say, it is not mine to give, but it is not mine to give to you; not asserting that he wanted power, but the creature’s merit. Take it otherwise: It is not mine to give you; that is, it is not mine, who came to teach humility; it is not mine, who came not to be ministered unto, but to minister; it is not mine, who keep righteousness, not grace. Moreover, referring to the Father, he adds, to whom it is prepared; that he might show, that the Father also does not use to pay regard to petitions, but to merits, for God is no accepter of persons. Hence the apostle said, whom he hath foreknown and predestinated; for he did not predestinate before he foreknew; sed quorum merita praescivit, eorum premia praedestinavit, ‘but whose merits he hath foreknown, their rewards he hath predestinated.’" But nothing is more evident than that Ambrose is speaking of predestination to glory, which glory he calls by the name of rewards; and we grant, that this follows upon prescience of merits; that is, good works done from a principle of grace; but then the prescience of these arises from God’s predestination to grace to enable men to perform them, and not predestination to grace from a prescience of merits; for then grace must be given according to merits; a doctrine never known by the ancients before the times of Pelagius. In short, Ambrose’s sense is this, and to which we agree, that those whose merits or good works God foreknew, because he had preordained, that they should walk in them, and as arising from that grace he determined to give them; these he predestinated unto glory, or prepared, rewards, of grace for them, which he will certainly bestow on them.

Section 18—Joannes Chrysostomus. A.D. 390.

John of Antioch, usually called Chrysostom, or Golden Mouth, from his uncommon eloquence, was bishop of Constantinople: he led in exile at Comma, A.D. 407. Several174 volumes of his writings still remain. That he held the doctrine of eternal predestination, will a pear from the sense he gives of several places of Scripture relating to this point. That famous passage in Acts 13:48, As many as were ordained unto eternal life believed; which some, of late, would have understood of the disposition of men’s minds unto eternal life, Chrysostom175 interprets of God’s appointment, or determination of men unto it; "As many as were ordained to eternal life, toutestin, aphorismenoi tou Theou, that is, says he, ‘who were separated or appointed by God’" unto it. And where the apostle Paul says, that he was SEPARATED unto the gospel of God, he has this note upon it;176 "To me here he seems not only to intimate ten apoklerosin, ‘a choice by lot’" (such, I suppose, he means, as was Matthias’s,) all’ oti palai kai anothen pros touto en tetagmenos, "but that he was of old, and from above, ordained to this; as Jeremy says, that God said concerning him, Before thou camest out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and ordained thee a prophet unto the nations;" and upon that well-known text in Ephesians 1:4, according as he hath chosen us in him, he has these words;177 "What is the meaning of this, he hath chosen us in him? Through faith in him, Christ, he says, has rightly ordered this, prine genesthai emas, mallon de prin e ton kosmou katablethenai; ‘before we were born, or rather before the world was founded.’" And on these words,178 Come, ye blessed of my Father, etc. he makes this observation; "What honor! what blessedness do these words contain! for he does not say, receive, but inherit, as your property, as your Father’s, as yours, as due to you from above; prin e gar umas genesthai, tauta umin etoimason kai pro eutrepiso, ‘for before you were born, these things were prepared and made ready for you,’ says he; ‘for I knew you would be such.’" On the account of the last clause, this passage, with some others, is cited by Vossius,179 and, after him, by Dr. Whitby,180 to show that Chrysostom, with other fathers, held predestination according to prescience; which is not denied; the other passages are these: "This did not happen simply," says he,181 "but that the prediction of God might be fulfilled by facts, which says, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated; for as God foreknew things future, proanephonese kai toutou ten areten kakeinou tes gnomes mochtherian, ‘he also before declared the virtue of the one, and the evil mind of the other.’" And in another place182 he observes, that "the apostle casts the whole matter upon the knowledge of God, which none dare militate against, was he never so mad, for, says he, the children not being yet born, etc. which shows that the nobility of the flesh profiteth nothing; but inquiry must be made into the virtue of the soul, en kai pro ten ergon o Theos oide, ‘which God knows, even before any works are done;’ for, says he, the children not being yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God, according to election, might stand; it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. This is of foreknowledge to be chosen from the same birth; that it might appear, says he, ‘the election of God is made according to purpose and foreknowledge; for from the first day he knew and proclaimed him that was good, and him that was not." And a little after,183 "Thou knowest, says he, from the end; but he knows clearly before the end." And upon those words, the people, whom he foreknew, he thus paraphrases,184 toutestin on edei saphos epitedeion onta kai ten pistin dexomenon; that is, "whom he clearly knew would be fit, and receive the faith." All which may be very well understood in consistence with the doctrine of absolute decrees; for, as Vossius185 himself observes, "the fathers who lived before Austin, held, indeed, a decree according to foreknowledge; but then the foreknowledge is of acts performed by the strength of grace;" that is to say, that God knew that Jacob and others would be good, and do that which is good, through the grace he determined to give them, and so appointed them to everlasting happiness; and he also knew that Esau, and others, would be evil and do that which is evil, being left, as he determined to leave them, to their own wickedness, and so for it appointed them to everlasting punishment.

Section 19—Hieronymus. A.D. 390.

Hieronymus, or Jerom, of Stridon, in Dalmatia, was a presbyter of the church; he was born, according to Monsieur Daille,186 A. D. 340, and died A. D. 420. He lived much of his time in Palestine, at Jerusalem, and especially at Bethlehem: he was a man of great learning, and wrote much, though there are many things ascribed to him which are none of his; and in his commentaries it is sometimes difficult to know when he speaks his own or the sense of others. He is allowed, on all hands, to be an eager opposer of the Pelagian principles. And with respect to the doctrines of election and predestination he held,

1. That election was not of whole nations but of particular persons; "for," says he,187 "the vessels of mercy are not only the people of the Gentiles, but likewise those among the Jews who would believe, and are made one people of believers; hence it appears, that non gentes eligi sed hominum voluntates, ‘not nations are chosen, but the wills of men.’" And in another place he observes,188 "that for this cause all nations are moved, that from their motion might come electa gentium multitudo, ‘the elect multitude of nations,’ which are every where famous;" for instance, electa de Corintho, "the elect out of Corinth," because there was much people of God there. Electa de Macedonia, "the elect out of Macedonia," because there was a large church of God in Thessalonica, who had no need to be taught concerning love. Electa de. Epheso, "the elect out of Ephesus;" that they might know the secrets of God, and those mysteries which were before revealed to none. What shall I say more? All nations are moved to whom the Savior sent the apostles, saying, Go, teach all nations; and of the many called, few being chosen, they built the church of the primitive saints; hence, says the apostle Peter, The church that is at Babylon, elected, and Marcus, my son, salute you. And, says John, The elder to the elect lady; and who also makes mention of the children of the elect lady.

2. He asserted, that those who are chosen of God in Christ, were chosen before the world began; or that election is from eternity; for in one place he says,189 "It must be affirmed, that according to the prescience and predestination of God, those things are already done which are future. Qui enim electi sunt in Christo ante constitutionem mundi, ‘for they that are chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world,’ have been already in former ages." And in interpreting those words in Isaiah 25:1, Thy counsels of old are faithfulness and truth; after he has mentioned the sense of the Jewish writers, observes,190 that "others better and more rightly understand them as spoken in the person of the prophet, giving thanks to the Father for the sufferings of the Lord the Savior; because he had done wonderful things; et cogtiationes antiquas veritate compleverit, ‘and had faithfully fulfilled ancient thoughts;’ when they that stand at his right hand shall hear these words, Come ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. Which also Paul understanding, spoke of, saying, As he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame." Which last words of the apostle being elsewhere mentioned by him, he says,191 "This we so interpret that we say, that election is not, according to Origen, of them who had been before, but we refer it to the prescience of God: moreover, we say, that we are chosen that we may be holy and without blame before him, that is, God; ante fabricam mundi, ‘before the world was made;’ which testifies, that it belongs to the prescience of God, to whom all things future are already done, and all things are known before they be; as Paul himself was predestinated in his mother’s womb, and Jeremy in the belly, was sanctified, chosen, and, in the type of Christ, sent a prophet to the nations."

3. He also held that election was irrespective of holiness, as a motive or cause of it, but that it arises from the love, grace, and mercy of God; for in one part of his works, he has these words,192 "The apostle does not say, he chose us, before the foundation of the world; cum essemus sancti et immaculati, ‘when we were holy and without blame;’ but, he chose us, that we might be holy and without blame; that is, qui sancti et immaculati ante non fuimus, ut postea essemus; that we, who before were not holy and without blame, might afterwards be so." And a little after he adds, "Paul, and they that are like him, are not chosen, ‘quia erant sancti & immaculati, because they were holy and without blame;’ but they are chosen and predestinated, that in their lives following they might become holy and without blame by their works and virtues." And in another place he plainly intimates,193 that predestination springs from the mercy and love of God; for speaking of Jacob he says, "Whiles he was yet in Rebecca’s womb, he supplanted his brother Esau, not truly by his own strength, but by the mercy of God, qui cognoscit & diligit quos praedestinavit, who knows and loves those whom he hath predestinated." It is true indeed, in the first citation I have made from this author, he says, that not nations are chosen, sed voluntates hominum, "but the wills of men;" though what he means by it is not very easy to understand: his meaning cannot be, that God chose such persons whom he knew would of their own free will, by the mere strength of nature, do that which was good; for this is pure Pelagianism, to which Jerom was an enemy; and is contrary to those principles of grace he was a strenuous defender of. But, if his meaning was, that God chose such to happiness, who he knew would be made willing to obey him in the day of his. power, because he had determined to make them so; this entirely agrees with our sentiments. There is another passage cited by Grotius194 from this writer, where he says,195 that God eligat eum quem interim bonum cernit, "chooses him whom for the present he knows to be good;" but it is easy to observe, that Jerom is there speaking, not of God’s choice of men to eternal happiness, but of Christ’s choosing Judas to the apostleship, who appeared for a while to be good, though he knew he would be wicked. To which may be added another passage produced by Dr. Whitby,196 after Grotius,197 and Vossius,198 to prove that election is from a foresight of good works, in which this writer says,199 that, dilectio et odium Dei vel ex praescientia nascitur futurorum vel ex operibus, "the love and hatred of God arises either from the foreknowledge of things future, or from works." But what he means by this disjunctive proposition, is not very evident; it is very probable, that by the love and hatred of God, he means the effects of them, salvation and damnation, which according to him proceed either according to the prescience of God, or the works of men. As for the citation out of the Commentary on the epistle to the Romans made by Vossius and Dr. Whitby,200 I take no notice of, because it is judged by learned men201 not to be his, but either the work of Pelagius himself, or of some Pelagian writer. I deny not, but that Jerom held election to be according to the prescience of God, to which he refers it in the passages cited by the above writers, out of his commentaries on the epistles to the Galatians and Ephesians; and so do we, in a sense agreeable to the Scriptures; and it is evident that Jerom had the same sentiments of the foreknowledge of God as we have; for, says he,202 Non enim ex eo quod Dens seit futurum aliquid, idcireo futurum est, sed quia futurum est, Deus novit; "not because God knows something to be future, therefore it is future, but because it is future, God knows it, as having a foreknowledge of things to come." And though in the same place, and else where,203 he observes, that the prescience of God does not necessitate or force men to do this, or not to do that, but notwithstanding it, the will of man is preserved free in all his actions; the same we also say, and to this we readily assent.

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Miccah

Why are we preaching to the converted? I mean, most who post on SI are Christian's, correct?

I truly don't mean to sound harsh or brazen, for I sincerely love the folks posting. So why is SI a mission field for personal doctrines?

So I ask this again, why are we preaching to the convereted, disciple to disciple?

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Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed:

1Ti 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

1Ti 4:11 These things command and teach.

Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Tit 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, especially they of the circumcision:
Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

1Ti 4:6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

1Ti 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

2Ti 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Joh 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Act 5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

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Abide


The prophet who has dreams, let him speak of his dreams, and the prophet who has God's word, let him speak God's word.

I am not worthy to speak such a word, i am the least of the least if not more. Who am i that you would be so mindful of me and trust me with this assignment?

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AbideinHim

"I believe in unconditional election. If you go to heaven it is because you are one of God’s elect. God is responsible.

I believe in the responsibility of the believer. If you go to hell it is because of your unbelief. You are responsible." (Chris)

Amen! Predestination as well as the responsibility of the believer are both taught in the Word.

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theopenlife

I can say Amen to that statement as well. Those in hell go there willingly. Those in heaven do so by God's grace, and their repentance is also willful.

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Abide

Someone once said, it is not who you are that defines you, but what you do that defines who you are…. RC – Original, No – Eternal.

NOW in the fifteenth year of the reign of Ti-be ri-us cae sar, Pon-ti-us Pi late being governor of Ju dae a, and Her – od being tetrarch of Gali-lee and his brother Phil ip tetrarch of I-tu-rae a and of the region of Trach-o-ni tis, and Ly-sa ni-as the tetrarch of Ab-l-le ne,

An nas and Ca ia-phas being the high priest, the word of God came unto John the son of Zach – a-ri as n the wilderness.

And he came into all the country about Jor don, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

As it is written in the book of the words of E-sa ias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;

And all flesh shall see the Salvation of God.

Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generations of vipers, who had warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say with yourselves, we have A bra-ham to our father; for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up Children unto A bra-ham.

And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the tree; every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

And the people asked him saying, what shall we do then?


He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, master, what shall we do?

And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.

And the soldiers like wise demanded of him, saying, and what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to not man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not;

John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water, but one mightier than I cometh, that the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose; he shall baptize you with the Ho ly Ghost and with fire.

Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and will gather the Wheat into his garner; but the Chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

And many other things in his exhortation preached he unto the people.

But Her – od the tetrarch, being reproved by him for He ro di-as his brother Phil ips wife, and for all the evils which Her od had done,

Added yet this above all,
that he shut up John in Prison.

Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Je sus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

And the Ho ly Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said. Thou art my beloved Son, in thee I am well pleased.

And Je sus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the SON of Jo septh,

which as the SON of He li,

Which was the SON of Mat, that,

Which was the SON of Le vi,

Which was the SON of Mel chi,

Which was the SON of Jan na,

Which was the SON of Jo seph,

Which was the SON of mat ta – thias,

Which was the SON of Mat ta-thias,

Which as the SON of Amos,

Which was the SON of Na um,

Which was the SON of Es li,

Which was the SON of Nag ge,

Which was the SON of Ma-ath,

Which was the SON Sem e-I,

Which was the SON of Jo seph,

Which was the SON of Jud a,

Which was the SON of Jo anna,

Which was the SON of Rhe sa,

Which was the SON of Zo rob abel,

Which was the SON of Sa-la thi-el,

Which was the SON of Ne ri,

Which was the SON of Mel-chi,

Which was the SON of ad di,

Which was the SON of Cosam,

Which was the SON of El –mo-dam,

Which was the SON of Er,

Which was the SON of Jo se,

Which was the SON of E-li-e zer,

Which was the SON of Jo rim,

Which was the SON of Ma that,

Which was the SON of Le vi,

Which was the SON of Jud a,

Which was the SON of Joseph,


Which was the SON of Jo-nan,

Which was the SON of E-li a – kim,

Which was the SON of Me-le a,

Which was the SON of mat-ta-tha,

Which was the SON of Na than,

Which was the SON of D avid,

Which was the SON of Jes se,

Which was the SON of Bo oz,

Which was the SON of Sal mon,

Which was the SON of Na-as son,

Which was the SON of A-min a –dab,

Which was the SON of A ram,

Which was the SON of Es rom,

Which was the SON of pha res,

Which was the SON of Jud ea,

Which was the SON of Ja cob,

Which was the SON of I ssac,

Which was the SON of A bra-ham,

Which was the SON of Tha ra,

Which was the SON of Na chor,

Which was the SON of Sa ruch,

Which was the SON of Ra gau,

Which was the SON of Pha lee,

Which was the SON of He ber,

Which was the SON of Sa-la,

Which was the SON of Ca-i-nan,

Which was the SON of Ar-phax-ad,

Which was the SON of Jeru,

Which was the SON of Noe,

Which was the SON of La mech,

Which was the SON of Ma-thu sa –la,

Which was the SON of Enoch,

Which was the SON of Ja red,

Which was the SON of Ma – le-le –el,

Which was the SON of Car i nan,

Which was the SON of E nos,

Which was the SON of Seth, which was the SON of Ad am, which was the SON of God.


HALLELUJAH! SON's, COME FORTH.

Why so much emphasis on the word Son, this is why; When the Law was proposed, the promise to perfect obedience was that Israel should be to God “a kingdom of priest”

A King of Priest,

Ex 19:6 And you shall be to me a kingdom of priest and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Isreal.

But Isreal violed the Law, and God shut up the priestly office of the Aronic family, appointing the tribe of Levi to minister to Isreal, thus constituting the typical priesthood.

Ex 28:1 Now take Aaron your brother and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister to me as priest, Aaron and Aaron’s sons;
Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.

In the church age, all Christians are unconditionally constituted “Kings and Priest”

Rev 1:6 And he has made us Kings and Priest to his God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and every Amen.

The distinction which Isreal failed to achieve by works. The priesthood of the Christians is, therefore, a birthright, just as every descendant of Aaron was born to the priesthood.

Heb 5 For every high priest taken from among men is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for Sins. He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness. Because of this he is required as for the people, so also for himself of offer sacrifices for sins, and no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was.


What does all of this mean? Where much is given much is required. It is far to easy to complain about who is doing what, and how long -- I’ve doing this as unto the Lord, for two years and and, and maybe I should just end right here, I believe you are able to hear what God in all of his infinite wisdom is telling you, and two rolls were placed in front of the Arch of the Covenant and the two rolls were filled with Kings and Priest, each carrying with full joy there own ministry, not waiting for the pastors or for the prophets to give them a word, No, God had already given them a word, they just needed to give birth to it. God almighty would be there rear guard. God would strengthen them when they needed to be strengthened and he would go before them as a devouring fire when need be, as he would cover them with the feathers of his wings, when they needed to be covered. No they would not waver to the left nor to the right, they were Kings and Priest, in the church, in there homes, in there jobs, they were Kings and Priest and all who saw them marveled at the God that they served. Maybe you’re just not seating where God has called you to seat, but remember that where much is given much is required of you.

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HomeFree89

Edit: I tried quoting Michael's long post, but accidentally quoted the one about it. :>)

As I said earlier, I believe in total depravity, just not total inability.

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theopenlife

Regarding "Total Inability," I confess that I too believe man could repent and believe at any time... if he wanted to. But the essence of Total Depravity is that man never wants to. He is enslaved to his sinful desires. He willingly chooses death until by grace he receives a new nature.

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hmmhmm

As we scan world history and Church history we see the
ways of God as He pursues His purpose. He raised up a Luther when
He needed a Luther, and though Luther had his weaknesses, he was
the instrument suited to the divine need at that time. You and I
owe much through God to Martin Luther for we are the fruit of his
labors. He in his day offered the on-flowing tide of the Spirit a
free way to pursue His course; and we, who have been reached by
that same tide, have the privilege of offering ourselves to Him
that He may speed a little further on in His course. If He can
cleave a way for Himself through these lives, that will be our
greatest glory. If not, He will turn in another direction; but
for us that will mean tragic loss. The spiritual stream may be
flowing this way at present, but where it will be flowing ten
years hence we cannot tell. Let us face the issue. Each day the
Spirit is by-passing this one and using that one. If we put up a
resistance to Him today, He may have to cleave a way for Himself
elsewhere. What a solemn thought!

Since the dark ages, when the light that illumined the
early Church had to a great extent been obscured, the Holy Spirit
has been active recovering lost truth through one instrumentality
and another, so that by now the whole body of truth has been
recovered to the Church. Over a century ago the need of corporate
ministry was brought to the notice of the saints, and more
recently this truth has been greatly stressed; but there has been
a sad lack in the practical outworking of what we know. Recovery
of the doctrine concerning corporate ministry is one thing; the
reality of corporate ministry expressed through the life of the
Church is quite another thing. Since it is our privilege to be
heirs of the vast wealth that has been recovered through the past
few centuries, we who live in this twentieth century must bear
the responsibility to which so rich a heritage challenges us. All
this wealth has been made available to us not merely for our
enrichment, but for the furtherance of the gospel. Our
inheritance of the whole body of truth challenges us to a
corporate ministry that will embrace every aspect of truth. When
a full-orbed corporate ministry has been secured, we believe it
will provide a condition for the Lord's return. It is not only
the proclamation of the whole truth that is needed today; it is
the release of the spiritual reality which the truth expresses
and that can only be realized as we allow ourselves to be caught
into the mighty on-flowing tide of the Spirit.

W.Nee

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hmmhmm

Some more quotes from the church fathers:

IRENAEUS of Gaul c.130-200. Against Heresies XXXVII

"This expression, 'How often would I have gathered thy children together, and thou wouldst not,' set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free (agent) from the beginning, possessing his own soul to obey the behests of God voluntarily, and not by compulsion of God. For there is no coercion with God, but a good will (toward us) is present with Him continually. And therefore does He give good counsel to all. And in man as well as in angels, He has placed the power of choice (for angels are rational beings), so that those who had yielded obedience might justly possess what is good, given indeed by God, but preserved by themselves . . ."

"If then it were not in our power to do or not to do these things, what reason had the apostle, and much more the Lord Himself, to give counsel to do some things and to abstain from others? But because man is possessed of free-will from the beginning, and God is possessed of free-will in whose likeness man was created, advice is always given to him to keep fast the good, which thing is done by means of obedience to God."


ATHENAGORAS of Athens (2nd century). Embassy for Christians XXIV

"Just as with men who have freedom of choice as to both virtue and vice (for you would not either honor the good or punish the bad; unless vice and virtue were in their own power, and some are diligent in the matters entrusted to them, and others faithless), so is it among the angels"

THEOPHILUS of Antioch (2nd century). To Autolycus XXVII

"For God made man free, and with power over himself . . . now God vouchsafes to him as a gift through His own philanthropy and pity, when men obey Him. For as man, disobeying, drew death on himself; so, obeying the will of God, he who desires is able to procure for himself life everlasting."

TATIAN of Syria (flourished late 2nd century). Address XI

"Why are you 'fated' to grasp at things often, and often to die? Die to the world, repudiating the madness that is in it. Live to God, and by apprehending Him lay aside your old nature. We were not created to die, but we die by our own fault. Our free-will has destroyed us; we who were free have become slaves; we have been sold through sin. Nothing evil has been created by God; we ourselves have manifested wickedness; but we, who have manifested it, are able again to reject it."

BARDAISAN of Syria c.154-222. Fragments

" 'How is it that God did not so make us that we should not sin and incur condemnation?'

if man had been made so, he would not have belonged to himself but would have been the instrument of him that moved him . . . And how, in that case, would a man differ from a harp, on which another plays; or from a ship, which another guides: where the praise and the blame reside in the hand of the performer or the steersman . . . they being only instruments made for the use of him in whom is the skill? But God, in His benignity, chose not so to make man; but by freedom He exalted him above many of His creatures."

CLEMENT of Alexandria c.150-215. Stromata Bk ii ch. 4

"But we, who have heard by the Scriptures that self-determining choice and refusal have been given by the Lord to men, rest in the infallible criterion of faith, manifesting a willing spirit, since we have chosen life and believe God through His voice."

Stromata Bk iv ch. 12

"But nothing is without the will of the Lord of the universe. It remains to say that such things happen without the prevention of God; for this alone saves both the providence and the goodness of God. We must not therefore think that He actively produces afflictions (far be it that we should think this!); but we must be persuaded that He does not prevent those that cause them, but overrules for good the crimes of His enemies."

TERTULLIAN of Carthage c.155-225 Against Marcion Book II ch.5I

find, then, that man was by God constituted free, master of his own will and power; indicating the presence of God's image and likeness in him by nothing so well as by this constitution of his nature . . .

-you will find that when He sets before man good and evil, life and death, that the entire course of discipline is arranged in precepts by God's calling men from sin, and threatening and exhorting them; and by this on no other ground than that man is free, with a will either for obedience or resistance.

. . . Since therefore, both the goodness and purpose of God are discovered in the gift to man of freedom in his will . . ."

NOVATIAN of Rome c.200-258. On the Trinity ch 1

"He also placed man at the head of the world, and man, too, made in the image of God, to whom He imparted mind, and reason, and foresight, that he might imitate God; and although the first elements of his body were earthly, yet the substance was inspired by a heavenly and divine breathing. And when He had given him all things for his service, He willed that he alone should be free. And lest, again, and unbounded freedom should fall into peril, He laid down a command, in which man was taught that there was no evil in the fruit of the tree; but he was forewarned that evil would arise if perchance he should exercise his freewill in contempt of the law that was given."

ORIGEN c.185-254. De Principiis Preface

"Now it ought to be known that the holy apostles, in preaching the faith of Christ, delivered themselves with the utmost clearness on certain points which they believed to be necessary to everyone . . . This also is clearly defined in the teaching of the church that every rational soul is possessed of free-will and volition."

De principiis Bk 3 ch. 1

"There are, indeed, innumerable passages in the Scriptures which establish with exceeding clearness the existence of freedom of will."

METHODIUS of Olympus c.260-martyred 311. The Banquet of the Ten Virgins xvi

"I say that man was made with free-will, not as if there were already existing some evil, which he had the power of choosing if he wished . . . but that the power of obeying and disobeying God is the only cause."

CYRIL of Jerusalem c. 312-386

Lecture IV

18: "Know also that thou hast a soul self governed, the noblest work of God, made after the image of its Creator, immortal because of God that gives it immortality, a living being rational, imperishable, because of Him that bestowed these gifts: having free power to do what it willeth."

20: "There is not a class of souls sinning by nature and a class of souls practising righteousness by nature; but both act from choice, the substance of their souls being of one kind only and alike in all."

21: "The soul is self-governed: and though the Devil can suggest, he has not the power to compel against the will. He pictures to thee the thought of fornication: if thou wilt, thou rejectest. For if thou wert a fornicator of necessity then for what cause did God prepare hell? If thou wert a doer of righteousness by nature and not by will, wherefore did God prepare crowns of ineffable glory? The sheep is gentle, but never was it crowned for its gentleness; since its gentle quality belongs to it not from choice but by nature."

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