Christian singer admits he's gay

This truly is heartbreaking. I will pray for the truth to penetrate the darkness. It seems certain sins have such extra negative connotations with them, homosexuality definitely being one of them. I think because most of us can't relate to the struggle at all, it is easier to point fingers. (not alluding that is your intention) But, if homosexuality is the weakness of ones flesh then I see it as no different than other "struggles" of the flesh. It is a desire that has to be crucified by way of surrendering your will to His. It is the same for a whore munger who must crucify his lust or a glutton forsaking their idol or fill in the blank. I've always heard the argument from the gay community saying God made me this way. That's ridiculous. God is not the author of sin. He didn't make people gay anymore than he made them fornicators or gluttons. It is a choice to yield to our sinful nature or to yield to his perfect will.

That said, I do sympathize with him. I understand because I have struggled with gluttony all my life. And there is a fine line between striving against the said sin with our own strength versus laying down our right to it. Any time we rely on our own strength to fight against sin, we will lose. And one grows weary when they battle sin this way. When you simply surrender it, it is so much easier.

Please do pray for Ray Boltz. His music has been an encouragement to many believers over the years. The first time I heard Watch the Lamb I nearly had to be peeled off the floor.
Hope

You have to feel sad for his family. What they have gone through and will go through, emotionally, and the remarks others will make, both Christian and non-Christian, well, let's leave it to guess work.

You have to wonder how many more 'Christians' are there like him.

Enough said.

WOW!! I think about in the last days sin WILL grow worse and worse...

I know of a "evangelical" chuch that allows gay people serve in the church and sing in the choir. The church doesnt stop them because they feel "we all have sin" and if we stop them from serving in the church then they wont hear the gospel and ruin the chances of them getting right with God.

brentw,

The thing is, compromise won't get them right with God either.

So either way, they perish, unless God Himself moves on their hearts.

Wow, this is disappointing to me and I agree with your comments, Krittr.

Disappointing.

I actually liked some of Ray Boltz' older music. I haven't heard any new music from the guy in years, and wondered whatever became of him. It is heartbreaking to learn this.

I suppose that the only good thing about all of this is that Boltz realized that this was a sin for many years. Somehow, it seems, he was recently deceived to think that this was "normal" or "acceptable." Perhaps Mr. Boltz hasn't fallen so far into sin as to be beyond repentance? Perhaps believers can reach out with the love of God and explain the error of his thinking?

This news makes me wonder the origin of one of his songs:

[b]Do you still feel the nails?[/b]
by RAY BOLTZ
©1989 Shepherd Boy Music/ASCAP and SonWorshippers/ASCAP

They tell me Jesus died
For my transgressions
And that He paid that price
A long long time ago
When He gave His life for me
On a hill called Calvary
But there's something else
I want to know

CHORUS:
Does He still feel the nails
Every time I fail?
Does He hear the crowd cry,
Crucify, again?
Am I causing Him pain?
Then I know I've got to change
I just can't bear the thought
Of hurting Him

It seems that I'm so good
At breaking promises
And I treat His precious grace
So carelessly
But each time He forgives
What if He relives
The agony He felt on that tree?

CHORUS

Holy, holy, holy is the Lord
Holy, holy, holy is the Lord

Do you still feel the nails
Every time I fail?
Have I crucified you, Jesus,
With my sin?
I'm tired of playing games
I really want to change
I never want to hurt You again

Holy, holy, holy is the Lord
Holy, holy, holy is the Lord

:-(

May the Lord use someone to reach out with the truth to this fallen singer! Please join in prayer for this man and his family!

Go ahead Krittr, preach it! this is why the preaching of the cross must be top priority in this day and age. Preachers must preach the total death of believers through Christ or else there is easy-believism and everyone does what is right in their own eyes.

O Lord, we have diminished your finished work on the cross and consider it to be a license to remain in sin. Forgive us and may we walk in complete death and abandonment to our self life so that we may show the world what it truly means to be born-again, saved, holy, and a christian!

It sounds so much like people are selfishly becoming "lovers of themselves" rather than loves of God!

This is truly heartbreaking! I feel for this man -- and pray that he repents! I also pray for his family. May God give them strength in the midst of such pain. May these children fix their eyes upon Jesus rather than the sins of their father!

:-(

I can see two good things that might come out of a discussion of this issue: FIRST, examining ourselves (individually and as the Body of Christ) and SECONDLY, learning application of the Word of God regarding this sin from one another here.

May we examine ourselves in these days.

30 years in what is called Christian music. 30 years in resisting the outward acting on temptation. 30 years is a long time to never come across someone with discernment, never come across a pastor or a mature Christian who knew the way to reconciliation and restoration, who knew the Love of God, who knew ACCEPTED IN THE BELOVED. Was there no one to confide in? Alone, possibly unsaved, in a 30-year struggle.

To know the Divine Love of God, the accepted in the Beloved, nothing can separate us from that including the sin of fellow believers (the ones with discernment and Truth but not enough with Love to spiritually restore). Here there is no need to seek acceptance with unredeemed sinners blinded by false doctrine.

I know there are those who give a testimony of freedom in Christ from this sin and even have outreaches, and present facts to lawmakers and professional organizations (AMA, APA). Where are the “such were some of you” in the Body?

Krispy, OF COURSE he risks being raised up as a poster child where false doctrine abounds. The “believing” church does this very thing so why wouldn’t these congregations.

I do not want to discuss this man. Who here walked with him? No one here ministered to him. Maybe he did not struggle with sin, but how many do struggle that we walk with, knowing the scripture (or some of it) but not the power of God. Who on this site does NOT know struggle? Who on this site does not desperately cling to the “little” they have, grateful (even rightly), satisfied with making do, with just getting through until ... What? ... Until our own flesh death? Until the rapture?

What ever it is that has happened in the Body of Christ, at least in North America and the “West”, we need the manifest presence of God. [b]We need Revival[/b]. So ... Is the truth presented everywhere on this site about revival believed? Prayed for? Do we forget that it is not natural to anyone to pray? “The carnal mind is enmity against God.” (Ryle) “Tell him you would pray better, but you cannot, till he pleases to help you.” (Watts Sr. from prison to his 11-year-old son, Isaac Watts). Do we even know prayerlessness as sin? What it means about our condition, our faith, and our intimacy with God? I think it is a device of our enemy that lulls believers into thoughts like “it is enough that God answers my prayers for my children, for what job, for the strength to resist the temptation of lust, etc.”. If in fact God does. [b]Prayers for biblical revival, now that’s a different thing in this war[/b]. How God saves and equips the Saints in revival.

I pray his “coming out” be transformed in his thinking to his coming to the end of his hypocrisy. I have hope for anyone who sings about the Lamb of God. I pray his death-grip hold on the lie (God made me this way) becomes sawdust in his mouth and that any heart-cry for Christ he knew in music plague him. Who will bring the truth of our sin nature, after the fall, to him? But I am drifting into the SECOND GOOD THING that could come out of a discussion of this issue. Another post.

[Edit: Yikes. Many posts I have not read on this and will. This could be redundant.]

Drifting into the SECOND GOOD THING that could come out of a discussion of this issue, I know little here.

In my whole life I have had only one discussion with a homosexual that God later saved and freed. It was rooted in Romans 1:19 and Romans 1:21. A four-plus hour conversation with someone who DID believe God was. It included some puzzling through creation rather than evolution but what little uncertainty they had there did not matter to them, because they believed God was. What they had never done, and what they did that day was, in prayer to God alone; they glorified God as God and thank Him. The thanksgiving that poured out humbled me. And the prayer that followed it (coming from the rest of Romans 1). That is all I have witnessed in this specific area. I have never heard or read specifically how others have met God on this.

God deals so individually with us. Do we wait until someone asks?

I do notice that this sin leads directly to vain imagination and darkening a foolish heart. Like a fast track or something. As I read Romans 1 today, I do wonder if, and then how, this might be particularly offensive to God. He hates ALL sin. The only things I can think of is that making an idol out of the very flesh of man (rather than a tree, or money, or your neighbors wife, or a name for yourself), touches worshiping the FALLEN image of God, the flesh of man itself. I think that maybe somewhere in here is a double turning to Self as God, both in the concrete flesh and in “spirit” (not certain of the word here, human spirit? soul?). It strikes at the root (or close to the root) of God’s design of man. If homosexuality had any part in God’s character there would be no creation. Maybe God particularly hate lies and liars because of Truth (Christ, the Word of God), and drunkenness because of His Holy Spirit.

I need to examine the list that His Word points out and meditate on why that list, why elaborations on some sins and not others. We all understand something of God’s focus on adultery in the Old Testament. Closer to the nature of the heart of God’s character, His purposed will in creation, seems a possibility.

There is so much we will not know until we see Him. I thank God for every bit of Himself that He reveals to us.

Still reading posts.

I love the Body. I do think it is revival or ruin. Oh that we could grow and be equipped, and bring, NO WITNESS, an end to lies about Christ, for His Name's sake.

I think I am ruined for posting here anymore. Every post goes to revival. So sorry, I've lost the ability to type.

edit; praying

It is sad that much of the Church accepts practicing homosexuals into their congregation without preaching the truth to them.

The Apostle Paul had to write a very strong letter to the Corinthian believers because they were allowing a man to live in a immoral relationship and still be called a brother.

We are facing a day in this country that to preach against homosexuality will be outlawed as a hate crime.

Jesus died for the homosexual, and He is not willing that any should perish but that all would come to repentance.

We are not helping homosexuals by allowing them to feel secure in their sin.

Mike

Intens4Him wrote:

I do catch your meaning but wanted to lovingly point out that there are a few other sins that we ourselves could be committing that are an abomination to God . . . Like eating shark, swordfish, catfish,shrimp, crabs, lobsters, clams, oysters, and many others. Oh, and of course, bacon!!! (Pork and rabbit, just to name a couple.) Leviticus says, "they shall be an abomination unto you:"

Acts 10:11-16

11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."

14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven."

Plus, I could have sworn there were a few fishermen in the Bible...

:-( :-)

[u]Wonderful find Intens4Him[/u]: 2 Thess 2.10b -12 says, [i]"because they [b]received not[/b] the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”[/i]

I had underlined “the love of the truth” before. I am going to explore if both meanings that occur to me today apply: receive a caring for the truth AND/OR receive the LOVE that is (in) the Truth. In this second way, I am thinking received the Love of God in the Truth of God, the Father in Jesus and Jesus in the Father (John 14:10-11). The Word of God says, “God is Love” and Jesus is Truth/the Truth. Thank you for pointing out that verse. Maybe we can make progress (equipping progress) in understanding this subject. Still thinking and praying.

This is encouraging in that loving the truth, and walking that out in transparent honesty, could put a person on speaking ground with God even if they had not yet heard Divine Truth.

Here are the pieces of this man life, reported in an interview with him, that stood out to me. Again, 30-years and no Gospel preached? And no one to pray with and for him? What is it, academic teaching? HmmHmm just posted a message: [url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=25192&forum=34] The Holy Spirits Power[/url] that may address this.

1.\tHe discovered rock music in high school. Lying on his bed at age 17 hearing the Allman Brothers’ “Whipping Post” awoke him to the possibilities of music.
2.\tthe Jesus Movement,
3.\ta visiting minister invited him to Jacob’s Well, a Christian coffeehouse
4.\tsaw gospel group the Fisherman perform and had a life-altering experience.
5.\t“That evening had a profound impact on my life,” he says. “I realized that this was the truth and that Jesus was alive … that’s really where I made a commitment to Christ. [b]I decided I could be born again and all of the things I was feeling in the past would fall away and I would have this new life.[/b]”
6.\tIndiana — for some reason that’s never been fully explored — had become a hotbed of Christian music.
7.\t“I basically lived an ‘ex-gay’ life — I read every book, I read all the scriptures they use, I did everything to try and change.”
8.\t“There’s absolutely no question about it … I believed what I sang but in the back of my mind, I always felt I could never quite measure up.”
9.\t“It’s there on every single record,” he says. “That struggle of accepting myself and my feelings. There’s a lot of pain there and it connected with a lot of people. They weren’t struggling with the same thing necessarily but we all suffer with our humanity.”
10.\t“I don’t want to be a spokesperson, I don’t want to be a poster boy
11.\tHe and Carol Boltz remain close (their divorce was finalized early this year). She’s become involved with the gay advocacy group Soulforce but declined, through Boltz, to be interviewed for this story.

Number 5 is a strong argument against the words of today’s “Christian music” ministering life.

You gotta wonder what is going through a persons mind to turn to homosexuality.
Then you gotta wonder what makes them confess it and instead of seeking cleansing,seek to find acceptance.

He was a superstar. What goes up must come down.

David

Can you imagine if we all decided that it was ok to just live out our desires... because after all, God created us like that (with those desires)?

Precisely.

Went over to the link presented earlier and did not see anything explicitly stated other than the aforementioned; [i]"Earlier, Boltz had alluded to the issue on his official website, saying that if people “knew who I really was, I would never be accepted."[/i]. And my question would be, why the reserve? Perhaps I didn't look hard enough ... But the wonder is if there is not still some shame associated that hedges at a full disclosure.

[i]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.[/i] 1Co 6:9,10

[i]But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.[/i] Rev 21:8

The comparable sin listings that often come about in these situations I find somewhat suspect in that they try not to play down the one in question but inevitably end up doing so anyway.

Nevertheless there is enough reproach to go around, not short of the so called 'church' mentioned in this article and linked by way of his blog [i]The Metropolitan Community Church of Washington, D.C. Both congregations are a part of a denomination that embraces the LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender) community.[/i] A glance at the hierarchy alone is decidedly wrong and the cowards are men - There is more to the role-reversals than the agenda of acceptance going on here.

This precisely where the church at large is now upside down well detached from it's moorings. It is practically inconceivable to see it as it is in plain sight and not be aghast - Have you no shame?

Much could be said and I find it difficult to find much sympathy with the struggle bereft of some truly needed perspective. That is difficult to put that way but I mean it differently than it may sound. I am going somewhere with this but first what strikes me cold is the self-centered life. Even the interview itself is full of personal application; "[i]I, me, myself[/i]". And these 'churches' feed it to the mases - Self realization (Your Best Life Now), self-acceptance, self - 'expression' which translates into "This is just who I am". The logical deduction from all this is that we should therefore have churches of thieves, that can steal from the collection plate (because they cannot help themselves), add full bars to go along with the coffee stands to support the drunkards, a toddlers area for the grown up cowards ... Where does it end? KFC for the gluttonous?

Unapologetically I present that these messages ought to be placed in every church in the nation and beyond - They ought to be heard for their own merits of how far astray the church is. Be it these in question or the Word of Presumption, prosperity driven, prophecy contorted, anemic, dead ... parsed bible society mindset that has overtaken whole denominations and constructs. It is madness and apostasy.

[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=25079&forum=34#196592]Spurgeon - Mueller - An Important Series ~ Piper's Biographies[/url]

There are two that stand out more at the moment as they are still fresh in my mind and in the challenge of perspective. It is interesting to hear two different time frames back to back. First listening to the life of Athanasius and then the tremendous recognitions by comparison, to that of Adroniram Judson.

In the former it was the adamantcy of the importance of doctrine- scripture - definitions. The madness that Athanasius went up against in defending the faith before the heresies of his time by the way the bishops went about whispering to each other and stating that they believed the same things. I cannot do it justice here but it is well worth the listen.

The later, Adroniram Judson is a devastating blow to what and I will speak only for myself here, to what constitutes [i]suffering[/i], this new blight on Christianity, that it must be eradicated when the Lord Himself spoke of it factually, as to be expected and in Pipers words, is by [i]design[/i]. What it amounts to compared to what this saint went through is that I know next to nothing, am a million miles away - My complaints, my hardships are the equivalent of gnats buzzing about, a mere annoyance - At the worst, in the trails inwardly they might be a small infestation. I have NO complaints any longer. I know of such little sufferings that I found myself ashamed and smiting myself for the sheer overlooking of so much. It is folly and incomparable. This man presented what it means to die to oneself like no other I have heard, light afflictions is too strong a word for what most of have or go through ...

This man wrote some good music(i think he wrote his own stuff?).
Anyway ....he sang it with such apparent conviction.
My comment was trying to connect the dots.
How a minister of heaven could at the same time not just slip but defect and bring shame to the kingdom.

Has anyone prayed for him? I have to confess I have not but after this I will correct that..

What a terrible thing for this man(brother) to defect like this.

Just sad,sad,sad

Lord Jesus help this man. Deliver him by your power and might. May this horrible report be turned around.

David

Must be brief but I have some misgivings over the earlier rant yesterday. Lacking prayer and in fact should have been praying rather than just spouting off is my confession. I was very tempted to edit it wholesale but it serves as a reminder ...

This is an issue of one thing primarily; [i]Sin[/i]. And it is a specific one here with tentacles branching off of it. My contention is that the matter gets cloudy when we begin to go off subject and start bringing in comparables, others sins, our sins, whether or not we should be judging etc. etc.

The reason I do not have a great deal of empathy\\sympathy is because I do not find anywhere in Scripture nor among Brethren that I should be coddled in my sin. We all have struggles with temptation and sin and the very last thing we need is an affirmation in it and acceptance of it. As was pointed out in one instance equivalent ...

[i]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.[/i]

The scriptures flood the mind;

You have not resisted to the point of shedding blood. If your hand, your eye causes you to sin ... deny yourself and perhaps just this one comment from the article;

“I had a lot of questions [about faith], but at the bottom of everything was a feeling that I didn’t hate myself anymore, so in that sense I felt closer to God.”

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, [u]and his own life also[/u], he cannot be my disciple.

A Christian does not [i]quit[/i]. Does not capitulate to the enemy. Does not seek to find deliverance by going to a Church of Satan ... That is one which turns the truth of God on it's head and affirms people in their sin. No. Wrong is wrong and falsehood is false, it will ever be so.

Krispy is dead on the point earlier and honest enough to state it - It is the crux of the whole argument ultimately, just what we would do short of being kept ... Resistance, endurance, [i]death[/i] to our 'self'. This is a battleground not a playground ...

The reason for the mentions of the messages earlier is just to gain some perspective - They are tremendously challenging and rightly comparable .. I could but pray for a hearing ...

Yes, I believe Steve is right. Imagine if we all gave into our hedonistic passions even for a moment. Many of us have, since conversion, though behind closed doors and we immediately felt the effects of a decimated conscience. For some of us, the pain involved was too much to bear...and it drove us back to Jesus in tears, with confessions and repentance.

We all have failed God in private. Each and every day our minds are assailed by impure thoughts, selfish impulses, tempatations to deny God and just cave into sin. Hopefully we learn from previous failures that the price of giving into a momentary pleasure is grossly inproportionate to the pangs of grief and agony we expeience from our lacerated consciences. God will allow us to fail over and over and over again until we at last learn [i]there is nothing good within ourselves and the flesh can never be improved[/i]. Perhaps this is something that this singer (I have no idea who he is - I have been totally out of touch with commercial Christiandom for years) is going through to reach this conclusion. If it is, this is the greatest blessing that could happen to him...if it leads to godly sorrow and repentance. But if he is only going public about it to "confirm" God's alleged sanction of this sin upon his life, this is another story. In any case, it's not the homosexuality that matters in this case - it's a deeper cause. Down deep somewhere there's an unaxed root still bringing forth this kind of fruit. The root was never dealt with in the right way, it's toxic fruit never feared.

The best way to inoculate oneself against a poison is to ingest a little bit of it over a period of time...with increasing dosages. This is what people do with allergy shots, booster shots, vaccinations - the key is to introduce a weakened, yet "live specimen" to the system (the scientific word for this is 'attenuation') and let the body build up it's own immunity to it. Increase the specimen's strength, and the body gradually increases its own resistance, until finally, one day, you can introduce an unattentuated full-strength virus or allergen or toxin and the body can effectively fight it off.

Satan knew about vaccinations before Louis Pasteur, I can assure you. If the root is not dealt with, the fruit will continue...but in very small, hidden amounts. The mind becomes slowly desensitized, and eventually accepts it in small dosages. It's like a reverse vaccination; here instead we have the toxin breaking [i]us[/i] down, and conditioning [i]us[/i] to recieve more and more of the influence until finally it unlods its loathsome tentacles inside us, full bloom. By then we are gripped, strangled, inoculated, we believe the lie, we are handed over to the subverter.

Doctors tell us to take [i]all the antibiotic[/i] when we have an infection, and this is so we don't stop half-way through killing the bugs and allow them to regroup and build a resistance to that specific weapon. In the same way we are told to [i]flee[/i] youthful lusts by the Word of God for a good reason. We are told to mortifiy indwelling sin by the Spirit of God. It is crucial that we never stop this business of mortification; we can't ever stop the treatment and just sit down and relax. Especially once we've begun God's prescibed treatment and have begun mortification therapy. If we do, sin, like baceria, will be afforded a chance to build a resistance and wound our mind, and bring the weapons we have been using to nought. Sin is oppurtunistic! It creeps. This is why we must quarantine our dear infected brethren like the inspired Apostle Paul taught by the Spirit.

I have to die to myself daily on a number of different things. Lust of the eyes being one of them. Most Christian men won't admit they struggle with this, but hey... I'll be honest about it. I do!

___, - - - I agree with you Enid, and with you KK Homosexuality is the only sin in the eyes of God that is an abomination. Who are we to judge – God loves the sinner but hates the sin.

What is the difference between a Homosexual and a Prostitute?

What is the difference between a Homosexual and a Prostitute?

KK, the question was not based on any such act, but sin itself and it being an abomination in the eyes of God. KK you like to expand on the sin of Homosexuality as being the greater sin, but again my question to you, is "What is the difference between a Homosexual and a Prositute"?

Greetings ACcrawford

Not to step in and answer for Krispy but he did actually answer your question if you read his post. He stated......

There isnt any difference as far as both being lost and needing God grace and forgiveness.

However lets keep in mind that scripture says several times that homosexuality is something that is very much against nature itself, in other words: against creation. From this we can derive that God never intended for the human body to do homosexual acts. Whereas the prostitute is committing moral sin, but not "acts against nature".
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I meant to add that I am praying for Ray Boltz to see the sin that he is now embracing as such and that he will repent and return to the Lord. It is sad to see someone who has written such beautiful music fall away and be deceived.

God Bless
MJ

sin is insanity.

David

We all have failed God in private. Each and every day our minds are assailed by impure thoughts, selfish impulses, temptations to deny God and just cave into sin. Hopefully we learn from previous failures that the price of giving into a momentary pleasure is grossly inproportionate to the pangs of grief and agony we expeience from our lacerated consciences. God will allow us to fail over and over and over again until we at last learn there is nothing good within ourselves and the flesh can never be improved. Perhaps this is something that this singer (I have no idea who he is - I have been totally out of touch with commercial Christiandom for years) is going through to reach this conclusion. If it is, this is the greatest blessing that could happen to him...if it leads to godly sorrow and repentance. But if he is only going public about it to "confirm" God's alleged sanction of this sin upon his life, this is another story. In any case, it's not the homosexuality that matters in this case - it's a deeper cause. Down deep somewhere there's an unaxed root still bringing forth this kind of fruit. The root was never dealt with in the right way, it's toxic fruit never feared.

Well said Paul, all of what you said here, This is still vexing me - There is a collision of contradictions that just cannot be. We can not have it both ways, something or Someone has to be denied in the process. I am just as unsure whether it is the [i]church[/i] that is more aggravating then what this ... man has allowed himself to be deluded into, likely it is equal - To find an outlet of acceptance that soothes the conscience and makes it "Okay" to have both sin and Christ. God forbid.

You just do not up and end your marriage to satisfy your lust's ... the discussions and turmoil we have had here over just the issue of remarriage and divorce alone, multiple pages on multiple postings and yet somehow when it turns to the homosexual there is this strange equivocating even if it is but subtle.

This is utterly selfish, to the core. It gives the world a decidedly poor example and a very wrong proscription of what a Christian [i]is[/i], what it means, what it [i]demands[/i].

There is also the matter of music itself here. There is something about being emotionally toyed with, manipulated by it, even deceived by it that shouldn't be overlooked.

I am just as well praying for him, but I am praying that he might be made absolutely [i]miserable[/i] and full of shame and conviction that leads him right back into 'the closet' and to suffering if he must - So be it. Welcome to the club, just like the rest of us who are fighting on day after day striving against sin ...