ADULTERY - Repent, or You Will Never Be Forgiven

Adultery is a sin which leads to hell. It is my duty as a minister to warn you, so that your blood will not be on my hands.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

SHALL NOT INHERIT the kingdom of God - GOD WILL JUDGE

What does that mean? If you do not inherit the kingdom of God, does it mean you will be in a state of limbo? No, there are only two places to go. Either in the Kingdom of God, or in the caverns of hell. GOD WILL JUDGE - Anyone who comes under the judgment of God is sent to hell, because ALL HAVE SINNED. So - you need mercy, not judgment. And you won’t get mercy if you are an adulterer. Mercy and Judgment are opposites. If you have one, you cannot have the other.

Now WHAT is Marriage, so that such a breakdown causes a person to be sent to hell? Is it in the power of a priest or a pastor to declare "Man and Wife", therefore determine whether one is sent to hell or heaven? No. Or can a Government Officer in the case of Civil Marriage be vested with such eternal powers? Never.

Marriage is a PHYSICAL ACT of taking the VIRGINITY of a woman, then she becomes your wife. How many of you are “married” by a priest (or in the Registry Office) to a woman who is not a virgin? Then your “marriage” is null and void. It has got nothing to do with being Born Again, or being a new creation. A woman is still your wife, irrespective of the new birth. TO PROVE THIS look at

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

So we see that a person is still married, even if he then becomes a new believer! He is still married if he is an “Unbeliever”! You are still married to the woman you took virginity from, even if “you were not saved” at the time.

MERCY AVAILABLE ONLY ON REPENTANCE

In the text we see “ADULTERERS, GOD WILL JUDGE” we are to understand it means a PERSISTENT Adulterer. Many have committed adultery, but no longer. These can have mercy. The Judgment of God only extends to those who persist in it, and do not give it up.

This is a man-made religiousity, made up by man to help combat fornication, nothing more.

This smells of Catholicism all over it.

Krispy wrote:

If that were the case then Noah was married to his daughters.

Mind explaining this? I never heard this concept before.

Thanks!
ginnyrose

I think it is possible for a born again believer to commit adultery and i'm sure everyone has done it in their heart already. But i don't know any born again believer who would not repent of it sooner or later unless they didn't have the holy spirit. Your assuming that someone would continue in it. Why does hell and heaven depend on our actions over what christ has done and us submitting to that truth completely. Jesus's death was not for part of our sins but for all of them. But the truth is that a born again believer will repent even if it takes a mighty hand of God to do so. Even let satan torture the person physically until they repent. A righteous man call fall 7 times and will get back up every time. A wicked person will continue in it. Don't underestimate the power of the conviction of the holy spirit and the chastizing of our lord, he will bring his child back somehow, if not he will bring him home. Adultery is a terrible offense and lusting is too. But our Lord will finish the good work he began in you, this is not the old testament where the the holy spirit didn't abide in the humans, and they fell away off into their own persistent will. But now Gods law shall be written in their hearts through his son Jesus Christ and he will make them obedient to him through his spirit.

I think Krispy was talking about Lots daughters possibly?(incest?)And made a typo error???????

no problem, we love you still.

Marriage is a PHYSICAL ACT of taking the VIRGINITY of a woman, then she becomes your wife. This is what is meant by “God making the two into one flesh” (Matthew 19:5). It is NOT by taking a mere ”vow”, it is by a PHYSICAL ACT. How many of you are “married” by a priest (or in the Registry Office) by taking a vow, to a woman who is not a virgin? Then your “marriage” is null and void. Four points to note:

1. VIRGINITY respects a Woman, not a man. We never hear of the Virgin Joseph. Only the Virgin Mary.

2. Marriage is FOUNDED ON VIRGINITY. Several Scriptures IN THE KING JAMES BIBLE prove this, both in the Old Testament (Exodus 22:16 and Deuteronomy 22:28-29), and the New Testament (1 Corinthians Chapter 7, read verses 28, 34 and 36).

3. Divorce is tantamount to Adultery. Jesus Christ himself teaches this (Matt. 5:32 - Matt. 19:3-9 - Luke. 16:18 - Mark. 10:2-12)

4. It has got nothing to do with being Born Again, or being a new creation. A woman is still your wife, irrespective of the new birth.

etc.. etc...

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I have only been married to one woman but she was married before she and I were. She has a son that she and I raised from the age of two. I have previously referred to him on this forum as my forty eight year old son. In some of the more base religions my wife and I were not forgiven at the time we were saved even though they claim all the nasty vile things they did were all forgiven. Go figure!

Eddie

My bad... how embarrassing! Oh boy! lol...
Hey, listen, when I teach I gaff all the time. My wife is right there afterwards to point them all out for me!!

My face is red.

Somehow I think I got mixed up in my mind about Noah getting drunk and his son seeing his "nakedness", and the story about Lott.

Krispy, we all make mistakes....but you did have me scratch my memory of trying to figure out what you were saying! At least your post was not three pages long. :-)

God bless and take care!

ginnyrose

The errors I perceive.

1. Pre-marital sex is a sin, where "pre-marital" means "before making a vow" by way of church wedding, priest blessing, or signatures on a paper.

2. That "fornication" means the above - it rather means, having sex with a non-virgin. Technically, Fornication comes from the greek word "porno" which is commonly known as "the display of a woman in sex to a man who is not her husband ". Biblically, it means a woman having two husbands - where the Pharisees retorted at Jesus suggesting they had another father besides Abraham, they stated - "We are not children of fornication"

3. The errors developing from the above. When Jesus says, "you cannot get a divorce, saving for fornication". People have said this to mean, if your spouse has sex with another person, this gives you the right to divorce. NO. The truth has been turned inside out, with this interpretation. The truth is, You can NEVER divorce. You can only divorce if the woman was never your wife in the first place, ie, she was not a virgin, which is why Jesus says, divorce is permissible in the case of fornication.

4. Fornication is seen as the CARDINAL sin - which is another error. This belief comes from seeing fornication as so bad, as to warrant dividing asunder what God has joined together. Naturally, many errors diverge out of the one fundamental mistake of forgetting that MARRIAGE = VIRGINITY

RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE TRUTH

Regarding Hosea, your reasoning would appear plausible, except that Hosea was a singular case, much like Isaiah is told to walk naked on the street:

Isaiah 20:2 At the same time spake the LORD by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot.

Is the bible teaching us to walk naked on the street? In the same way, is the Bible teaching us to marry a wife of whoredoms, as Hosea?

No, in fact the Bible is teaching us to do the very opposite:

1 Corinthians 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

Hosea's "wife" is only called his wife, because marriage can sometimes less strictly be defined as having sex, whether with a harlot, or indeed with anyone:

1 Corinthians 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

The cases where Jesus proposes divorce is the situation where a man is married in this less strict sense.

Marriage is a PHYSICAL ACT of taking the VIRGINITY of a woman, then she becomes your wife.

This thread is coming dangerously close to being locked. Proceed with discretion.

Rightly said by Paul West of locking this. I think, as others do, that the comments made here (esp. by "bible school") are disturbing. I dont agree with these on many a time.

Hi

I don't even think what "Bible school" is talking about is "Law" either.

bibleschool,

Methinks your are complicating a very simple concept and in doing so making it very confusing.

For starters may I suggest you go study the OT law to see how the scriptures define adultery, immorality and the law's response to it and then come back to see what Jesus says about it. The Scriptures will define the meanings of these terms and that is what one must go with, not inject our own interpretation.

For starters go to Leviticus 18, 20-21 and Deuteronomy 21 and 22. When you understand the context (under the OT law) in which Jesus lived, his words will make a whole lot more sense.

BTW, there have been many threads on SI dealing with divorce and remarriage: You may want to check those out.

ginnyrose

I perceive restitution is left undone.

You cannot be saved while robbing a bank. While your gun is pointed to the bank cashier, can you be in a justified state?

If you then get saved, would God accept you in his kingdom, while you did nothing to return the money? While you held it in your hand, or while you had the means to repay it - could God accept you, while you withold it thus?

Shall we not say the same when a man has another man's wife? Can he be justified while he thus witholds her, and does not restore her to where she belongs?

We would call it an abomination for a thief to not return what he stole, on coming to Christ. How then can we stop short of coming to the same conclusion, in respect to stealing another man's wife?

Indeed, this is the meaning of a little known sermon of Charles Finney's called SALVATION IMPOSSIBLE TO THE SINNER

You may listen to it here. (It is in fact me who is reading it to you):

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=15055

[b][size=large][font=Impact]Well look at this![/font][/size][/b]

[b][size=medium][color=000099]Summary made by Dean Taylor of Early Church Doctrine on Marriage, Divorce and Remarriage 90 A.D. – 419 A.D.[/color][/size][/b]

[i]If a spouse persists in adulterous behavior and there is no other alternative, the marriage relationship can be terminated by the innocent party (Hermes, Clement, Jerome, Augustine).

Spouses that are divorced for any reason must remain celibate and single as long as both spouses live. Remarriage is expressly prohibited (Hermes, Justin Martyr, Clement, Origen, Basil, Ambrose, Jerome, Augustine).

To indulge in lust with the mind is to be guilty of adultery of the heart (Justin Martyr).

Whoever marries a divorced person commits adultery (Hermes, Justin Martyr, Clement, Origen, Basil, Ambrose, Jerome, Augustine).

Whoever contracts a second marriage, whether a Christian or not, while a former spouse lives is sinning against God (Justin Martyr, Ambrose).

God does not, and the Church must not, take into account human law when it is in violation of God’s law (Justin Martyr, Origen, Ambrose).

God judges motives and intentions, private thought life and actions (Justin Martyr).

The marriage covenant between a man and a woman is permanent, as long as both husband and wife are alive (Clement, Origen, Ambrose, Jerome, Augustine).

It is a serious offence against God to take another person’s spouse (Basil).

The Church must charge all persons who are in possession of another living person’s former husband or wife with adultery (Basil).

Marriage and affection with a remarried spouse while a former spouse lives is the sin of adultery (Hermes, Justin Martyr, Clement, Origen, Basil, Ambrose, Jerome, Augustine).

It is a serious mistake to believe that it is simply one’s right to divorce a spouse and take another. Even though human law may permit such a thing, God strictly forbids it, and cannot, and will not honor it (Clement, Origen, Ambrose, Jerome, Augustine).

Anyone who follows human customs and laws regarding marriage, divorce and remarriage, instead of God’s divine instructions should stand in fearful awe of God Himself (Clement, Ambrose).

All lawmakers, in and out of the Church are warned, to their peril, to hear and obey the Word of the Lord in regard to His commands on marriage and divorce (Ambrose).
Christians are to stop making excuses and trying to find justification for divorce and remarriage. There are no valid reasons acceptable to God (Jerome, Augustine).

A marriage is for life. No matter what a spouse turns out to be, or how they may act, what they do or don’t do, or the sins they commit, the covenant remains fully in effect. A remarriage while a former spouse lives is not marriage at all, but sinful adultery. God does not divide the one flesh relationship except by physical death (Hermes, Clement, Origen, Basil, Ambrose, Jerome, Augustine).

Marriage is a lifelong covenant that will never be invalidated by God while both parties live (Hermes, Justin Martyr, Clement, Origen, Basil, Ambrose, Augustine).

It never has been lawful, it is not now lawful, and it never will be lawful to divorce and remarry. To say and do otherwise is to worship and adopt the adulterous superstitions of a different God than the one to which we have to do (Augustine).[/i]

How does God Sees It?
Listen to Roman Kauffman on the subject.

I dont care what any of these men might have said if it doesnt jive with scripture.

Amen to that.

So also I don’t care what you would say, seeing it doesn’t jive with scripture, sorry I don't want to sound discourteous.

Romans 7 and many other scripture clearly teaches that remarriage is adultery. You would defend an unbiblical concept of remarriage that is ok with me, but make sure you not fighting against God.

One man with God is a majority, remember that.

The sad truth is many people today think in a theological box that they crew up in, God have mercy on us. His word has not changed, Jesus called it adultery and so did the Apostles and the Early Church and the Anabaptist and many other Godly men of old.

“Interesting that you quote from Catholic "Saints". That wont get you too far around here.”

You missed the point; I don’t want to get far around here nor any were. Some of these men are the disciples of the Apostles them self. I suppose you know better then them.

Strange that men would try to justify sin when they should call for repentance.

I can agree that some of those names are questionable. Yet I placed them all up seeing this is an open forum (some are from this back ground some from that) so one will read this post and find him self confronted because those whom he esteems are quoted. Yet I often wonder why it is so easy to disregard these men of faith and not rather your own concepts and understanding. It can be that we have become so proud and self conceited; therefore strife often comes when he that is wrong is too blind to see it.

Why give men false hope?
Listen to

Llewellyn,

I looked up the link you provided and read the "confession of faith". There is a ton of man-made rules installed in place of grace.

I serve the Lord who fullfilled the law. Krispy is right, this is a non-debate.

[size=medium]Few still stand for the truth.[/size]

How blessed I was to read your post Llewellyn.

I looked at your links, what a blessing. May the work there in Namibia prosper.

I have had three marriages, God deliver me from the second two before I even knew the danger I was in. Today I praise Him for His mercy on my life, I can just rejoice when I realize what He has done.

I am a single grandfather today. I can honestly say I have seen the error of second marriages and all the confusion it brings.

Remarriage is adultery!!

The scripture says: "And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter.
Mar 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, [b]and marry another, committeth adultery against her.[/b]"

I am so thankful that our God is a God of mercy and grace. I'll take grace everytime.

Hey if this post draws new users I praise the Lord.

I can see that this topic will be going nowhere. I will pray for you Krispy.

I will leave it for now, yet know this. The Word can not be changed to your liking. All you say can be disproved, just by one word.

The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband [b]liveth[/b]; but if her husband be [u][b]dead[/b][/u], she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. (1Co 7:39)

You give just one scripture that so clearly say that a divorced person may remarry, not this assumption business. Come just one!! There aren’t any. Many that leave room for divorce yet non that say “you divorced person can marry again”

I know many saying [b][size=medium]clearly[/size][/b] don’t.

That does not change the truth of this doctrine that the Lord teaches those that can hear.

Llewellyn wrote:

I know many saying [b][size=medium]clearly[/size][/b] don’t.

As do I. As does Krispy. As do many Christians. I agree with most of what you are saying. But... not all scripture says "don't". And that is the issue at hand.

The debates of the ages seem to always want to humble the other to prove his own superiority. This is what Krispy is doing. You see he has read all the commentaries and has become wise. Scripture says that our wisdom and our knowledge, can pervert us. So how shall I answer?

I will answer him according to his folly. For it seem he needs some Greek classes to know that “bondage” in the mentioned scripture means “to enslave” and in context it means that she is at liberty to now only serve the Lord and not her husband as well. It does not say she may remarry.

You have no scripture to support our ideology. :-)

Ya, it is fun to frazzel Krispy.

Opps :-P

[b]I beg you, in the love of Christ, to read this entire post before responding.[/b]

Marriage is never presented in the Bible as solely physical union.

Marriage involves covenant. Hence, the bride of Christ are partakers in the new covenant. Marriage involves a covenant between both parties to be married for the entirety of their lives. Fornication involves no such covenant and no such promises; therefore, is not marriage.

Other aspects of Biblical knowledge come into play here. There are covenants, and then there are signs of the covenants. There was covenant with Noah, and there was the rainbow, the sign of the covenant. There was the covenant with Abraham, and then there was circumcision, the sign of the covenant. There is the new covenant with those of faith, and then there is baptism and the Lord's supper, signs of the covenant.

Marriage is the covenant, physical union is the sign of the covenant. It follows the pattern of the divine covenants throughout Scripture.

One can partake of the Lord's supper and baptism (signs of the covenant), yet not be married to the Lord. Likewise, one can sinfully partake of the sign of the covenant of marriage, yet they are not married to the person.

Adam and Eve were joined together by God in a covenant relationship of marriage. [b]Notice in Matthew 1:19 that Joseph is called Mary's husband before any physical union has taken place.[/b] Why? They had entered into a covenant.

There are people on this board who genuinely desire to follow the Lord according to his revealed word in the Scriptures, and if your teachings were Biblical, we would gladly submit to them out of love for Christ. However, the fact is, as I have noted above, they aren't Biblical.

You said in your original post that you desired to "get the blood off your hands". If that was your desire, you have already done so. You should hold your peace now, lest the Lord find you guilty of fulfilling this verse:

[i]Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; (Ezekiel 13:20-22)[/i]

"'Then neither do I condemn you,' Jesus declared. 'Go now and leave your life of sin.'" If Jesus did not condemn her and forgave her that is all I need to know about how my Lord and savior and how he treats folks that have committed adultery. It's called Grace folks Grace and Grace is the "ONLY" way we will get into Heaven, because none of us deserve Heaven, not one of us.

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