Barack Hussein Obama Wins - God's Chasetisement to Begin

I do not like Barack. Never have.

It is wrong that people in Christian circles continually quote his middle name,as if that is inherently evil. Guess what? If he was truly born again his middle name would still be Hussein.

Obey the government, for God is the one who put it there. All governments have been placed in power by God. So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow. For the authorities do not frighten people who are doing right, but they frighten those who do wrong. So do what they say, and you will get along well. The authorities are sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for you will be punished. The authorities are established by God for that very purpose, to punish those who do wrong. So you must obey the government for two reasons: to keep from being punished and to keep a clear conscience. Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid so they can keep on doing the work God intended them to do.
(Rom 13:1-6)

That is a wrap, great post, but stop hating the man and pray for his soul....

No body barked when GW Bush tookover, come on saints, let us be Christian first, Americans last.

We are in God's Army

We only "obey" the governement concerning rightoues laws...Pauls intent was not to obey the governement if it calls you to endorse or do evil.. remember Daniel?? To easy.

Of course - as of now no one is being forced under to do anything unrighteous so that is a mute point. We must remember that according to scripture Obama was allowed to be in power by God - "Obey the government, for God is the one who put it there. All governments have been placed in power by God."

Also, you must remember who Paul was witting to, who was in power and what there rule at that time looked like. Do you think Ceaser was more or less righteous then Obama and do you think Roman rule was better then American government? The Scripture is from the book of "Romans"

That is a wrap, great post, but stop hating the man and pray for his soul....

Amen

Patrick

The people have chosen who they will serve.

We have told God that mammon means more to us than life. We have told God that we need a saviour other than Jesus Christ. We have brought this wrath upon ourselves.

Even in the conservative, religious county that I live in, the same choice has been made. I have seen God's hand of protection over this community, but I fear that that is all about to change, for we have turned against Him and declared our pocket book to be of greater importance than life.

Woe to the inhabitants of the earth.

Your amount of words and the impression that is etched from those words are loud N clear.

Did u call Mr Bush a Fox? Because He has turned out to be a very sneaky squirrel, slowly stealing acorns....

Just the way I get it, I have been here for only a few days, I am not at all impressed. We need fresh Wind saints...

Hate in the greek simply means to "love-less", that was my meaning...

With Love

We have told God that mammon means more to us than life. We have told God that we need a saviour other than Jesus Christ. We have brought this wrath upon ourselves.

I trust you are speaking for yourself and those around you, leave me out of that list though, thankyou.

Careful saints. There is some ratcheting up the rhetoric in this that is outside the thrust of the thoughts and intentions of SermonIndex. It would do little good to express redundantly whether or not these things might play out but we might keep in mind that the office is not to be changed over for a couple of months still ...

Mark you calendars and let's revisit this in a year, see where we are at or even sooner if events prove to be true. Right now it is a great deal of speculation.

Just a reminder;

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Hi everyone,

rh200300, can you substantiate the claims that you have made here and are you able to provide sources for the content and claims you have made?

I do not at all mean this as an attack.

Thank you,

Chris

EDIT I want to be clear I'm not trying to attack anyone here. I would be very much concerned [u]for myself[/u] to see concrete substantiation of these things before I mentioned them to others.

I agree with the moderator, we should not let our hearts wander too much. Whatever concerns we have regarding the recent events, let's submit them to God, we can always hide in His sanctuary.

All posts I appreciate, some with caution, but this moment is a moment that we should spend in our prayer closets or in self-examination.

If we will not be careful, we might as well allow a different spirit that will only spoil us.

I trust you are speaking for yourself and those around you, leave me out of that list though, thankyou.

I include myself because I also live in this country and there have been times that I have not stood against the darkness for the Truth that lies within. By not disagreeing, I have agreed. By the things that I have owned I have made others envious. Things that I have said and done or worn have spoken louder than the Christ that is within me. There are times when I have walked right by people in need - not even pausing long enough to see the need. Yes, I too am at fault.

Oh Father, forgive us for these things that we have done in your Name. For putting ourselves above the needs of others. For not allowing you to purify us so that you could shine forth. For letting our selfishness cloud the beauty of your amazing grace. No wonder they went looking for another Saviour and value money more than life. Show us our sin Father, so that we may repent. Cleanse us Father, so that through us others may be brought unto Thee. Heal our land O Lord. I pray these things in the Precious Name of Jesus.

Hi rh200300,

I went to the site that you provided the link for. I saw what appeared to be an identical post to the one you posted here and also some others asking for some facts concerning these things.

Given the nature of these claims I would ask to see source material substantiating the claims also. If I missed this somehow please let me know.

Thank you again,

Chris

It would do little good to express redundantly whether or not these things might play out

Drive on saints. Progress. Don't become entangeld in worldy affairs, but rather do what the Word says and study to live peaceful, quiet lives and pray for the men God has put in authority over us. If we are mindful to do this, the Lord will grant us peace in our hearts no matter what the outcome.

Can we do this, and let God be God? I know whom I voted for, you know whom you voted for, and we know the whole world lieth in darkness. Let's be lights now, and not political gossip mongrels, not busybodies, not worldy conjecturers. There are plenty of other forums for that, but SermonIndex is a special place, wholesome and honorable in God and we should endeavor to live by faith and not by sight as we sojourn here.

Saints, God is in total control. These are amazing times that demand our utmost sobriety in Christ. Take heed of yourselves and the thoughts and anxieties you allow to beseige and besmudge your minds and hearts. Preserve them instead for God and His Word.

Brother Paul

I say most Christian TV should be shut down... but not by the government. It should be shut down by the church standing to truth and against false teachers.

Agreed - you hit the nail on the head with that one Krispy!

Who's in control? Everyone needs to chill.

Again we need to look to Scripture and stand on the word of God instead of letting our fears, emotion and flesh get the best of us

Obey the government, for God is the one who put it there. All governments have been placed in power by God. So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow. For the authorities do not frighten people who are doing right, but they frighten those who do wrong. So do what they say, and you will get along well. The authorities are sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for you will be punished. The authorities are established by God for that very purpose, to punish those who do wrong. So you must obey the government for two reasons: to keep from being punished and to keep a clear conscience. Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid so they can keep on doing the work God intended them to do.
(Rom 13:1-6)

Patrick
www.revivalarmy.com

Re:
by passerby on 2008/11/5 22:58:21

I agree with the moderator, we should not let our hearts wander too much. Whatever concerns we have regarding the recent events, let's submit them to God, we can always hide in His sanctuary.

All posts I appreciate, some with caution, but this moment is a moment that we should spend in our prayer closets or in self-examination.

If we will not be careful, we might as well allow a different spirit that will only spoil us.

PAsserby,

Your post is exactly what I have atempted to convey......

Hi everyone.

I appreciate what John suggested and I have been using the internet to research some things I've read during the election.

But, I think we have a tremendous responsibilty here as those who claim to represent and stand for Truth.

I think this is especially true for us here, in how we respond to others, and how we treat them in the things we say and write about them. It may be one way, that others will take seriously the things we say and claim, in seeing how we treat those who we disagree with or who are opposed to our cause. And, that like as King David, we will not use the sword of expediency to fight with those who would do us harm, if that sword is not a just one.

We have an obligation to speak with caution where we do not speak for God and to protect the reputations of others, and to be altogether carefull and honest in the claims we make about them.

Grace and peace be with you all.

America was in deep trouble even before Obama.

You would have been worse off if McCain had won as well.

". . . . .You would have been worse off if McCain had won as well."

This is your opinion and I do not see how it advances the spirit discussed throughout this thread by the moderators.

I understand how easily it is to have strong opinions about this and am trying to kill mine. You are not helping me, and possibly others who live in this Country. I will try and consider that you are heading for the same Heavenly Home that I am. I ask why you would say something that would make me feel unwelcome when we meet there?

Please do not let your distaste for our Country color your opinion of the Saints who have been placed here by our Lord. We are all doing the best we can to serve Jesus. Are your opinions formed through CNN and other News Media? Maybe you do not know their reports are slanted and do not normally show the truth.

This is my first post here. I have been visiting this site and reading this forum for a while. It helps me to read the posts by the good people here. They are going to be a big help through the next 4 years, I am certain. Not just to me but their influence will be to all around them. That is the kind of revival that is needed. Christians being Christians - not Americans or Canadians, not Chinese or Mexican - just Christians being full of the love of God.

I've said enough,
Kind Regards,
White Stone

God judges nations. The Bible is full of testimonies to that. We have elected a President who has openly stated that the first legislation he is going to sign is the Freedom of Choice Act which is in Congress. If you're interested,there is plenty on the internet about it. This Act will create at a Federal level not only the killing of fetuses but also babies born alive in a late term abortion procedures. It will also make liable under the law Christian physicians who refuse to perform an abortion for a woman who desire one. That Act alone is cause for great alarm and concern for the judgement of God on a people. God is not mocked and there is a level of "national" sin that he will judge. I'm not one to sit in God's judgement seat, but this is worthy of at least alarm and prayer in God's people and for fear about what may come of this nation. My trust is not in a nation but in the righteous and holy anger of a just God. Ichabod is an apt description for what can happen and never in our country's history have the seeds for such a calamity been riper for a church that fails to move in response to open and notorious sin. I would rather God's church take on the attitude of Phineas than of the priests who cried "peace, peace".

Repentcanada,

your reply was honest not appeasing, I appreciate it bro.

Whyme,

This country has declined way before Barack Obama was even thought of, everyone really needs to honor that so we can stay focused with the fact that we are onward christian soldiers n the Lord wants us to gear up and get ready for the battle no matter who n what is taking over.

As I have said before, let us just wait and see first before we become controversial with our opinions.

Jesus is our God, He is our allegiance!, not the flag! We are the born again, the converted. Let us all visit the Book of Acts once again, and get recharged, let us make prayer our food, and fasting, true fasting if we are so agitated, our longing or are we just irritated for a moment.

We all should have been vexed 8, 16, 20, 30, 50, 100 years ago.

Praises to the God n Our Father of the Lord Jesus Christ

Hi everyone,

To the poster called Godsfire,

"your reply was honest not appeasing, I appreciate it bro."

Someone before this expressed how the comments you are refering to(I think) were not helping them to get over their own opinons about this whole issue. They said:

"I understand how easily it is to have strong opinions about this and am trying to kill mine. You are not helping me, and possibly others who live in this Country."

Are you helping him and others by sharing your opinion here at the top?

Chris, I must have missed that

And I mean no hard , oversight on my part, I AM SORRY

But also, Chris, I realize that many are venting, but are we here to vent about who won or didn't win and election.......

God is in control right
I am really asking with a twist of true examination of what we believe, but definitely not to offend

To Chris,

Thank you for considering what I said.

To GodsFire.

To the I considered late into the night the post I made and the comment that prompted it. This morning I looked at the thread and did not see good fruit from my planting. Perhaps I need to do more plowing, fertilizing and cultivation before I can hope for fruit?

To say I am sorry is great.
To use all caps (which is considered 'shouting' in internet posting) is not great.
To immediately follow the shouted apology with But . . dismisses my point and brings up yours as more important. This is not what I have learned from the Scriptures. This treatment I do expect from worldly people, however.

Please, take the beam out of your own eye, so we can come together as we should. In the spirit of forgiveness and cooperation I will try to view your post in as favorable a light as possible, but your phrasing and punctuation make it difficult to do so. (What do you mean, "And I mean no hard , oversight on my part,?" Did you even consider what I said - the whole post? I think not. It seems you were so anxious to express your support and view that you stepped all over me.

I do not want to have to avoid posting on threads where I see your name and your 'pals.' Perhaps I should avoid posting altogether, rather than make waves? Is that the way it is here?

Best regards,
White Stone

Easy folks......

This is the reason that posters are asked to refrain from speaking about politics in these forums. No one wishes to silence anyone's thoughts, just to minimize the desention that usually happens when politics are involved. Trust me, I graduated with a degree in Political Science/Public Administration and worked as a lobbiest at the state capital. I love debating politics, but this is not the forum.

Let's honor the Lord by rejoicing for a wonderful day today. The sun came up today (if you live in Wisconsin, it was behind the clouds, but it still rose), and Obama is still president elect. May the Lord bless him in his journey and may He open all of our leaders eyes to the Truth.

"Perhaps I should avoid posting altogether, rather than make waves? Is that the way it is here?"

I will check back sometime and see if there ever was a reply. Are there any live souls here?

Brethren, this thread is on the verge of being locked. Please try to avoid these political traps. No one is ever edified by them.

To those that are new here: political discussions on Sermonindex are not encouraged. We've let these run their length a bit, in light of the recent election in the USA, but they have worn out their welcome and now it is time for them to go away - and stay away.

They are a dark bane and an unecessary cause of divide for otherwise peaceful Christian men and women. Please avoid them and do not initiate them. I don't even like to discuss politics with unsaved people, knowing the division and ill feelings they can cause there as well..and ultimately risk the damage of my testimony which is meant to [i]transcend[/i] politics.

Warriors in Christ, get yourselves untangled from these tentacles and reserve your strength for the real foe at hand: the unseen spirit that drives the political fervor of this world. We wrestle not against Obama or McCain, but with the force that prods such men and shapes the elections of this world.

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