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Question Please Is it biblical for women to open air preach

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awakenwithin

I would love to hera from the word of God if this biblical. Or if this is the best for a women as a help mate to a man? Does this take the place where a man could be? Would it better serve to have her support them, and prayig? THe question isn't what she can't but what would fullfil a biblical role best

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charlene

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KingJimmy

Mary was one of the first preachers. She went and told the apostles that she had seen the risen Lord, and that they were to go to Galilee just as He said. If this is not preaching, then I don't know what is.

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Smokey


Preach on sis. All believers are called to share thier faith...
Blessings Greg ;-)

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sermonindex

You asked what would fulfill a biblical role best. I would say that one on one witnessing and praying and such would best fulfill the biblical role.

Open air preaching is different from one on one witnessing. I have seen many ladies do excellent one on one witnessing.
God bless, John

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sermonindex

I asked my husband about this and he said he doesn't see any problem with it. I have open air preached quite a few times already and once with my husband. Were a busy family right now with five kids, my husband works full time and has college online at night and I work fulltime. My priority according to Titus 2 is my husband and family first, secondly whatever else the Lord leads me to do once I clear it with my husband.

It's interesting you brought this up because yesterday after church one of the women made a sign saying something to the effect of "repent, Jesus is coming soon!" I prayed a long time ago for another woman to preach with or I couldn't go because my husband does not want me preaching with other men, understandably. So who knows, Lord willing, if my husband is ok with it than maybe I will make a sign up and join her. One thing that has always been on my husband's heart is to get involved with the members of our church.

I would have to pray about it though. My husband agrees with me that we need to be led of the spirit. He also agrees with me that it needs to be done in a way that glorifies the Lord, being a woman. I don't feel as a woman that it is our place to be confrontational but to just simply share the gospel.

Most of all my husband and I believe that whatever you do, man or woman, you need to be led of the spirit.

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

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Mattie

Also... the woman at Samaria in John 4 who Jesus ministered to. She ended up leading the entire city to Christ.

And not only her, but the first ones to declare that Christ is risen on the day of His resurrection were all women.

Absolutely - a woman can open-air preach. Male and female, Jew and Greek, slave or free - all are one in Christ.

Anyone who says other wise is bound by legalism

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Lysa


awakenwithin wrote:
I would love to hera from the word of God if this biblical. Or if this is the best for a women as a help mate to a man? Does this take the place where a man could be? Would it better serve to have her support them, and prayig? THe question isn't what she can't but what would fullfil a biblical role best

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charlene


You are bound by your husband if you are married. (For other women out there: If he won't let you, then pray!) I knew a woman who the Lord had called her to minister and her husband was dead-set against it. Well, she put it back in the Lord's hands. She quietly prayed, "Lord, if this won't work for my man, it won't work for anybody's man...." Not long after, her husband was on board standing beside her ministering too! (But that was inside air! ;-) )

This is my personal addition, so take it for what it's worth! People are sick and tired of hearing they are going to hell. Share in love what Christ has done for you. He's alive and well working in the land today!

God bless!!

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RobertW

My great great grandmother was a Methodist street preacher in certain small towns in Missouri. She was (as I have heard) utterly holiness. Understand that in those days men often took the back seat and the women carried the spiritual load. In fact, my great great grandfather just accompanied her on the streets as she preached.

Many churches were started by women in those days. :-o Yes. They headed the meetings because the men were at home and often abusive and drunk. Just being honest. If it were not for women the work of God had near ceased in many parts of Missouri where I'm from. Bible belt? Well, we have the women to thank God for as much as any other person.

It is a strange thing I have seen over the years. It was almost as if a transition was trying to take place in which the women were handing off the spiritual load to the men and a host of godly women have no gone on to their reward. And thinking that men would shoulder the ark few women took up their cause and walked with God as in the former days. And now we are very much void of deeply spiritual women and men.

So in an environment where men often refuse to respond to God I see [i]no shame[/i] and [i]no sin[/i] in answering the call of God in the woman's heart.

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tullyja

KingJimmy,

There have been many times when godly women have shared a testimony with others and God has used it in a mighty way, such as the woman at the well in John 4 and Mary (as you mentioned). However, the verses that apply to this particular situation are as follows:

1 Timothy 2:11-15 (King James Version)

11. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

When we look at the passage above and at 1 Corinthians 11 (which instructs women to wear head coverings when praying or prophecying) we may be tempted to think that it was something that was said to fit in with the culture of the day, but Paul makes it clear in the above passage that it was because of Adam and Eve that these things are necessary, not because of their current culture. (That is also true of 1 Cor. 11 when Paul says that it is "because of the angels" and "nature itself teaches you" about a women's head being covered. It had nothing to do with the culture of the day).
Preaching or teaching (it would be hard to seperate the two), is something that God has required from men. I know of certain situations where a man would not speak and so a women was used by God. But if we are striving for holiness and purity, then we should want to do what God wants us to do, not the second best. God has given women many gifts that men do not have and He even tells us in the Word when a woman should teach:

Titus 2:3-5 (King James Version)

3. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4. That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5. To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

When older women teach younger women how to live a Godly life, I am sure it is a beautiful thing in God's sight. I interpret that as not just women who are older in age but who are more mature in their faith, they may teach new converts godliness also.
Please let me know if I have missed anything or if there are other scriptures on this issue and let us run this race according to the rules.

- Jeff

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scotty81

no they cannot.

all they are showing is they don't want to follow God's law on the subject and so have nothing of value to say.

women were never part of the OT priesthood.

it's the 1 job they can't do, and it's the sin of eve to always be striving against man to be equal to/above him.

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BenBrockway


scotty81 wrote:
no they cannot.

all they are showing is they don't want to follow God's law on the subject and so have nothing of value to say.

women were never part of the OT priesthood.

it's the 1 job they can't do, and it's the sin of eve to always be striving against man to be equal to/above him.



Scotty,

I didn't realize that we were still under the OT priesthood? Has the NT not come, yet?

:-(

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BenBrockway

I will say this: I think it should be the main role of the man to do the preaching, however so many men are/and have stepping(ed) down from this role and the role of being the head of the house, that God is using those who are willing - the women.

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sermonindex


scotty81 wrote:
it's the 1 job they can't do, and it's the sin of eve to always be striving against man to be equal to/above him.



I strive! Because I work a full time job and I work with men. I have to be tough sometimes. Especially if I ever get into management. Why? Because my husband wants me to! :-) I have been trying to be gentle but I think I need to get more brassy. People don't listen to you if your a push-over.

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scotty81


God is not the God of disorder. If a woman cannot submit to God in that area she will not submit in other areas.

the trend for women to become preachers is from secular feminism, not from God.

matthew 5:19 - Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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sermonindex


scotty81 wrote:

God is not the God of disorder. If a woman cannot submit to God in that area she will not submit in other areas.

the trend for women to become preachers is from secular feminism, not from God.

Women working outside of the home is from feminism but I am obeying my husband by doing so but that doesn't make us feminists. There are also alot of women who preach in the church because their pastor husbands ask them to. For them not to obey would be going against scripture.

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scotty81

then the husband preacher is wrong.

anyway who has more authority over you, God or your husband.

If he told you to preach a message denying the trinity would you blindly do it because he told you to. A woman preacher is already going against scripture.

allowing womem preachers is seen as a "small" thing but to God it has equal measure with disobeying the "larger" commandments.

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sermonindex


scotty81 wrote:
then the husband preacher is wrong.

anyway who has more authority over you, God or your husband.

If he told you to preach a message denying the trinity would you blindly do it because he told you to. A woman preacher is already going against scripture.

allowing womem preachers is seen as a "small" thing but to God it has equal measure with disobeying the "larger" commandments.

According to scripture wives are to submit to their husbands.

Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

No, I would never deny God.

allowing womem preachers is seen as a "small" thing but to God it has equal measure with disobeying the "larger" commandments.

What larger commandments? Are you saying that we should only obey sometimes? Which times should we obey?

BTW, welcome to the wonderful world that women have to go through on a daily basis! Aren't you glad that you don't have to wake up every morning and have to decide 24 hours a day which commandment you should obey?

So now you have to take every single commandment in the bible and tell us women which ones are "the larger" as you say. :-D


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Tears_of_joy


RebeccaF wrote:
Women working outside of the home is from feminism but I am obeying my husband by doing so. There are also alot of women who preach in the church because their pastor husbands ask them to. For them not to obey would be going against scripture.

You got it [i]all[/i] wrong, sister Rebecca. This is not what the Lord teaches us. This is twisted and accommodated gospel to [i]our[/i] culture/thinking/wishes/ etc.

If your husband or pastor asks from you to go and sell drugs or steal, will you obey him?

According to your way of thinking, you should obey them, am I right? But according to the Word 'We ought to obey God rather than men. ' (Acts 5:29)

And as you said that 'Women working outside of the home is from feminism' and thinking that stealing or something else is a 'big issue', and obey and doing something that is 'from feminism' is 'not so big deal', maybe with the excuse 'I need to provide for the family', it's a big lie and deception. I hope that you know well who is the invertor of the feminism, and what has caused already, not in the world, but in the church.

Everything has an order in the Scriptures, proper order, proper priorities. There is no much place for confusion when we are [i]ready[/i] and willing to obey what is written.

I wish my mother was here (and knew english) and give a testimonies, how she reacted and reacts when it was required from my father to do something that is not from God. When a person is deciding to stand for God and the biblical truth first, then see what the Lord could do through that person and how the enemies will bow their heads in shame, because they wanted to touch God's servant, and will give testimony that the victory is Lord's and that they cannot go against what HE says. I have seen this first hand in my home. But if you decide not to stand for the truth, and just give up the battle with poor excuses for lying the conscience, there will be no victory nor a testimony for the Lord on your lips. But just a miserable life. If there are no battles, there will be no victories. If we draw back, the Lord says that He has no pleasure in us.

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scotty81

i'm pointing out you'll obey the 10 commandments but ignore ones like forbiding women to preach.

I don't think a woman preaching will send them to hell but they will find in heaven they have absolutely no rewards for their works on earth. Since they are outside the will of God. Do you really want to be saved but have nothing rewarded for being a faithful servant

up to you.

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Lysa

Dear Scotty and Tears of Joy,

If you all feel so strongly about this, then don't sit under a women preaching, walk away, cross the street.

But if they are preaching Christ crucfied then who are you to interfere? If it's not of God, it will come to nothing; but if it is, you should not be found fighting against it so hard.

We have better things to be fighting against!

God bless,

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Tears_of_joy


Lysa wrote:

But if they are preaching Christ crucfied then who are you to interfere?

Dear Lysa, I didn't say [i]anything[/i] about not preaching Christ (of course preaching in a way as the Scriptures says), but just made a comment on exact quote, and other issue. If you read well my post, you will see this. Also I believe that the greatest preaching and testimony of Christ, is nothing else but obeying His commandments, putting them in practice, beginning at home, [i]first[/i].

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sermonindex

Tears_of_joy wrote:



Everything has an order in the Scriptures, proper order, proper priorities. There is no much place for confusion when we are [i]ready[/i] and willing to obey what is written.

I really appreciate your post and the story about your mother.:-) This is very confusing though for a woman. What it seems as though your saying here is that every single thing has to be weighed in light of everything else. Do you have any idea what at difficult task that is? Were asked to obey our husbands, submit to them and now what your saying only if there is not a larger commandment that takes priority.

I'm already feeling tired..

What do you make of this verse?

1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, [b]if any obey not the word,[/b] they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

So now are you saying that this is only if it is a small "word" and not a larger "word"??

[b]How do you know if it's a small or large commandment???[/b]

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sermonindex


RebeccaF wrote:
Tears_of_joy wrote:


Everything has an order in the Scriptures, proper order, proper priorities. There is no much place for confusion when we are [i]ready[/i] and willing to obey what is written.

I really appreciate your post and the story about your mother.:-) This is very confusing though for a woman. What it seems as though your saying here is that every single thing has to be weighed in light of everything else. Do you have any idea what at difficult task that is? Were asked to obey our husbands, submit to them and now what your saying only if there is not a larger commandment that takes priority.

I'm already feeling tired..

What do you make of this verse?

1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, [b]if any obey not the word,[/b] they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

So now are you saying that this is only if it is a small "word" and not a larger "word"??

[b]How do you know if it's a small or large commandment???[/b]



1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;


[b] Better yet, when does this apply?[/b]

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sermonindex

Well I have to go to work early tomorrow but I am interested in hearing what you have to say about this in the morning. Good night and thanks for the input, I appreciate the dialogue. :-)

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Tears_of_joy

I'm already feeling tired..

I don't doubt that, sister. I am also. I suggest that you should take a good rest, and some other day in a quietness of your mind to re-read what I wrote you in my first post. And you will see that the additional questions that you raised are already answered or are not legitimate, because they are asked out of haste and confusion in your mind. But we could talk again of course and consider the Scriptures on these matters in a [b]slow[/b] and edifying way.

May the Lord bless you and your family.

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ginnyrose

Charlene,

Many have posted replies to your question. Now may I ask you one: why did you ask? I do not see that you have responded to any of the answers given...I am just curious...

ginnyrose

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HeartSong

Tears_of _joy said:
When a person is deciding to stand for God and the biblical truth first, then see what the Lord could do through that person and how the enemies will bow their heads in shame, because they wanted to touch God's servant, and will give testimony that the victory is Lord's and that they cannot go against what HE says.

This is true. There was someone in authority over me that literally choked on their words as they tried to convince me to do something other than what the Lord had commanded - not once, but three different times. Other things happened - I do not know what they were - but that person has quit trying to get me to deviate from what the Lord has instructed.

Conversely, when I tried to battle in my own strength, I was left on my own and failed miserably every time.

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AbideinHim

"The Role of Women in the Church" by Stephen Kaung is a excellent biblical teaching on the matter of women ministering in the church. It can be found at

http://www.christiantapeministry.com/search-page.php?searchquery=role+of+women+in+church

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HeartSong

Thank you brother for posting this sermon!

What a merciful Saviour we have - ever faithful, ever true.

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awakenwithin

thanks to all who wrote,
when I frist was ask this question, I thought sure a women can tell the Gospel. Preach not in a Church just to people on the street. But going and sharing your faith one on one is differnt then preaching a gathering, a person ask me, if you feel women should not teach in the Church what is the differnce on the street? What makes a Pastor or preacher, is it the walls? So if a women is sharing the gospel to the lost on the street is this worng? Maybe in some cases it is against. But what I started to pondered was not so much was this sharing gospel right or wrong. But the make of a women her role. If God had made women to be a help mate as a women what would best serve these men, other brothers in the Lord? I am not sure, would be praying that God Preach through the men? Or may there be a desire in the women to be used in the same way to share the Gospel? What do you with a great passion to preach the gospel, maybe they could g to the women jail?

I think there is hidden beauty in living the way God called. It is hard it seems the role kinda gt mixed up a bite in our day. I need to keep growing understanding what it truly means to be a helper to other brothers. What is the way to serve them?

thanks fr all your thoughts
charlene

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sermonindex


awakenwithin wrote:
thanks to all who wrote,
when I frist was ask this question, I thought sure a women can tell the Gospel. Preach not in a Church just to people on the street. But going and sharing your faith one on one is differnt then preaching a gathering, a person ask me, if you feel women should not teach in the Church what is the differnce on the street? What makes a Pastor or preacher, is it the walls? So if a women is sharing the gospel to the lost on the street is this worng? Maybe in some cases it is against. But what I started to pondered was not so much was this sharing gospel right or wrong. But the make of a women her role. If God had made women to be a help mate as a women what would best serve these men, other brothers in the Lord? I am not sure, would be praying that God Preach through the men? Or may there be a desire in the women to be used in the same way to share the Gospel? What do you with a great passion to preach the gospel, maybe they could g to the women jail?

I think there is hidden beauty in living the way God called. It is hard it seems the role kinda gt mixed up a bite in our day. I need to keep growing understanding what it truly means to be a helper to other brothers. What is the way to serve them?

thanks fr all your thoughts
charlene

I don't know if your married or not but do you believe you follow what you believe the bible says or what your husband believes the bible says? From experience I can tell you that if you follow what you believe the bible says than you will be accused of being rebellious and if you obey your husband than you will be accused of rebelling against scripture. So what do you think you should do obey what you beleive God is telling you or what God is telling your husband? If you are not married than obviously you just obey what you feel God is telling you to do. It's a constant non-stop balancing act. To obey God or obey man, that's the question. OR is obeying man obeying God even though man may not be obeying God? Or is obeying man obeying God when man may have misinterpreted scripture because he's your husband and you have to submit?

If your not married and you feel led--go preach!

It's so much fun being a woman! :-) Yeeh! :-D

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sermonindex

Can women open air preach? For Single Women, a resounding Yes and Amen.

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Lysa


DeepThinker wrote:
Can women open air preach? For Single Women, a resounding Yes and Amen.

I don't mean to pick on you deepthinker!! You just happened to write this but this is how many people feel.

This so reminds me of gagging at a gnat and swallowing a camel... what difference does it have to do with whether a woman is married or not, if she can preach. To me, I may be wrong, but at least if she is married (to a Godly man), she at least has a (head) covering and is accountable to someone who is accountable to God.

This is like caring whether someone was "saved" or not before they got a divorce, like it makes a difference in the mercy we have toward them.

Here is my two cents probably worth about .5 cents!! Allowing a single woman to preach makes no more sense than NOT allowing a married woman to preach.

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Miccah

My wife teaches and preaches everyday. She preaches with her actions and she teaches with her life.

If I may, the issue should not be if a woman can open air preach, but what is the biblical role for each man and woman and how do we fullfill that role in its fullness.

No wonder our ladies are confussed, we men cannot even define our own biblical roles. Once we men get in order, I have a feeling that our ladies will come in order as well.

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sermonindex

Charlene,
if the Holy Ghost says to go and preach it, well.........any questions?

to underline that, I wanted to link up a comp Jesus and me cut in 2003-04, I have it on my hd, but fireonthealtar is down, and I did a websearch, and found that it was put with a slide show...I was so blessed to think that others might have been emboldened by my lil offering and exhortation, Ian Paisley doing the talking of course.

[url=http://departmentofannoyance.com/media/renamed_You%20Go%20and%20Preach%20It%20at%20EBC6.wmv]You go and PREACH IT!!!! (with added photos)[/url]

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narrowpath

The bible is clear about women not to teach or preach in church when men are present but silent on women preaching open air in particular.

I have no problem for women witnessing 1-2-1, giving testimony, singing in church or in an open air evangelistic setting. As for women to do open air preaching where men present, I can only give an opinion as someone who also has the Spirit.

In keeping with other bible passages I prefer men to preach the word open air when other men are present. Let the women witness, give testimony, sing, hand out tracts, pray for the sick, but leave the preaching to men. I am not a Chauvinist. When we go out evangelising in our team, our most gifted evangelist is acutally a middle aged lady and she does not preach.

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sermonindex

I found some actual footage of [url=http://www.godsgenerals.com/vid/maria_001_hi.html]Maria Woodworth Etter here.[/url] It's old and their is no sound but it's the first I've seen. I found it at [url=http://www.godsgenerals.com/person_m_woodsworth-etter.htm]God's Generals.[/url] You can read about her here.

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sermonindex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td8YdfNoPBk

This video has caused me to just want to concentrate on evangelism.

Sometimes I spend way too much time on these forums and I have decided to concentrate more on just evangelism and doing what I can for my family when I'm not at work.

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basileia

All are called to proclaim the gospel(Good News) of Jesus Christ and His Kingdom. First and foremost by our life lived and as well then by our words. Not with enticing words of mens wisdom but in demonstration of Spirit and power.
His Kingdom uproots, pulls down, throws down all that mankind builds. For example: religion, cultural barriers, mindsets that are contrary, etc. to His Kingdom( governing, rule) and builds and plants righteousness( right-relating, right- relationship) producing peace and joy which is founded and came in Holy Spirit. Who is the Spirit of Christ Jesus.

Is He then limited by our outer shell? There is neither male nor female, Jew nor Greek, bond nor free for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Can we see in and through Jesus Christ, He has bought and brought commonality? There is no aboves nor beneaths, but all are one in Him.

The motivating force of all we are and subsequently following, what we do, is Love. The Love of God has been shed abroad in our hearts by Holy Spirit. We are compelled by Love and we are constrained by Love.

Let not the traditions of men make no effect the word( Divine expression) of God.

Whatsoever He says to you, do it.

:-)

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ccchhhrrriiisss

Just a quick question for those who hold convictions regarding "silent" women in the presence of Christian men (and please do not think that this question is divisive or said with duplicity): What makes this forum any different than a physical congregation or street?

Women in these forums have "taught" me for quite a while. While I might not agree with everything that every woman says, I have learned quite a bit from the posts of such women (or the manner in which some of these godly women have shared). Other women have had a great impact in my life. My wife is a very godly woman who has been an example to me in word and deed. In addition, my mother, my mother-in-law, my sisters, my teachers, my aunts and cousins -- they have all played a role in educating me in one way or another. Yet I read the Scriptures that are often brought up in this forum (usually by women, no less) that state emphatically that women must be silent.

Is it simply a matter of authority? Paul does explain that women are not to have authority over a man. Yet it seemingly goes further into the authority of the mouth (or does it?). Perhaps these passages are not speaking about simple "teaching" in a rhetorical sense, but in holding a definitive place of authority over men (or more specifically in Genesis, their husbands). Yet I find it interesting that women in these forums often present more often in regard to certain topics.

To be clear: My wife understands that I am the authority for our house. She does not usurp my authority as the teacher and pastor of our home. Yet she is also employed as a school teacher (five years in the public schools, two years at the University level and currently for the first year in a private school). She hasn't had to teach "men" (although some of the high school boys might have thought differently). Yet still, I listen to my wife (not like Adam...but to discern through her thoughts, views and opinions).

It seems to me that if we were to follow the letter of the NT "law" regarding women, then they wouldn't be able to share directly in a public forum whatsoever. How do we interpret such passages?

I have my own views regarding this...that this passage relates more to an issue of authority than it does with mere words spoken by women. I don't agree with a woman serving in a position of authority over a man (anything from a pastor, co-educational Sunday school teacher [over men], or even a wife who "wears the pants" over her husband). Yet I still pay attention to what my wife says...and even the other women that God has placed in my life (like those in my family, in the Church or here in the forums).

Do we simply dismiss the verses about women who are to remain silent...while they are often the most vocal within our SermonIndex congregation? Or do we act each according to what we feel God leading us to say or do, receive or not? Personally, I have no problem with a woman who teaches (here...or in the streets) as long as it is seen for what it is -- sharing what they know (or feel that they know) and not in a position of authority.

I am interested in learning the thoughts of others. Again, this is not to be divisive or written with duplicity of heart.

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sermonindex


ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:
I have my own views regarding this...that this passage relates more to an issue of authority than it does with mere words spoken by women. I don't agree with a woman serving in a position of authority over a man (anything from a pastor, co-educational Sunday school teacher [over men], or even a wife who "wears the pants" over her husband). Yet I still pay attention to what my wife says...and even the other women that God has placed in my life (like those in my family, in the Church or here in the forums).


My views about women speaking/teaching/preaching have changed over the years and still are. I was listening to a message about how we should "stop trying". I can't find the message anymore but I think I am beginning to understand what he is saying having not understood it at first. My husband does not believe Titus 2 is for today concerning women as "keepers of the home". He says if it is for today than we should not use electricity or drive automobiles. I do not agree with him nevertheless I am going to follow his vision without compromising what God lays on my heart to do. I just find that when I try to obey the word without the conviction, direction or open door to do so it always ends up at a dead end road.

Tears_of_Joy wrote:

If your husband or pastor asks from you to go and sell drugs or steal, will you obey him?

According to your way of thinking, you should obey them, am I right? But according to the Word 'We ought to obey God rather than men. ' (Acts 5:29)

And as you said that 'Women working outside of the home is from feminism' and thinking that stealing or something else is a 'big issue', and obey and doing something that is 'from feminism' is 'not so big deal', maybe with the excuse 'I need to provide for the family', it's a big lie and deception. I hope that you know well who is the invertor of the feminism, and what has caused already, not in the world, but in the church.

Everything has an order in the Scriptures, proper order, proper priorities. There is no much place for confusion when we are ready and willing to obey what is written.

I wish my mother was here (and knew english) and give a testimonies, how she reacted and reacts when it was required from my father to do something that is not from God. When a person is deciding to stand for God and the biblical truth first, then see what the Lord could do through that person and how the enemies will bow their heads in shame, because they wanted to touch God's servant, and will give testimony that the victory is Lord's and that they cannot go against what HE says. I have seen this first hand in my home. But if you decide not to stand for the truth, and just give up the battle with poor excuses for lying the conscience, there will be no victory nor a testimony for the Lord on your lips. But just a miserable life. If there are no battles, there will be no victories. If we draw back, the Lord says that He has no pleasure in us.


I'm not sure exactly what you are saying here. How are women supposed to know at what time to obey and what time not to and where do you see an allowance for that because I don't see one except for direct rebellion against God. What would you refer to as direct rebellion against God? Would you say by me not staying home and homeschooling?


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It isn't about our authority but His Authority..His Rule, His Governing(Kingdom) in and through the church( ekklesia: called out). In Eph.5 it speaks of the mystery of Christ and the church( ekklesia: called out).

The joining of a man and a woman in marriage relationship, being made one flesh, is to showforth the relationship of Christ and the called out..ones. Love is the royal( kingly, sovereign, preeminent) law which fulfills all righteousness..right-relating, right-relationship.
The two made one are in mutual submission and reverence( honour) to Christ Who is the Head. The Head is His Governing. In light of His Kingdom then, how are we( made one) to be governing ourselves toward one another? We were made to have dominion over the earth, not one another..lording over one another but in Love prefering one another.

Say for an example of times we may come too: a decision needs be made that the husband and wife can not find agreement upon. What do they do? Together they go before the Father and ask of Him, willing to lay down whatever the thoughts may be concerning and take up His..not my will but Yours be done. We know that His Kingdom is righteousness, joy and peace in Holy Spirit and so Who/what is the ruling foundation which the husband and wife are to be, making an open display of Christ and His Kingdom?


Issuing out of this most blessed communion of union in Him and He within, He and His Kingdom is made known..manifested. Which effects every sphere of life.

blessings..as we seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness! :-)

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basileia wrote:
It isn't about our authority but His Authority..His Rule, His Governing(Kingdom) in and through the church( ekklesia: called out). In Eph.5 it speaks of the mystery of Christ and the church( ekklesia: called out).


I read that once in a Greek new testament. Everywhere where you would see the word 'church' it said 'out-called'.

The two made one are in mutual submission and reverence( honour) to Christ Who is the Head.

That word "mutual" is a good way of describing it. I don't feel that a woman going against her husband is at all mutual. Annanias and Sapphira is a different story and something women have to be constantly on gaurd for. The story of Abigail on the "Revive Our Hearts" websight is another good example. My husband is a great father and provider to our kids and desires them to have an education like he had. His heart is in the right place and for anyone to say it is not is being judgmental. We just need to be careful.

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Hello Rebecca,

I'm honestly unsure of what you are speaking of concerning your husband. I responded to the very first post and then to Chrisssss *smiles*

Did i maybe click on the wrong reply button? I really don't know..i'm new to how this forum works lol

Re. you may want to reread what i shared? It is an inner Governing manifesting outwardly. I can think of no greater than that of Love...now that is true authority..being Himself..God is Love. We can of our own selves do nothing, but that which is born/birthed of the Spirit is that which is profitable. If we look at the fruit of the Spirit, which is His character, we can see all flows from Love( agape'). Now remains faith, hope and Love but the greatest of these is Love.

It is a Love that will take one to Gethsemane in abandoned Love for the Father that the nevertheless not my will be done but Yours...surrender and obedience. Jesus understands greatly the battle of the will, so much so that He sweat great drops of blood, yet in utter abandoned Love of the Father, surrendered His and obeyed the Father's...and for whom? you, me, us!

It is a Love that will take one to the cross, where the self-life is crucified and newness of Life comesforth. Our spirit man enlarged, our minds renewed according to His Governing (Kingdom), our bodies brought under subjection..Jesus is Lord..in outward display.

It is not a `happening' all at once, but a going from glory to glory..., the need of dying daily and transformation...the Resurrection and the Life being made known..in outward display.

blessings,~ as we seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness~

:-)
*made an edit from golgotha to gethsemane :-)

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basileia wrote:

It is a Love that will take one to the cross, where the self-life is crucified and newness of Life comesforth. Our spirit man enlarged, our minds renewed according to His Governing (Kingdom), our bodies brought under subjection..Jesus is Lord..in outward display.

It is not a `happening' all at once, but a going from glory to glory..., the need of dying daily and transformation...the Resurrection and the Life being made known..in outward display.

blessings,~ as we seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness~

:-)
*made an edit from golgotha to gethsemane :-)


That's good teaching. :-)

Your right, the emphasis should be on pleasing God not one another.

Ephesians 5:20-22
20Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

[b]21Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.[/b]

22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

The key here is "in the fear of God" and it seems there is very little teaching on submitting one to another. This is not just speaking of husbnads and wives but men and women. If we are operating in holy spirit than we should be submitting to that. If you recognize the other is being spirit led than the emphasis should be on that not the fact that you are a man or a woman.

I'm glad my husband takes that into consideration but not alot of men do. We seek to please the Lord but everyone still has their different view of things. Holidays is on example of that. Not everyone sees a holy-day as a holy-day but just another day.


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This so reminds me of gagging at a gnat and swallowing a camel... what difference does it have to do with whether a woman is married or not, if she can preach.
I can agree with you in regards to straining at a gnat while swallowing a camel because it's not a commandment that women who are single only can be preachers. There have been married women who were preachers, I was generalizing.

However, the reason why I chose to single out single women is because of this verse here:

1 Corinthians 7:34 There is [a] difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.
I don't mean to pick on you deepthinker
Oh your not, I sense your sincerity. ;-)

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Well the whole subject of women vs men OA preachers can get rather ridiculous unless you really do have a true conviction and I really do respect those that do. I have no problem at all with those that really do not think it is a woman's place to. But according to scripture people can preach for different reasons in or out of the church.

Alot of preachers would fall into the envy and strife catagory:

Philippians 1:15-17
15Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

16The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:

17But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.


If your going to preach open air it's best to just do it and not tell anyone but your husband what you are doing because most likely whoever finds out about it usually won't have anything positive to say and they will discourage you. That has been my experience. I find that I preach better when I keep things to myself and it helps me to stay focused. You really are just asking for it when you ask people what they think, sorry to say.


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oooh i agree with you Rebbeca about the women verses men. I think this speaks rather loud in itself, don't you? The word: verses which denotes a competing and then we bring that into `position' rather than function. For instance: apostle, prophet, shepherd, evangelist, teacher are not positions or what some may have termed as an `office' but rather servanthood functions within the body. What man( when i say man i am speaking of mankind/male/female) has done is place these as heads. whoa..strange looking creature that would be..we have One Head..not five lol These are set in( whether male or female)the body for what purpose? These are members of the body with a specific function as all members have and He has done according as it pleased Him.

The eyes do not lord over the rest of body, but function in giving sight. The ears do not lord over the body but function in hearing, soforth and so on. We can not say of any member, whether male or female..we have no need of you. Every member is vital to the functioning of the whole. He has placed us within the body so intricately that there be no schisms..division, gaps..but that we should have the same care one for another.

In all of this, in Pauls writing he says..i show you a more excellent way. The 1Cor.13 which we all know..follows his previous.

So why do we still look upon the outward appearence..the outer shell? Is that not "of the world"? of which we His church( ekklesia: called out) are just to BE that? called out of..the kingdom( governing) of darkness and into His Kingdom of Light.

i'm not just sharing here with you Rebecca or directing these things to you but whoever might be reading along *smiles*

"Til we all come in the unity(oneness) of the faith and the knoweldge( recognition, disernable appearing) of the Son of God, unto a perfect( complete, whole, full age) man, unto the measure( degree) of the stature( maturity) of the fullness of Christ."

i like the way the Mess. trans. says this Eph.3:14-19

My response is to get down on my knees before the Father, this magnificent Father who parcels out all heaven and earth. I ask him to strengthen you by his Spirit—not a brute strength but a glorious inner strength—that Christ will live in you as you open the door and invite him in. And I ask him that with both feet planted firmly on love, you'll be able to take in with all followers of Jesus the extravagant dimensions of Christ's love. Reach out and experience the breadth! Test its length! Plumb the depths! Rise to the heights! Live full lives, full in the fullness of God.

blessings, as we ~ seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness~


:-) :-)

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basileia wrote:
oooh i agree with you Rebbeca about the women verses men. I think this speaks rather loud in itself, don't you? The word: verses which denotes a competing and then we bring that into `position' rather than function. For instance: apostle, prophet, shepherd, evangelist, teacher are not positions or what some may have termed as an `office' but rather servanthood functions within the body. What man( when i say man i am speaking of mankind/male/female) has done is place these as heads. whoa..strange looking creature that would be..we have One Head..not five lol These are set in( whether male or female)the body for what purpose? These are members of the body with a specific function as all members have and He has done according as it pleased Him.

The eyes do not lord over the rest of body, but function in giving sight. The ears do not lord over the body but function in hearing, soforth and so on. We can not say of any member, whether male or female..we have no need of you. Every member is vital to the functioning of the whole. He has placed us within the body so intricately that there be no schisms..division, gaps..but that we should have the same care one for another.

In all of this, in Pauls writing he says..i show you a more excellent way. The 1Cor.13 which we all know..follows his previous.

So why do we still look upon the outward appearence..the outer shell? Is that not "of the world"? of which we His church( ekklesia: called out) are just to BE that? called out of..the kingdom( governing) of darkness and into His Kingdom of Light.

i'm not just sharing here with you Rebecca or directing these things to you but whoever might be reading along *smiles*

"Til we all come in the unity(oneness) of the faith and the knoweldge( recognition, disernable appearing) of the Son of God, unto a perfect( complete, whole, full age) man, unto the measure( degree) of the stature( maturity) of the fullness of Christ."

i like the way the Mess. trans. says this Eph.3:14-19

My response is to get down on my knees before the Father, this magnificent Father who parcels out all heaven and earth. I ask him to strengthen you by his Spirit—not a brute strength but a glorious inner strength—that Christ will live in you as you open the door and invite him in. And I ask him that with both feet planted firmly on love, you'll be able to take in with all followers of Jesus the extravagant dimensions of Christ's love. Reach out and experience the breadth! Test its length! Plumb the depths! Rise to the heights! Live full lives, full in the fullness of God.

blessings, as we ~ seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness~


:-) :-)

Amen. Thanks that is so encouraging and thank you for your prayers. I can always use some prayer! :-) I really sense the Lord in what you are saying and appreciate your love for the Lord, the body of Christ and your desire to see souls saved.

I remember one time I was so discouraged and I wrote Times Square Church asking about women preaching open air and one of the pastors replied to me and said (not word for word but basically) "well you said you appreciate the preaching of Teresa Conlon don't you? Well so do we so you should do as you feel led and keep preaching."

What else can you do? Should you not do as you feel led and do what someone else says you should? Hey, if you do what you feel God wants you to and find later you were wrong as with anything just repent and go in a different direction.

I think it's ok to get advice but then you have to pray and go from there. All of this talk is getting me in the spirit to go preaching. 8-)


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"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

To preach the acceptable year of the Lord." Lk.4:18

preach on sister, proclaim, hearld the Good News!

blessings as we, ~seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness~

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