When will Jesus Return to the earth?

[b]Will Jesus Christ return to this earth, at the end of the Great Tribulation, two thousand years after the year He was crucified, rose from the dead, and ascended into Heaven?

What does God’s Word, the Bible have to tell us of this upcoming event?[/b]

"Prophetic time" is described for us as one day being a thousand years, and a thousand years as being one day.

2 Peter [b][color=CC0000]3[/color][/b]:
8.[b] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise,(the Second Coming)[/b] as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

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In the Book of Hosea, we see Jesus, returning to His Place (Heaven), after His crucifixion, death and resurrection from the dead (Hosea 5:14-15) and then a Prophecy of Jesus returning to the earth, at the end of 2,000 years (two prophhetic days), when the Jews finally call out for Him during the Tribulation (Hosea 6), and then He (Jesus) will revive Israel, and in the third day (the 1,000 year millennium) they will live in His presence on this earth, in His sight.

Hosea 5
14. For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
15. I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Hosea 6
1. Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2. AFTER TWO DAYS WILL HE REVIVE US: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
3. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

Job reveals to us the promise that the Jews are looking forward to, the promise of the Millenium, the 1,000 year reign on this earth when they will all live with their Messiah (when the lion will lay down with the lamb):

Job 19:
25. For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that HE shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26. And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: 27. Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. 28. But ye should say, Why persecute we him, seeing the root of the matter is found in me? 29. Be ye afraid of the sword: for wrath bringeth the punishments of the sword, that ye may know there is a judgment.

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[b]Time is short. If Christ is coming back EXACTLY after 2 days, or 2 thousand years, then we are looking at 2029- 2033 (some think that the calendar is off, and that He was born between 4 B.C. and 2 B.C.)

However, for the Church, if the two days are kept exactly, the Rapture will be somewhere between 2022 and 2026 for the Church, 7 years before the Great Tribulaton.[/b]

Your thoughts about this would be appreciated. Please use Scripture to help explain your position.

Sincerely,

Walter

To Crsschk:

Only in 2 Peter (a Book that focuses entirely about the “Prophecy” of Christ’s return) do we find the statement that[b] one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.[/b]

In 2 Peter 1:18-21 we find the declaration[b] "that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation."[/b]

18. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

[b]Then, in 2 Peter 2:2 Paul continues about prophetic time, and when Christ will return.[/b]

2 Peter 2:
8. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise,(the Second Coming) as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

[b]In regards to Psalms 90:4, it refers to something entirely different. We have to read the entire 90th Psalm to understand what it means:[/b]

Psalms 90:4
This verse, like 2 Peter 3:8, is often misinterpreted to justify taking the days of creation as equivalent to geological ages. In Psalms 90:4 Moses is referring to the ancient descendents of Adam. Even though their individual lives lasted almost a thousand years (each person), by the time of Moses they were all but forgotten. Psalms 90:5 tells us that the children of Adam, who lived a thousand years, were finally destroyed in the flood and soon forgotten.

“5. Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up.”

In Psalms 90-10 Moses contrasts the 70 years of a normal life span in his day (even though he lived to be 120) with the thousand year life span of men before the flood (found in Psalm 90:4)

Psalms 90:”10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away”

Psalm 90:12 is in agreement with Deuteronomy 32:29, when he was speaking to the children of Israel. A person only has 18000 days (or 50 years of adult life) in which he could apply his life to eternal values, so it is vitally important to be “Redeeming the time” (Ephesians 5:16)
Psalm 90: “12. So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.”

Psalms 90:13 Moses is praying for the soon fulfillment of God’s ancient promise (Genesis 3:15) to return and redeem lost mankind.

Psalms 90: “13. Return, O Lord, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.”

In this prayer 0f Psalm 90 Moses first spoke of the creation (90:1-2), then the curse and the pre-flood world (90:3-4), then the flood (90:5), then the present world (90:6-13), then His salvation (90:14-15) and finally the future world (90:16-17) when all of God’s great purposes of creating us for His glory will be accomplished.

Psalms 90: “17. And let the beauty of the Lord our God be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.”

[b]As far as Hosea 5 & 6 are concerned, they are focused on Christ’s exit from the earth, and then, two days later, His return to the earth, another picture of this same prophetic event, that will involve two prophetic days, or two thousand years, and then concludes with His Millenial reign on the earth of 1 DAY, the 3rd day (that of course consists of 1,000 years).[/b]

Hosea 5
14. For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
15. I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Hosea 6
1. Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2. AFTER TWO DAYS WILL HE REVIVE US: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
3. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

I am sure that not everyone will agree with this. Please provide Scripture when you respond.

Sincerely,

Walter

crsschk wrote:
Hi walter,

[i]that one day is with the Lord [u]as[/u] a thousand years, and a thousand years [u]as[/u] one day[/i]

2 Peter 3 btw - you had me lost there :-)

Have always taken this [i]as[/i], as 'as' ... "Like unto" in comparrison to, etc.

So I do not know that there is such a thing as prohpetic time with this being something of a clock or calandar.

From Albert Barnes;

- The expression here used, that “one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, etc.,” is common in the Rabbinical writings. See Wetstein in loc. A similar thought occurs in Psa_90:4; “For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.”

To ChrisJD

You have posted your[b] opinion.[/b] Please, support your opinion with [b]specific Scripture. Without Scripture, without Doctrine, you offer nothing more than another opinion.[/b]

[b]What is the exact teaching of the Book of 2nd Peter all about-
Chapter 1?
Chapter 2?
and Chapter 3?

Also, in my previous post I provided a thorough analysis of Psalm 90, almost verse by verse. Since you disagree with my analysis, please post your own analysis proving your point, using the entire 90th Psalm. Just by saying you disagree with me on my analysis of Psalm 90 and agree with the Moderator on his quote from a commentary on Psalm 90 is meaningless, unless you can back it up with Scripture.[/b]

Sincerely,

Walter

ChrisJD wrote:
Hi everyone,

If I could suggest, one of the ways I think the scriptures can be abused is by something like running overtop of them with our own meanings and ideas.

It is as if we were running over the tracks that are there until we make new ones for the cart we are pushing to follow in.

I don't think that the Second Epistle of Peter is "a Book that focuses entirely about the “Prophecy” of Christ’s return".

And as Mike pointed out, it [b]doesn't[/b] seem unlikely that the Apostle Peter was refering to the verse in Psalm 90 in encouraging the believers to be steadfast in faith while they awaited the Lord's return.

What does seem unlikely though(to me anyway) is that he was establishing a doctrine of "prophetic time" that he doesn't say anything else about?

I think that the admonition in 1Peter 1:20-21 was appropriate here. It seems to me that heresy has alot to do with self-willed interpretations of scripture that are forced upon others to the point of divisions; in short, in contending for our own 'choices'.

Wish you all well.

Chris

To ChrisJD

When you referenced 2nd Peter 1:17 you referenced His first coming. However you neglected to continue with 1:18-21 that references the subject of Bible Prophecy in relation to Jesus Christ:

18. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

[b]In 2nd Peter Chapter 1 the focus is on believers, and why they should persevere in THESE LAST DAYS, because Christ is going to return to this earth soon and believers will put off their old bodies, and receive new resurrected bodies like those of Jesus Christ:[/b]

11. For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
12. Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
13. Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
14.[b] Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.[/b]

[b]We are also told that as Christian believers, we have a SURE WORD OF PROPHECY, because our prophecy from the scriptures is not of any private interpretation, but handed down to us from Holy men of God, as they were moved and empowered by the Holy Ghost:[/b]
19. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

[b]In 2nd Peter Chapter 2 the focus is the fact that there were false prophets among the early Church, in Peter’s time, just like there will be in our time--- that deny that Jesus Christ bought them with His blood. It focuses on how God has dealt with non-believers in the past - by drowning the unrighteous world in the flood, except righteous Noah and his family; also, in His judgment against the ungodly people of Sodom and Gomorrah. The conclusion of chapter 2 is that the unrighteous, like the dog will return to their own vomit, or like the pig, after being washed, will return to “wallowing in the mire” and are not redeemable.[/b]

[b]1n 2rd Peter Chapter 3 the focus is on the fact that Christ promised to return to the earth, but during the last days the scoffers will say—“Where is the promise of His coming”, and are willingly ignorant of the God’s creation of the earth, and of God’s destruction of the wicked people of the earth by the flood, and that God’s judgment of all ungodly men, as well as the earth itself, will come by fire on the day of judgment (5.6 7.). Next, we are told that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, . [/b]

1. This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2. That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3. Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6. Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7. But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[b] 8. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.[/b]
9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

[b]Finally, in the book of Hosea, which you have totally ignored, we have further teaching about exactly when one day is referred to as a thousand years- the prophecy of the Messiah's return to the earth in 2 days, or 2 thousand years, and the prophecy of the Millenium, that will consist of one day, or as we already know, definitely consists of 1 thousand years.[/b]

Hosea 5
14. For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
15. I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Hosea 6
1. Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2. AFTER TWO DAYS WILL HE REVIVE US: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
3. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

Sincerely,

Walter

ChrisJD wrote:
"For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

- 2Peter 1:17(KJV)

Hi Walter, I hope that you are doing well.

You have posted your opinion. Please, support your opinion with specific Scripture. Without Scripture, without Doctrine, you offer nothing more than another opinion.

What is the exact teaching of the Book of 2nd Peter all about-
Chapter 1?
Chapter 2?
and Chapter 3?

Walter, yes, I did give my opinion about the content of Peter's letter not being confined to the subject of Christ's return, but, it does seem obvious that there is more in the letter than that?

Can I gently suggest something?

I think that one indication that we are, or that we may be becoming self-willed in how we handle the scriptures is the way that we react to challenges or contradictions to what we have said.

I wouldn't have mentioned anything about what you said before about the letter being entirely about Christ's return, [b]except[/b] that it appears the comments were made so as to support the other things you were teaching about the Lord's return.

We have to be careful not to allow ourselves to mischaracterise the scriptures in order to make a point, you know what I mean?

I wish you well, and please forgive me if I have wronged you or misunderstood you in anyway,

Wish you the love of God,

Chris

ChrisJD wrote:
Hi Walter,

Walter, I didn't qoute, the verse following, [b]or[/b] the ones before.

Walter, I don't think that we are communicating.

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This was your post, kind sir:

Re:
"For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

- 2Peter 1:17(KJV)

Hi Walter, I hope that you are doing well.

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Exactly right, you only posted part of the teaching of 2nd Peter Chapter 1 by focusing on His first coming, and ignoring the additinal subject matter of the chapter- Bible Prophecy in relation to Jesus Christ.

In conclusion ChrisJD, unless our "opinions' are supported by Bible Scripture, by Bible Doctrine, by Bible "Teaching", then they have no value to the blood bought beleivers of Jesus Christ.

Sincerely,

Walter

"But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on guard, keep awake. For you do not know when the time will come".

Mark 13:32-33

To InTheLight:

Christ was crucified on the cross and rose from the dead and ascended into heaven about 33 A.D. However, if he was actually born at 4 A.D. then he will return in 2 days, or about 2,029 A.D. However, if our current calendar is correct, he will return at 2033 A.D. and the one thousand year millenium will start then.

B.C. is an abbreviation for “Before Christ.” A.D. is an abbreviation for “anno Domini,” which is Latin for “in the year of our Lord.”

B.C. and A.D. are commonly used to count years in time. Jesus Christ’s birth is used as a starting point to count years that existed before (B.C.) and after (A.D.) He was born. For example, the year 532 B.C. refers to the time 532 years before A.D. 1, when Christ was assumed to have been born.

Dionysius Exiguus, a monk, invented the B.C./A.D. method during the Middle Ages, early in the sixth century. Commissioned by the pope, he did this to determine the correct date for Easter. His counting method determined Christ’s birth to be the year A.D. 1. However, Jesus was actually born a few years earlier, in the year 4 B.C.

It is well established that the sacred calendar, generally known as the Hebrew calendar, began in 3,761 B.C. It is based on 12 and 13-month years and 19-year time cycles, as explained in our booklet The Truth About God’s Calendar.

Some chronologists, geologists and anthropologists object to time being anchored to any kind of Christian or religious benchmark. Instead of using the term A.D. they prefer to use the phrase “Common Era,” abbreviated “C.E.” Likewise, in place of B.C., which refers to the time “Before Christ,” they favor labeling that era “B.C.E.,” meaning “Before the Common Era.” Thus, C.E. is generally equivalent to A.D. and B.C.E. is generally equivalent to B.C.

This item was printed from www.thercg.org.

Sincerely,

Walter

InTheLight wrote:

Time is short. If Christ is coming back EXACTLY after 2 days, or 2 thousand years, then we are looking at 2029- 2033 (some think that the calendar is off, and that He was born between 4 B.C. and 2 B.C.) However, for the Church, if the two days are kept exactly, the Rapture will be somewhere between 2022 and 2026 for the Church, 7 years before the Great Tribulaton.

If we assume the one day/thousand year connection between 2 Peter and Hosea 6 is fact, then a proper rendering of Hosea 6:2 would be "after" 2000 years and "in" the next 1000 years. Wouldn't "in the third day" be properly understood to mean sometime from roughly 2000 AD to 3000 AD? That gives us a 1000 year window for fulfillment doesn't it?

In Christ,

Ron

To Crsschk:

I went back and looked at my understanding of Psalms 90- the entire Psalm and find quite a bit of difference between my interpretation and that of your source (Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary) and your previous source From Albert Barnes: "The expression here used, that “one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, etc.,” is common in the Rabbinical writings. See Wetstein in loc. A similar thought occurs in Psa_90:4; “For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.”

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[b]The difference is quite striking. I will post mine again, here:

In this prayer 0f Psalm 90 Moses first spoke of the creation (90:1-2), then the curse and the pre-flood world (90:3-4), then the flood (90:5), then the present world (90:6-13), then His salvation (90:14-15) and finally the future world (90:16-17) when all of God’s great purposes of creating us for His glory will be accomplished[/b]

In regards to Psalms 90:4, it refers to something entirely different. We have to read the entire 90th Psalm to understand what it means:

Psalms 90:4
This verse, like 2 Peter 3:8, is often misinterpreted to justify taking the days of creation as equivalent to geological ages. In Psalms 90:4 Moses is referring to the ancient descendents of Adam. Even though their individual lives lasted almost a thousand years (each person), by the time of Moses they were all but forgotten.

90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Psalms 90:5 tells us that the children of Adam, who lived a thousand years, were finally destroyed in the flood and soon forgotten.

“5. Thou carriest them away as with a flood; they are as a sleep: in the morning they are like grass which groweth up.”

In Psalms 90-10 Moses contrasts the 70 years of a normal life span in his day (even though he lived to be 120) with the thousand year life span of men before the flood (found in Psalm 90:4)

Psalms 90:”10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away”

Psalm 90:12 is in agreement with Deuteronomy 32:29, when he was speaking to the children of Israel. A person only has 18000 days (or 50 years of adult life) in which he could apply his life to eternal values, so it is vitally important to be “Redeeming the time” (Ephesians 5:16)
Psalm 90: “12. So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.”

Psalms 90:13 Moses is praying for the soon fulfillment of God’s ancient promise (Genesis 3:15- The Seed of the Woman, the Messiah) to return and redeem lost mankind.

Psalms 90: “13. Return, O Lord, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.”

In this prayer 0f Psalm 90 Moses first spoke of the creation (90:1-2), then the curse and the pre-flood world (90:3-4), then the flood (90:5), then the present world (90:6-13), then His salvation (90:14-15) and finally the future world (90:16-17) when all of God’s great purposes of creating us for His glory will be accomplished.

Psalms 90: “17. And let the beauty of the Lord our God be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.”

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[b]Crsschk, I notice you did not address either Hosea 5 or 6 that I posted previously. Here it is again--I would appreciate your response:[/b]

As far as Hosea 5 & 6 are concerned, they are focused on Christ’s exit from the earth, and then, two days later, His return to the earth, another picture of this same prophetic event, that will involve two prophetic days, or two thousand years, and then concludes with His Millenial reign on the earth of 1 DAY, the 3rd day (that of course consists of 1,000 years).

Hosea 5
14. For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
15. I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Hosea 6
1. Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2. AFTER TWO DAYS WILL HE REVIVE US: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
3. Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

Sincerely,

Walter

crsschk wrote:
[b]2Pe 3:8 -
be not ignorant[/b] — as those scoffers are (2Pe_3:5). Besides the refutation of them (2Pe_3:5-7) drawn from the history of the deluge, here he adds another (addressed more to believers than to the mockers): God’s delay in fulfilling His promise is not, like men’s delays, owing to inability or fickleness in keeping His word, but through “long-suffering.”

[b]this one thing[/b] — as the consideration [i]of chief importance[/i] (Luk_10:42).

[b]one day ... thousand years[/b] — (Psa_90:4): Moses there says, Thy [i]eternity[/i], knowing no distinction between a [i]thousand[/i] years and a [i]day[/i], is the refuge of us creatures of a day. Peter views God’s eternity in relation to the last day: that day seems to us, short-lived beings, long in coming, but [i]with the Lord[/i] the interval is irrespective of the idea of long or short. His eternity exceeds all measures of time: to His divine knowledge all future things are present: His power requires not long delays for the performance of His work: His long-suffering excludes all impatient expectation and eager haste, such as we men feel. He is equally blessed in one day and in a thousand years. He can do the work of a thousand years in one day: so in 2Pe_3:9 it is said, “He is not slack,” that is, “slow”: He has always the power to fulfil His “promise.”

[b]thousand years as one day[/b] — No delay which occurs is long to God: as to a man of countless riches, a thousand guineas are as a single penny. God’s oeonologe ([i]eternal-ages[/i] measurer) differs wholly from man’s horologe ([i]hour-glass[/i]). His gnomon (dial-pointer) shows all the hours at once in the greatest activity and in perfect repose. To Him the hours pass away, neither more slowly, nor more quickly, than befits His economy. There is nothing to make Him need either to hasten or delay the end. The words, “with the Lord” (Psa_90:4, “In Thy sight”), silence all man’s objections on the ground of his incapability of understanding this [Bengel].

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary
([i]Italics extant[/i])

To Crsschk:

Very funny! Methinks thee will not reply about either Hosea 5 or 6 that I posted previously.

Sincerely,

Walter

crsschk wrote:
Hi Walter,

Hebrew colloquialisms ...

305. Go and teach it outside (Erub. 9a; Jom. 43b).

We cannot accept your version. Cf. the common saying, "Tell it to the marines."

*306. Carry vegetables to the town of vegetables! (Menaḥ. 85a; D. 447).

Used sarcastically. Similar to the English proverb, "Carry coals to Newcastle." It is also said, "Thou art carrying straw to Ephraïm" (ibid.), "They carry brine to Apamæa and fish to Acco" (Ex. R. ch. ix. § 6). This proverb is put into the mouth of Pharaoh's magicians when Moses threatened to work his wonders in Egypt, the land of wonders.

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Hi Ron:

The third day consists of exactly one thousand years. Jesus Christ has promised the Jews the Millennial reign (1,000 year reign) upon the earth. That entire 1,000 years will be for them. We, as Christian believers, who were raptured before the Tribulation, will return with Him at His second coming, to rule and reign with Him during this thousand year reign. At the end of the 1,000 year reign, Satan will be loosed one last time to deceive the nations. All nations then come against Jerusalem (where Christ has ruled and reigned for 1,000 years), and when they arrive, Christ will slay them all by the WORDS from His mouth.

He will then judge the lost at the Great White Throne. He will bring the "Books" forward to Judge them (Christ is the Judge). The Books are the Book of Life, and the Bible. Since all of these people were relying on their own works to earn their way to heaven, their works are compared to the standard that is required to gain entry to heaven. All of their works are found lacking. All will see that all of their works are nothing more than filthy rags to the Lord. The only Work acceptable to get into heaven is BELIEF in Jesus Christ and the Work that He performed for all of humanity at Croos, when He became sin for us. They will ALL bend their knees to him, and then be sent to Hell for eternity.

He (Christ) will then destroy the earth in fire, and create a new Heaven and a New Earth, and we will be with HIM forever, in our resurrected bodies.

[b]I recall a Bible teaching in regards to the 8th day (that I cannot find right now). As I recall, there are six days for man, or six thousand years, one day for the Millenium (or 1,000 years), and the 8th day is the day of new beginnings, for the New Heaven and the New Earth, that will continue forever and ever.[/b]

Archbishop James Ussher (1581-1656), the learned Irish Anglican Archbishop of Armagh, Ireland who was a scholar and historian of the first rank, prepared a Chronology of Biblical events based upon his study of the Holy Scriptures, deriving 4004 B.C. as the year of creation. His dates were almost universally accepted until the mid-nineteenth century, when apostacy became rampant (and is even more so today). The book he wrote that is the best I have ever read is entitled "Annals of the World".

http://www.amazon.com/Annals-World-Usshers-Classic-History/dp/0890513600

Sincerely,

Walter

InTheLight wrote:

Christ was crucified on the cross and rose from the dead and ascended into heaven about 33 A.D. However, if he was actually born at 4 A.D. then he will return in 2 days, or about 2,029 A.D. However, if our current calendar is correct, he will return at 2033 A.D. and the one thousand year millenium will start then.

[url=James Ussher- Annals of the World]http://www.amazon.com/Annals-World-Usshers-Classic-History/dp/0890513600[/url]

Sincerely,

Walter

Waltern,

The point of my previous post is that regardless of what data you set as the end of the second day, if 1 day = 1000 years, then you have a 1000 year window for fulfillment of that prophecy of Hosea 6:2 when he said, "[b]in[/b] the third day."

Say for example we take your date of 2033 AD as the end of the second day, then for your theory to be accurately interpreted, "in the third day", could mean any time between 2034 and 3033 AD.

In Christ,

Ron

To ChrisJD:

[b]Moses is praying to God by 1)praising God for who He is and what He has done & what He will do, and at the same time, praying back the Scriptures to Him. Jonah also praised God and prayed back the Scriptures to Him when he was in the belly of the whale.[/b]

If we know the Scriptures, we can do the same thing!

In our daily together time with the Lord, in the early morning, when we commune with God, that is when we are to do the same as Moses. The same Bible that we study, and learn at other times is now used to pray back the Scripture to our Lord,in praise and worship of Him. By doing this, we are communing with Him and in doing so, He "quicken's" His Word to us, and in this wonderful "together time" we are drawn closer to Him as we worship and adore Him, and become more like Him, as we "put on" Jesus Christ.

When we read each verse, we look for:

1.\tPromise to claim
2.\tSin to avoid
3.\tWarning to heed
4.\tCommand to obey
5.\tGood example to follow
6.\tBad example to shum
7.\tNew thought about God the Father
8.\tNew thought about God the Son
9.\tNew thought about God the Holy Spirit
10.\tFresh insight into the person of Satan
11.\tFresh insight into Satan’s cruel goal
12.\tFresh insight into Satan’s subtle devices.

Sincerely,

Walter

ChrisJD wrote:
Hi everyone,

Walter, about this,

Psalms 90:4
This verse, like 2 Peter 3:8, is often misinterpreted to justify taking the days of creation as equivalent to geological ages.

But who is doing that here? It seems rather that the opposite has been insisted upon, that these verses have nothing to do with any specific time, so what is the point of bringing this out, except maybe to confuse the issue by associating this with something that is unreasonable?

In Psalms 90:4 Moses is referring to the ancient descendents of Adam.

Where does the scripture say that? Verse one begins with The LORD as the subject and as far as I can tell continues that way down through verse 4, where it speaks of [i]his sight[/i] and how He views things.

Verse 1 says [i]Thou[/i] hast been

Verse 2 says [i]Thout[/i] art God

Verse 3 says [i]Thou[/i] turnest

and Verse 4 says [i]a thousand years in thy sight[/i].

Where does the scripture say that Moses is now speaking about 'the ancient descendants of Adam'?
(edit: What I mean more specifically is where has that become the emphasis of the verse, rather than God, and time in relation to Him)

Even though their individual lives lasted almost a thousand years (each person), by the time of Moses they were all but forgotten.

Forgotten by who? The subject here is God. Not the memory of others in the minds of men? Where does the scripture say any of that?

Walter, you told me,

In conclusion ChrisJD, unless our "opinions' are supported by Bible Scripture, by Bible Doctrine, by Bible "Teaching", then they have no value to the blood bought beleivers of Jesus Christ.

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Hello, Ginnyrose:

Is this an exercise in futiltiy, by trying to determine the day or the hour?

I don't think so, especially right now when so many of my brothers and sisters in Christ are focused on the rapture, a one way ticket out of here and away from persecution. Instead, all of us must be focused on witnessing to the lost, for the harvest of lost souls, on their way to hell, that Jesus Christ put's in our path each and everyday.

My purpose in establishing a date is for all of us to realize that the rapture might be at least 15 years from now, or even eighteen years away AND WE SHOULD BE ABOUT THE LORDS BUSINESS.

As far as Matthew 24:34 is concerned, we are in that generation that Christ referred to. But the problem with setting a date based on that is what exactly is a generation?. In Exodus 3:14-15 a generation is determined by God to be 100 years. In Psalms 90:10 we find 70 years. So, it is very confusing. If we went with 70 years, Christ would return about 2018, if we used 100 years as a generation, He would return on May 14th, 2048!

The point of my entire post is to wake my brothers and sister's up out of sleep, and to point them back to the Great Commission.

"For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain"
Phil 1:21

Sincerely,

Walter

ginnyrose wrote:
I remember quite a few years ago we had an evangelist in our church who was really good except he got off on a limb trying to figure out when Christ's return would be.

He used Matthew 24:34: "Truly I say unto you, [i][b]this[/b][/i] generation shall not pass away until these things be fulfilled." as a springboard to set an approximate era of return. Granted this chapter has double meanings: the immediate time when Jesus spoke as well as the very end. For it to fit the very end, Palestine had to become a nation which occurred in 1948. Now it again was a political nation.

"This generation shall not pass until it be fulfilled": now that Israel was a nation, the generation that saw its formation will witness Jesus return. He calculated a generation to be x number of years - I forgot the number. But anyhow, this number of years has long since passed and as of this moment he has not returned - at least I have not heard any trumpets blow!

Over 21 years ago a man also calculated Jesus would return in 1988 and wrote a book "88 Reasons why Jesus will return in 1988" Someone said he later amended that to 1989! Wonder what he is doing now? Sure feel sorry for his wife!

Is this not an exercise in futility?

ginnyrose

To ChristJD:

I truly apologize if my posts have confused you in any way. They were designed to make you think, and to draw you closer to our Savior, and to draw you closer to His Word, the Bible, which God has magnified above His Name.

Ps. 138:2: “For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.”

Sincerely,

Walter

ChrisJD wrote:
Hi Walter,

Thank you for the suggestions that you made to me for studying the Bible.

Do you think that these things speak to the questions that I asked you about the doctrines that you put forth?

One of the things that I think will demonstrate the reality of the time spent that you mentioned is the way in which what we have learned there, will build up and eddify others, rahter than minister confusion and contention.

If we have spent time before the altar of incense there ought to be a sweet aroma that follows.

May God bless you richly.