Glenn Beck - AIG Smokescreen - Watch This

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/22954/

I would recommend the video on this page to all. It is very important information. While everyone was angry about the AIG bonuses - the Fed snuck this little deal in behind the scenes.

May the Lord break wickedness with a rod of iron.

*Edit* I saw this piece of news as a small link on CNN when it happened, but didn't think much about it. Now, it wasn't even on the main page (the main page on some nonsense about what Charles Manson does in prison), I had to search for it - here is the original story - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29707055/

With care in Christ,
Taylor

The mystery in all this is that the Federal Reserve, as I understand Central Banking, supplied the banks with the money they loaned out to begin with. If you think about how much aggregate debt we have as a nation (home loans, car loans, credit cards, lines of credit, school loans, business loans, the national debt, local and county debts, etc.) there is no way citizens have saved up that money that is loaned out. What happens? Loans are made with money brought out of [i] thin air[/i] by the Central Bank (Federal Reserve). Sounds outrageous? This is called [i]Fractional Reserve Lending[/i].

So if the FED calls in 1 Trillion Dollars in loans they are essentially assuming responsibility to collect on these loans monies created from thin air and loaned out at interest. The banks are being cut-out of the process to the tune of all the interest that could have been made on the Trillion with the added losses of the loans that go into default + any related expenses dealing with collections, etc.

The real 'smoke screen' is the idea that the Fed had to 'buy' these loans from banks- as if they had that amount of liquidity themselves to be able to make a Trillion in loans. Americans do not save nearly as much as they borrow in the aggregate. The money is 'printed' or digitally created by the FED out of 'thin air' in the form of liquidity; i.e, cash dollars are created to make an asset 'liquid'. If I can 'liquidate' and asset I can get cash for it. What if there is no money to buy it? You simply create it from nothing and loan it out at interest.

If it is regulated it 'can' work. But the currency is a FIAT currency that has no real 1 to 1 backing of either silver or gold. This takes the roof off of how much money can be throttled into our economy in the form of loans. These 'loans' have been the driving FORCE of our economy for some time now. When the loans dry up- peoples spending resorts to the cash that is actually available in the economy. Things slow down. The FED controls this 'usually' by changing interest rates.

Making these loans has sent our [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply#United_States]Total Money Supply[/url] through the roof! And the vast majority of it was borrowed. That is a stunning thing to consider. So for the FED to 'buy' a trillion is nothing more than to call the loans to themselves. As I understand it, the money is already in the economy and no new money need be created. The NOTES are simply changing hands from the local banks to the FED.

Hi Brother,

Yes, I know this situation did not start, and that the Federal Reserve has been a problem for almost a century. I was simply pointing out this one particular act of the Fed that happened a few days ago.

Thanks for pointing out that the Mint suspended bullion production, I didn't know that.

With care in Christ,
Taylor

A days wages for a loaf of bread. I think there's a big problem and this poor man sounded a pretty loud trumpet. It appears the New World Order is not too far off unless the Lord Himself intervenes. Their motto of course is order out of chaos. Wow. If the government is in fact run by the illuminati, they don't care about a collapse; they want one.

An excellent, short explanation of the flawed money system is available online:

google "the gig is up"

After digging through a long Googled list, I though I would post the link for some others. Be prepared it is over an hour long. I have only listened to the first 5 minutes.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4020719354420953428

Hi Natan...

Several years, after watching American personal savings rates go negative, after watching our government under President Bush spend several trillion dollars on a lost war that was born in the swaddling cloth of LIES, while at the same time give back 700 billion dollars to the top 2% of wage earners...

Anyway, I completely understand your point...even though I disagree. Over the past few months, I have attempted to stay away from politically charged statements (my own or personal responses to such) here on SermonIndex. Not only are they usually unfruitful, they are often a distraction from the focus of this website. Of course, this is difficult when we might see what we feel to be an offense by a member of government (such as those who disagreed with the war in Iraq...or those who are quick to point out President Obama's own record with abortion, etc...).

As for the initial post: Shouldn't we, as believers, be free from worry? The Scriptures say in Matthew 6:25-33 to refrain from worry. Verse 32 says that this is an attribute or [i]Gentiles[/i] (or, as the NIV states, [i]pagans[/i] seek such things). We should definitely strive to live as good stewards and providers for our house...but we should endeavor to trust in God for our daily bread.

With great love,

Brother Chris,

This discussion wasn't meant to engender worry. However, Proverbs says that the wise man sees trouble coming and prepares himself for it. So, yes, we trust God for our daily bread, but also use the means given to us (work, research, preparation) to secure a livelihood for our family in case of economic disaster. It is a simple matter of historical fact that an economic system that is debt based with a fiat currency, including a central bank causing inflation and deflation, never ends in success. The founding fathers of America knew this. Article I of the Constitution actually bans the states from requiring anything but gold and silver coin for payment of debts.

[i]"Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice." (letter to J. Bowen, Rhode Island, Jan. 9, 1787) "If ever again our nation stumbles upon unfunded paper, it shall surely be like death to our body politic. This country will crash."[/i] --George Washington

With care in Christ,
Taylor

Hi everyone,

Neil, about this,

read Isaiah and Jeremiah, they had plenty to say of the leadership of their day.

They also spoke [b]for God[/b].

Is that the case with you? Or with the video link that you posted?

Or the man you wrote about in this thread, saying that he:

...is sowing the fear, screaming about the "what the next terrorist attack will look like", or "how we'll be wheeling around wheelbarrows full of paper money for a loaf of bread", and offers NO solutions, no thoughtful discourse, because thats what his corporate media masters want, rachet up the fear, keep Americans in a state of witless terror, so that when something DOES happen, Americans will eagerily give up their freedoms to run into the arms of tyrants who will "protect" them. Godless hellions the lot of them I say.

So who is speaking here neil and whose words are you(EDIT and others) putting before God's people?

When Solomon says 'a wise man feareth and departeth from evil' he does not say 'he spreads it around', or repeats the fears of others.

Right before that it is written that the simple beleive every word.

In the law it says we should not go up and down as a talebearer among our people(see Leviticus 19:16). According to Strong's Hebrew Dictionary, the word translated 'talebearer' is:

H7400
רכיל
râkîyl
raw-keel'
From H7402; a scandal monger (as travelling about): - slander, carry tales, talebearer.

I understand the desire to warn others about coming dangers that we percieve, but whose report are we putting before the people of God? And whose words are we sowing into their hearts?

"Why we fight" is excellent, and especially surprising coming from a major outlet.

My husband and I watched over an hour of Why We Fight. It amazes us that they are allowed to show it. And that people are so willing to just 'do their job.'

The thing that bothers us the most is that they kept saying that we were fighting for Democracy. After viewing this explanation of the American form of Government http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/ we want nothing to do with a Democracy.

The only thing that we can trust is Our Lord.

Kind regards,
white stone

ChrisJD, a question regarding your statement,

"I understand the desire to warn others about coming dangers that we perceive, but whose report are we putting before the people of God? And whose words are we sowing into their hearts?"

Regarding current events and the necessity of making informed decisions, whose reports would you recommend we consider? The Bible alone prescribes our moral persuasions, but what information and media outlets should we observe in order to understand which options, socially and politically, best represent our moral beliefs? If I am asked by my country to vote, enlist, or support any policy, where and how should I go about learning the actual motives or intentions of a given option?

You seem to have an assurance that there are better or more dependable sources of current information than the links provided. That may be so, and I ask you to please share so the saints might be prepared to act responsibly.

PS: Might I remind you that so recently as 1962, high-ranked agents of the United Sates government, including generals and CIA directors, were exposed for their intention to terrorize and even kill American citizens for the purpose of providing a pretext to an invasion of Cuba? Lest someone accuse me of donning a "tin-foil hat", I will state that these documents are available for the world to see on the United States' own website, Archive.gov, for the National Archive.

[url=http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1470a.jpg]Page 8, Operation Northwoods[/url]
[url=http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1471a.jpg]Page 9, Operation Northwoods[/url]
[url=http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1472a.jpg]Page 10, Operation Northwoods[/url]
[url=http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1473a.jpg]Page 11, Operation Northwoods[/url]

(You may view the whole document [url=http://www.smeggys.co.uk/operation_northwoods.php]here[/url].)

The plan was prematurely exposed by John F. Kennedy, but could have gone operational without Congressional or Executive oversight, per Bay of Pigs. The operation included plans to blow up manned American ships and blame the attacks on Cuba; to destroy American commercial airliners and blame the event on Cuba, and "Develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."

This operation is especially notable in that it included plans for hijackings and bombings followed by the use of phony evidence that would blame the terrorist acts on a foreign government, namely Cuba.

The plan stated:

"The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."

Read it yourself on the US governments own website. For the love of power, people do bad things.

We, as Christians, need to be aware of what we join and represent.

Love and grace in Christ.

Hi again everyone,

theopenlife,

you asked,

Regarding current events and the necessity of making informed decisions, whose reports would you recommend we consider?

I don't think God has instructed us to inform ourselves from the media. But I cannot say if he has instructed [b]you[/b] to do so.

God has given His people His Spirit to lead them.

So, whose report are you putting before God's people?

Chris,

I put Glenn Beck's report before God's people.

With care in Christ,
Taylor

theopenlife,

also, about this,

You seem to have an assurance that there are better or more dependable sources of current information than the links provided.

You are responsible for the ones you are presenting. Tthe truth and the lies, if there are any.

Hi Taylor, yes you did,

I think the openlife and I are talking about the link he provided.

So Taylor, do you think this man is qualified to speak to God's people?

Chris,

Yes.

And what do you base that on Taylor?

Does he have the Spirit of God?

Hi everyone,

Here is a report on the same information from a Christian news source: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/562499.aspx

With care in Christ,
Taylor

A pig in a gown is still a pig.

theopenlife,

about this,

Might I remind you that so recently as 1962...

Where does God tell us to be involved in this sort of thing? How many hours am I supposed to devote now to sorting out all the facts of the history that you have brought here or even trying to understand all of this?

Where does God instruct us to search out these things or to involve ourselves in them?

Neil, you asked,

Are we not to forthspeak as led by God? and who are you to ask me this question:

You were challenged by someone else as to the way you were speaking about leaders of government. You replied by saying:

and I'm glad you have no problem with my "liberty" to write as such. This is not just a political post, read Isaiah and Jeremiah, they had plenty to say of the leadership of their day.

Since you appealed to men that spoke for God in refrence to your own behavior here, I asked you if you were speaking for God.

I would not be so feckless and arrogant to even say that I spoke for God. My relationship with the Lord is between Him and me, you are not my inquistor.

Your words and actions here are public and I asked you directly who you were speaking for since you appealed to the prophets in refrence to being challenged about the way you were speaking.

Furthermore, you have insinuated that I speak for someone other than God, and that is just awful sin on your part:

This is what I actually wrote, first, your comments:

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...is sowing the fear, screaming about the "what the next terrorist attack will look like", or "how we'll be wheeling around wheelbarrows full of paper money for a loaf of bread", and offers NO solutions, no thoughtful discourse, because thats what his corporate media masters want, rachet up the fear, keep Americans in a state of witless terror, so that when something DOES happen, Americans will eagerily give up their freedoms to run into the arms of tyrants who will "protect" them. Godless hellions the lot of them I say.
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So who is speaking here neil and whose words are you(EDIT and others) putting before God's people?"

That is your description of this "as far as Glenn beck, no offense, all he's doing imo..."

So who then is speaking, is this man speaking for God?

You didnt like what you heard?...and therefore you cloak your own fleshly national prejudices in the verbiage of the Faith?

I didn't watch the video you posted. Are you speaking for God here Neil?

Neil, about this,

Nor was the video I presented fear monging, scnadal mongering, slander, carrying tales, or be a talebearer as you so sinfully insinuated I was, and to add insult to injury, to do it in my mother tongue Hebrew.

I don't know what it was or was not. I do not generally watch videos on the internet that I know nothing about. Are you saying it is not a report about scandal, intrigue, lies, deception, coverup and so forth?

If it is, whose report is it? And why is it to be trusted by God's people?

I do not know of any examples in the scripture where we are instructed to search out these things. Or to put them before the faces of others.

What I have seen here so far is at least 4 refrences to stories and websites outside of Sermonindex, all of which appear to be carrying some kind of tale or story to be told.

My question to you and the others is the same: who is speaking here and whose words are you sowing into the hearts and minds of God's people.

I think the passage in Leviticus is applicable, if nothing else, then to give us pause to consider how we should treat these things.

Hi again everyone,

Neil,

I posted nothing that would stumble a saint,or cause fear nor anything that would foment rebellion.

I hope that you are right. I looked for information about this video(and if it is the correct one) I watched a trailer for it. It in itself was enough to make my heart grieve and feel nearly sick to my stomach. I thought of how Daniel felt after the vision he saw(Dan 10:8).

I found an interview with the director(if this is not the right movie and director someone please correct me). He says near the end of the interview:

"BBC Four: There are a lot of big documentaries around at the moment. Are there any you'd pick to be on a double bill with?
EJ: In a sense I'd want to double bill the film with a competent piece of testimony that is very much opposed to what is in my film, but it's hard for me to say. Basically you want to go dancing afterwards, internalise it and let off steam after seeing it. Either that or picket in the street."

The qoute above is taken from a BBC interview [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/storyville/eugene-jarecki.shtml]here[/url]