[color=000000]Does Christ, the "Word", share your body?[/color]
Are you "Born Again"?
yes, praise His Holy Name, and praise His mercy and love, and praise the God the Holy Ghost for a baptism such as is available in the Economy of God!
Praise Him!
PS 117:1-2
[color=000000]Our dispositions are a variable. They must be otherwise how can our characters fall in line with that of Jesus'? Preaching concerning dispositions must happen that it be seen as the one thing of us that is given us to change and only by the means of our being born again from above can it be accomplished. Our inclinations will follow suit as a reward if our affinities to God are being preserved. If one's disposition is of moral rectitude his inclination will be righteous. The converse will be true if his disposition is compromised. Our disposition will determine what we lust after. All lust has at its root the "self" of man and that it is served immediately. “Temptation yielded to is lust deified”. . Chambers
Our disposition, housed in our body, is the main spring of our soul that we are given to purify. It is our responsibility. God’s will is that we do that that He can express Himself from us. Altering it is by the Holy Spirit who tutors us in the Character of the Father. “In that day you will ask me nothing”, said Jesus in Jn. 16.23. What day is that except that day we come into the understanding that God desires from us what He received from Jesus, total allegiance. So the question remains: “Are you born again”?[/color]
[color=000000]"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently" 1 Peter 1:22 (KJV)
The Mark of the Born again? . . a changed disposition.
“Wherefore it behoved Him in all things to be made like unto His brethren”. Heb.2.17
His “brethren” are those in whom He is born. Is He born in you?
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Intense wrote:
[color=000000]"Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently" 1 Peter 1:22 (KJV)The Mark of the Born again? . . a changed disposition.
“Wherefore it behoved Him in all things to be made like unto His brethren”. Heb.2.17
His “brethren” are those in whom He is born. Is He born in you?
"But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience." "In your patience possess you your souls". . Jesus.
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Can I ask the moderators why 'Intense' has been removed from this forum...???? He has asked serious questions that need to be answered, answered? I am a Pastor teaching these principals that need to be spoken of...Joint Heirship, sons of God, Adoption, seated in heavenly places, really...Our God is not a Genie, we don't rub his belly and get three wishes. He is Sovereign and we get the privilege of becoming His son(s) and (daughters). My email is Hissteps@rocketmail.com PS. Calvinism is the BANE of Christianity, it allows us to be Goats, and allows gives us the excuse..He gave us a new heart, find that for me....please
I am so disgusted with what I see..Denominations, can't we be truthful with ourselves and get into the word and what it says.."In the Light", you will be judged for your heart, brother. Be forewarned.....
Isn't it interesting how INTENSE gets the most hits on his THREADS must be hitting something of interest, eh... Are you afraid of the truth or holding on to your position? Shame on you all for not holding on to the truth of the Gospel, the real Truth. You all need reread Chambers, Fromke, Mantles etc....
PS. I am teaching these things and my people are blown away by the truth of Jesus. Being instead of doing, trumps all the denominational bull......
Jerry Springer attracts a crowd everytime. Wherever there is contention and a train wreck, people will stop and watch.
that's the best you can do, Jerry Springer? Why don't you answer the thread questions....Really, Heard of Paul Washer....I think you are so caught up in your Dogma you can't see the trees for the forest..When is the last time you read your Bible for yourself instead of using it as a sword for this forum. You just might find a word for yourself...be objective
One more...Gernhard forde Theologian of the Cross, try that one out...
who has to pay for the bandwidth, to host threads such as this. its just terrible. My resources at present are low, but I'm praying that I may be able to help defray the cost of this ministry. Terrible witness gentleman.
I did answer "Intense's" question below, and if you want MORE, than you're just an inquisitor, and so is he...and you pastor up a flock? Lord, have mercy. Brother, loving advice? cool off. ...please, I'm begging you.
Come on please...that is the best you can do...Can't you answer better than that....And yes I am condescending, Answer the questions. Answer me this, Is your church dying because your not preaching the truth. What is the age of your congregation? What impact are you making in your community? do
they know you? PS. I am not Warren or Emergent just truth and the real hope
Really, I wish you could see my youth. On fire and passionate for Christ, not about DOING but BEING for Him, Christ. No Hamster wheel, pure love for the Father....you people make me sick...probably just finished a Blood drive or food for the homeless instead of preaching the truth....
Instead, you would burden your people with 'things to do'. How about devotions to the Father (more personal instead of GOD), I want to please my Father, How about you? For to long we have exchanged 'doing' for 'being'. Being is much easier-BROAD as opposed to 'NARROW'. Get my drift?
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry!!
I say this in love: For what it's worth, I'm glad the guy, whoever he was, is gone. Hopefully you'll be gone shortly too.
God bless you whever you may go. I want revival, not shinnanaghens.
King Jimmy,
You couldn't handle me in a real debate over SONSHIP as opposed to Calvins weak thoughts...and you will be judged for YOUR Heresy..be forewarned..and yes, you have my flesh riled...You and your ILK have wrecked the church for hundreds of years..
VADER 8-)
Moderator---I am not trying to start trouble here, I am disappointed in the lack of REAL Forthright study. Lets be honest
You are probably right.
Dear Moderators: Please lock this thread.
KingJimmy wrote:
Dear Moderators: Please lock this thread.
Why Jimmy? What is being exposed here you fear? If you fear nothing then why not contribute your understanding instead of hijacking the thread to make it be about what it isn't, me.
Vader,
I sense an anger here...and that is disturbing. Intense is still here...
Have you ever studied Galatians 5:26 carefully? The entire verse applies still...
Or, better yet read the entire chapter of Galatians 5...
Yes, sir, we all fall short once a while and need to repent and apologize...not one is exempt. Helps to keep us humble...
Blessings,
ginnyrose
I've risked my life for the sake of the gospel, and even lost a fiance over it. Believe me, you and whatever understanding you have is the least of my fears. I'm saddened you and Vadar would attempt to provoke others in such a carnal nature. I pray you truly find God. Please leave the forums until you do.
I already answered Intense /Ormly's question, as for you, you words betray the place you come from. .
you are not you say to be, I know where you come from, and where you are going, unless you turn.
I'm going to make a prediction, you will not be long for this forum.
You poor man. Jesus gave His life. All of the Apostles save one, died a martyrs death.
KingJimmy wrote:
I've risked my life for the sake of the gospel, and even lost a fiance over it. Believe me, you and whatever understanding you have is the least of my fears.
I'm saddened you and Vadar would attempt to provoke others in such a carnal nature. I pray you truly find God.
Since we should provoke one another to dig deeper into the word of God and nothing more, please explain what you mean by that because my replies have been above reproach and central entirely to that challenge. Perhaps it is the substance of my replies you disagree with. Argue that out with yourself instead of presenting ad hominen remarks. Natan4Jesus should take this to heart as well.
If and when the Moderators feel I have violated the rules, I am sure they will remove me. In the meantime, why not you and anyone else, stick to addressing the title of this thread instead of making personal attacks based upon what you believe my motives are? I would like to assure everyone that they are Godward. . .KenPlease leave the forums until you do.
You know i know i am a wicked man myself and have no right i guess to point fingers when i look at my awful, selfish,prideful, self but the words of unkindness and gentleness and truth in love our not being spoken, i believing in speaking the truth but the words coming out by some in truth our from vengeful intentions it seems. I would like to make this clear armenians, calvinists have their own iterpretation of scripture just like we all have our own too, too point the finger solely as them being the problem is wrong when we can all see that they make their points from where they see scripture just like us giving our own interpretation on scripture. The Bible teaches the depravity of man, the father choosing the sheep as seen in john's gospel 10 chapter, irrestible grace would be the fact that it is all Gods doing in salvation ich we respond because of his holy spirit, and perserverance of the saints is taught too, their our verses that can fit with all of them but i know people disagree but their our verses and chapters on them. May our intentions be right brothers because we either serve the lord or we don't.Godliness is gain, overcome evil with good, without love you do not profit anything.
bible4life wrote:
You know i know i am a wicked man myself and have no right i guess to point fingers when i look at my awful, selfish,prideful,
Lets take just this portion and explain how it is that you, who I guess, considers himself to be born again; has the the Holy Ghost living inside you, are still a wicked man?
Moderators: Please lock this thread and ban Intense/Omry.
KingJimmy wrote:
Moderators: Please lock this thread and ban Intense/Omry.
Why are you posting on my thread, expressing such insecurity, KingJimmy? Why the persecution? Why not just ignore my thread, move on and allow others who might have something to say constructive, say it without your distractions? Do you believe you are being fair to me? You certainly aren't being fair to them.
I will answer your question, yes I a m born again. I am praying for you Ken, you come to the forum to cause strife . Your words prove this to be true. Your post are more like demands or interagations designed to pick fights and problems. This is not the Christ like loving heart we are to have with one another. I pray you will seek God and repent. The hardness of your heart is clear, I pray you will no longer be deceived and that the attitudes you have been walking in will be repented of. Perhaps taking some time to reflect on the love we are called to have for one another might be a better way for you to spend your time inside of creating post after post that only served to greive the Lord whom you claim to profess.
Praying for you still to turn from this pride an arrogance you have displayed here
Rdg
A lot of accusations, young lady. How about some specifics. Where is the hardness of my heart displayed? Where am I picking fights? What words of mine prove what you say to be true? What post can you point to where I haven't displayed brotherly kindness? In what in my writings, grieves the Lord? Indeed my brotherly kindnesses have been looked upon as anger, hatefulness, arrogance, "bitter with myself" and much of other moods however, I ask you to point to one. Have I accused anyone. Have I attacked anyone? Where is the offense in my words? Have I personally addressed you in any threads? Can you do that? Can you offer up some specifics? Thank you.
I started this thread by asking this question:
Does Christ, the "Word", share your body?
I find it is a sad commentary that so-called Christians who proclaim the born again experience have no idea about who it is that indwells them. Instead of addressing the question to perhaps realize a fresh perspective of the privilege in Christ as a direct result of His indwelling, have taken to argue over to refute any possibility of the issue of divinity being in them even though it is new birth "from above" they embrace. They have rather believed I am declaring, we are divine. Where that is in the thread or any of my posts that infers that, can't be found and yet the accusations persist. Baffling to me the reason I am to made to be saying that when I have refuted it many times.
If as it seems, no one, for reasons I won't guess at, wishes to discuss the thread then I would ask the Mod's to lock it down. This other stuff is pointless. . .no ridiculous. . . .Ken
Still praying for you Ken. I am not going to get caught up in your game of back and forth, that is not the heart that we should be walking in. You have had many brothers and sister here try to share truth with you about your attitudes and how you are coming across, you refuse to see this so all that is left to do is pray for you and hope that you will see His truth and walk in it. Perhaps some time in the mirror reflecting on what it means to love one another above yourself and your need to be right is called for. Jesus commands us to lay our life down for the one another and to love one another. I will be praying for you.
In His love and care
rdg
Then back off
In His love and care,,
Ken
I have 6 private and unsolicited messages from Intense attempting to pick a fight. God bless him just the same.
Publish them. You have my permission.
Here let me begin:
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Intense wrote:
What is your problem that you should press sooo hard to have ths thread closed and me removed? Are you that insecure?
#1. What have I written that alarms you so; that you believe goes against the grain of your understanding?"
Now publish your reply that folks can read your love in your words, your "God Bless me". . . .or should I?
What is it exactly you want to know brother, I by God's grace may be able to help you.
I Thank God for your life, in the Name of Jesus, Amen.
Angelx wrote:
What is it exactly you want to know brother, I by God's grace may be able to help you.
I Thank God for your life, in the Name of Jesus, Amen.
It's what I want to say and not what I want to know.
I already know what I want to say and hope to find someone who wants to know. Perhaps I can help you if you want to know?
Then speak Ken and lets see how the Spirit leads us, Amen. IT IS WELL
Is there something you want to talk about?, maybe something you are passionate about in scripture that you want to share?.
Angelx wrote:
Is there something you want to talk about?, maybe something you are passionate about in scripture that you want to share?.
Sure, read the op; read the follow up post. I asked a question. What would be your response?
ok, let me go read it.
Hey Intense
I would like to answer your question that you asked. Yes I am twice born and yes Jesus our Lord and Savior does live in me. If I may postfrom a really wonderful teaching to share with you, it really touches on what I believe our walk with the Lord is:-)
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However, the Good News of Jesus Christ and the gospel is not just about going to heaven…the Good New of Jesus is that the power of an indestructible life can live within us. Jesus Christ was manifest to destroy the works of the devil; not just to forgive sins, but to destroy the devil’s power over us. We are learning to live like Jesus lived. We are learning to live by the Spirit rather than by the law. We’re learning to live by the Spirit rather than by the flesh or by religion or by willpower, by our soul, or by our hormones. We’re learning to live by the Spirit. To hear God. To sense Him. To drink Him up. When God looks at us, isn’t it essential that He say, “This is My Son in whom I am well-pleased?” We are at a place in our lives where we are learning how to live by the Spirit. We are learning how to let this living thing inside of us commune with God and receive its strength and its nourishment and its guidance and its color and sight and sound from the Spirit of God seated with Christ in the heavenly realms. And THAT is in an altogether different dimension. You do understand that, right? “Seated with Christ” doesn’t mean you go up way high in a rocket ship. That means you live in the fifth dimension, where God is. That is His intention. Not in time and space as men perceive it, but in a dimension that is beyond where the physical body can go, because the spirit within you is not confined to time and space. It can live with Christ seated in heavenly realms. At peace, in heavenly realms. What you need to learn in order to go from one degree of glory to another to another with ever-increasing glory is to learn how to live by the Spirit. That His life, His wisdom, His knowledge, His personality, His strength can be manifest in us. Some of the small things that entails is putting to death the misdeeds of the body. That is only a small part of it — that’s not the end of the story. The big, exciting news, is not just that you don’t have to sin anymore. That is certainly true, but it is only a small part of what it means to live connected to the vine, abiding in Him, living nourished by Him, fed by Him, instructed day and night as you sleep, as you rise, as you walk along the way, instructed by the Spirit of God. That goes way beyond simply putting to death the misdeeds of the body (though that of course is also God’s intention).
“Once we, too, were foolish and disobedient. We were misled by others and became slaves to many wicked desires and evil pleasures. Our lives were full of evil and envy. We hated others, and they hated us.
“But then God our Savior showed us his kindness and love. He saved us, not because of the good things we did, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins and gave us a new life through the Holy Spirit. He generously poured out the Spirit upon us because of what Jesus Christ our Savior did. He declared us not guilty because of his great kindness. And now we know that we will inherit eternal life. These things I have told you are all true. I want you to insist on them so that everyone who trusts in God will be careful to do good deeds all the time. These things are good and beneficial for everyone” (Titus 3:3-8)
What is it that we are supposed to insist on? We insist on a knowledge that God has regenerated us, He has washed us, cleansed us and planted His very Life in us. He has awakened our spirit and caused us to have the power to overcome evil in our lives. He has given the power to commune with God, to receive fresh Life from Him every day, manna from heaven on a daily basis, and to hear and feel and experience all that God is. And as Paul said, to “have the very mind of Christ” — to have the anointed life of God with ever-increasing glory living within us and manifesting itself through us. That is God’s intention. As it says in Hebrews, we are “made perfect and are being made holy.” It is a progressive thing. We are “becoming a habitation of God by the Spirit.” God is filling us more and more on an individual and corporate basis as we let go of the cares and worries of the world and the deceitfulness of riches. We are filled more and more as we are quick to submit to God, quick to confess our sin and apologize to Him, and as we are quick to humble ourselves and obey Him in the small things. The more we do those things, the more we make room in our hearts and spirits for Him to manifest Himself and commune with us. Our ability to freely commune with Him increases as we pull up the weeds in our life and make room for Him in our hearts.
In the meantime, the Good News is that “we are made perfect and are being made holy.” If we are uniquely spirited people, then one person’s spirit is totally different from another. Altogether these spirits are the Bride of Christ, an equal yoke for Jesus. But they are all individual pieces. Each one doesn’t have total giftedness or total insight and maturity, but the individual spirit that is within you is uniquely you. The book of Revelation says you will have your own unique name. The spirit that is within you is unique to the universe. And yet as you commune with the Godhead with a clean spirit, pure hands and a clean heart, you become more and more like Him in His image and His glory. You become more able to do what He uniquely created you to do, and more in communion with others who seek Him with a pure heart. Together then we become more and more like Him. In the meantime, we’re “made perfect.” We are clothed with Christ. He looks at us and because He sees the Blood of Jesus, He declares us not guilty. We put on Christ, and that gives us justification before God. But there is another issue called glorification or sanctification — the issue of becoming more like Him in deed, in practice in our lives, in our thoughts, and in our ability to commune with the Father. That is what is at stake for most of us.
There are some who still need to deal with justification and abandon their lives into His hands. But for many of us, the issue is, “How do we become more like Him? How do we get off dead center? How do we put away the stuff that we were in bondage to five years ago or longer?” A big, big part of that is understanding that this God who is rich in mercy has provided you with everything that pertains to life and godliness in Christ Jesus, by His Spirit. And if you will put to death the misdeeds of the body and commune with God in your spirit…if you will fix your eyes on Jesus, the author and the perfecter of faith… if you will call on the Name of the Lord, continually putting aside your flesh and driving yourself towards your Messiah to commune with Him, to worship Him, to love Him… then what you will find is that you are transformed with ever-increasing glory into His image. God Himself is making you more like Him. It’s not by your own effort or willpower, lest you boast…but by your communion with Him you are drawn up into Him and become more like Him as a result. It is extremely important that you have a solid, fundamental understanding of who it is that you are. And also that you understand how we get where we want to be — which is made in the image and likeness, the fruitfulness, the power, the wisdom and the glory of the God we were designed to commune with. You have to put your antennae up. You have to live by the Spirit rather than by your soul or your body.
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this is just a small part of the whole teaching but it does hit on what it means to live in Christ daily:-) I will be around to post for a few days if you have any furthers thoughts:-)
Thanks for asking:-)
Your little sis in Him
Hi Wind_blows! You will have to give me the evening to read and digest what you posted up. Thank you for it however and it deserves more than a coursory reply. May I ask, who wrote it?
Ken
God Bless You sis !.
Hi Wind_blows!
I read it. By and large I agree. Whatever I might see differently doesn't alter the necessity to embrace it as a foundational truth that has been virtually illiminated from orthodoxy/traditional church.
Now, how to convey the need to embrace that perspective to the nominal Christian that a revolution in Christianity can happen? That is the challenge I see and why I believe the church needs to be evangelized. The Lord is coming again for a spotless Bride. I don't believe the church as we are used to it, comes close to meeting that condition/requirement and nor do I believe the Lord is going to wave a necromantic wand and change all church goers into a righteous identity as some might suppose..
Thank you for all that, it was a refreshing read.. .Ken
