Islamic Antichrist?

This is a very interesting article about the Antichrist and Islam.

http://disciples-of-jesus.net/islamicantichrist.htm

Thought provoking and makes a strong argument. Thinks surely seem to lead this way.

Only to pray and stand fast as we look to the One to come!

Reformer

Glad you enjoyed it.

The thought of an islamic antichrist has been put forth for several years by many people.

I can see it as a very viable belief. I of course am not dogmatic about it. Folks can beleive what they want about it. When it happens the elect will be able to see it.(editing addition; elect will be able to see the true antichrist weather he be islam or whatever) Even though the deception will be very strong.

There is a new book out called, "The Islamic Antichrist" by Joel Richardson. I have not read it yet but it appears like it will be worth reading.
God bless, John

Keep your powder dry, your larder stocked, buy silver (as currency) buy more Bibles than you need, and hide them, and when you can, as the Lord allows, move into the hinterlands, rural areas, learn how to grow food, raise cattle, horses, and be prepared to preach the Word, dont assume that rural areas are "holy", just coz they call them the "Bible Belt".

Keep your eyes fixed on Jesus and dont fear, dont hate, rest in Faith.

God bless you all, neil

This is a very recent report on Mahdism conference in Iran.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106046

Irans Ayatollah calls for unification of muslim armies to pave way for Mahdi return.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=107234

Antichrist, who eventually is nothing more than Satan incarnate, will have tremendous power to deceive those that are left behind. As far as a Muslim actually being Antichrist, I find that hard to believe. Antichrist will have to appear to the Jews as the Messiah they have been praying for, for centuries. To do that, he will have to be of Jewish origin. When he brokers a peace treaty between the Jews and the Arabs, with the agreement that the Jews will rebuild their Temple---- they will think that he is the POLITICAL MESSIAH they have always wanted.

[color=990000][b]However, 3 1/2 years after the peace treaty is signed, and the Temple is finished, he will walk into the new Temple, and demand worship as God. That is when the eyes of JEWS will be opened, and they will flee to Petra, under the protection of God, where they will be safe until the end of the seven year Tribulation. (Matthew 24:15)(Daniel 8:11-13) (Daniel9:27) (Daniel 11:31) Daniel 12:11) Etc.

Antichrist will use the Arabs to BEHEAD those who will not take the mark of the beast upon their right hand, or in their foreheads (Rev 13:16).

Also, the last one world Government is a continuation of Rome (the legs of iron, and the feet of iron and clay), the 4th one world government that fell from within.[/color][/b]

In Daniel 2 we read the following: “This image’s head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, his legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.” (Daniel 2:32-33)

However, the stone, made without hands, Jesus Christ, will destroy this image, this beast, and break it into many pieces:

Daniel 2:34-35
34. Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35. Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

I realize that Islam was not a factor when Nebuchadnezzar dreamed his dream because they were not even establised until 661 AD. However, God knows the end from the beginning, and knows all things.

There is no division between the legs of iron, and the feet of iron and clay. Rome is/was represented by the iron, and the strongest of all the metals referred to in the dream. The feet of Iron and Clay are a weaker continuation of the Rome. However, the Iron and Clay will rule more of the World during Antichrist's 7 year rule than Rome did during their 2,800 years of rule.

The history of Rome:
The history of Rome spans 2,800 years of the existence of a city that grew from a small Italian village in the 9th century BC into the center of a vast civilization that dominated the Mediterranean region for centuries. Its political power was eventually replaced by that of peoples of mostly Germanic origin, marking the beginning of the Middle Ages. Rome became the seat of the Roman Catholic Church and the home of a sovereign state, the Vatican City, within its walls. Today it is the capital of Italy.

The traditional date for the founding of Rome, based on a mythological account, is April 21, 753 BC, and the city and surrounding region of Latium has continued to be inhabited with little interruption since around that time.

Sincerely,

Walter

nearthecross wrote:
Two other websites on this topic that have been most helpful:

[url=http://profoundprophecy.com/]Profound Prophecy[/url]

[url=http://www.beastfromtheeast.org/]The Beast from the East[/url]

Since I started this thread I want to remind everyone on my position.

I've studied this for about 25 years so I'm not a newbie to the subject. I personaly do not know "EXACTLY" who or of what type the antichrist will be. I see merit in a few of the main teachings on it. I see merit in this Islamic antichrist theory,thats why I posted it. So I'm not putting this thread up as dogmatic on the subject.

Prophecy type study to me is very important however not as important as the great commission.
God bless.

lysa, I'm not answering for natan4 but I will say this.

Some christians will be in the rural areas in hiding ,"if necessary". Others will be in the cities as well spreading the word. I see the great trib as only about 3 1/2 years so there may be alot happening in that short time. Amixture of hiding as well as going forth. Thats just my take on it for what it's worth.

Dear soujorner7:

Specific Prophecy has been given to us by God, through the power of the Holy Spirit to the Prophets and the Apostles, as well as through the Words of Jesus Christ.

The non-believing Jews will all enter the Great Tribulation. It is a period of time designed for them, as well as all gentiles (and muslims are included) that hate God, and His Son, Jesus Christ, and will not accept His payment for their sin.

After Antichrist walks into the Temple and demands worship the Jews eyes will be opened, and at that point in time they will FLEE TO THE MOUNTAINS.

Mark 13:14
"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,)[u] then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:[/u]"

Then, at the end of the Tribulation, they (the Jews) will be looking forward to seeing their real Messiah, Jesus Christ, not the counterfeit--the Anti-Christ, Satan (the deceiver), who they thought was their Political Messiah!

"seek him who they have pierced"

Zechariah 12:10-14
10. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications:[b] and they shall look upon ME WHO THEY HAVE PIERCED, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. 12. And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; 13. The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; 14. All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

Hosea 5:15
15. I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

[color=990000]There is no place in God's Word for a muslim Messiah. It is all about the Jews, just like the millenium, the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ on this earth, that has been promised to the Jews.[/color]

All of those Jews, that understood the abomination of desolation, as prophesized by Daniel, and fled to the moutains, will be protected during the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation. These people, the Jews, as well as non-Jews that are still alive at the end of the Tribulation, and believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, will enter the Millenium reign of Jesus Christ in their bodies of flesh and blood. They will have billions of Children during this 1,000 year reign of peace on earth. Those Children are like our children. Some believe, and some do not.

Christ will let Satan loose out of the bottomless pit one last time, at the end of the 1,000 years, to deceive the nations, to test the people. Who really believe, and who do not. Those that do not believe will follow Satan against Christ at Armageddon, and Christ will kill them all by the words of His mouth.

[color=990000]Where in Scripture can you find any justification that Anti-Christ will be a Muslim? No where, that is where. Anti-Christ will deceive and use the God hating, Christ hating Muslims to do his work, to chop off the heads of those that oppose him.

Today, right now, there is such tremendous deceit in the World. The Church is falling away before our very eyes, and the winds of "doctrine" (Bible Teaching)is being perverted by Satan, who is "the Prince of the power of the air", "the god of all lies"; "the author of confusion", and "the prince of this world"

Without Scripture to support your thesis (that Antichrist is Muslim), you have allowed yourself to be deceived by Satan, who still, at this very moment, has access to the thoughts and the minds of everyone, even Bible believing Christians. We must have Scripture, Bible Scripture, to support our positions, to support our hypothesis on any issue.[/color][/b]

Also, souljourner, you stated the following:

[b]Until this "iman" declares himself to be the "true" Messiah and declares a jihad to destroy Israel!! And where he will be revealed {the Dome of the Rock} is the very place that Israel wants to build their next temple!!

[color=990000][b]Actually soujourner7, I recently heard about recent research that shows that the Dome of the Rock is not located in the same place that King Solomons Temple was located:[/color][/b]

[b]Here is the Link:[/b]

[url=http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2008/temple.html]New Proposed Location for King Solomons Temple[/url]

New Proposed Location for Solomon's Temple
by John P. Pratt, V. Garth Norman, Lance Harding, and Jason Jones

Reprinted from Meridian Magazine (15 Aug 2008).
©2008 by John P. Pratt. All rights Reserved.

Index, Home

Contents 1. Historical Background
1.1 Dome of the Rock
1.2 Dome of the Tablets
1.3 Astronomical Orientation
2. New Proposed Location
2.1 Solomon's Temple
2.2 Formerly Proposed Locations
2.3 Central Axis
2.4 Drainage Channels
2.5 Cisterns
2.6 Pillar Base
2.7 More Research Necessary
3. Conclusion
Notes
Newly discovered evidence indicates possible original location of Solomon's temple.

Exactly where was Solomon's temple located? Virtually all investigators agree that it was on the Temple Mount Platform in Jerusalem, but its precise location has been in question.

The magnificent Dome of the Rock This article proposes a new location on that platform, where no building presently exists. If correct, then Solomon's temple could be restored without affecting the magnificent Muslim mosque, the Dome of the Rock, which is situated where most scholars believe Solomon's temple had stood.

The evidence presented here was discovered by our team who were sent to Jerusalem last April to research the Temple Mount and surrounding area. Team lead Garth Norman is a professional archaeologist with decades of expertise in archaeoastronomy, Lance Harding is an expert in structural design comparitive study of temples, Jason Jones was our field work engineer and facilitator, having previously lived in Jerusalem, and John Pratt is an astronomer specializing in ancient sacred calendars. The research funding was arranged by Vern Swanson.[1]

1. Historical Background
King David, the father of Solomon, was commanded by the seer Gad to build an altar to the Lord on the threshing floor of Araunah, the Jebusite. David purchased the site and obeyed (2 Samuel 24:11-25). David himself was not allowed to build the temple, but was told that his son Solomon would accomplish that great task (1 Kings 5:5). The magnificent temple was seven years in construction and was finished in King Solomon's eleventh year of reign (1 Kings 6:38).

All tradition and evidence indicate that Solomon's Temple was built at or near David's Altar, atop the hill formerly known to Abraham as Mount Moriah. It is believed that it was the location of Abraham's offering of his son as a sacrifice (Gen. 22:2), and hence the mount is sacred to all believers in Abraham, including Muslims, Hebrews and Christians. The Temple Platform is located near the southeast corner of the old walled city of Jerusalem.

Solomon's Temple Solomon's Temple was built during the tenth century BC [2] and lasted until it was destroyed in 587 BC by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He took into captivity those of the Kingdom of Judah who were not slain or scattered, where they remained until the Persians conquered his kingdom.

Solomon's Temple Soon after the victory of Cyrus of Persia, the Jews were allowed to return to their country, to rebuild their temple and to worship there. The temple was reconstructed (presumably in the same location) and is generally referred to as the "Second Temple." It was desecrated by the Greeks in the third century BC, but then recaptured by the Jews in the second century. Its rededication at that time is celebrated as Hanukkah each year. It remained essentially intact until the time of King Herod, who took it upon himself to expand it in the first century BC by more than doubling its size, adding two more pillars in front (for a total of four), and also by increasing the size of the Temple Mount itself.

Titus of Rome destroyed Herod's temple in AD 70 so thoroughly that not one stone was left upon another, thus fulfilling the Savior's prophecy (Mat. 24:2).[3] That is what has made it so difficult to locate its precise position on the mount. Rome then erected a temple to Jupiter on the mount, symbolizing the superiority of their pagan gods to the Jewish. It in turn was removed when Christianity was adopted as the official religion of the Roman empire in the fourth century AD. Rather than erect a Christian shrine there, the Romans then allowed the mount to become a garbage dump.

1.1 Dome of the Rock

Pratt, Harding and Norman on the Temple Mount near stairs to Temple Platform. The religion of Islam was born in the seventh century AD. Soon afterward, when the Muslims conquered Jerusalem, it was their desire to mark the location where their progenitor Abraham had offered his first born son as a sacrifice. Moreover, it was important in the life of their prophet Mohammed. They restored (and perhaps extended or modified) the original flat area on the Mount called the Temple Platform. They built a magnificent shrine there over the rock which is the highest point on the mount. Hence that mosque today is known as the Dome of the Rock. The structure is a marvel and has stood there since AD 691.[4] Humanity owes a great debt of gratitude to the Muslims from having preserved this site until today. Some archaeologists may complain that they would like to have dug it all up, but many are very grateful that the site has been so well preserved. It is generally believed today that the Holy of Holies in Solomon's temple was indeed located around the Rock. Leen Ritmeyer is the foremost proponent of this interpretation.[5]

Note, however, that the Muslims were concerned about preserving Abraham's sacred Rock altar on Mount Moriah. The Rock may also have been preserved by Solomon to be the altar site for his temple, located southeast of the temple, rather than marking the location of the temple itself.

1.2 Dome of the Tablets

Fig. 1. The Dome of the Tablets (foreground) and Dome of Rock (background) Although at least a dozen other locations for the temple have been proposed, today the principal second choice is the Dome of Tablets located near the northwest corner of the Temple Platform (see Fig. 1). This dome marks the location of a hundred square foot patch of what appears to be very flat original bedrock, which is at the level of the entire Temple Platform except for the highest point of the Rock (see Fig. 2). Prof. Asher Kaufman has proposed that it is indeed bedrock and marks the Holy of Holies of Solomon's temple.[6] If so, then a future Jewish Temple (the Third Temple)[7] could be constructed there without interfering with the mosque at the Dome of the Rock.

1.3 Astronomical Orientation
One argument for both of the Dome of the Rock and the Dome of the Tablets has to do with astronomy. When one looks at the long thin layout of Solomon's temple, the astronomer is struck by the fact that it would be perfect for letting the light of the rising morning sun (or moon, planet, or star) shine down its corridors and enter the Holy of Holies on certain sacred occasions.

Fig. 2. Is the Dome of the Tablets Floor bedrock? The current Temple Platform is not oriented due east, nor does the east wall of the city run exactly north and south. The latter is a nearly straight line directed some 6 degrees west of north. The Dome of the Rock has the claim to fame that a line drawn from the Rock perpendicular to the east wall, points nearly exactly to the summit of the Mount of Olives, whose peak is some 4 degrees above the Temple Platform's horizon. This alignment suggests that sacred events might have included the sun rising over the high point of the Mount of Olives and shining down the axis of the temple into the Holy of Holies. Thus Ritmeyer believes that Solomon's temple did not face due east, but rather some 6 degrees north of east to the summit of the Mount of Olives.

Fig. 3. Dome of Tablets at sunrise from the peak of the Mount of Olives. The astronomical claim of the Dome of the Tablets is that if the Holy of Holies were located there and if the temple axis did face exactly due east, then that axis also would point directly to the summit of the Mount of Olives. Thus both proposed locations are tied directly to astronomical orientation to the high point of the Mount of Olives.

Is there any reason to think that the orientation to the Mount of Olives was important? Indeed there is. While there is not much on record about looking from the temple toward the mount, there was a very important ceremony where a priest looked in the opposite direction, from the mount back to the temple. The sacred ceremony was the sacrificial offering of the Red Heifer which was done at a location on the Mount of Olives east of the temple such that when the temple doors were opened the priest would be to be able to see the veil which covered the Holy of Holies. He was said to stand "on top the Mount of Olives" at that time.[8]

Fig. 3 shows the Dome of the Tablets at sunrise on Sat 5 Apr 2008, as seen from very near the peak of the Mount of Olives (from the roof of the Mount of Olives Restaurant, across the street from the Church of the Ascension, said to be located at the peak). Because we were not allowed on the Temple Mount at sunrise to see the sun rise over the Mount of Olives, we felt the next best thing would be to look the opposite direction, from the peak toward the temple. Thus, this picture shows a view similar to what the priest offering the Red Heifer might have seen.

2. New Proposed Location
Our research objectives included several points concerning the Temple Mount and the Mount of Olives. In particular the purpose was to examine certain points of Asher Kaufmann's theory and an extension thereof by Vern Swanson. During that research our team discovered what appears to be significant evidence strong enough to propose yet another location on the Temple Platform for Solomon's temple. Before presenting that evidence, let us briefly summarize some of the key things known about that temple.

2.1 Solomon's Temple

Fig. 4. Floor plan of Solomon's Temple The temple of Solomon had a tall front (30 cubits), and was 20 cubits wide by 60 cubits long (1 Kings 6:2). The most sacred room, called the Holy of Holies, a cube 20 cubits on a side located at the rear of the temple. There were two brass pillars in the front which were even named ("Boaz" on the left and "Jachin" on the right, see Fig. 4). These pillars were 18 cubits tall (1 Kings 7:15, 21). The temple faced eastwardly and was on a platform which was said to be 500 cubits square. Most scholars are in agreement that the east wall of the square is identical with the east wall of the city, and it is not pointing due north, but about 6 degrees west of north.

Another point worth noting is that many pictures of Solomon's Temple show it raised up above the platform, as do both of the pictures at the beginning of this article. There is no scriptural basis for that assumption. It is usually made because it has been believed that the temple was situated at the Rock, which would mean that the temple would have to be raised to fit the top of the Rock into the Holy of Holies. Another common idea is that the Holy of Holies itself was raised above the level of the front of the temple for the same reason. Neither assumption finds scriptural support.

Fig. 5. Drainage channel (outside Solomon's temple) was within Herod's expanded temple. Another important detail is that there were drainage channels on either side to allow rain water to be saved in cisterns beneath the platform floor. When Herod enlarged the temple he increased its dimensions, such that the drainage channels were inside of the larger structure (see Fig. 5).

2.2 Formerly Proposed Locations
At least twenty locations have been proposed for Solomon's temple. Each was proposed for a different reason to solve different problems and explain various pieces of evidence. A good review of the evidence for each is given in Ritmeyer's book.[9] After having reviewed them all, the authors of this article have not found where their new proposed location has been suggested before. Thus we now present evidence for yet another proposed location.

Sincerley,

Walter

sojourner7 wrote:
Walter, the Muslims are also looking for a
"Promised One" or "Messiah." They even accept
that Jesus was a prophet but do not believe
he went to the cross to suffer and die for
them. When one of their imans {holy men}
rises up and says that all Muslims must live
together and work for peace; for a time there
will appear to be peace in the Middle East.
Until this "iman" declares himself to be the
"true" Messiah and declares a jihad to destroy
Israel!! And where he will be revealed {the Dome
of the Rock} is the very place that Israel wants
to build their next temple!! :-?

I have finally purchased the new book,

'The Islamic Antichrist,' by Joel Richardson.

I highly recommend everyone at least read it. Even if you don't fully agree with all the conclusions you will come away very informed.

Anyone who has read or will read in future I would like to hear your thoughts on this book.
Thanks, John

I have finished reading the book.

I firmly believe that EVERYONE needs to read this book.

The information is vital to the body.
I wonder how many will take the time to get this book and read it?

Has anyone at least purchased this book or going to purchase it? If so please post an update. I am looking forward to hearing peoples response to this book, The Islamic Antichrist by Joel Richardson....(note this is not Joel Rosenberg)

Well Elharris you have said quite abit. Time will tell.

So it's been a few weeks now, so has anyone gotten this book and read it yet??

Here is a link to Joel Richardson blog where you can also see the book , "The Islamic Antichrist"

http://www.joels-trumpet.com/

Again looking forward to hearing from anyone who has actuallty read this book.

Currently watching CSpan with testimony/investigation on islamic jihad in America etc.

This reminded me of my previous question. So I will ask it again.

Has anyone purchased and read this book yet?

It is also possible that it is available at your local library.

Well for those who do read books in additon to the bible I highly recommend this book.

Joel is a former Muslim. In one part of the book he discuss our attitude and aproach to muslims. He also discuss the reality of martrydom and how to be at peace with what may come.

Again hoping someone in the SI family will have given this book a read and when you do let me know your thoughts.
God bless

elharris said:

Again this was the same thing John was saying here:

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: [b]and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, [B]EVEN NOW ARE THERE MANY ANTICHRISTS;[/B] whereby we know that it is the last time.

And next he tell you where they came from.

19 [b]They went out from us,[/b] but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: [b]but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.[/b]

So when they were told to leave, becasue they would not give up their heresies. What did they do? They went out preaching "CHRIST" and coming in his "name", saying Jesus was the Christ, BUT teaching ANOTHER GOSPEL.

AND they have continued right on up to our day doing this very thing.

Remember what Paul told the Corinthians when he warned them of another Jesus, another gospel, and another spirit?

1 Cor 11:1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: [b] I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.[/b]

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity (single one way only) that is in Christ.

What happens when you are presented as a chaiste virgin to Christ? You are taught the TRUTH. When that truth become CORRUPTED, you are no longer a chaiste virgin, but a HARLOT. WHY? Because you have received ANOTHER JESUS, by receiving another gospel. And when you have received another gospel you also receive another spirit, which is a DEVIL or deceiving spirit.

Hence you are filled with a deceiving spririt, also called a spirit of whoredom and a spirit of slumber.

I hate to say, this but this was already taking place 2000 years ago. The gospel that 99.999999% that most churches and individuals know and teach today, is not the one Jesus and the apostles taught, but is inherited from the very ones that "went out", were asked to leave, that began heresies clear back in the first century.

This guy that is coming along now and teaching that the antichrist is Islam et. does not really know the Bible. It was EASY for Satan to set up Islam to look like what Christianity would like the antichrist to be, because Christianity wants it to be everythig but what it really is. Because the antichrist is THEM.

I personally was originally indoctrinated with a false gospel, the gospel of the antichrist harlot church. I was a true believer, but "born" in Babylon. Now I am headed back to Jerusalem, to build the wall (figuritivly). Seeking and searching the Word of truth. Getting rid of all false teachings, and coming to a knowledge of the truth.

Hope you all do the same, and I know that God is working in people I see it here. But I also see that "other guy" here too.

WOW