Okay, I'm starting to get more into this revival thing [laughs]. Kind of ironic since like, well, that's pretty much what this site is all about. But something dawned on me this weekend concerning revival (you know, like a light bulb being turned on in my head?)... and that is what has led me to start this topic "Has There Been Recent Revivals?" So what do you guys think? In your/our lifetime, have we seen any revivals and do we still see the fruit of them today?
Has There Been Recent Revivals?
Sister Yodi you wrote;Quote;But something dawned on me this weekend concerning revival (you know, like a light bulb being turned on in my head?)Will you please share with us what dawned on you re: Revival?
[laughs] I need some feedback first. I need you guys to tell me what you think the last revivals were. So... Rahman, since you were the first to... well, [laughs] sort of reply, just a simple yes or no and maybe an explanation of whether or not we've/you've seen/heard of any recent revival(s), meaning, let's say 1900's to now.
Do I interfere at the beginning of a thread like this by asking for a definition of the word ”revival” to be used as a foundation and a measuring rod for what to talk about?Lars W.
Sister Yodi, i personally have never seen a revival in the capacity that i've read about like the Welsh Revival, etc, on SI ... But according to brother Orr the last revival to visit America was in the early 50's, of which the likes of Oral Roberts was a part of, and brother Orr said that revival sputtered and ended in disaster ... i have to say that the closest i've been to actually seeing the Holy Spirit move in a capacity i've not seen since was in a service 20 years ago, in which He spoke a word to me about His coming "final" Revival ... It's funny that you should post this subject today for over the weekend our Lord has really been impressing on me to not be afraid to tell what He told me 20 years ago about His coming final Revival, and where it will begin, and so i have started to do just that to every saint i know, and will post it on SI ...Seems to me He's about to bring to pass my 20 year burden, or i'm about to be proved one self deluded saint ... i pray for the former, and hope to God it's not the latter, but either outcome will be freeing to me, as my Christian experience has certainly not been ordinary, in the sense of comparative experience of other saints i know ...Hope this qualifies as a reply, because i'm most interested on what's dawned on you!PS - To me a REVIVAL is a direct movement and work of the Holy Ghost by Himself, and thru men, in which Christ is lifted up in such a divine and supernatural manner that both saved and unsaved alike are convicted to subsequent repentance, and the walk and talk of that experience ... It's not a flash in the pan type movement, but one that gains momentum like the brush fires of California ... Revival to me is re-ignition of Pentecost, and is all about the sweeping of souls, in this case the remaining souls, into the Body of Jesus Christ.
Rahman,Why did you put your definition on revival as a PS at the end.It is worth much more than so!I insist on a clear definition simply because of the many "flash in the pan type movements".Lars"To me a REVIVAL is a direct movement and work of the Holy Ghost by Himself, and thru men, in which Christ is lifted up in such a divine and supernatural manner that both saved and unsaved alike are convicted to subsequent repentance, and the walk and talk of that experience ... It's not a flash in the pan type movement, but one that gains momentum like the brush fires of California ... Revival to me is re-ignition of Pentecost, and is all about the sweeping of souls, in this case the remaining souls, into the Body of Jesus Christ."
i'm sorry brother Lars, i did that because i was answering sister Yodi, hit refresh, and saw you're post, so my PS was in quick response ... i should have adressed you as such, so please accept my apology ... '0) ... Amen?
Dear brother,I was not after an answer necessarily pointing back at me.I only wanted to get a fairly straigt line from the beginning - and I liked your short definition.Lars
Clearly it is the saints, not the sinners, that are primarily involved in revival. The quickening of the saints is the root, while the saving of the sinners is the fruit. Therefore, to see the primary effects of revival we must look at the church. Isaiah sounded a reveille call to the people of God in the familiar words, “Awake, awake, put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city” (52:1). Revival marks the awakening of the church; indeed such a time is commonly termed “an awakening”. When asleep one is out of touch with the world of reality. The church asleep is out of touch with the world of spiritual reality, and needs to be awakened. “Awake, awake, put on thy strength, O Zion.” Asleep, the church of Christ is impotent; awakened, she clothes herself with spiritual strength. The power that began to flow at Pentecost is inexhaustible, and is as much available now as then, but only an awakened church can claim her birthright and go forth “clothed with power from on high” (Luke 24:49).No one can deny that the people of God today are largely denuded of this power. It is a characteristic effect of revival that Zion puts on her strength. It is doubtful if the power is ever renewed in a widespread manner save in times of revival. Arthur Wallis In the Day of Thy PowerWe have not seen anything like this in the Scandinavian countries during the last 100 years.Local interventions have occurred, but without lasting impression.Lars
Brother Lars you posted;Quote;Clearly it is the saints, not the sinners, that are primarily involved in revival. The quickening of the saints is the root, while the saving of the sinners is the fruit. Amen to this statement, which i'm keeping and using! ...Ok sister Yodi, If we're all in agreement with the standard and definition of REVIVAL set forth by brother Lars post as our bearing for this discussion, then please share .... "What has just dawned on you about revival"?
and that is what has led me to start this topic "Has There Been Recent Revivals?" So what do you guys think? In your/our lifetime, have we seen any revivals and do we still see the fruit of them today?Great question sister yolanda! Its a great ideal and principle to think upon the reviving of the church and the impact of Gods spirit on the earth in different times and ages. 1901 - Azuza Street Revival (william seymour)1904 - Welsh Revival (evan roberts)1905 - Sialkot convention Revival (john hyde)1950's - Hebrides Revival (duncan campbell)1980's - Canadian Revival in saskatoon (bill mcleod)Those are some major movements of God in the last hundred years, I have missed a few but sadly after the 80's there has really been no major moving of God's spirit. I could be argued there has been no national revival for the last 50-100 years. Theres seems to be such a spiritual declension amongst the church across america and canada that revival is sorely needed to get the spiritual awareness and reality back to normal. Revival is just the church being the church, in the truest sense of the word. Charles Finney taught that God uses revivals to continue the churches grow and progress and therefore no revival's no progress and growth. We are doing more for God and there is plently of knoweldge of God but there is bareness. We lack power and lack reality we need to get back to the essentials of the faith and let them grip us anew. What was a pre-cursor to the welsh revival was a resuregence of the 'preaching of the cross' and its reality and depth.
J. Edwin Orr produced many books on Revivals.To get an overview of the twentieth century as to revivals, the following items are recommended:The flaming tongue, the impact of Twentieth Century RevivalsEvangelical Awakenings, a five book set, covering Eastern Asia, Southern Asia, Africa, Greater Oceania and Latin America.Lars
I went to the download section at this site and found 70 audio and video recordings of J. Edwin Orr's precious insights into this subject.Highly recommended.Lars
First off, I would have to agree to the simple definition of revival being the moving of the Holy Spirit.I was blind to the fact that there were even any recent revivals because, well, they happened a few decades before I was born, BUT, what dawned on me this weekend is the church I go to and a lot of the Christians I know here in Southern California were in one way or another touched by the Holy Spirit's moving through Billy Graham http://www.billygraham.org/Biographies_Index.asp and Chuck Smith.When Billy Graham came into San Diego the summer of 2003, do you know how many people said they were saved at one of his crusades? I had no idea God had touched so many lives through him. Many of the pastors and leaders in our church are the fruit of those crusades.And Chuck Smith... how could I forget the history of my church, Calvary Chapel http://www.calvarychapel.com/costamesa/ (see "About Us")?! Ever heard of the whole Jesus people movement http://www.one-way.org/jesusmovement/index.html? There's church revival for you!Now... I know that we come from many denominational backgrounds on here and maybe, well, these revivals don't count to you. But having grown up in Horizon, Maranatha, Calvary Chapel Escondido and even having attended Calvary Chapel Kyiv in the Ukraine this past summer, I now know how real these Spirit led, historical events were. And when Billy Graham came to San Diego the summer of 2003, I finally got to hear, in our very own stadium, the simplicty of the Gospel message and his heart for the lost, and got to be apart of the counseling training beforehand.So... I don't know, this encouraged me, realizing that, duh, I'm living in the midst of the fruits of revival! I'm sure... the same is not true for many of you. So I do hope you see your revivals. I hope many more churches will wake up and that the Holy Spirit will continue to move across this world. And in the meantime, may God open our eyes to His everpresent, faithful work! May revival start in our own heart and spread!P.S. Oops! Didn't see your post there Greg! True - agree with your definition too; the church being the church. Thanks for your input - didn't know about those revivals!
Sister Yodi you posted;Quote;When Billy Graham came into San Diego the summer of 2003, do you know how many people said they were saved at one of his crusades? I had no idea God had touched so many lives through him. Many of the pastors and leaders in our church are the fruit of those crusades.And Chuck Smith... how could I forget the history of my church, Calvary Chapel. Ever heard of the whole Jesus people movement. There's church revival for you!i've noted as of recent some other men of God taking a few pot shots at Billy Graham, but i for one have nothing negative to say about him ... Every time i've watched anything that had to do with Billy Graham i always sensed the presence of the Holy Ghost, and the love of Christ, and i praise God that in these times of fallen preachers, teachers, evangelist, etc., that Billy is still standing ... Yes there is evidence of lots of fruit via Billy Graham ... And i'm very well aware of Calvary Chapel, Chuck Smith, and there used to be a Hispanic brother from there that i used to listen to many moons ago on WZZD, christian radio ... Calvary Chapel broadcast were part of my formative years as a baby/young Christian, and let me throw this in while i'm going back down memory lane ... i remember way back, in about 1981, when i heard the Spirit say to me, "Whatever you do, don't stop listening to Charles Stanley", and i haven't ... He's another straight arrow in God's quiver that gives practical, everyday instructions of employing God, via His Word, into our lives ...You also wrote;Quote;So... I don't know, this encouraged me, realizing that, duh, I'm living in the midst of the fruits of revival! I'm sure... the same is not true for many of you. So I do hope you see your revivals. I hope many more churches will wake up and that the Holy Spirit will continue to move across this world. And in the meantime, may God open our eyes to His everpresent, faithful work! May revival start in our own heart and spread!The revival(s) you've mentioned are i'm sure the work of the Holy Spirit, but the one He's impressed on me can never be concidered "your revival", or "my revival", in any sense of seperateness ... When the revival comes that i hear and sense the Holy Ghost impressing on me, it will unmistakably be "OUR - REVIVAL" ... A fire ignited that will spread like gangbusters, with like consequences everywhere it ignites ... i'm talking a national/international engulphing of revival that will put the Welsh and Azusa street revivals to shame ... i've seen local church movements of so called revival that start up, intensify, and then sputter out like a small meteorite, but the type of revival i'm talking about is more like a massive meteor with enough mass to burn thru satan's atmosphere and hit the hearts and minds of men with devestating conviction of sin ... The small types of revival any of us moderns may have seen have been more like localized tornadoes that hit and skip and hop around causing some effects of devestation to sin, but the revival i'm talking about in comparrison to a quick localized tornado is more like the recent 80 mile wide slow moving hurricane Frances that'll dump on us His latter rain to flood stage ...In all the histories that i've read regarding great revivals they've all come out of collective prayer, amongst saints from many denominations, who all realized that they were in dire need of, as brother Lars so concisely pointed out, a real "awakening" from God Himself!i believe that "awakening" to be immenient, earth shattering, and when it hits two things will be very clear to us ...#1 - That we've had no idea of what "revival" truly is.#2 - But that we'll instantly know it's real revival when it hits us ...i can't wait!
And Chuck Smith... how could I forget the history of my church, Calvary Chapel http://www.calvarychapel.com/costamesa/ (see "About Us")?! Ever heard of the whole Jesus people movement http://www.one-way.org/jesusmovement/index.html? There's church revival for you!One thing that I feel is necessary to understand is there is a difference between revival and evangelism.Leonard Ravenhill shares this on the topic: think that one of the offenses of revival, in the historic sense, is that it cannot be organized. As Doctor Tozer said, "When revival comes it changes the moral climate of a community." You can have revival that covers a church -- Spurgeon had that.You can have a revival that covers a city.You can have a revival that covers the whole nation -- and I am thinking in this context more than in the other contexts (though sometimes revival spreads from here to there -- like fire spreads.) Revival cannot be organized -- evangelism can be organized.Revival cannot be subsidized -- evangelism can and usually it must be.Revival cannot be advertised -- evangelism can.It may cost millions of dollars, as it often does, to have one of our huge,modern, so called revivals. You have to pay vast sums of moneyfor time on TV, for example -- perhaps a million dollars a night.That's incredible, that's unthinkable to me inthe context of Biblical revival, or even historical revival---Here is the audio piece where ravenhill talks about revival and says the above quote: Revival Lectures Series - Short by Leonard Ravenhill - its very short and worth the listen.I think you are defently onto something Yolanda, there are revivals in mens hearts that start churches and denominations. For instance John Wesley and the methodist denomination or Chuck Smith as you said and the Calvary Chapel denomination. This isnt revival in the full sense of the word but God is definetly doing a work that is getting nearer to the apostolic genuine article. "Revival" in the truest sense closes up shops and has an effect on the moral climate of the city and country.#1 - That we've had no idea of what "revival" truly is.Brother Rahman I believe we have to know what it is and what the genuine moving of Gods spirit is. We see it in Acts where Revival was constant to the brim, the church WAS the CHURCH in every sense of the word. God was working on behalf of men in a powerful way because men knew God.
I don't know how many of you read NO Compromise by Keith Green, but I still feel such a sense of "let down" that when Keith went to minister at oral Roberts Univ.(and He felt sure that the Lord wanted a revival to start there) that the work of the Holy Spirit was quenched by people "in charge" so as to keep some order. Here were all of these kids weeping and publically confessing their deepest sins and it would have continued- but man got in the way. I see that people get afraid that things won't be controlled. It is really too bad. My heart broke for that moment.I recommend "No Compromise" to anyone who hasn't read it yet. It's the fastest book my husband ever read! :-) In Him, Chanin
Okay, okay... I see what you're saying Greg. So then... I think Billy Graham would be an evangelist and Chuck Smith one of the leaders of revival, back in the 60's & 70's. I think the Jesus Movement was a revival and organized religion wouldn't open their doors to these kinds of people. So... at first, I do think this Calvary Chapel "revival" was... a revival. Yes, it's organized into a church now...[laughs] Okay, nevermind. I know nothing! [laughs] Just kidding. My elementary, simple, feminine mind! I don't have to be right! [laughs]I am becoming more and more open to this revival thing. Need to learn more about it, and most of all, it's something God needs to speak to my heart and the Holy Spirit needs to open my understanding to.I don't know if this falls in the category of revival in the big sense, but as far as in my heart, this weekend God spoke to me a lot about living by a higher standard and being a good example to the rest of the body of Christ (from Ezekiel 8:7-13). That's expected of any Christian, I'm sure, but it was especially pressed on my heart since I am a part of leadership here at the church. How each of us live our lives in public and in secret WILL affect the WHOLE body of Christ. It's not a position to take lightly. I remember a pastor telling me once, "compromise creates casualties". May my brother's and sister's blood not be found on my hands!
Hi Yodi,My husband & I were part of 'something' that happened in Colorado in the early '80's. In hindsight, it was revival on a small scale. Fred was saved in Denver through diverse people who were all focused on God and His saving power. Some were in Alcoholics Anon., some in organized churches, some just fervent Christians on their own. He and this band of fire-brands were instrumental in bringing dozens of souls into the Kingdom. They did baptisms in Sloan's Lake, church baptismals, wherever.Fred moved 5 hours west, and the Spirit began working there. I was saved, Fred & I got married, and we watched the Lord fill up a little country church with all these people who seemed to come out of the woodwork. Many had tried believing in God but were stuck. The older Christians were blown away to see what was happening. None of us, since that time, have seen anything close to what happened then.It did not last. Arguments over doctrine and interpretation killed it. The love disappeared and so did the Spirit. That church is closed now.I've tasted brief moments like it since, and each time I hope and pray that 'whatever it was' will happen again! When God is waking up all these people around you, and all these connections start coming together, people are getting shook up and asking questions like 'Do you know anything about God?' and you can say 'Yes! Let's look it up' and you have a captive audience as you open your Bible.Each time, something seemed to snuff it out. When men demand control, it dies. When worship leaders demand the spotlight and keep on with the 'music program', it dies. When people demand certain forms of prayer in certain set ways, it dies. When we don't obey the Spirit, but fear men's opinions, it dies.I believe the Spirit is searching for that open-ended meeting, that not-too-structured gathering of heavy-hearted, serious-minded BELIEVERS who have a desire to call on GOD until He answers them! A spirit of solemnity, humility, a constant additude of beseeching prayer and communion with the Lord Jesus.... until He answers. That is the kind of meeting I long to be part of. He has blessed such gatherings in the past.The more you learn of revival, sister Yodi, the more the Lord will break your heart to see this thing in your lifetime!! I must see it; my children must see it. Everyone I know must see it.Church programs, good as they may be, are not cutting it. Christian counselors, good as their advice and care can be, are not enough. Unless we see a move of GOD, see His Hand sweep down from Heaven and do what no man can do, our dusty conversion stories will not be enough for this up-and-coming generation.Many of us have given up. We've tried our best at 'doing' this Christian life and failed miserably. Our older children aren't getting it. Many of us are in a corner and glad to discover the prayer closet like never before. For it's there where the work of beseeching is done. I have not yet seen what I long to see. But I am determined to try everything the revivalists of old have recommended!! Regular prayer times. Fasting. Prayer meetings. Prayer conferences. Spreading the word about revivals of the past through word-of-mouth, books, tracts, print-outs, tapes, whatever!Yours in Revival,Mrs. Fred
Mrs. Fred posted;Quote;It did not last. Arguments over doctrine and interpretation killed it. The love disappeared and so did the Spirit. That church is closed now.Each time, something seemed to snuff it out. When men demand control, it dies. When worship leaders demand the spotlight and keep on with the 'music program', it dies. When people demand certain forms of prayer in certain set ways, it dies. When we don't obey the Spirit, but fear men's opinions, it dies.I believe the Spirit is searching for that open-ended meeting, that not-too-structured gathering of heavy-hearted, serious-minded BELIEVERS who have a desire to call on GOD until He answers them! A spirit of solemnity, humility, a constant additude of beseeching prayer and communion with the Lord Jesus.... until He answers. My comment to your post ... Precisely!God's comment to your post ... Joel, chapters 2 & 3
1901 - Azuza Street Revival (william seymour)Hi GregI think you are a little out with some of your dates. This is not being pedantic, its just that the order of some events is quite significant. The Azuza street movement, I'm not sure I would call this a revival, was more like 1906. There had been contact with the Welsh Revival of 1904 prior to the events at Azuza Street.Frank Bartleman was the recorder of much of this time. His narrative begins with his arrival at Los Angeles on December 22, 1904. On April 8, 1905, he heard F. B. Meyer describe the then awakening in Wales. This stirred him deeply. He commenced to distribute accounts of it by S. B. Shaw and Campbell Morgan. These helped to stir desire and expectancy in many hearts. He and Evan Roberts exchanged some letters. In measure the Los Angeles Movement arose out of the movement in Wales, the more so in that a Los Angeles pastor named Smale had visited Wales and had returned with some quickening.There being in the Churches and Missions but little spiritual liberty, a few earnest people met for prayer in a cottage, 214 Bonnie Brae Street, Los Angeles. On April 9, 1906, a member spoke in tongues. On Sunday morning, April 15, at the New Testament Church, Burbank Hall, a coloured sister spoke in tongues. When these things were noised abroad, the crowds came together. The meetings were removed to 312 Azuza Street. This had been a Methodist Church but was now a lumber store. Enough space was cleared of dirt and debris to lay planks on top of empty nail kegs, to seat possibly thirty persons. They were arranged in a square facing one another.Intense excitement arose, augmented by some temporary concern in souls caused by the mighty earthquake which began on April 19, through which some ten thousand people were killed. The building was soon packed, tongues were frequent, the "heavenly choir" was heard often, men and women flocked in dozens to the "altar," meetings went on continuously, almost round the clock. "Some one might he speaking. Suddenly the Spirit would fall upon the congregation. God himself would give the altar call. Men would fall all over the house, like the slain in battle, or rush for the altar en masse, to seek God"The Hebrides Revival was approx 1948-1952. There was a very limited work of a similar nature in Bradford somewhere around 1952-4.Classic revivals have been marked by acute conviction of sin, in believers and in non-believers. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: (Joh 16:7-8 KJV) This is why I question the Azuza Street as a classic revival, although there was real heart conflict at times.Finney Revivals were also of 'conviction of sin' events. The 1859, 1904 Welsh Revivals and the 1948-52 Hebrides revival and the smaller Bradford events were certainly of this kind.I have talked with people who experienced the 1904 Welsh Revival and the 1952 Bradford move.
Brother Ron you wrote;Quote;This is why I question the Azuza Street as a classic revival, although there was real heart conflict at times.i don't know if the Azusa St. Revival was one unto itself, or an offshoot of the Welsh Revival ... Either way, to me, it was God doing His thing, and man did it sound exciting ... i don't know very many folk these days truly excited by or about God ...Anyhow i just wanted to share with you (and the others) what God did with a young black southern Baptist preacher who heard about Azusa St, went there, ((( edited out because of historical correction from brother Ron ))) was blessed by God and used to pioneer the Holiness/Pentecostal movement amongst American African saints that under Bishop Mason's spiritual and apostolic direction has grown from ten congregations in 1907, to the second largest Pentecostal group in America. The membership of the Church of God in Christ (COGIC) grew from three million in 1973 to an estimated eight million in 1997 ... Not bad for a movement coming out of a non "classic" revival huh? ... '0)While i don't believe in denomonations myself, a COGIC is where our Lord chose to send me, and while the old saints tell me the COGIC ain't what she used to be, i'm telling them to just hold on, because she's about to become even better than they remember!If anyone's interested, it's a fascinating history of what God can do with one implacable man, who against all odd refuses to waver in the vision he believes he has from God ...BIO & HISTORY OF BISHOP C.H. MASON& THE CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRISThttp://pages.ivillage.com/pentecostalcathedral/id5.htmlhttp://www.cogic.org/history.htmexcerpt;Mason was licensed and ordained in 1891 at Preston, Arkansas, but held back from full-time ministry to marry Alice Saxton, the beautiful daughter of his mother’s closest friend. To his greatest disappointment and distress, his wife bitterly opposed his ministerial plans. She divorced him after two years of marriage and later remarried. However, Mason refused to marry as long as Mrs. Alice Saxton-Mason lived.PS - Brother Ron there are at least two COGIC's in your neck of the woods, you can find them at the bottom of the directory;CHURCH OF GOD IN CHRIST DIRECTORYhttp://www.arrowweb.com/klcogic/cogicdir.htm
Anyhow i just wanted to share with you (and the others) what God did with a young black southern Baptist preacher who heard about Azusa St, went there, and even though having to remain outside of those meetings looking/listening in because of his raceThe Azuza Street meetings were under the care of William J Seymour, a black second-blessing holiness preacher.
Thanks Brother Ron ...for that clarification ... hmmmmm ... now i've got to go back and correct my post, and research what early American African preacher i read about who had to sit outside the meetings to learn ... But please don't let my faux pas overshadow my bigger point ..."Not to bad results from a non "classical" revival ... huh?And now that i think of it ... Can you explain to me what the difference is between a classical, and non classical revival?As they say here in the States, "Inquiring minds want to know".
Brother Ron your historical accumen is most amazing!Thanks to you i've now got the story straight ... It was brother Seymour, under Charles Parham, who had to sit outside the classroom (because of segregation laws) to learn ...Quote;"Because of the strict segregation laws of the times, Seymour was forced to sit outside the class room in the hall way. The humble servant of God bore the injustice with grace. Seymour must have been a man of keen intellect. In just a few weeks, he became familiar enough with Parham's teaching that he could teach it himself. Seymour ....."http://www.azusastreet.org/wst_page2.htmlPictures from Azusa Sthttp://azusa-laof.org/azusa/azusa_pages/azusa_pictures.htmAnd i'm most serious about wanting to know the definition between "classical" and "non-classical" revival ... Please share?
"Because of the strict segregation laws of the times, Seymour was forced to sit outside the class room in the hall way. The humble servant of God bore the injustice with grace. Seymour must have been a man of keen intellect. In just a few weeks, he became familiar enough with Parham's teaching that he could teach it himself. Seymour ....."Parham and his Topeka Bible School were really a fundamental aspect of the Pentecostal movement. It was at this school that they resolved to find an answer to the question 'what is THE initial evidence of the Baptism in the Spirit?'. Ask a silly question, and you will get a silly answer. The question, of course, presumed that there was a single absolute proof of the baptism in the Spirit. Working on the basis of the Acts alone they concluded that probability 'proved' that 3 out of 5 instances were accompanied by tongues, 4 out of 5 evidenced tongues at some point (as most likely at the baptism) and 5 out of 5 instances evidenced some tangible evidence (and most likely tongues). They also concluded that the events in the home of Cornelius showed that speaking with tongues proved the fact of the baptism in the Spirit, rather than realising that in this particular case speaking with tongues was evidence to reluctant Jewish converts that God had included the Gentiles in His plan of salvation.Seymour was obviously convinced by the teaching he heard. These first Pentecostals were Second Blessing Holiness people who previously referred to their experience of entire sanctification as 'baptism in the spirit'. Subsequent to the events in Azuza Street they now had two experiences with a single description; baptism in the Spirit. They decided the culminating experience which had been accompanied by speaking with tongues was the baptism in the Spirit and became, initially, 3 stage Pentecostals; Regeneration, followed by Sanctification, followed by Baptism in Spirit (with tongues) as an enduement with power to serve.Later a theological committee decided that they could not justify the teaching that 2 separate works of grace were necessary to deal with sin in the life of the believer. They consequently concentrated on Regeneration followed by Baptism in the Spirit (with tongues) as an 'experience distinct from and subsequent to new birth' which endued the receiver with power to serve. This brought one of the earliest divisions among the new movement, with some holding out for 3 separate experiences.The New Testament Church of God and the Pentecostal Holiness churches retained a 3 stage Pentecostalism and this was imported into Scandinavia by T B Barrett. The Scandinavian Pentecostal churches used to be 3 stage Pentecostals. (Perhaps Lars will tell us if it is still so.)The Pentecostal movement in the UK 'began' in Sunderland under the ministry of Alexander Boddy. Boddy was an Anglical minister who believed in Second Blessing holiness. (He was local sectretary for the Pentecostal League of Prayer whose best known characters were Reader Harris and Oswald Chambers. They subsequently dropped the word 'pentecostal' from their title. ) The Pentecostal League of Prayer set its face firmly against the new phenomena evidenced in Sunderland and Reader Harris was particularly outspoken, calling it (if my memory is accurate) 'the vomit of hell'.Smith Wigglesworth, another second blessing holiness preacher, came into his Pentecostal experience under Boddy in Sunderland, and preached holiness all his life. In North America the Christian and Missionary Alliance led by A B Simpson ( who was succeeded by A W Tozer) took quite some time in making its mind up, but ultimately decided against the authenticity of the 'Pentecostal experience' although A B Simpson was a strong advocate of divine healing. They created the original four-square gospel; Jesus - Saviour, Sanctifier, Healer and Coming King. here endeth the lesson... :-D
And i'm most serious about wanting to know the definition between "classical" and "non-classical" revival ... Please share?Classical Revivals.OK, here's my understanding. The word 'revival' is not a biblical word, but a label that Christians have put on 'out of the ordinary' times within the history of the church. Many Christians refer to Old Testament accounts as 'revivals' but they are really 'reformations'. They are changes in the outward behaviour of individuals and the nation of Israel. Some may say they could only have had genuine 'reformations' if they were energised by a genuine revival. but that brings us back to the need of a defintion for 'revival'. One of the most fundamental and far reaching 'reformations'in the Old Testament was that of Josiah the son of Manesseh. Perhaps it is significant that Jeremiah who was alive at this time never seems to mention it, although he did grieve for Josiah when he died. Perhaps Jeremiah realised that the changes occuring during the reign of Josiah were the last flush of a mortal illness rather than evidence of a cure.There is no biblical theology for 'revivals' in the New Testament either. The only verse that could be used to support the concept being; Repent ye therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that so there may come seasons of refreshing from the presence of the Lord; (Act 3:19 ASV). I have opted for the ASV here as it makes the link between 'repentance' and 'seasons of refreshing'. The KJV seems to suggest that the 'times of refreshing' will bring the 'repentance'; Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Act 3:19 KJV) but the ASV gets the order more correctly. The word 'that'has the sense of 'subsequently'.One grouping of evangelicals regard a 'revival' as a time of special activity attributed to the Holy Spirit. Some believe this can be 'created' or 'promoted' and would speak in terms of 'holding a revival in Phoenix'. From this use of the term be get 'revivalists' who hold special meetings designed to facilitate special activity of the Spirit. Another group of Christians regard 'revival' as a mysterious, sovereign visitation of the Holy Spirit upon a community. The evidence of such a 'revival' would be profound conviction of sin. This kind of revival may be accompanied by lots of other phenomena, as was the 1904 Welsh Revival, but at its heart it is a 'sin-consciousness' event.Although I can provide no biblical evidence for the existence of 'revival' there can be no doubt that God has frequently moved in mysterious sovereign power and when these events have been wider than a local community they acquire a date eg the 1904 revival etc. Edwin Orr in his studies has called these 'evangelical awakenings'. There is no biblical warrant for that phrase either, except perhaps in the book of Ezra; Then rose up the heads of fathers' houses of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests, and the Levites, even all whose spirit God had stirred to go up to build the house of Jehovah which is in Jerusalem.(Ezr 1:5 ASV) The phrase 'stirred up' here comes from a root meaning to cause someone to open their eyes. (The Message, which I never use ;-) says 'God prodded' which is a great picture)This latter expectation of 'revival' is what I mean by 'classical revival'. It may have other accompanying features but its essence is that men and women, inside and outside the church, are awakened by God to realise their desperate sin condition and consequently reach out to God in heart prayer for a mercy and forgiveness. It is the sense in which the word would be used by Tozer and Ravenhill. In this sense I think the earlier chapters of the Acts are the account of a 'Jewish Revival'; Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.(Act 5:31 KJV)And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.(Act 6:7 KJV)non-classical revivalseverything else not included in the above. ;-)
Many Christians refer to Old Testament accounts as 'revivals' but they are really 'reformations'. They are changes in the outward behaviour of individuals and the nation of Israel.Revival really results in the same thing, its an inward change that brings and outward difference. I think many LARGE revival's can become reformations but revival is simply the act of ressesitation, meaning to bring life to something that is dying or waning towards death. Its something that has fallen from its normal level and has dropped down below and therefore needs to be revived back up to the 'normal' level. And so it is with Israel many times they needed revivals, renewed interest in God and getting back to how they used to love and serve Him. Revivals in this instence can be more God motivated and spurned but I find in the old Tesatement that the prophets many time pray and plead for God not to forsake the people but renew them back to Himself.There is no biblical theology for 'revivals' in the New Testament either. The only verse that could be used to support the concept being; Repent ye therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that so there may come seasons of refreshing from the presence of the Lord; (Act 3:19 ASV).I would agree in the epistles there is barely any talk of the concept of "revival" for the church was strong and still following God out of a pure heart and a first love. Even though there were problems doctrinally and morally in all the churches there was not a major falling away until we recieve word back from Jesus. The 7 letters of Revelation clearly paint a picture of the extreme need for revival in many of the churches and how Jesus even states to the one church thats its dead. (does the original indicate dead totally or just about to die) Either way they need to be ressitated or ressurected! Although I can provide no biblical evidence for the existence of 'revival' there can be no doubt that God has frequently moved in mysterious sovereign power and when these events have been wider than a local community they acquire a date eg the 1904 revival etc. I am sure there are many more examples in the Old Testament of this type of concept of God "reviving" his people and the people crying out for God to revive them Himself.I think you are a little out with some of your dates. This is not being pedantic, its just that the order of some events is quite significant.Thanks for the corrections sorry I was flying off the cuff there, need to get more displined and double check.
Yodi wrote:I am becoming more and more open to this revival thing. Need to learn more about it, and most of all, it's something God needs to speak to my heart and the Holy Spirit needs to open my understanding to.Yodi,May I recommend
I am sure there are many more examples in the Old Testament of this type of concept of God "reviving" his people and the people crying out for God to revive them Himself.Hi GregI don't want to get into semantics here. I was just trying to provide a working definition of classical revival as distinct to any other kind.Historically what we have done is to stamp a label of special times of God-consciousness. The label we have chosen is 'revival'. We might have called them outpourings or anything else. We get into circular discussions if we then try to define 'revival' from the word and say it means to re-vive, hence something that was alive. As the labelling was arbitary in the first place there is little to be gained by using the word we have adopted as an explanation.I'm not suggesting that we find a different word either. The literature on 'revival' is too rich to lose just because the word begs the question. I love the Acts phrase 'God has given repentance to Israel'. He gave it to Wales too in 1904 and the Isle of Lewis in 1948.
May I recommend J Edwin Orr. There are alot of people with opinions, but these guys have insight, based on personal experience. Edwin Orr gained his doctorate with a thesis on the 'second evangelical awakening'. He proved 'academically' that such a thing happened. I have sat in his lectures. He believed that God would allow him to witness a great revival of the 'classical kind'. I'm not sure that he ever did witness one.
I'm not suggesting that we find a different word either. The literature on 'revival' is too rich to lose just because the word begs the question.But using the word 'revival' to coin or term a set of circumstances in the bible isnt bad is it? wouldnt it be the same as any other extra biblical word that covers a doctrine or topic such as 'rapture'?I personally see in the bible that when Israel is 'repented' and is right standing with God would could call that 'times of revival'. Also with the church that the apostolic sucess was 'times of revival'. And my radical opinion is that we need to live in 'revival' all the time and thats Gods will. Its sad that we make the word 'revival' and 'revival times' sound so distant and miricalous where it is really just use living up to what God has instituted which in itself is miricalous, 'Christ dying for the world' -- 'Christ in us' its as Jim Elliot shared in his sermon that he believes we dont need a new revelation of Christ but a 'reviving' of the simple truths of who He is and His working in us.Sorry if I am trying to over simplify this and please correct me where I need correction.
Question - does the Bible mention revival or give a definition of it? Or is revival a man-made definition? I ask because if revival is Biblical, then yes, some of you guys can be wrong about what you say a revival is. But if it's just a man-made definition, then no one's wrong. It's just based on opinion and opinions can't be wrong.The whole point of this topic wasn't to debate definitions, but to give testimony to the moving of the Holy Spirit in this present day and focus on what God IS doing rather than on what the church isn't. Don't be like the murmuring Israelites. Trust God to take care of EVERYTHING, and in the meantime be thankful AT ALL TIMES.P.S. Greg, I think you made a good point - revival is in the heart and it should be renewed daily. [laughs] There is hope people! Let's start living, talking and acting like there is.
Question - does the Bible mention revival or give a definition of it? Or is revival a man-made definition? I ask because if revival is Biblical, then yes, some of you guys can be wrong about what you say a revival is. But if it's just a man-made definition, then no one's wrong. It's just based on opinion and opinions can't be wrong.Hi YodiThe Bible never uses the word 'revival' and consequently never defines it. It does use the word 'revive'. In that sense the New Testament refers to two revivals; sin [Rom 7:9] and Jesus [Rom 14:9]. Neither of these is going to help us with our definition of the word 'revival'.It is just a man-made label and consequently a man-made definition. However, this site (correct me if I'm wrong, Greg) laid its foundation in the teaching of AW Tozer and Leonard Ravenhill. When these men used the word 'revival' they always meant a season of God-consciousness which created an acute sense of sin-consciousness and a cry from the heart for God's mercy and forgiveness. So if you hear this word in their preaching it is important to know they are not referring to an evangelistic campaign or particular manifestation of power; they are referring to genuine repentance visited upon communities of people....and opinions can't be wrong??? They most certainly can. We had a newspaper story over here recently where a man died on the operating table when a diseased kidney was removed. The surgeon was of the opinion that it was the right kidney that was diseased, so he removed it. He was wrong in his opinion. His wrong opinion affected his behaviour and the only functioning kidney was removed; the man died.I know God is moving in very many ways in very many places, but it is helpful to know what people mean when they say there has been a revival in X-ville. I have a suspicion, and I have shared it with Greg before now, that what we call revival may actually be a multiple experience of genuine regeneration. Now there's another word that requires a definition... :-D
And with fireMessages on RevivalA. Skevington WoodCHAPTER IV THE NATURE OF REVIVAL ‘Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.’ Isaiah 45:8 THE definitions of revival are legion. Every book on the subject has supplied its own. But there is unity in this diversity. The many attempts to crystallize the meaning of revival in a single statement represent variations on a theme. There are no serious discrepancies. It is simply that revival is a many-splendoured thing and can no more be confined to a formula than the grace of God. According to the Oxford Dictionary, revival in the specifically Christian of the term, means the ‘reawakening of religious fervour.’ John Bonar described it as ‘the exchange of the form of godliness for its living power – the coining of life where life has never been, notwithstanding the long and fond profession of it.’ He amplified that account by adding that, viewed with respect to the Church, revival is a time of newness of life, and reviewed in respect to the world it is a time of multiplied conversions. In the language of Calvin Colton, one of the earliest writers on American revivals, it is ‘the multiplied power of religion over a community of minds, when the Spirit of God awakens Christians to special faith and effort, and brings sinners to repentance.’ ‘New life bringing a new joy – that is a fair description of a revival of religion,’ declared Dr. John S. Simon, the Methodist historian, on the basis of Psalm 85:6. ‘The experiences of the day of Pentecost repeat themselves, he continued, ‘and the weary Church finding its lost youth, walks in the morning light of Apostolic days.’ ‘A revival breaks the power of the world and of sin over Christians’, wrote Finney. ‘It brings them to such vantage f ground that they get a fresh impulse toward heaven; they have a new foretaste of heaven, and new desires after union with God; and the charm of the world is broken, and the power of sin overcome.’ ‘A revival is a voluntary and determined return to first things’ said Principal John D. Drysdale ‘and a whole-hearted honouring of God as Creator, Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour, and the Holy Ghost as our Sanctifier.’ And to round off this selection, here is D. M. Panton: “Revival is (as at Pentecost) the localized presence of Deity, revealing man to himself, and so shaking the soul to its foundations.’These, then, are just a few of the manifold definitions of revival. Each of them throws light upon some aspect that otherwise might have been overlooked. But of course the best and surest guide to the nature of revival is Scripture itself. Here we learn all we need to know on every topic that is essential to Gospel truth, and here therefore we shall expect to discover the fundamental significance of revival. Few of the standard Bible dictionaries do justice to the importance of such an enquiry and there is real need for thorough linguistic research in this field. Within the limits of this present essay we can do no more than mark out the terrain. It is the Old Testament that provides us with the bulk of our relevant material. Revival is throughout associated with varying forms of the root ‘haya’, to live. The general sense of the verb usually (though not uniformly) translated ‘to revive’ is to quicken, to impart fresh life. That is the implication, for instance, of Ecclesiastes 7:12. ‘The excellence of knowledge is, that wisdom giveth life to them that have it.’ In Hosea 14:7 it is used with reference to grain, and ‘they shall revive as the corn’ might be rendered ‘be caused to grow.’ In 1 Chronicles 11:8 we read ‘And Joab repaired the rest of the city’: that affords us with another and pregnant connotation of revival, for the root is the same (cf. Nehemiah 42). A whole series of usages suggest the idea of recovery or restoration. It may be from discouragement, as in Genesis 45:27 where ‘when he saw the wagons which Joseph had sent to carry him, the spirit of Jacob their father revived.’ It may be from exhaustion, as in Judges 15:19 where Samson, after slaying a thousand men with the jaw-bone of an ass, was sore athirst, ‘but God clave an hollow place that was in the jaw, and there came water thereout; and when he had drunk, his spirit came again, and he revived.’ It may be from slavery, as in Ezra 9:8 where the priest of the restoration gave thanks to God for granting ‘a little reviving’ in their bondage. Often the recovery referred to is from sickness and disease. When the children of Israel had been plagued with fiery serpents in the wilderness, Moses, we are told, made a brazen likeness of the offending creature and lifted it up before the people. ‘And it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived’ (Numbers 21:9), or, rather, lived again, that is, revived. A derivative from the same verb is employed in Ahazia’s enquiry concerning his recovery (2 Kings 1:2), the story of Naaman’s cleansing from leprosy (2 Kings 5:7), and the prophecy of Elisha about Benhadad’s restoration (2 Kings 8:10).On many occasions forms of this selfsame root appear in passages which relate to resuscitation from physical death. This is the distinctive prerogative of the living God. He alone gives life and He alone restores life. ‘The Lord killeth and maketh alive; He bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up’ (1 Samuel 2:6). In this sense cognates of the verb ‘to revive’ are used to describe the restoration of the Shunammite’s son and of the man buried in the sepulchre of Elisha (2 Kings 8:5 and 13:21). In the case of the widow’s child at Zarephath, revival occurred when ‘the soul came into him again’ (1 Kings 17:22); in the case of the resurrection of dry bones in Ezekiel 37 revival Occurred when ‘the breath came into them’ (v. 10). The word is found with similar meaning in Hosea 6:2: ‘After two days will He revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight,’ no doubt with a veiled Messianic implication. Two other instances clearly fall into this category. The first is an enquiry about personal survival: ‘If a man die, shall he live again?’ (Job 14:14). The second anticipates the general resurrection: ‘Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they rise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead’ (Isaiah 26:19). We are now left with a set of occurrences in the Book of Psalms where this same verb takes on a special tone with reference to spiritual revival, either individual or communal. The note in the Brown, Driver and Briggs Hebrew-English Lexicon on this technical signification is most instructive: ‘to revive the people of Jehovah, by Jehovah Himself, with fulness of life in His favour.’ The first time the Psalmist resorts to this term there is an obvious link with the last class listed above. ‘Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth’ (Psalm 71:20). Psalm 80:18, 19 is obviously relevant to the revival of God’s people as we understand it nowadays: ‘So will not we go back from Thee: quicken us, and we will call upon Thy name. Turn us again, O Lord God of hosts, cause Thy face to shine: and we shall be saved.’ Passing over the familiar 6th verse of Psalm 85, which will form the text of a later chapter, we reach the 119th Psalm which positively teems with examples. ‘To quicken’ recurs no less than eleven times. In each case the revival involved is personal. Nine times over the Psalmist prays ‘Quicken Thou me.’ In v. 25 it is ‘Quicken Thou me according to Thy Word.’ In v. 37 ‘Quicken Thou me in Thy way.’ In v. 40 ‘Quicken me in Thy righteousness.’ In v. 88 ‘Quicken me after Thy loving kindness.’ In v. 107 again ‘Quicken me, O Lord, according to Thy Word.’ In v. 149 ‘Quicken me according to Thy judgment.’ In v. 154 yet again ‘Quicken me according to Thy Word.’ In v. 156 ‘Quicken me according to Thy judgments.’ And in v. 159 ‘Quicken me according to Thy loving-kindness.’ Twice the Psalmist testifies that God has already revived him. ‘This is my comfort in my affliction, for Thy Word hath quickened me’ (v. 50): ‘I will never forget Thy precepts: for with them Thou hast quickened me’ (v. 93). This repeated plea for personal revival which runs like a refrain throughout the exceptional length of the 119th Psalm brings a challenge to every believer. It points to the only way of blessing. Before we pray ‘Revive us, O Lord,’ each one of us must be ready to ask ‘Revive me, O Lord.’ Again with the Psalmist, we must make this our petition: ‘Teach me to do Thy will; for Thou art my God: Thy Spirit is good; lead Me into the land of up- rightness. Quicken me, O Lord, for Thy name’s sake’ (Psalm 143:10, 11). A memorable tale is told of those two great stalwarts of God, Dr. F. B. Meyer and Dr. G. Campbell Morgan. They had travelled together to Cardiff in the early days of the Welsh revival of 1904. A fine upstanding policeman was on traffic control duty outside the railway station, so the Doctors of Divinity approached him to ask where the revival was. He put his hand on his heart and with a radiant face he replied, ‘Gentlemen, it is here.’ That is where revival is to be found. It is no abstraction. God does not waste His matchless energy in vitalising empty space and thin air. His work is done in people: first in His own people and then through them in His lost people. Revival is a quickening of hearts and unless it begins in yours and mine it will never spread. In the period between the two world wars the Christian Church in China inaugurated a Five Year Plan for advancement. The motto commended to every member was this: ‘Lord, revive Thy Church, beginning from me.’ That is where revival must always start. The foregoing survey of Old Testament vocabulary has brought us to a sharp realisation of that fact. May we sing the old chorus with a new sincerity:‘Lord, send a revival And let it begin in me.’ A similar word study in the New Testament would be equally valuable and instructive. Although the Authorised Version only translates two Greek verbs appearing in three places as ‘to revive’ the frequency is greater than might be supposed. The word which is used in Romans 7:9 to describe the revival of sin in face of the commandment, and in Romans 14:9 with reference to our Lord’s return to life from the grave, is also employed in Luke 15:24 where the father of the prodigal announces, ‘For this my son was dead and is alive again.’ The other verb occurs only in Philippians 4:10 and is originally a gardening term which alludes to the blooming of flowers in springtime.But if we had time to embark upon an exhaustive examination of the vocabulary of revival in the Scriptures of the New Testament we should have to notice also the numerous instances where the verb rendered ‘to quicken’ is found in the sacred text. The reader who will consult those passages with a concordance as his guide will be richly repaid. And indeed the entire terminology of the Spirit would have to be surveyed if we were to obtain a comprehensive picture of what the New Testament teaches about the nature of revival. Much of it, however, will be dealt with in further chapters of this book, so we can close the investigation for the present at this point. We shall now turn to the verse from Isaiah 45 which lies open before us. ‘Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; the Lord have created it.’ This beautiful passage from the Old Testament Scriptures came by inspiration to one who longed and interceded for revival. Here we have the God-breathed language of one who vehemently desired an increase of genuine piety and who was accustomed to look forward to times of refreshing from the hand of the Lord. Isaiah has been rightly denominated the evangelical prophet and he, more than any other, delighted to describe the shower of Gospel blessing associated with an awakening of the Spirit.Professor O. C. Whitehouse has aptly characterised this fervent outburst as a lyrical effusion or intermezzo. Our hearts thrill to the music of the celestial spheres as we rehearse it. It is all the more surprising and remarkable in that it is included in the charge to Cyrus, the Persian ruler, who is nevertheless the instrument of God’s sovereign and mysterious purpose. This little-studied verse reveals something more concerning the nature of revival. It tells us WHENCE REVIVAL COMES. ‘Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness.’ ‘Drop down’ . . . ‘from above’ . . . ‘pour down’ – these phrases of the Word disclose the source of revival. Like every good and perfect gift, it ‘is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning’ (James 1:17). Revival is a supernatural phenomenon and it has a supernatural origin. It is a gift from God. Being the outpouring of God’s everlasting mercy, ‘it droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven upon the place beneath.’ Revival is not the manufacture of man. No human agency can bring it about. As Ernest Baker has said, ‘a revival cannot be organised any more than the spring.’ It is from above and nothing from below can contribute to it. It is not an earthly concoction: it is a heavenly creation. ‘There is scarcely anything we have the handling of observed Richard Baxter, ‘but we leave on it the prints of our fingers.’ Revival is unmarked by any such defilement. It is untouched by hand. It is all God’s, own work. Again and again the records of revival testify to its Divine origin. Here is Bishop Handley Moule recalling his impressions of the Dorset awakening in which both he and Evan Hopkins were converted. ‘I must not close without a memory, however meagre, of one wonderful epoch in the parish. It was the Revival. The year was 1859, that “year of the right hand of the Most High. . . .” Ulster was profoundly and lastingly moved and blessed. Here and there in England it was the same and Fordington was one of the scenes of Divine Awakening. For surely it was Divine. No artificial means of excitement were dreamt of; my father’s whole genius was against it. No powerful personality, no Moody or Aitken, came to us. A city missionary and a London Bible-woman were the only helpers from a distance. But a power not of man brought souls to ask the old question: “What must I do to be saved”?’ That is the nature of revival blessing. It comes from the hand of the Lord to bring renewal to the face of the earth. It fulfils the Scripture promise: ‘He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth’ (Psalm 72:6). This verse also tells us How REVIVAL IS RECEIVED. ‘Let the earth open.’ It is as simple as that. Just as the parched ground lays itself bare to the gift of rain, so God’s people are to wait for the shower of blessing. They are, as we have seen, to humble. themselves, and pray and seek God’s face and turn from sin. They are to spend and be spent in winning souls and ministering to the necessities not only of the saints, but also of all who have been left bruised and broken on the Jericho road of life. But in respect of revival, when we have done all we are still unprofitable servants and can never hope to earn revival as a reward for faithfulness. One word contains the secret – ‘let the earth open.’ How hard it is for us to accept revival as a bestowal from God’s bounty! The fallacy of works invades even our conception of spiritual quickening. We want to feel that we have done something towards it. We tend to imagine that God is helpless without our efforts. And so we are continually driving ourselves and our fellow-believers to greater endeavours. It is good that we should be always abounding in the work of the Lord, but we should remember that the work is indeed His and not ours, and that no amount of zeal on our part, however determined and even frenzied, can in itself effect a revival. It is not what we do for God but what He does for us that constitutes revival.Early in the Welsh awakening of 1904 a Wiltshire evangelist visited the meetings at Ferndale. He stood up and said, ‘Friends, I have journeyed into Wales with the hope that I may glean the secret of the Welsh Revival.’ In an instant, Evan Roberts was on his feet, and with an uplifted arm towards the speaker, he replied: ‘My brother, there is no secret. Ask and ye shall receive.’ That is how revival comes. ‘Ye have not, because ye ask not. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss’ (James 4:2, 3). This verse further tells us WHAT REVIVAL PRODUCES. ‘Let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together.’ These are the twin end-products of revival. Salvation, of course, is the grand object of every time of refreshing. God quickens that He may save. God, ‘Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth’ (1 Timothy 2:4), prepares these seasons of renewal for the purpose of salvation. God doth not ‘respect any person, yet doth He devise means, that His banished be not expelled from Him’ (2 Samuel 14:14). That was the salient feature of Pentecost. ‘And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved’ (Acts 2:47). The second product of revival is righteousness. This is a different word in the Hebrew from that used earlier in the verse. That which comes down from heaven is tsedeq; that which springs from the earth is tsedaqah. The first is cause and the second is effect. The former is the Divine endowment and the latter is its outworking on the human plane. Salvation necessarily issues in righteousness. When a man is put right with God he will soon be right with his fellows as well. His entire way of life will be affected. Any spiritual experience which does not evidence itself in such moral realignment is rightly suspect. Paul’s prayer for his Philippian converts is appropriate to every newborn soul. ‘That ye may approve the things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God’ (Philippians 1:10, 11). Here is the very essence of righteousness. This, then, is the nature of revival. It comes from above. It is received by the openness of faith. It produces salvation and righteousness. And before this verse from Isaiah 45 reaches its end, God sets His own seal to the work. ‘I the Lord have created it,’ He says. That is the Maker’s mark stamped indelibly upon the product. And as the gift is His, so its aim is that He may have all the glory. The final objective of revival is to magnify the majesty and mercy of our incomparable Redeemer. ‘I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside Me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known Me: that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside Me. I am the Lord, and there is none else’ (Isaiah 45: 5, 6)
Brother Ron you wrote;Quote;here endeth the lesson...Now come on brother Ron, Can a professor really make such a statement to a student? ... i'm most interested in this thing that has come to be defined as revival, and want to understand as much as i can about it, and the more i stay on this forum, gleaning info from others more learned than myself, i grow, and i'm all about growing ... So here's hoping that my asking you to go an extra mile with me on this will cause your response to go with me double ... i know this is scriptural arm twisting, but i'm now fascinated by your terminology of "classical" and "non-classical" revival, and i want to make sure that i totally understand the definitions ... ok?You wrote regarding "Classical Revival"Quote;"One grouping of evangelicals regard a 'revival' as a time of special activity attributed to the Holy Spirit. (i agree with this definition)Quote;Some believe this can be 'created' or 'promoted' and would speak in terms of 'holding a revival in Phoenix'. (i don't agree with this definition, but do believe that revival can be earnestly prayed for via the instructions of Joel chapters 1 & 2)Quote;Another group of Christians regard 'revival' as a mysterious, sovereign visitation of the Holy Spirit upon a community. The evidence of such a 'revival' would be profound conviction of sin. This kind of revival may be accompanied by lots of other phenomena, as was the 1904 Welsh Revival, but at its heart it is a 'sin-consciousness' event.(i agree with this definition, with the possible elimination of "mysterious" to a saint, but can see where it would be so to an unbeliever)Quote;This latter expectation of 'revival' is what I mean by 'classical revival'. It may have other accompanying features but its essence is that men and women, inside and outside the church, are awakened by God to realise their desperate sin condition and consequently reach out to God in heart prayer for a mercy and forgiveness. non-classical revivalseverything else not included in the above".( Ok, now i totally understand what you mean by "classical revival", "the evidence of such a 'revival' would be profound conviction of sin, at its heart it is a 'sin-consciousness' event" ... So now what i don't understand is why do you concider the Azusa St. revival non-classical, was it's heart not about sin consciousness? ... Your "non-classical" definition regarding Azusa St. says you sense a different motive behind that revival, what was that different motive? ... Also do you think the Azusa St. Revival an offshoot of the more "classical" Welsh revival, or do you see it as something totally different? ... And lastly, because there does seem to be more controversy around the Azusa St. revival than it's fore-runners, do you think that difference was man generated, or was it God doing an new thing? ... i ask this latter question because the Pentecostal movement that came out of Azusa seemed blessed of God to spread out like wildfire, and grow the way that it did/has ...To All ... i've posed these ?'s in attempts to pick the brain of my most knowledgeable brother Philologos, but i'd be interested in what any of you have to say ...Thanks,Bro R
i've posed these ?'s in attempts to pick the brain of my most knowledgeable brother Philologosthat probably explains why there are so many holes in it these days.So now what i don't understand is why do you concider the Azusa St. revival non-classical, was it's heart not about sin consciousness? ... Your "non-classical" definition regarding Azusa St. says you sense a different motive behind that revival, what was that different motive? ... Also do you think the Azusa St. Revival an offshoot of the more "classical" Welsh revival, or do you see it as something totally different? ... And lastly, because there does seem to be more controversy around the Azusa St. revival than it's fore-runners, do you think that difference was man generated, or was it God doing an new thing? ... i ask this latter question because the Pentecostal movement that came out of Azusa seemed blessed of God to spread out like wildfire, and grow the way that it did/has ...My understanding is that it was not noticible for its 'sin-consciousness', however I recall a quote from Bartleman when describing the Azuza Street movement "We saw some wonderful things in those days. Even very good men came to abhor themselves in the clearer light of God. The preachers died the hardest. they had so much to die to. So much reputation and good works. But when God got through with them they gladly turned a new page and chapter. That was one reason they fought so hard. Death is not at all a pleasant experience. And strong men die hard.." This is most unlike most pentecostal/charismatic terminology but is very much like second blessing holiness and would fit the 'classical revival' pattern to a certain extent.In short I don't think Azuza Street was a 'classical revival' in the sense that I have tried to define that phrase earlier. That is not to say I think it was demonic or soulish. I have mixed feelings about it. There were certainly strong divisions among the participants, which sadly is very often the pattern for holiness movements. The movements began to depend upon 'new ideas' which is almost certainly where the move to Jesus-Only teaching came from. There was an expectancy that God was doing new things and revealing new truths. That becomes dangerous when pressure comes on men to produce new things.Someone once said you can't pray for rain without expecting a little mud. Sometimes genuine 'classical revivals' are accompanied by non-biblical phenomena. This would be true of the times of Fox, Wesley, Finney, and certainly the 1904 Welsh revival. As far as I know the Lewis (Hebrides) revival was not marked by these extra-biblical phenomena in a general way. The Hebrides revival was very much associated with Duncan Campbell, who was from the Faith Mission - a second blessing holiness denomination.BTW Lars has just begun a series from Skevington Wood which has a comment on definitions of revival.
It is just a man-made label and consequently a man-made definition. However, this site (correct me if I'm wrong, Greg) laid its foundation in the teaching of AW Tozer and Leonard Ravenhill. When these men used the word 'revival' they always meant a season of God-consciousness which created an acute sense of sin-consciousness and a cry from the heart for God's mercy and forgiveness.Yes the "genuine revival" that is promoted on this site is the same type that these men spoke of. The main attributes being, deep repentance, sin-conciousness and a deep grasp of the cross of Christ and its implications spiritually. But also a main foundational precept to this site also is for the "church" to be the "church" in the fullest sense of that mystery. That is the summation of revival and the necessary place we must attain to once again. Some term this seeking after "Apostolic Christianity" not the office and power as you said but the impact and "the world was turned upside down."
Thanks brother Ron,i better understand now, and especially like that comment about "you can't have rain without a little mud" ... If man is involved, even in the least, there will be mud, but God knows i'd rather be dealing with "some mud" rather than this dry, arrid, fallow groundwe seem to have come to in the 100 years since Azusa St ...And man did the following quote from you quicken my heart ...Quote;however I recall a quote from Bartleman when describing the Azuza Street movement "We saw some wonderful things in those days. Even very good men came to abhor themselves in the clearer light of God. The preachers died the hardest. they had so much to die to. So much reputation and good works. But when God got through with them they gladly turned a new page and chapter. That was one reason they fought so hard. Death is not at all a pleasant experience. And strong men die hard." - Even very good men came to abhor themselves- preachers died the hardest- strong men die hardIsn't this our main problem today, that we don't see our self proclaimed righteousness as what it is, filthy rags? ... "Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.Lord Jesus have mercy on us right now, today, and love us with the same, nay an even greater baptism of revival that will give us even greater results as Bartleman's quoted above ...i believe You Lord ...
Brother Lars,i've been looking for your actual post where you said a minister spoke in tongues and then interpreted it something to the effect that you were from then on to be silent ... Man did i laugh when i read it because it made something dawn on me ... Those of us who are regular posters on SI, and i dare say many who only come and read, more than likely have this one thing in common ... We're ALL thorns in the flesh to the status quo in the Body of Christ ... And i praise God that the Holy Spirit led me to SI to teach me thru so many other of you willing vessels, and to polish us against one another to knock of our rough spots, grind down bumps and pimples, and prepare us polished ambassadors to Christ service ... And brother Lars i also want you to know that i personally marvel at the amount of scriptural scholarly works you read, but moreso that you can retain the works to recall for just about any discussion we get into ... i find that amazing, but then that's what the Holy Ghost likes to do with us when we apply our hearts and mind to the Word ...i've got all kinds of printouts from posts you've done that i never posted on, but just read them and file them away for when it's time for the Holy Spirit to recall them to me for His use to others ... My Dad used to always say, "Give credit where credit is due" ... So i just wanted to let you know that i'm benefiting greatly from how our Holy Spirit chooses to operate thru you ... Amen ...i just read your post to this subject of revival ...Quote;And with fireMessages on RevivalA. Skevington Wood"Revival is not the manufacture of man. No human agency can bring it about. As Ernest Baker has said, ‘a revival cannot be organised any more than the spring.’ It is from above and nothing from below can contribute to it. It is not an earthly concoction: it is a heavenly creation. ‘There is scarcely anything we have the handling of observed Richard Baxter, ‘but we leave on it the prints of our fingers.’ Revival is unmarked by any such defilement. It is untouched by hand. It is all God’s, own work". Now brother Lars i know that NO human agency can bring revival about ... But we all know that prayer, true repentance, purity and the formula of Joel chapters 2 & 3 can, even though it might take some time, move God to pour out His rain ... The above quote kinda makes me think that revival is some indiscriminate occurance that happens only when it's God's whim to do so ... Every thing i've deemed worth reading and hearing about revival says that it came in answer to repentant travailing prayer ... i know that whenever i start to feel a little sorry for myself because i've been praying about revival for some 20 years, i just think of brother Ravenhill ... Don't you think we do have our part towards obtaining revival with prayer, as God is very reactive to a repentant people? ... And don't you think that the reason we finally get it is because God has mercy on us and pours it out? ... And do you think that the reason why it takes so long for revival to come is because so many saints don't pray for it? ... And lastly don't you think that the reason for, and the main work of the prophet, is to get God's folk, especially the priest first, to see the benefits and formula of Joel chapters 2 & 3 towards said revival?
Brother Rahman,Thank you for kind words.Here is the original post:Just a small story from a prayer meeting:We were introducing a prayer subject related to the European Union and a gathering of the PM’s on the nations involved in a nearby city.We had been invited to do so. For some untold reason the pastor in the church in which the prayer gathering were held got “cold feet”. When I had presented the prayer subject this pastor began to speak in tongues and interpreted it to say:“Thus says the Lord, Widerberg shall keep quiet.”No more intercession during that gathering.Misuse of the “Gift of prophesy”.The story is hilarious – the spiritual function of that church is miserable.Lars
philologos wrote:Edwin Orr gained his doctorate with a thesis on the 'second evangelical awakening'. He proved 'academically' that such a thing happened. I have sat in his lectures. He believed that God would allow him to witness a great revival of the 'classical kind'. I'm not sure that he ever did witness one. Ron,The following quotes are on the J. Edwin Orr's Tribute Site,"Dr. J. Edwin Orr, in my opinion, is one of the greatest authorities on the history of religious revivals in the Protestant world. I think that God has given him one of the greatest and most unique ministries anywhere in the nation . . . I know of no man who has a greater passion for worldwide revival or a greater love for the souls of men." (Billy Graham)"Some men read history, some write it, and others make it. So far as the history of religious revivals is concerned, J. Edwin Orr belongs to all three categories." (F.F. Bruce)Some personal testimony of the revival he was used in, in Brazil, include Dr. Orr's Personal Testimony, God provides for Dr. Orr on his way to Brazil (Video), and The beginning of the revival in Brazil in the 1950s (video).
Yodi,
the last revival that I know of was the Brownsville revival. It spread like wildfire to other churches. I was in attendance at the first assembly of god in Iberia Missouri. The year was 1996.
We held meeting every night for two months. Many church denominations in attendance: Church of god, Southern Baptist and even catholic members came to see what all the fuse was about.
A lot of people including me had the quickening (Holy Shakes) Phrophecies, a lot of speaking in tongues.
A teen still in high school left the meeting ran out in the highway and layed down in the middle of the road. Ushers brought her back into the church. I will not say that she was demon posesed, but after hours of ministering there was several demons that left the girl.
there were at least 20 people coming to christ every night.
Many people came from St.Louis and some from illinois and other states, to a small church in a small town of no more than 900 people in it.
there wasn't a lot of preaching every night. A lot of worship, praying at the alter.
Hi Greg you wrote:
"1901 - Azuza Street Revival (william seymour)
1904 - Welsh Revival (evan roberts)
1905 - Sialkot convention Revival (john hyde)
1950's - Hebrides Revival (duncan campbell)
1980's - Canadian Revival in saskatoon (bill mcleod)".
I would add to your intresting list few more revivals:
- Korean presbyterian revival 1907.
- Jonathan Goforth and the revival in north China 1908.
- East African Revival begining at 1930 and lasting 50 years.
- The Shantung revival of north China in the early 1930s, which began in the north china mission of the southern baptists. Here on SI the story of this revival is told by Dr. Culpepper.
- The laymen's revival of Lewis 1930's, Scotland.
- The Indonesian revival 1947-1958
- The Congo revival 1950's
- Asbury revival 1970.
- The charismatic renewal even though not considered as a 'clasic revival', it was still a renewal movement with emphasis on being born again, the conscience experience of the Holy Spirit and on the spiritual gifts.
Duncan Campbell said that, "revival must ever be related to holiness". I believe that the essencial element in every genuine revival is holiness. The result of a Holy Spirit awakening/revival is holiness of heart and life.
There is sometimes confusion among christians with the words revival and awakening. I think awakening has more to do with conversion of sinners to God and revival with godly sorrow of the believers that leads to genuine repentance and to a living faith, forgiveness, self-denial, witness, unconditional love & care for others and holiness of life.
The Holy Spitit is a Spirit of holiness, and he will not come to fill a christian unless there is brokeness and confession of sin and cleansing of the heart by the blood of the Lamb. The emphasis of revival is the centrality of the Cross and Jesus Christ lifted up and magnified.
I would list few elements as essencial and characteristic of revival:
1. Acknowledge and Confession of sin(s) before God.Brokeness of heart, conviction of sin and deep repentance grips the hearts of believers and they resolute to forsake sin.
2. A living faith in the cleaning power of the blood of the Lamb shed on the cross.
3. A conscience awareness of the Holy Spirit indwelling in us and an awareness of the holy presence of God among believers.
4. A spiritual revelation of the total depravity and total corruption of the heart, of the awfulness of sin and the cry of mercy mounts up to God.
5. A spirit of prayer and supplication spreads among believers.
6. Unspeakable joy and full of glory fills the hearts of revived christians and they are burdened for the salvation of the lost.
7. A new passion for the glory of God and a pure love for Him and men.
When God rends heavens & comes down to visit us by His Spirit thats revival, "Oh, that You would rend the heavens and come down! That the mountains might shake at Your presence…to make Your name known" (Isaiah 64:1).
Blessings,
Redi
I agree with what Elected (Redi) said that true revival will always be connected with holiness...and with brokenness.
Sometimes revivals happen on a small scale and take place in the most unlikely places. Here's one that took place a few years ago in the Arctic. Praise God !
In Jesus,
John
To learn more about a present revival, I highly recommend the book, "Heavenly Man" written by Brother Yun (with Paul Hattaway)
You will be spellbound - when you discover what God is doing right now in China!
Diane
