murrcolr asked:
What don't you know the verse Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
Romans 5:12 "Therefore, even as through one man, sin entered into the world, and through sin death; and in the way just indicated, death passed through into all mankind, on all whom had sinned."
The term “therefore” shows us that Paul is still writing about justification by faith. He is not starting a new subject about “original sin” or “sin nature”
Let's break it down:
"as by one man, sin entered into the world";
Just that, nothing more.
The first transgression was introduced into the world by Adam. Nothing more must be read into this.
"[b\\]and through sin, death[/b] (entered into the world because of Adam)
Spiritual death comes to all who choose to sin, just as Adam chose to sin.
Physical death came by Adam being cut off from the tree of life, therefore we are cut off.
Spiritual death is from our own, personal sin from our age of accountability. No one dies spiritually because of anyone esles sin; we are not born spiritually dead.
Physical death is not a judgment of sin, but only a consequence of being cut off from the Tree of Life.
"[b]so also death passed to all men,[/b]"
Because of this next part of the verse…
"[b]on all whom had sinned.[/b]"
Spiritual death passed to all who sin (not by birth).
[b]Death passed to all men who sinned[/b], but not to the extent that in the future people have already sinned "in Adam" .
Spiritual death passes only to all who sin because a moral, intentional choice of sin has been made. God cannot have fellowship with those who reject Him, those who are in sin must be separated from God, and therefore, they are spiritually dead in their sins, which is a choice to disobey.
It is to be “alienated from the life of God, because of the willful ignorance that is in them, because of hardening of their heart [which is always willful]” (Eph. 4:18), that is, alienated from a relationship with God (John. 17:3).
So you are saying you are born perfect--righteous..
Not just me, but all mankind.
No one sins before they’re born, therefore we are born innocent, which means that we are born righteous.
Righteous means to be in right standing with God.
If one hasn't sinned yet and innocent, then he is still in right standing with God.
Being born "Perfect"?
Yes, I had 10 fingers & 10 toes, 2 eyes...etc...
In Galatians 3:22, Paul adds another picture to the Bible's teaching of the universality of sin. "But the Scripture has confined all under sin that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe." "The Scripture" is the Old Testament; it is man's jailer, condemning and confining him because he has sinned.
Galatians 3:22 is to be interpreted as the law proving of their sin/disobedience & God gave the law to convict men of their sin so they may repent and receive mercy.
God has proven them to be under sin (disobedience) by the law, and the sin is the evidence which God uses against them.
The law was added because of transgressions, it exists for the reason of making unlawful affections to be evidently unlawful.
In other words, the law exists so that our unlawful affections would be evidently more wicked in contrast to the specific commands of the law (Romans 7:13).
The purpose of the law is to teach one of the character of the Lawgiver also to guide us and to guard us while directing us to mercy of the Lawgiver (Galatians 3:19,24).
•\tThe law guides by showing us the boundary.
•\tThe law guards us by the Justice of it and by penalties of breaking it.
•\tThe law directs us by conviction of guilt that we may seek forgiveness.
Let’s put this in context:
Galatians 3:22 But the scripture embraces everyone in a common subjection to be under sin (disobedience), so that the promise (of righteousness) through faith in Jesus Christ is given to those who believe (as Abraham did).
(See Romans 11:32)
Galatians 3:23 But before the coming of faith, we were guarded under Law, having been embraced in that common subjection (the subjection spoken of in verse 22) to direct us to the faith that is being revealed.
Galatians 3:24 So that the Law has become to us a guide & guard, directing us to Christ so that we might be justified by faith.
"Man" in the Greek Scriptures is huph hamartian, man under sin. This means he is under the power of, in subjection to, under the control of or dependent upon, sin. Sin holds man under its authority.
Don't you Know that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness (Rom 6:16)?
We have a choice of being under sin or not.
However, in Galatians 3:22 with the context being the law as proof for being "under sin", we are under the [b]verdict[/b] of sin because the law convicts us.
The verdict being, "guilty"
Therefore, what you said is not meaning.
When we are saved, we should have already put off the old man and put on the new man The "old man" would be the person that Paul (or us) was before salvation.
Who is Paul talking to in Ephesians 1:1 to the saints at Ephesus who are also faithful and loyal and steadfast in Christ Jesus. Please note they are not unbelievers
They were Christians who had behavior in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind (Eph 2:3), being in time past Gentiles [/b]in the flesh[/b] (Eph 2:11), without Christ (Eph 2:12), who, from now on
[b]should be not be[/b] children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine (Eph 4:14), that they should speak the truth in love (Eph 4:15), and that they must no longer walk as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind...etc.. (Eph 4:22)
Since Paul tells them to not walk as other Gentiles walk, they should put off concerning [b]their former [u]way[/u] of life[/b] the old man which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts (Eph 4:22)
So we have established who Paul is writing we look at (AMP)Ephesians 4:22 Strip yourselves of your former nature
NO!!!
It does not say "former
[b]nature[/b]".
It is either "behavior", "conversation", or "way of life".
There is nothing about our nature.
Paul writing to these Saints in Ephesus teaches them that they should put off and discard your old un-renewed self.Colonel Milton Agnew of The Salvation Army laments, “Oh, that the believer might at that time discover the deliverance that is possible by crucifying the old
man - the old I!
And how might they do this?
According to you, they can't.
They can't even if they do their "best".
Rom 6:6 Is about the judicial aspect of our salivation not the experiential..
Who says?
When Paul says that our old man was crucified with Christ he means THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE IN ADAM. It's a judicial reckoning of God that the old man was once and for all put away.
No, it is a personal aspect.
Paul is saying that
[b]our[/b] (each one of our's, not the whole human race's) old man was crucified with Christ....that we should no longer serve sin.
Just as Jesus had died and raised, we must reckon the same also; ourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, and alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Then it goes onto say that we have a duty (which we are able to disobey). The duty of Rom 6:12-13.
Rom 6:16 tells us that we choose whom our master is.
So we need to experience this deliverance which is ours judicially which will take us from being the wretched man of Rom 7 into more than a conqueror in chapter 8Put of the Old man and put on the new man which is Christ.
The New Man is not actually Christ. The New Man is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Christ.
Not as a saint all the way through, but from a sinner to a saint.