Travis
I hope you don't mind hearing from someone who has just joined the disussion. You wrote -
"Not so in my opinion. Paul is describing the futility of trying to live for God out of his own flesh by trying to keep the law. When we attempt to be right with God, or to please Him, or to get Him to answer prayer, or to approach Him in any way through our own efforts and abilities to live a holy life, we are walking in the flesh. So many times we see walking in the flesh in light of holiness of action, but in reality holiness of action is the fruit of walking in the Spirit, of living out of a power other than ourselves."
Yes exactly but the hardest thing ever is to try and tell someone how to do it. And this is what we all want to do but many spend years and years trying to understand the 'how' when most answers just give the 'why'. I myself was stuck in this one.
There has been some debate about what our own responsibility is here -
"I am unsure why there is a need to make statements like faith takes out all human effort. On the contrary, our Lord Himself said - AGONIZE to enter for many will seek to enter and will not be able."
This is so, we are to seek first the kingdom of God, anything that comes first for us will keep us out as it is an idol. The way to enter in is to obey the prompting of the Holy Spirit and not stop His work within us. He wants us to enter in and knows how to get us there, so all we need is to desire it about everything, and not just seek it as one of many things we wish to have, and to not grieve Him.
The actual work itself in entering is a divine transaction whereby we agree with God's pronouncement He has made on us, that all of our works and all of our earning of brownie points for His approval, are as nothing, we can do nothing that has any worth in His kingdom and everything that we did do was tainted with the flesh, there was no purity, it had a streak of self in there. We enjoyed the attention we got or the praise or even thought ourselves more 'holy' or obedient or doctrinal than our brethren and allowed pride to grow.
It is when the Reaper comes with His scythe that we see the whole emptiness of our confessions. This is the work of God alone and any resistence to its fulfillment though pride will mean that one day it is too late, we grieved Him too many times ans His presence left. Sadly, this is the state for many in the church today. We are hanging over the gates of hell by a thread if we have not entered in. We are either in or not in, like the ark and Noah, there is no halfway point. To be saved from the floods we must be aboard, safe in the arms of the Saviour.
And again, once we enter in, and the chains which bound us have fallen of so that we are not a mixture of flesh and spirit which cannot be, if the heart is pure then everything that issues forth is pure, then and not until then can we walk in the Spirit, having had the old man nailed to the cross with Christ and then buried in Baptism and we have attended our own 'white funeral' as Oswald Chambers oput it.
To walk in the Spirit is as easy as to walk in the flesh was previously. It is to walk according to our nature that is the new nature. We know how to do it then we do not need someone to explain to us, but even so, it is not easy to put into words. Spiritual matters aren't. But we know the difference between walking in the mixture and now walking in the light. In the mixture, we heard God say this way and that, but now, all is before us in perfection and we know exactly what He requires.
There is never a time when we will be 'taken over' by Him, something is always required of us but this time it is the keeping down of the natural flesh and many misunderstand Paul here.
It is not a battle with sin as others suppose, that battle has been won and we are walking in conformity to the Son of God. Now we must 'sacrifice the natural' as again our friend Chambers says. What comes from us is the natural impulse of the human nature and not the lower part which was ruled by sin before it went to the cross.
This part will be weary in its human strength and hunger and desire to preserve its life, but when the Spirit is in control of a man, this part will bow down and must be kept down. This was the test of Adam but he failed. In his innocence he refused to accept the boundaries God had given him regarding what knowledge God would reveal to him and when He would reveal it.
If we are walking in the Spirit we will not fulfill the desires of the flesh. It does not say that sometimes we will and sometinmes we wont. However we add grey areas if we do not have the Life in us.
blessings
Brenda