Does anyone know if the RFI chip is still a part of the health care bill?

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS BILL AT IT'S FINAL STAGE STILL HAS THE CLASS TWO IMPLANTABLE DEVICE IN IT?

National Medical Device Registry from H.R. 3200 [Healthcare Bill], pages 1001-1008:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/both-house-and-senate-health-bills-require-the-micro-chipping-of-americans/blog-295764/

http://www.arewelivinginthelastdays.com/road/healthcare.html

This is an informative site.
Any info. is appreciated.

AS the website title says:

"We are living in the last days" saints!

"We are living in the last days" saints!

Hardly!

We are always talking about reading our bible in it's context, but in this area of "last days" we scarcely do that.

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; AND THE TIME DRAWETH NEAR: go ye not therefore after them.

How close is "near"?

Peter on that great day of Pentecost stood up and fulfilled Joel's prophecy saying that the day that he was living in was the "Last Days", and that was 2000 years ago.

When we talk today about these days being the last days, we are at best misinformed, or very good liars.

For all other verses of scripture, we say things like, "In the Greek it says this", "It means this or that or the other", but when it comes to bible prophecy, we believe that the literal sun will turn black.

We rightly divide the fundemental truths of God's word, but when it comes to bible prophecy, we act like mindless automatons, repeating what someone else has said. And believe me when I say, we are repeating what other men have falsely interpreted.

The end of the world will never come. We will live out our days and die. We'll leave our prison and be where He is and then a whole new generation will rise up again saying what this generation has been saying, the end is near, then they will die until someone will stand up and so influence the Christian world that they will leave off this waste of time.

Intersting to note that one of the signs of the last days is what "snufalapagus" just wrote.

2 Peter 3:3-4 states: "knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

This prophecy has just been fulfilled today before everyone right here on this forum thread.

Krispy

Snuff sounds a wee bit like a Preterist to me :) Apparently there is no second coming or perhaps we missed that? .............brother Frank

I was gonna use the term "Preterist", but did not want to take the time to define what that is.

A "Preterist" actually believes that all Bible prophecy in Revelation was fulfilled in 70AD, and that Revelation is a "history book".

I'm not sure how a "Preterist" explains today's newspaper.

It is a false teaching, i.e. a heresy. And yes, it does seem that Snuff is advocating it.

Krispy

is'sa drool.

An interesting topic indeed.

For the sake of peace among the brethren,

Jesus is coming soon and Israel is God's chosen people.

God Bless

Interesting to note that one of the signs of the last days is what "snufalapagus" just wrote.

2 Peter 3:3-4 states: "knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

This prophecy has just been fulfilled today before everyone right here on this forum thread.

Hardly!

As a fellow bible student who, like you, study the entire bible not just one or two to base one's teaching, am fully aware of this verse of scripture. And to declare that this is being fulfilled today on this forum seems a bit low brother, seeing that it's an accusation of untruth.

Again, for the sake of peace amongst the brethren concerning this subject, I remain.

Snuf is being unusually cryptic:)........brother Frank

For the sake of peace among the brethren, Jesus is coming soon and Israel is God's chosen people.

This is a tad bit confusing to me. If this is not your belief then why would you say it for the sake of peace? Is supporting false doctrine for the sake of peace Biblical? If like you said things will only change when someone will stand up and confront this faulty way of thinking, then where does your integrity stand saying that you'll agree with error for the sake of peace?

Now, if you said it in a satirical fashion, then how does that bring any sort of peace?

That being said, if you actually believe what I've quoted then so be it. However, if done in jest or sarcasm there's probably a few things to consider.

One, if Israel is not God's chosen people still, everyone on this site who claims Christ should be positively terrified. Since you're a student of the entire Bible, and not just a verse or two I need hardly remind you of God's covenants. But for those on here who may not be "students of the whole Bible" I might point out that God has never made a covenant with the church. Never. If we're talking about the new covenant that we all claim to live in, that covenant was made with Israel, not the church. If God is finished with Israel, than he is also finished with the church. Does the Bible say that we gentiles are wild olive branches grafted into the cultivated tree of Israel, or that with Christ's coming the Lord decided to get rid of that tree and grow a new one? When the Jeremiah spoke about God's election of nations at the potter's wheel, did the Lord throw out the old clay, or refashion it? And most importantly, if God is allowed to break everlasting covenants, how should we then think that we in any way are secure? Is the Lord a covenant breaking God? If He is, this should throw doubt on the character that He presents of Himself in His Word. Then His truthfulness and honor come into doubt. And from there the spiral would continue. None of us could be sure of anything, including our salvation.

Now, based on God's character, could the world in it's current pattern and progress just continue on and on? Despite what anyone "chooses" to believe, Christianity is in decline. There are more mosques being built than churches. Just study society for the last hundred years. Do more men turn to God now, or to their own devices? If left to progress like that forever, soon Christians will cease to be, and what will prevent the Lord from pouring His full wrath on a wicked people, and utterly destroying them? God doesn't let sin just go completely unchecked, and run rampant on the earth. Is the grace of God really that cheap?If the end of the world as we know it will never come, then what of the promise of a new earth? And if that's bad interpretation from "some other guy" and we're actually on the new earth, then based on what I've seen, we got a pretty raw deal.

To go fully into this, it would probably take pages, and I have to run off to get back to school. I'm quite willing to believe that in some way I've misunderstood you, and if that's the case, I'm quite sorry. -Grant

There are two doctrines at work here... Preterism, which I have already described. And "Replacement Theology", which believes that the Church has replaced Israel as God's chosen people.

Both of these doctrines can be easily refuted by reading the Bible in a literal fashion (which it was meant to be in the first place).

Snuf can say what he wants, but he has propogated both of these here in this thread. It's there for everyone to read. There can be no peace where there is no unity... and on these two doctrines I am happy to say I am not in unity with Snuf. Doesn't mean I don't love him, I do. But I will not concede the truth for the sake of peace and unity.

Rather I will contend for the faith, as we are all called to do.

...and it will be done in love.

Krispy

I'm with you 100% on this one Krispy.

Now, if you said it in a satirical fashion, then how does that bring any sort of peace?

It wasn't said in a satirical fashion, it was said because no one wants to hear any angles only that which has been taught, NOT from the bible, but what has been taught, or what has been handed down as truth. Just because some old saintly man that has been revered by everyone says it's so, doesn't mean it's so.

As I stated before there is no signing of any peace treaty in the bible, it's an added piece of information that has caused bible students in the 18th century to veer off in to unknown and unclear and very silent scriptures which really frustrates me because it's so plain and yet misunderstood by so many. The carnal understanding of man plays a huge part in the many theories that are floating around out that there, and not one theory is solid because everyone keeps changing their view or it's always being updated or modified.

For the sake of peace is to agree with everyone regardless if it's wrong or not. I would like to stand up and say many things, but this is not my forum and I don't think Greg would like me doing that and he would probably look at me as a trouble maker and one who has an agenda. And I don't want to come off as having one.

I would like to stay on the site and be a nominal believer not an extreme nut case.

I apologize for bringing this up, my bad.

Snuf is propogating Preterism and Replacement Theology... both of which are false teachings.

I need not argue this with Snuf. Fact is fact.

Mark and avoid.

Romans 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."

Krispy

With every bible doctrine you have to start at the beginning, you never start at the end. And when ever this discussion is started everyone jumps to the end and the whole thing is messy before it gets started. There are a thousand questions but when starts at the beginning the answers are displayed as one begins to study.

Krispy, you have said some words that are simply not true. I do not believe in Replacement Theology. The church has never replaced Israel. That would be a foolish notion on my part seeing that the very first Christians were Jews on the day of Pentecost where thousands were brought into the kingdom of God, "such as should be saved".

As for the "Faith that once delivered unto the saints", we are contending for the "Faith" which is salvation by grace, not law. There were great divisions in those days (still are) concerning if man should continue on with obeying the law while still holding unto Jesus. And to this "faith" we must contend for.

Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's wrong, your heart could be hardened, mine could be too. Your hardened towards the speaking in tongues, I say your wrong, but that is your opinion.

Everyone, please, I am just talking here, there is no animosity going on or resentment.

you say you do not believe in "replacement theology"?

then what did you mean when you wrote this in another thread:

" Israel is NOT in bible prophecy, only the Church is. All those prophecies concerning Israel are over. She rejected her Messiah, there will never be a return. The current state of Israel so called is the greatest deception of the 20th century upon the Church"--snufalapagus

you wrote that.

i know you implore in this thread, "Everyone, please, I am just talking here, there is no animosity going on or resentment.".....but as a Jew who has apprehended Messiah, loves Jesus, reads that kind of anti-Israel bile and venom that spews from your keyboard, the same kind of rhetoric i hear from islamic jihadi's or white neo nazi's to this very day, dont think for a second..i dont know where you are coming from.

Mark and avoid

Because of a different take on bible prophecy?

I would "Mark and Avoid" anyone who didn't preach Salvation by Grace through Faith.

But to "Mark and Avoid" someone who has a different outlook on how they view bible prophecy seems a bit lame.

The foundation is Jesus Christ and Him crucified along with the Apostles. The foundation is not made up of how you believe the stars falling out of their place or the sun turning black or the moon stops giving her light, whether you believe that or not, makes no never mind to the foundation. The foundation is by faith through grace, not of works lest any man should boast. If any man builds on that, wood hay or stubble, it will be tested by fire to see what kind of work it is. If it's true it will remain, if it's not, Poof! , but thank God he will be saved because his foundation is on that solid Rock Christ Jesus.

I am not switching the subjects, but your accusation brings you into the forefront with your own misguided beliefs, because you say that the speaking in tongues is not the manifestation for those that receive the Holy Ghost, your not in sync with the Acts of the Apostles to which they witnessed from all those that received the Holy Spirit, they either spoke in tongues and/or prophesied.

Your belief would be troublesome to many seekers who are seeking this infilling. You would discourage them, and that would be hurtful and I would be compelled to warn them to "Mark and Avoid".

Before Paul would administer that rejection, he would go through a series of longsuffering and patience. Having God's Spirit causes us to endure with people for a long time before we bring out the ax.

Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

BUT,

Proverbs 16:20 He that handleth a matter wisely shall find good: and whoso trusteth in the LORD, happy is he.

Snuf... you eat at Waffle House a LOT, don't you.

You say something, and then you are called on it you do a 180 and start waffling.

What you have put out here in the 24 hours is a mixture of Preterism and unadulterated Replacement Theology, just as Neil pointed out. And when you get called on it you start scrambling.

Ever think of running for office? lol

By the way, anyone who has been here for any length of time knows where I stand on tongues... and what you said was incorrect about it. Not that it matters.

Krispy

..but as a Jew who has apprehended Messiah, loves Jesus, reads that kind of anti-Israel bile and venom that spews from your keyboard,

Hi Natan, There is no bile (except whats in my liver) or venom being spewed from my keyboard. Nothing could be further from the truth. I do apologize if it seems like that. But I have no hate towards natural Israel.

don't think for a second..I don't know where you are coming from.

Believe me brother, I have no idea what your talking about.

Israel is NOT in bible prophecy, only the Church is. All those prophecies concerning Israel are over. She rejected her Messiah, there will never be a return. The current state of Israel so called is the greatest deception of the 20th century upon the Church"

I should have been much clearer, my apologies.

Israel is not in any current bible prophecies, only the Church is which is made up of FIRST the Jew, then the Gentiles. There is no separate agenda for the Jews and one for the gentiles. They are now one in Christ.

This is a covenant that was made to Abraham, which by the way was a gentile, there was no such a people called the Jews at this time because Judah had not yet been born.

The covenant to which Jesus came to confirm with many for one week was the covenant that was made to Abraham the gentile and his descendants the Jews. Christ came to His own people, spent three and half years ministering the gospel to them. He healed a couple of gentiles who exhibited more faith than His own countrymen. At this time, the gentiles were not yet brought in, this was still a Jewish only message. Believe it or not, but God hadn't spoken to the Jews for a space of 400 years. His last prophet was Malachi. When Jesus came on the scene, it was "darkness and obscurity". There was very little light. And John the baptist was a light for a time for the people. But because there was no light in the city, they all came out in the wilderness searching for some divine direction. Jesus called his own people a wicked and adulterous generation, omen seekers who were only looking to have their bellies fed instead of the one who gave them miracles and truth. This was the condition of the Jewish world. Israel was out of the picture because of her breeding with Assyria.

The Gospel was to the Jewish nation to which God returned once more to save. This time the conditions were simple, receive Christ and live, or reject Christ and die. There was a reason why God stopped talking to His people for 400 years.

Can you imagine not hearing a word from God or the Urim and the Thummin, nothing? Then God returned to Israel once again. The Temple had newly been built, the Spirit of Elijah entered into John to turn the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers, but with all his ministering, he failed. The only thing that was worth it all was baptizing Jesus and then his time had come to diminish.

A ministers dread is preaching a sermon and no one responds to the call. That was John's life. Many came, listened and many left the same way they came.

This was their time but missed it. Jesus foretold many things in His parables about what they would do to Him. Not gentiles, His own. Then He said that those that would kill the Kings Son would be tossed out and given to other vine dressers that would tend His vineyards and bring in the fruit thereof.

The gospel message was a Jewish message for the Jewish people. This was their time. Many received Him on the day of Pentecost and on ward. The one hundred and forty thousand came in, a mere drop in the bucket, but that was the prophecy to which was given.

Isaiah 10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.

On the day of Pentecost, a remnant returned out of all nations.

Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

Acts 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Acts 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

If you can receive it, this is your remnant, "such as should be saved".

I do like waffles and scrambled eggs too. (hehehe)

By the way, anyone who has been here for any length of time knows where I stand on tongues... and what you said was incorrect about it. Not that it matters.

It does matter! Every iota of the word of God matters and how you or I believe it is important, that is how we can fellowship properly. If I am a Christian coming into your small home-group gathering, you would want to know what I believed. If I said to you that I believed in replacement theology (which I don't), but everything else was cool, you would take me aside and say,

"Brother, I don't mind you fellow shipping with us, your more than welcome, but I would ask that you please refrain from speaking this here". To which I would gladly do.

As for scrambling, I thought I could make a discreet exit but I couldn't, I was grabbed from behind and dragged back in, I had to respond. So I am answering.

he aint talking to me, i know that.(later addition, snuf did talk to me)

now, you being ex-Marine, and knowing how modern AirLand manuvuer warfare works, how is it, though vastly outnumbered 30 to 1 and up, do you think , just by dint of armaments or force strength, Israel has survived in that neighborhood WITHOUT the Favor of God?

he wont come clean on what he said.

you see now, Steve, why i sometimes, as a Jew, i get suspicious about some in the Church?....underneath they hate Jews, or on a political basis, they regard Israel as counterfeit. either way, it would be hypocritical of me to say, "brother, brother", to such as that.

The LUTHERAN CHURCH gave spiritual covering to the nazi's as they killed Jews in Germany, so did the roman institution, and i know Art Katz has said things against the modern state of Israel, but if the dear man were alive i'd tell him, he's wrong. Nothing against Art, but before he began to walk with God in Messiah Jesus, he was a commie atheist secular ethnic Jew.......myself, though i've been a horrendous sinner, like Abraham, i always believed God, always feared God.

this guy wont talk to me though...its probably better, Baruch HaShem.

i've heard this all before, from some Gentile followers of Messiah about Israel, the modern state of Israel being counterfeit, a "deception" and "not of God", and such rhetoric is wrong and wrong-headed. you can cherry pick Scripture all you want, but you are way off the mark.

"If you can receive it, this is your remnant".....

oh, thank you so much for that share, let me now hear what God has to say.

""I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing," declares the LORD. "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness. So then, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when people will no longer say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' but they will say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the descendants of Israel up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' Then they will live in their own land."" (Jeremiah 23:3-8)

You wont hear that from me. I think Israel is a miracle today, and I believe that God will do all that He said He would do, and fulfill all that He said He would fulfill.

Is Israel in a right relationship with God yet? Obviously no... but it will be... soon.

I love Israel. And I love the Jews. ...and I love my brutha... Neil!

Amen Rev! Hard to get around that passage!

Krispy

Snuf... when I said it doesnt matter I simply meant it doesnt matter to me whether you know or do not know where I stand on tongues.

Krispy

I've heard this all before, from some Gentile followers of Messiah about Israel, the modern state of Israel being counterfeit, a "deception" and "not of God", and such rhetoric is wrong and wrong-headed. you can cherry pick Scripture all you want, but you are way off the mark.

Really? I never heard it from nobody.

Natan, you need to stop being so passionate about your race.

The flesh profits nothing but the Spirit profits life and peace. I told you from scripture, it's up to you to believe it, and just like your Jewish ancestors, you continue to harden your heart to even what Jesus said in the gospels. If I am cherry picking scriptures, than Jesus had one big cherry harvester.

The current state of Israel is real. The counterfeit is believing that God has a separate agenda for the Church and His so called "chosen" people. The more you separate the Jews from the Church, the more you make void the cross.

The gospel message is to the Jew first than to the Gentile. That first showing doesn't negate the fact that WE are all in Christ Jesus our Lord as ONE body. I am amazed that you can't see that.

The Church is Jesus Christ, it's not Roman Catholic.

If you fail to see that both Jew and Gentiles are in Jesus Christ you have a different theology that is not found in the New Testament.

Further, if you take out the Jews from Jesus to work some separate redemption for them, than the gentiles would have to be dragged along with them because they are one with them. You can't separate Jesus Christ He is married to the Jew and Gentile and in His eyes, He sees no distinction.

oh, thank you so much for that share, let me now hear what God has to say.

God said that Elijah had come through John the baptist. Today, few believe that, they think that that prophecy is still future. But look at how Jesus says it.

Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Matthew 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

This proves to me that many don't have ears because they say with their own mouth that that prophesy is still future. Which raises many other questions, one of them being what else aren't people hearing?

"but as a Jew who has apprehended Messiah, loves Jesus, reads that kind of anti-Israel bile and venom that spews from your keyboard"

That's over the top brother. Bile and venom and spewing? I must have missed that, can someone show me where there was vile and venom and spewing? ..........brother Frank

""I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing," declares the LORD. "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness. So then, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when people will no longer say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' but they will say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the descendants of Israel up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' Then they will live in their own land."" (Jeremiah 23:3-8)

A beautiful picture Rev. I see that all happening in the first century when The Lord our Righteousness came.

On the day of Pentecost, the descendents of Israel came back from the North countries to which they were banished and they did receive the Promise of the Holy Ghost and entered into His rest.

Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Hebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

The land that God promised Abraham was an heavenly, it was the Kingdom of God. To which Jesus said, John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing," declares the LORD

Sheperds:

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

No fear or terror:

1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Nor any will be missing:

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Hebrews 13:5 I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.

We can safely update the first part, "The days came" because we know they did come.

David a righteous branch:

Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Matthew 13:54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

The Land that Abraham was looking for was not any piece of real estate on planet earth, it was an heavenly kingdom, who's builder and maker is God.

"Natan, you need to stop being so passionate about your race".

you need to read "church history" POST 315 AD to see how my "race" has been treated by some who claim Christ as Messiah, and THEN you would understand why it is today you see so few Jews within the Body of Christ, THEN you might understand why any Jew, messianic or not, is intensely passionate about the Land of Israel.

you even mention the Lovely Name of Jesus around most Jews, secular, or observant and there is an almost reflexive shudder of horror, a deeply buried HISTORICAL "dna memory" of centuries of pogroms, forced conversions, rape, murder, at the hands of those who said, "you killed our saviour, now we kill you".

why do you think Jews are suspicious and wary of Christians?

The Message is Holy, the Message is God breathed, its the "mesengers" that have done the work of their father the devil, killing, destroying, raping.

and why is it, of all the nations on this planet, ONLY ONE, has its very EXISTENCE called into question, and that one is Israel? Why do you think that is?

because satan wants to destroy it, and anybody who calls into question the existence of Israel, is nothing but a tool and a pawn of the devil.

I know Messiah has come, i know His name is Jesus, but this "protestantism", with its hundreds of denominations, and thousands of "ism's", just breaks my heart, even the very father of it all, martin luther, the last thing he wrote was called "On Jews and their Lies"....a document born from the pit of hell if there ever was, and that scarlet whore in rome, the "catholic church", what a den of vipers that is, money changers and homosexual pedophile predators, the whole adulterous brood.

Jesus wept.

what you just wrote, THIS is what's always excited and thrilled me so much:

"It meant, in God's divine foreknowledge, that these people would reject Christ as Messiah for the most part and in doing so would open the way for me, a Gentile, to enter in".

it has grieved me no end, that we, the Jews, were just going to "keep" Yahweh for ourselves, God the Father was NOT going to let that happen, such a message is written all through out the Old Testament.

i think of "old" Europe, meaning 2,000 B.C till the Birth of Messiah, how many were enslaved by paganistic "mother earth" worship? Did not they deserve to be Children of Abraham, but we didnt do it! Even Jonah moaned and pouted when the people of Nineveh came to the Lord! I want to shake him for that...Jonah!! a revival in Nineveh? who could ask for better!

When Cornelius called Peter to come minister the Word to him and kin, Peter had a vision, he was to take down the dividing line and the Provisions of God be made available to ALL FLESH!! No one was to be thought of as "unclean".

That has always excited me about Jesus and His Blood, that anyone can claim this Heavenly lineage IN Christ, and become a Child of Abraham, thats glorious.

Amazing! I asked a question but in 27 posts no one answers. We seem a little distracted don’t we? What amazes me is that no one answered the question. Did Jesus give us the testimony of Revelations for a real purpose? Were we really supposed to be able to identify the events of the end of this age or was prophecy just for interesting reading? Was God warning us about something we need to be aware of or does He just want us to go on like Israel? Then we can be swept away by the thing God warned us about! Lol.

Revelation 13:18
18This calls for wisdom. If anyone has INSIGHT, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.

Are we suppose to look into these things or not? Evidently everyone on this forum thinks the word wisdom does not mean the application of knowledge and the word insight was put there for good looks?

Oh yea. If Elijah came back as John the Baptist, why couldn’t he come again? One more thing, the covenant has always been with those who believed God. The everlasting covenant was with Abraham the father of faith.

Genesis 17:7
7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.

NOW the question was does anyone know if the Radio Frequency Identification Chips are still a part of the health care bill? I would love an answer this time! Thank you for your help!
Greg Gordon -yes we are.

you need to read "church history" POST 315 AD to see how my "race" has been treated by some who claim Christ as Messiah, and THEN you would understand why it is today you see so few Jews within the Body of Christ, THEN you might understand why any Jew, messianic or not, is intensely passionate about the Land of Israel.

Actually, I don't have to go back that far. The Holocaust is sufficient.

Yes, I have read some of the Jewish history. I have a book here called, "The Jews in the Medieval World" from 315AD-1791

In 1244 AD I was astonished by the "Charter of the Jews of the Duchy of Austria, how the Jews had come into favour of Frederick the Belligerent, to which most East European countries adopted (with a few minor changes) and masses of Jewish immigrants migrated.

There were periods of relief.

we are in the same family! that's cool!

“Thus saith Jehovah: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, then will I also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith Jehovah” (Jer. 31:37)

brother,
i saw your question, and laid low. RFID inserts into the human body is most definitely on the agenda. Obviously, there will be enormous pushback from a frightened and wary nation.

But even today, anyone can be tracked. Your cellphone is a portable GPS tracking device. These laptops, or computers we type on can be utilized as either a tracking device, OR can be configured to open up that little microphone by someone else, and you can be eavesdropped upon, if you have a webcam, this CAN be utilized to watch you, although the angle cant be manipulated.

we live in a surveillance society, and privacy is a dwindling commodity. So yes, i'm certain RFID body inserts will be the norm, but remember your credit cards, debit cards, and DL's are all being configured to RFID.

Thus saith JHVH, there are no vowels to make the name Jehovah. The Jews considered the name of God so sacred that they believed it was unpronounceable.

I hope your not a JW Rev, that would be sad.

No matter how one tries to make obscure the clear meaning of this and many, many more scriptures the truth remains.

In this verse God is saying that in no way, no how will he ever cast out
the decedents of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac ;
Even after they sinned and rebelled against him over and over again he would never stop dealing with them as his peculiar and chosen people.
This is NOT referring to the gentiles
This is NOT referring to the church.
This IS referring to the Jewish people.

No matter how one tries to make obscure the clear meaning of this and many, many more scriptures the truth remains. In this verse God is saying that in no way, no how will he ever cast out the decedents of Abraham, Jacob and Isaac ; Even after they sinned and rebelled against him over and over again he would never stop dealing with them as his peculiar and chosen people. This is NOT referring to the gentiles This is NOT referring to the church. This IS referring to the Jewish people.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a New Testament with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Romans 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Romans 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Romans 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Take a highlighter and high light the word "NEITHER".

In other translations it says, "There is no distinction".

Lets take a look at what Jesus did in bringing the Jews and the Gentiles together in Himself. Let scripture interpret scripture.

Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Ephesians 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Now here comes the sweetness of it all.

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

Ephesians 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

The chosen people of God are wrapped up in Jesus Christ along with the grafted in gentiles. There is now no distinct ethnic group. The Jew, the Arab, the American, the Canadian, the European, the Asian, the African, his identity is now Jesus Christ.

Now this is totally off topic, but I'm just curious, how old are you Snuff, if you don't mind me asking?

Now this is totally off topic, but I'm just curious, how old are you Snuff, if you don't mind me asking?

Talk about getting off topic. What doth age got to do with this topic?

The topic was about the micro chip. It seemed to have been answered and then someone mentioned that because of the microchip implantation in humans associating that with the "last days", I interjected a line of thinking that people were very sensitive. I tried to back away quietly, but the damage was already done. So, I had to speak up and clarify my words, which when I was called upon to do so was grateful. I love digging into the bible there is so much information that can be dug up and then the sweet Holy Ghost out of the blue gives revelation which solidifies the whole thing when checked and re checked.

Then the subject changed when someone said that I was anti Semitic, so I had to clarify that was not true. So the subject was changed into Israel being the special chosen race. Which is true yes in one sense, but the gentile have been incorporated with them in the inheritance making them one in Christ. Therefore there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond or free, all are one in Christ Jesus.

I think what confuses a lot of people is that they think that by saying the "church" it's meaning the "Gentile Church", which is simply untrue. What some fail to understand that this Gospel is to the Jew first and then to the Gentile.

The gospel was first presented to the Jews on the day of Pentecost. There is silence in the scriptures but we don't know how long it was between that outpouring in Jerusalem and when Philip went down into Samaria and when the Gentiles were first converted with Cornelius house. As far as Peter was concerned this was a Jewish gospel, else why would God had to show him about the sheet coming down from heaven showing all kinds of abominable meats that Jews were forbidden to eat?

Today the message of the gospel is still to the Jew first, then to the Gentile.

Romans 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. [with the Jews]

To say that God has to return to the Jew is stupid. All provisions needed for the Jews are provided for, Jesus Christ the great sacrifice said, "It is Finished". There is nothing to return to the Jew for "except you believe, you will die in your sins".

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.

Of course not!!

Just because many didn't believe doesn't mean that all don't believe. Again, going back to the day of Pentecost. We have to reiterate these things over and over because we have to keep in mind that God hasn't cast off His people whom He foreknew. Because on that day, He saved thousands and on another day another few thousand and because the scriptures are silent, there is no doubt in my mind that many more thousand were brought into the kingdom as well by personal witnessing, "such as should be saved".

Here is a verse that is so misconstrued that I do wonder if people are truly illiterate.

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
[27] For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

When did the Deliverer come? Luke 4:18

When was the New Covenant made? Luke 22:20

When was their sins taken away? Acts 2:38, Luke 1:77, Acts 10:43, Heb 10:18

[28] As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

To the Jew first then to the Gentile. Because we have been grafted into the Vine (with the Jew) we are one with the Jew, one with Jesus Christ.

My inquiry had absolutely nothing to do with this thread, which is why it was prefaced the way it was. Why not just answer my question, bro? I'm not baiting you or anything. Pure curiosity, that's all. You can PM me the answer if you don't want your age to be public knowledge for some reason. Please don't take offense.

I'll be dead before I take something like that.

That just might be the option we'll be presented with.

We will have to speak to the rock and eat mana from heaven or maybe get a value meal fromthe raven?!?!?!

How do we know that this micro chip implantation is the mark of the beast of Revelation?

Years ago someone suggested that it was, and others ran with that idea.

It's the same as when someone also misinterpreted Dan 9:27 to mean a "seven year peace treaty with Israel" and they ran with that idea and now everyone believes that that verse is speaking about an Anti Christ making a peace treaty with Israel, and there is no such information given. There is no "making" of anything, rather a "confirming of the covenant", to "fulfill the agreement" that was made to Abraham.

It was Jesus that caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease by His sacrifice. But because they did not recognize His sacrifice, they continued on with their sacrifices and God looked upon it as abominations. See Isaiah 66:3-4

Compare with Romans 15:8

For the truth sake, consider what you have come to know as truth and look at what is truth.

snufalapagus Jesus did confirm the covenant with miracles and He did put a stop for the need of the temple sacrifice and no doubt the two witnesses will confirm the covenant with miracles in tribulations or the second part of 7 years , but that is not what the scripture is talking about. If you notice it says that he will set up an abomination that causes desolation. Jesus never did this and never would. This scripture is clearly talking about anti-christ.

Daniel 9:27 (New International Version)

27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' [a] In the middle of the 'seven' [b] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. [c] " [d]

The word mark means to prick or stick with the purpose of ownership. Considering RFID CHIPS ARE in the us. passport and they are trying to put it in the us. driver's license/ID. I believe it is worthy of our undivided attention considering the magnitude of the prophecy we are talking about. WE DO NOT NEED TO BE FEARFUL. We need to be alert, awake, ready, watching ,praying and God's people ought to know what God is doing at all times. We should have the correct answer. Jesus warned us so we would prepare ourselves. Which reminds me of a scripture.

Proverbs 22:3
A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.

We need oil in our jars Matt. 25

1 Thessalonians 5:4-6 (New International Version)

4But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled.

There are over 150 chapter that talk about the end times we would do well to take them to heart.

There are only 89 in the gospels.

Revelation 1:3 (New International Version)

3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Prepare ye the way of the LORD. God bless.

Mark 13:36-37 (New International Version)

36If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping. 37What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!' "

There's no double-fulfillment of prophecy.

This statement alone shows that you have no idea of how Jews understand or view prophecy, or how the Jewish mind sees prophecy and uses midrash accordingly. The Bible is chalked FULL of multiple fulfillments of prophecy, and this idea is something Jews are quite familiar with. It would take an uninformed opinion to even begin to claim this.

Nero was AN anti-christ yes, but he was not THE man of lawlessness, who could even deceive the elect. In order for THE Anti-Christ to have come already there are many things that would have to had happen on a worldwide scale that have not happened. There is zero historical proof that this has happened. We can't just imagine that all the plagues promised and worldwide events foretold somehow completely went under the radar of worldwide history. There is no mass account of the anti-christ, and two thirds of the population being destroyed or any of that. One would think if these things happened in 70 AD that there would have been more of an account worldwide. If I explained things this way to people here in Japan, they would just scratch their head and say, "that's just historically wrong, you want me to believe THAT?". The Bible isn't outside of world history. It's the beginning of it and the basis of it. World history testifies to the validity and accuracy of the Bible, that is of course unless we choose to believe that Christ has already returned and the prophecies have been fulfilled, then we're flat on our face, and can never tell anyone that the Bible has any accurate historical basis. It will either all line up with history, or it all falls apart.

Now I've many times seen the Pretter switch gears into "what does the word 'world' really mean here" mode, but lets not even go that far. If you want to interpret world as being the known world at the time, and the super power of the world at the time, that's fine, but then you'd actually better start getting pretty afraid, because if we wish to be consistent we then have to assume that when Christ takes away the sins of the world that He only takes away the sins of that world, the known world at the time. Then it would appear that in John 3:16 That God only loved that definition of the world. Just do a word search of world or earth in the Bible, and the inconsistencies will instantly pop up.

There is too much in biblical prophecy speaking on a world wide scale that would point to any of this being accomplished and completed yet. Also if we're to think Revelation is complete and the prophecy's are fulfilled we're stuck with buggers like this Revelation 21:1
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.
Just to make sure that I hadn't missed Christ's second coming and the fulfillment of prophecy, I looked out my window before I typed this, and yup, there was the sea, still there.

We must be consistent when viewing the Word of God. The trademarks of the cults and the heretical views are inconsistency, subjective doctrinal revelation, and the almighty double standard.

It would take pages to even start pointing out the inconsistencies and double standards written in the post by savannah, and I honestly don't have the drive to do that at the moment, when I'm sure there are many other men and women on this site who won't be scared to step up to the plate for sound doctrine, and the integrity of God's Word.

http://www.moriel.org/articles/sermons/midrash.htm

YES! By the time I had finished posting I noticed that these two had sprung up below my own. If you want some rock solid doctrinal study you NEED to check out this ministry. I've met this man personally and have had the fantastic opportunity to sit under his teaching on several occasions. A true completed Jew to reckon with. Please do yourself a favor and check him and his ministry out.

Edit: I hadn't even read this article before I initially posted, I'm just familiar with Prasch's ministry and teaching. However now, after reading it, I cannot recommend it enough!
What was written in this article is HIGHLY pertinent to what has been discussed on this thread so far. If anyone with an open mind for Biblical truth is looking for some solid teaching on the prophetic and touching on the end times, I highly implore you to check this article out for yourselves.

Great advice Snuf. Are you willing to do the same?

Yes Miccah!

27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' [a] In the middle of the 'seven' [b] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. [c] " [d]

http://www.illuminati-news.com/bacon-shakespeare-james1.htm

Nowhere in the text does it say this. The poster should beware of the NIV he quotes and study to show himself approved of God.

Reply: did you know that King James was the grand mater of the masons and that the King James version of the bible was edited by Shakespeare a Rosicrucians both of these secret societies have cultic roots.

King James - The Founder of Freemason Lodges
The KJV - A Freemason Bible

The history of King James' role in the formation of Freemasonry is mandatory reading in the Hiram Key book of Masonic scrolls attempting to link Christ with the Pharaohs.
Freemasonry, in its present form, came into being through the Lodge system, established under the auspices of King James VI of Scotland, (later King James I of England), the only son of Roman Catholic Mary Queen of Scots. At the age of 37, two years after becoming a Mason, James became the first Stuart king of England and immediately began to persecute the Puritans, rejecting their petition to reform the Church of England along biblical lines.
James was initiated into Freemasonry, into the Lodge of Scoon and Perth in 1601, at the age of 35. Fifteen years after taking active control of Scotland and five years before becoming English monarch, he ordered that the Masonic structure be given leadership and organization. He made a senior Mason, named William Schaw, his General Warden of the Craft, and instructed Schaw to revamp the entire structure of Freemasonry into what it became today. Schaw commenced this project on 28th December 1598, on the orders of James.
To this day, the 1611 edition of the King James Bible remains the Freemason Bible and is the edition conventionally used in secret Masonic temple rituals.
Moriel does not, however believe that the Masonic association with the KJV or the Freemasonry of King James, founder of the Masonic Lodge system, detracts from the validity of this outdated but valid translation of the Bible. Nonetheless, it is the Freemason Bible and has been from its inception, commissioned and authorized by the same Freemason King who commissioned and authorized the Masonic Lodge structure. We can only speculate how many members of the KJV Only cult are in fact Freemasons. (Moriel thanks Mrs Sara Robinson for providing excerpts of The Hiram Key)

From Ralegh's History of the World.
Many documents influenced by Baconian philosophy--or intended m conceal Baconian or Rosicrucian cryptograms--use certain conventional designs at the beginning and end of chapters, which reveal to the initiated the presence of concealed information. The above ornamental has long been accepted as of the presence of Baconian influence and is to be found only in a certain number of rare volumes, all of which contain Baconian cryptograms. These cipher messages were placed in the books either by Bacon himself or by contemporaneous and subsequent authors belonging to the same secret society which Bacon served with his remarkable knowledge of ciphers and enigmas. Variants of this headpiece adorn the Great Shakespearian Folio (1623); Bacon's Novum Organum (1620); the St. JAMES BIBLE (1611); Spencer's Faerie Queene (1611); and Sir Walter Ralegh's History of the World (1614) (SeeAmerican Baconiana.)

Oh brother... ignorance doth abound!

80% of the KJV is the direct translation that resulted from William Tyndale's work in the 1530's. The only thing King James did was authorize the translation be made. In that time and place that was his obligation. That's it. He had nothing to do with the translating work, and if folks would do their homework they would know this.

During Queen Elizabeth's reign there had been close to 130 versions of the New Testament and the Bible circulating. Authorizing this translation was an attempt to bring some clarity and unity to the translation into English. That is why it was "authorized".

But anyway, they found that William Tyndale did a remarkable job in translating... and that's why if you stand the KJV up side by side with the Tyndale Bible there is very little difference.

Tyndale was certainly not a Mason. And neither were any of the translators in 1611 as far as I have been able to find. (If someone can prove otherwise, please tell us)

It's also wise to look into the methods that were used in the translating work, and also in the lives of the translators themselves.

I also find it inflammatory to say "KJV Only Cult". If these people are teaching the truth about salvation they are not a "Cult". This is the kind of junk ignorant people throw around in debates to make the other side look bad without actually presenting any facts.

This needs to stop.

Are there things wrong with the KJV Only crowd? Some of them yes. Does that make them a cult? No. Thats just stupid. If they are preaching salvation thru faith alone, thru Christ alone... they are not a cult. A cult is a religious system that is teaching "another gospel".

It would be nice if some folks on here would actually study a little bit before coming on here and making themselves look foolish.

Fact is most Christians today don't know what they are talking about on this subject, and that goes on both sides. But the ignorance on the side that have disgarded the KJV because it's "too hard to understand" have bought into lies, rumors and faulty reasoning. A lot of them propogated by ignorant pastors and publishing companies that make billions of $$$ printing and copyrighting new modern translations.

Krispy

I personal feel more comfortable with the more modern translations. I DO however use multiple translations in my study. With out the Holy Spirit revealing the scripture none of us will understand.

www.cuttingedge.org/news/k1002.cfm

Daniel 12:8-13 (English Standard Version)

8I heard,(A) but I did not understand. Then I said, "O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things?" 9He said,(B) "Go your way, Daniel,(C) for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. 10(D) Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but(E) the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand,(F) but those who are wise shall understand. 11And from the time that(G) the regular burnt offering is taken away and(H) the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. 12(I) Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days. 13(J) But go your way till the end.(K) And you shall rest and shall stand in your allotted place at(L) the end of the days."

we should all make sure we are in a position to hear correctly.

Revelation 1:3 (King James Version)

3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 13:9-10 (New International Version)

9He who has an ear, let him hear.
10If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is to be killed[a] with the sword,
with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

Absolutely... without the Holy Spirit we can't understand scripture.

Krispy

Rosicrucians and Freemasons led by Sir Francis Bacon had their hands all over the original 1611 King James Bible from 1610-1611. The first king James bible was introduced with satanic symbolism. You can check out to see who is www.cuttingedge.org/news/k1002.cfm really ignorant why don't you doth that.

CULT: Jehovah Witnesses have a bible? The church of latter day saints have a bible the catholics have a bible oh wait and so do the masons it is called the KJV. The devil preached the word of God to the Word of God, give me a break.I WOULD RATHER USE MULTIPLIABLE VERSIONS. Now excuse me while I crawl back on the alter.

will some body please answer the question?

I'm partial to the ESV translation, i don't really know or care what exactly a freemason is, except that its one of the goofy secret societies that fella's who wore their pants too high up as kids, join...and i dont have an RFID chip implanted in me, as far as i know....next.

I do not watch any TV. By the way God was the one who told me I need to know who the free masons were. Oh yea these geeks only control the IMF. world bank and the fed. And for the fist time in history we see them telling contries what to do in plain view: Greece.

Oh by the way that is the same thing they will tell us when our economy collapses. Just take this little mark we will bail you out. We really do not need to be aware of what's going on it's only the most warned about time in the bible . God probably just put those 150 chapters in the bible just for good reading.

Somebody has watched "National Treasure" a few too many times.

It's a movie... it's not real!

Krispy

you wrote:

"I do not watch any TV. By the way God was the one who told me I need to know who the free masons were. Oh yea these geeks only control the IMF. world bank and the fed. And for the fist time in history we see them telling contries what to do in plain view: Greece.

Oh by the way that is the same thing they will tell us when our economy collapses. Just take this little mark we will bail you out. We really do not need to be aware of what's going on it's only the most warned about time in the bible . God probably just put those 150 chapters in the bible just for good reading. "

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ok...i dont watch TV, who cares. God told you to know who the freemasons are...good. Now you know. and you've divined that they run the IMF, World Bank and the Federal Reserve, so be it, i'll go one further and say the "god of this age" runs such institutions, tell me something new.

and if you think the situation in Greece is the first time such institutions have acted in concert to stem financial market dislocations, think again. Greece is not a recent phenom.

so when you write, "when our economy collapses", that ship sailed the harbor, its already collapsed, and it's all in God's will, because for many decades now, thru both democratic and republican administrations, we have been a nation that WORSHIPS money, WORSHIPS power, and the chickens are coming home to roost, we strut about having the audacity to call ourselves a "superpower" in craven defiance of the REAL SUPERPOWER, His Name be Yahweh, and He is a Jealous God, He will brook no interlopers, he will brook no idols set before Him, set before Jesus, the Name of Whom every knee shall bow, and bow they shall, broken, idols smashed.

and these idols take the form of our weaponry which we place so much dependence on, our legions who we rely on, and God has raised up two powers to the East, one is Persia (Iran) the other is China, one worships a false god, the other is godless and both are ancient kingdoms now in ascendancy, and they will join together, one has the oil, the other has the billions of people to sacrifice in open war, and they will completely salt our nation with fire, because WE who have been given so much, so much in resource, so much in freedom, our Constitution, have completely failed God, and what you are seeing is God saying ENOUGH, i realized this when i saw many saints seduced by political entities in 2002, as we prepared to "eat babylon", that is to invade Iraq, pre-emptive, and such conflict laid out before the people on a foundation of lies...lies, with elements of the church giving cover to such wickedness by saying that we have a "godly" President, and such endeavour be a "just war"...amny many threads on this very forum at that time, and now the we all will pay the price for our national wickedness.

from one end of the another, our beautiful "Zion" will be salted with fire and destroyed by those two kingdoms God has raised up to chatise us all. if there was ever a time to beg God for mercy, it is now. But the question, is it too late? i don't know that....all i know is to throw ourselves on His mercy and repent of ALL our national sins, and not only to confine these confessions to the hell of abortion and homosexual marriage, for there are so many more. But maybe its too late, because the very saints God has entrusted with the Ministry of Christ Crucified have fornicated with those in power who tickle their ears.

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later add: i had to stop. my heart is so heavy within me, this all has been welling up in my soul for weeks, and Praise God, i'm out of the city, in the backwoods, and all i really want to do, what i need to do, is to go into the woods, Scripture in hand, and lay on face and plead to God to stay His Hand, beg Him speak to me, beg Him cleanse me, start with me, Lord..no matter the cost, the price, just let me hear Your Voice Jesus, no matter how hard Your Word, i know You have prepared Rooms in the Heavenly Jerusalem, and Lord, all i ask is what the first apostles asked of You, "Increase our Faith". please have mercy Jesus, increase our Faith.

I agree with a lot of what Neil just said. Not all of it, but a lot of it.

Freemasons are old news. It's like debating over JW's. They are not that infuential. And even if they were, I know One who is way more influential, and in fact I say He is in control... absolute and complete control.

Krispy

That is all a part of their conditioning to make you think it is is only a move. It's called slides the CIA. uses the same kind of mind control. The logic behind it is if you make it seem foolish the people will not look in depth for fear of being labeled foolish just like my comrades are doing right now. You see the devil is the ruler of the worldly system according to the bible and he uses the pride of life all the time to trick God's people. The devil knows that if he can get you to harden your heart or close you ears it will disconnect you from revelation.

Matthew 13:15 (New International Version)

15For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts

Ephesians 4:17-18 (New International Version)

Living as Children of Light

17So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.

Both of these scriptures talk about not being able to hear God correctly.

At the 33 degree level of the masons they give you a 2 headed phoenix it is called Manon Ra.

Daniel 11:38 (New Living Translation)

38 Instead of these, he will worship the god of fortresses—a god his ancestors never knew—and lavish on him gold, silver, precious stones, and expensive gifts.

At the core of the doctrines of these secret society is the temple of Solomon. Why? The Lesser key of Solomon- witch craft and the occult- the control of demons and the anti- christ is suppose to sit in it and proclaim himself to be God according to the bible.

Daniel 11:31-36 (New Living Translation)

31 “His army will take over the Temple fortress, pollute the sanctuary, put a stop to the daily sacrifices, and set up the sacrilegious object that causes desecration.[a] 32 He will flatter and win over those who have violated the covenant. But the people who know their God will be strong and will resist him.

33 “Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed. 34 During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere. 35 And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

36 “The king will do as he pleases, exalting himself and claiming to be greater than every god, even blaspheming the God of gods. He will succeed, but only until the time of wrath is completed. For what has been determined will surely take place.

SHOULD WE KNOW OUR ADVERSARY? Evedently not according to most on this forum.

does the bible say any thing about these people?

Revelation 2:24 (New International Version)

24Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned

:::::Satan's so-called deep secrets (I will not impose any other burden on you):

Revelation 3:3 (New International Version)

But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief,

:::::and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Mark 13:37 (New International Version)

37What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!'

people open your eyes. It seems to me most every one here must know to much to be taught anything. I wonder if any one
has even looked into the question that was asked?

2 Thess. talks about people being swept away by a powerful delusion for refusing to believe the truth. Just saying we would do well to head the Lords instructions instead of calling people ignorant and foolish. He said watch and pray. watch means to look into! God wants us ready WITH AN ANSWER!

Daniel 11:33-35 (New International Version)

33 "Those who are WISE will INSTRUCT many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered. 34 When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them. 35 Some of the WISE will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the TIME OF THE END, for IT WILL STILL COME at the appointed time.

ARE YOU READY?

The following is a excerpt from a HOME LAND SECURITY REPORT labeled Right wing Extremism.

(U) Economic Hardship and Extremism
(U//FOUO) Historically, domestic rightwing extremists have feared, predicted, and
anticipated a cataclysmic economic collapse in the United States. Prominent
antigovernment conspiracy theorists have incorporated aspects of an impending
economic collapse to intensify fear and paranoia among like-minded individuals and to
attract recruits during times of economic uncertainty. Conspiracy theories involving
declarations of martial law, impending civil strife or racial conflict, suspension of the
U.S. Constitution, and the creation of citizen detention camps often incorporate aspects of
a failed economy. Antigovernment conspiracy theories and “END TIMES” prophecies could
motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition, and weapons.
These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist
individuals and groups in the past, such as VIOLENT CHRISTIAN Identity organizations and extremist.

We do not need to be afraid but ready in China they teach their children how to endure toucher so they will not give up the church. What do we teach our children. If there is no need why teach? just saying!

Revelation 13:9-10 (New International Version)

9He WHO HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR.
10If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is to be killed[a] with the sword,
with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

WHO ARE THE SAINTS ? AREN'T THEY THE BODY OF CHRIST - THE CHURCH? IF REV. IS WRITTEN TO THE CHURCHES DO YOU THINK THE CHURCH WILL BE HEAR TO BENEFIT FROM THE LETTERS TO THE CHURCHES?

Revelation 1:3 (New International Version)

3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it,BECAUSE the time is NEAR.

Revelation 1:4 (New International Version)

4John,
TO the seven CHURCHES in the province of Asia:

REV. 2
11He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death

REV 2
17He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.

REV. 2:29He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

REV. 3:6He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

REV. 3:13He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

REV.3:22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

Revelation 14:12-13 (New International Version)

12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

REV. 14: 13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on."
"Yes," says the Spirit, "they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them."

Daniel 12:9-10 (New International Version)

9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.

we can travel any where in the world with in 24 hours.(many will go to and fro

The End Times

1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise [a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the TIME OF THE END. Many will GO HERE AND THERE to increase knowledge."

Hold on... let me go get my aluminum foil hat!

Krispy

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was talking to Natan4Jesus by the way what is the hat for expecting UFOS or something?

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the watch man must sound the trumpet. Ezekiel 33

if we do not we will be accountable for their blood.

Daniel 11:33-34 (New International Version)

33 "Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered. 34 When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them.

God bless!

I'm just pickin' on ya a little... just funnin' ya.

Krispy

bless you!!!!!!!!!!

you wrote:

"was talking to Natan4Jesus by the way" which is what i assume your "treasures" post was directed at me?

yes?

i felt as if you were adressing me as somebody who was disagreeing with what you wrote, did you actually read my post prior?....and then i'll continue.

because if you didnt read what i wrote or i wasnt clear enough, your post to me seems rather bizarre. You think i'm trying to tear you down? or to denigrate what you say?

no....read my post prior, what i am saying is that our destruction is nigh at hand, BUT DO NOT FEAR, because as Jesus suffered, so shall we, but only for a short while.

so lets talk TO each other, not AT, if i have been guilty of such, forgive me.

No. The treasure post was directed at krispy. I agree with you . in fact I said it sounds like me and you are listening to the same phone call!

Krispy said:

80% of the KJV is the direct translation that resulted from William Tyndale's work in the 1530's. The only thing King James did was authorize the translation be made. In that time and place that was his obligation. That's it. He had nothing to do with the translating work, and if folks would do their homework they would know this.

Correct, very good!!