I found this debate interesting "Trinity in the Old Testament"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv5fI2asNqg&feature=related

Trinity in the Old Testament

Most interesting to me was his verses dealing with the angel of the lord in the old testament.

thoughts?

God says my people shall know my name. We are given the personal names of both our Father and our Brother, His Son, in the Old Testament. There is no personal name for God's spirit. In the New Testament we see the adjective 'holy' and the impersonal noun 'spirit' . Can you explain this in relation to God's promise that we, HIS people, know HIS name???

Not knowing the name of the Holy Spirit does not exclude him from elohim that would be an eisigetical mistake on our parts to make such an assumption. Elohim existed before man knew the father or even the Sons name. Baptism is in the NAME OF THE FATHER , AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

the term "and of" the Holy Spirit implicitly implies the Holy Spirit does indeed have a name simply JHVH(in my opinion).

AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

AND =kahee
Apparently a primary particle, having a copulative and sometimes also a cumulative force; [and, also], even, so, then, too, etc.; often used in connection (or composition) with other particles or small words: - and, also, both, but, even, for, if, indeed, likewise, moreover, or, so, that, then, therefore, when, yea, yet.

HOLY =hag'-ee-os
From ἅγος hagos (an awful thing) sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated): - (most) holy (one, thing), saint.

SPIRIT =pnyoo'-mah
a current of air, that is, breath (blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or ***(divine) God****, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit: - ghost, life, spirit (-ual, -ually), mind.

pnyoo'-mah in the spiritual sense can be angel,demon or divine God.

from Hebrews 2 we know that the spirit of Christ can not be the spirit of an angel. We certainly know it can not be a demon. Which leave only one logical conclusion as to the nature of Christ spirit. The only option we are left with after elimination is Divine God which is supported by scripture.

I think of it as knowing someones surname or family name but not knowing the first name. There are allot references to the Holy Spirit being God in the new testament to choose from so ill leave that for another thread

the question of the promise of knowing his name is misleading. From the very beginning God has progressively being revealing himself to his people. in Genesis 1 he was elohim it wasnt to later he revealed himself as I AM. Later we see the Son manifested in the flesh and revealed as Jesus Christ. Father , son and spirit are JHVH. Think about this is Gods name the same on the other side of eternity? When God promised we would know his name when do you think this promised is fully fulfilled?

In the olden days english names like smith, gardener, carpenter etc were most likely derived by the "Family" characteristics or occupation. God has progressively revealed himself. He is what he is and will be what he will be.

The Holy Spirit came upon marry and what was conceived was the manifested son of God. If the Holy Spirit did not possess JHVH DNA then why did the father send the Spirit to come upon mary to conceive Jesus?

1. Are you saying that the Holy Spirit does not have a separate will and personality to the Father and Son?

2. If you say the Holy Spirit is not God then what scriptural evidence do you have to back this up. Does it say anywhere that the Holy Spirit is just an angel and not God.

3.We all know el-o-heem' is plural* el-o-heem says come let US make man in OUR own image.

How could God say "let us", "in our own image" if Jesus and the Holy Spirit did not share in his divine nature and essense?

In creation we can see that the holy Spirit was present and active. We see later on in the bible Jesus was also present and everything that was made was made through him and we know the father was present. el-o-heem' can also a times be used for angels but in the context of genesis only three persona's (eloheem) were present.

When elohim was speaking in Genesis do you think he was speaking in aramaic or hebrew? JHVH is a hebrew name for the supreme being when we get to eternity and have the lords name stamped on our foreheads what language will it be written in.

will we all be speaking Hebrew or Aramaic in heaven? of for that matter will things be written in those Aramaic in heaven?

How profitable are debates?

Years ago Bob Harrington used to debate Madelyn Murray O'Hare. Madelyn remained an atheist still and Bob? Today he is more of a motivational speaker then an evangelist. Who profited from those debates? I do not know but I do know Romans 1:29 mentions debate among other sins...

I am well aware the early Anabaptists - before they were called such - used to have many discussions with the reformers on doctrinal issues. Did anyone ever convince the other side to the rightness of their positions? I never read where this was considered an effective tool in convincing their distractors. But a life lived was a far more effective witness.

Do these debates settle any questions or do they fuel them for those who work to justify perversion of the Truth?

Observations

1. The book of revelation is a book of prophesy relating to the ends times and maters of eschatology. The fact that 7 Spirits of God were mentioned is not to be used in contradicting prior teachings of the holy spirit within the gospels and the epistles. The book of revelation conatins alegorical symbolism that relate to end time eschatology. Extrapulating doctrine from revalation on the Holy Spirit will lead to an unscriptural eisegesis.

The scripture is quiet clear about the Spirit being a person
Jesus said HE will not SPEAK of HIS own BUT only what HE HEARS

He possesses a mind a will and emotions that scripture demonstrates.

Impersonal Holy Spirit ?

Can an impersonal Spirit be Grieved and offended?

Eph 4:30 "but loo-peh'-o [greieve] not the Holy Spirit of God"

loo-peh'-o
to distress; reflexively or passively to be sad: - cause grief, grieve, be in heaviness, (be) sorrow (-ful), be (make) sorry.

2. Blaspemy
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you,All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

blas-fay-me'-ah
vilification (especially against God): - blasphemy, evil speaking, railing.

Jesus was clearly God but he said the most unforgiveable of act of blasphemy was against the Holy Spirit.

If the Holy spirt was impersonal how can he be blasphemed against?

Did the apostle peter say the Holy Spirit was God?
Acts 5:4-10 (New International Version)
3Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the HOLY SPIRIT and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
4Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? YOU HAVE NOT LIED TO MEN BUT TO GOD."
5When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.
7About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8Peter asked her, "Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?""Yes," she said, "that is the price."9Peter said to her, " HOW COULD YOU AGREE TO TEST THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also."10At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband.

KOINOIA

how can you fellowship with and impersonal force?

The Holy Spirit is God. We do not worship him he simply points us to the lord.

This is very dangerous ground.

So if someone denies the doctrine of the Trinity, it that heresey? I'm not trying to start somthing here, and hope nobody else does either, but I've always thought that denial of the Trinity was heresey and that true Christians affirmed that doctrine.

So Phanetheus, it seems you believe in a Bi-unity view of the Godhead. Interesting. Never heard of that view before until now. I am Trinitarian myself. I started off being confused between Oneness and Trinitarian and finally was convinced of the Trinity after serious study. Up until recently, I've always considered the Oneness doctrine to be extremely heretical and outside of orthodox Christianity. The reason I'm more open to accepting Oneness folk as brethren is because I met an older lady that held that view, who seemed to be a true believer. She attends a Trinitarian church and seems to be spirit-filled, and we agreed in many other areas. So if you are Bi-unitarian I am open to accepting you as a brother. I write all this for the sake of those who believe we cannot accept anyone as a brother who does not believe in the Trinity. I invite any input from any who disagree with my stance.

I'm pretty sure that the Scriptures don't explicitly require belief in the "Trinity" for salvation......HOWEVER, Faith is defined as believing HE is God and will diligently reward those who seek HIM. Knowing who HE is as HE reveals Himself to be seems to be a definition of living faith. Meeting this test would seem to require first, sufficient revelation of the truth of who HE is, which is the crux of the discussion. IF you say HE is this but not that and you are wrong, where does that put you?

Allow me to clarify- I'm not questioning those who are unaware or ignorant concerning the doctrine of the Trinity, but rather those who explicitly deny the doctrine. I know that Oneness Pentocostaly affirm baptism for forgivness of sins as well. Sooo... denial= heresey?

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So if someone denies the doctrine of the Trinity, it that heresey? I'm not trying to start somthing here, and hope nobody else does either, but I've always thought that denial of the Trinity was heresey and that true Christians affirmed that doctrine.
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Jlosindki,

I used to work with a couple who were Apostolic. Her husband and I were talking one day and he said they were Pentecostal. And I asked him if they believed in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues and he said yes, they did!

Denial of the trinity and trinitiarianism are both man-made doctrines, imho. I could be wrong but I humbly submit that because both Apostolics and Christians receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost along with the gift of tongues (edit: as well as all the other gifts) that this (to me) proves that God does NOT differentiate between either belief that Jesus is God, Son and Spirit and Three in One believers!

God bless you,
Lisa

Yes, denial of the trinity is heresy.

I know that there are certain doctrines which are essential to Christianity and salvation. But I'm not too sure if the Trinity is one of those essentials, especially after meeting that lady I mentioned earlier. I'm sure you guys know how when you meet someone sometimes you connect in a certain way and you have a sense that they are a true believer after talking with them a few minutes. That's what I sensed with this lady. I did not even know she was Oneness until after we had a lengthy conversation about the things of God, things like the deity of Christ, having a heart for seeking the lost, loving and serving the Lord in the midst of trials, etc. It was surprising because I had met Oneness people before but never really felt any connection like with this elderly lady.
I know for sure that the Deity of Christ has to be an essential because Jesus makes that very clear in the gospels. He said, "unless you believe that I AM He you will die in your sins."(John 8:24) The word "He" is not in the original Greek so He actually stated that He is the "I AM" of Ex.3:14.

Like most people i try to avoid christian dogma like the plague. Many scriptural things have been worked into modern day christian theology somethings are damnable others not so damnable. If we are honest and meek we will realize at some point as much as we think we know God we haven't even begun to scratch the surface. When we get to the point where we are literally dying of a hunger for God we then give up ideology and lean not on or own understanding. There will be times like myself where you will think you are right only for Gods spirit of truth to lead you to the truth of a matter. As long as we are not blind he will have no problem leading us. Pride is something we have to be conscious of so we don't get puffed up.

There are two questions though: 1. In considering the Holy Spirit as someone separate and distinct in person from our Father and our Brother, does this in any way direct attention towards something other than Christ Jesus or Abba?

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit only speaks what he hears our lord speak and he will always glorify Jesus.

10"Do you not believe that (N)I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? (O)The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.

The Holy Spirit speaks as God because he is God. In Acts we see numerous occasions when we see the Spirit speak "Expressly" with very coherent instructions to the apostles. When i pray if the Spirit speaks to me i respond to God not to the Holy Spirit (This is something the Holy Spirit corrected in me as i had learnt error). Prayer in the Holy Ghost to me is the most effective prayer you can pray. The bible says that the spirit knows the mind of a man then it talks of the Holy Spirit knowing the mind of God. Thats why the Holy Spirit can reveal God to us because he is God and he knows the mind of God.

2. Since thinking the Holy Spirit is a distinct and seperate individual united with Father and Son, why not pray to Him?

Jesus gave a format for prayer before his crucifixion. When the Spirit was poured out of heaven on pentecost a dimension of prayer (prayer in the Spirit) was now available to as believers. The Father Glorifies the Son The Son Glorifies the Father and the Spirit Glorifies and points to the Son. None of the Godhead seem to want to Glorify themselves. When Jesus was on earth he didnt Glorify himself. So now the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of the Son is here with us it makes sense that he would not want to Glorify himself either.

In light of new testament scripture it is virtual impossible to infer with sound hermeneutics that the Holy Spirit is not indeed a distinct individual.
Some will say that the use of IT/HE might mean the holy spirit was only referred to as a HE in a similar allegorical fashion to Wisdom. The difference is demonstrable by scripture
1.The Spirit has a will

2.He hears

3.Speaks expressly

4.Has koinioia with us(fellowship of the holy spirit)

5.Makes intercession on our behalf when we pray in the spirit as we don't know what we really should be praying for.

6.Teaches and leads us

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

7.Comforter

7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Both whether we infer the God-head is comprised of two or three or even just one. This is most likely inferred from scripture implicitly as to the best of my knowledge i can find a scripture that says

"I am your god, and the God head comprises of 5.257 parts". To so God doesn't exist so he is 0 to others there are many Gods so they would have the number at infinity.

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Gods nature and essence is an absolute truth and not a relative one.
God said he would not give his children a stone if the ask for bread and i believe him. Its the devil that gives stone in place of bread *think about it stone for bread*

{Edited for clarity}

Some JW's say the Holy Spirit is just a force of God. We all know the Spirit is the dunamis (power) of God.

Carnally energy has various forms from kinetic, to chemical to solar etc. As human beings we are move when our muscles provide the force for movement.
Because we posses the ability to digest organic material and produce energy to run does this power we posses make us cease to be sentient beings?

Like i would say to JW's the fact that the Holy Spirit is dunamis doesnt infer he is not a person. I have often asked for another example of an impersonal spirit in the bible (one without demonstrable consciousness) but there doesn't seem to be such a thing as a spirit that is not personable in context of spirit beings. I have tried looking for a spirit that is not a being but cant seem to find one.

If i said
"a man walked into a room and began to talk and i noticed a "spirit of humility" ."

I can either be talking about an impersonal disposition or an actual spirit being of humility.
hermaneutically i cant infer either. But if the next lines reads

"he was taught and filled with the spirit of humility. The spirit of humility would rebuke and correct him in times of arrogance."

then we can infer that "the spirit of humility" is a personable being simply by its characteristics

if the next line instead read
"Youngsters these days can learn a thing or two from this mans disposition"
We can infer the opposite.

But its not always as clear cut because of parallel truths in regard to God (the cause of allot of error in the church). Because i could in fact be inferring that a spirit being is responsible for the mans disposition in which case both notions can be inferred but neither can be excluded.

This is the exegesis i come to in relation to the Holy Ghost its the power of God personified in his Spirit and looking at the acts of the apostles after Pentecost. The Holy Spirit spoken of in Acts is not an allegorical personification as the book of Acts is an historical account of the Acts of the apostles and not poetry. So to infer allegory from an historical account is very inaccurate.

Here are just a few scriptures mainly from Acts to consider about the Holy Spirit

Acts 5:29-32 (New International Version)

29Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men! 30The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead—whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree. 31God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. 32We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."

Acts 13:4 (New International Version)

4The two of them, sent on their way by the Holy Spirit, went down to Seleucia and sailed from there to Cyprus.

Acts 15:28 (New International Version)

28It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:

Acts 16:6 (New International Version)

6Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia.

Acts 20:23 (New International Version)

23I only know that in every city the Holy Spirit warns me that prison and hardships are facing me.

Acts 20:28 (New International Version)

28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.[a] Be shepherds of the church of God,[b] which he bought with his own blood.

Acts 21:11 (New International Version)

11Coming over to us, he took Paul's belt, tied his own hands and feet with it and said, "The Holy Spirit says, 'In this way the Jews of Jerusalem will bind the owner of this belt and will hand him over to the Gentiles.' "

1 Corinthians 6:19 (New International Version)

19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, WHO is in you, WHOM you have received from God? You are not your own;

**Temple of the holy spirit? why does and inanimate force need a temple?**

Psalm 51:9-13 (New International Version)

9 Hide your face from my sins
and blot out all my iniquity.

10 Create in me a pure heart, O God,
and renew a steadfast spirit within me.

11 Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me.

12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation
and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me.

13 Then I will teach transgressors your ways,
and sinners will turn back to you.

To original post:

It is heresy to deny the trinity. But that is not to say that all Christians understand the trinity. I had to study a great deal as a new Christian before I came to understand the Spirit (not that I am some expert). Very simply, the Holy Ghost is God. Not an expression of God, but God Himself.

Who raised Jesus from the dead? The Spirit. Who moved upon the face of the waters at the creation? The Spirit. Who was sent to testify to the churches? The Spirit. What person of the trinity lives in the believer? The Spirit.

So if someone said that the Spirit was just an expression of God, some questions to ask are:

-Why does the Bible say that the Spirit talks?

-Allows?

-Forbids?

-Searches?

Just as only a person can love, only a person can do these things. Like so many other things in the Scripture, only the Spirit can teach someone the things of the Spirit. Saul knew the law, but only the Spirit could teach Paul what it meant. I don't expect the unregenerate to understand. They must repent first. And even then, the way we are taught after we are saved is a mystery.

I wrote this for a school assembly some years ago. Please feel free to use it or copy it if you think it would be helpful...

http://mp3.biblebase.com/download_119.html

One does not have to 'deny' the trinity in order to not believe in it. I don't think so and I do believe in the trinity but I'm certainly not arrogant enough to say Jesus Only people are heretics. BUT I am stating that God doesn't care near as much as "men" do about Jesus Only or the Trinity.

I would like to reiterate my reasons for saying that God doesn't get near as bent out of shape about it as some of you do:

Do you believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost?
Do you believe in all the gifts in operation in the church today?

#1) SOMEBODY please explain why God gives the SAME giftings to the Apostolic church as those who are in the "Trinity" camp? If God lumps us all together and makes no Biblical distinction between us, why do you persist?

#2) Luke 11.13 - "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

So if it's heresy, which one of you is going to say that Apostolic's are not the children of God? Do you even dare to know the will of God? Have we become that arrogant?

This is one of the meanings of heresy:
an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma

Dogma:
a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative WITHOUT adequate grounds
http://www.merriam-webster.com

Jesus said, "it is in vain they worship Me, teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men."
~ Matt 15.9 Philips

God help us all,
Lisa

In John 7:17 is the promise that "If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine..." Indeed, God is the source of truth - in fact, He is truth! What better way to receive understanding and revelation than to ask directly of Him?

Another way to look at John 7:17 is that the more you grow in your relationship with God, the clearer it would be as to which doctrines are true and which are not.

A good analogy would be a baby and his mother. A baby is able to recognize the voice, smell of his mother. He knows her intimately! - though he does not know his mother's name, her occupation or even her gender. He will come to know these facts as he grows in his relationship with his mother.

This analogy is particularly strong - especially when our relationship with God the Father is described as a parent-child relationship. Jesus also says that "My sheep will know my voice".

So while Christians might not start out with perfect theology, their understanding will be perfected as they grow in the Lord. This includes the correct Trinitarian understanding of the Godhead.

In light of this, I believe the correct question to ask is not whether one needs to believe in Trinitarian doctrine to be saved - but whether one has a relationship with God, which is the *only* requisite for salvation (Romans 10:9). As you grow in your relationship with God, you will come to see - and experience - Him in His Trinitarian fullness.

Non-Trinitarian views of God, when carried to their natural conclusions, lead to practices which are contradictory to the Christian faith. I have a friend whose church some years ago adopted Arianism, thus denying the deity of Jesus Christ. Some members of his congregation later found themselves difficult in praising or worshiping Jesus - why praise a lesser being than God Himself? Again, it is written that only God is to be worshiped.

Personally, I am contented with the fact that greater saints have wrestled with the doctrine of the Holy Trinity - and they unanimously affirmed it, not only scripturally but also by their own experiences with God. No revival in history has ever emerged from non-Trinitarian churches.

The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is fundamental, because it goes to the very heart of the character, nature, and being of God, and it also describes the kind of relationship which we have with Him. The Word of God is still the final authority on doctrinal matters - but I would tremble if my theological deductions and understanding of God flatly contradicts that of saints who knew Him far more intimately than I do.

You've misunderstood my post for the most part.

As I've said, the doctrine of the Holy Trinity is fundamental to the character, being, nature of God, and also our relationship with Him. There can be charitable differences on certain points e.g. on water baptism - that is not to say there isn't a correct answer to these matters, but unlike Trinitarian doctrine they do not fundamentally define our relationship with God.

God used Whitefield (a Calvinist), and Wesley (an Arminian) - but there has never been a revival among non-Trinitarian churches. And certainly God will ensure that the people whom He uses bear witness to the truth. There is complete unanimity on the doctrine of the Holy Trinity among godly men, across all countries and all cultural backgrounds - the Wesleys, Whitefield, Ravenhill, Hudson Taylor, Studd, Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, John Sung, and so on...in fact, they were passionate about it.

You are correct that having correct theology doesn't necessarily mean that you have a relationship with God - just as someone who is able to name all the facts about your mother (name, gender, occupation, eye colour...) doesn't mean that he knows her. However, if someone were to claim to know your mom, yet asserts that she has brown eyes when they are in fact blue - you would naturally be wary of his claims.

On the issue of salvation I had written:

"In light of this, I believe the correct question to ask is not whether one needs to believe in Trinitarian doctrine to be saved - but whether one has a relationship with God, which is the *only* requisite for salvation (Romans 10:9). As you grow in your relationship with God, you will come to see - and experience - Him in His Trinitarian fullness (John 7:17)."

I should assert again that one is not saved on the basis of correct doctrine, but through our relationship with the real God. Our salvation is through believing in Jesus, not believing certain things about Jesus.

So let us take hold of the promise that God teaches and corrects His children in all things, including correct doctrine. I find this assurance to be of tremendous comfort.

You are correct that having correct theology doesn't necessarily mean that you have a relationship with God

If the law of our God is not written in our hearts by the Holy Ghost it is possible to have "correct theology"?

Jesus came to bare witness of the truth, he sent another in his stead, that is the very spirit of truth.

A baby does not need to understand the bio chemistry involved in converting its mothers milk into energy to grow cells, but they are born with a physiological response that produces the hunger that drives them to feed.

I think its the same with the Holy Ghost and Gods word. New born babes should seek the "sincere milk" of the word that they may grow as peter would say. Later as the child matures it understands things it previously didn't.

I think the final stage of our understanding is when we behold that which is perfect face to face.

Someone point me to where Jesus is at, where people are convicted of sin, regenerated, walking in the spirit, filled with the spirit and living as the salt and the light of the word being fruitful and saving souls for the kingdom thats where i yearn to be.

Phaney,
I think you have a point with Roman catholic theology. There might well be elements of Catholicism still deeply en-grained within our theology today. But as long as we keep on fellowshiping with the Spirit of truth, im sure he will do his part and teach us the essential truth.

If the law of our God is not written in our hearts by the Holy Ghost it is possible to have "correct theology"?