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God is a girl?

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Crux

The shack like the pagan message bible is some more christian literature ready for the bonfire. It's the whole mother goddess thing again.
Infact these two books are a good measuring stick as to how much your pastor doesn't care about you, and how much that pastor should be kicked out of the church.
The last time I checked it was our FATHER who art in heaven...
What do you think?

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sermonindex

"What do you think?

really want to know?.....ok, here:

"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things".

Philippians 4:8 (ESV)

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Crux

It is good to think upon the fact that God (the Trinity) is all male.
Genesis 18:2
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

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sojourner7

GOD is Spirit, and HE was made
flesh in Christ, the Son of HIS
glory and love!!

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Crux

Father(Male) Son(Male) Spirit(Male)
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,


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I read The Shack. Wish I had not. It has some of the worst theology of anything I have ever read. The author does not even claim to believe orthodox Christianity, yet it is one of the most popular books among Christians. What a shame. I mean sham.

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There are several threads about the SHACK down below, here on the forum. Generally, it has been dubbed, rightfully so, as the New age Pagan guided imagery and cultic fiction that it is.

I don't guess that it is sin to get caught up exploring so called literature like this, but dwelling on it afterwards is a little redundant and negative. Thanks however, for bringing it up again, so we will remember that the primary sign of the last days is deception, and the falling away that first must occur, rather than a roadmap to revival.

The Lake of Fire never stops burning...and true love is to save souls from that flame the only way possible....that they would believe and recieve the Savior Jesus, and His shed Blood for the death they deserve. It is blasphemy to consider Him female. The only female entities in the entire Bible[angelic and heavenly..]are demons.

This manifest oracle that sages THE SHACK is indeed that.

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Crux

May the authors of those books get saved and turn from their works if it is still possible for them.

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I did not like the book either, but thankfully the Lord is more merciful and long-suffering than you are apparently.

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Matthew2323

HomeSkoolDad,

Amen.

In regards to your previous comment about the books popularity, why do you think this book was read on such a large scale? What was the author's point (besides his wicked agenda to re-define God is his image) that resonated with people?

I've read most of it and agree with your shame/sham comment, btw.

Grace and Peace,
Matthew

PS Do you teach your children spelling in skool? :)
PPS If you have a spare moment drop by the forums over at http://www.familymanweb.com/

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mguldner

I have never heard of the Shack, I must totally live in a hoval or something :), I never intend on reading it now either though. If I did read it though I would hope that God would give me some discernment in regards to the content. But thank you all for the warning, but really these days I have been sticking to the bible and older literature such as Jonathan Edwards and John Bunyan.

Well Thanks again!
Matthew

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God is a girl? ...

'It is good to think upon the fact that God (the Trinity) is all male.' Genesis 18:2

Um... God is not without His feminine side, else how could the first 'man', made in the image of Elohim (plural) bring a womb-man out of Adam's side; 'male and female created He them'?

Also, the Holy Spirit's ministry - Paraclete (called-along-side), or 'Comforter', to lift up the things of Christ (husband and Head), is a distinctly non-male role. Having said that, one could say it is a natural part of a father's heart to be with his son in spirit all the time.

Equally, one could say that after Paul was converted and full of the Holy Spirit, he could write things like 1 Thess 2:7 But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children'. Surely this was a transformation from the macho-man who previously Acts 9:1 ... yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest'.

Paul recalled his previous state here: Galatians 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it'. And, Acts 26: 9 I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. 10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against [them]. 11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled [them] to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted [them] even unto strange cities'.

But when the Holy Spirit was filling Him day by day, he behaved like a ... father? Do father's 'nurse' their children? Apparently so. But, within the natural human realm, this task usually falls to the womb-man.

He also wrote (of men): Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.


I hope it's clear I'm not saying 'God is a girl'. Far from it. But, to understand PURE, TRUE 'male'ness, you have to have what this world calls His 'feminine side'.

It is God Himself who describes Himself this way. Girls are ... of Him.


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sermonindex

Matthew,

We are told in scripture that in the end times people would not tolerate sound doctrine, but instead would "heap teachers" onto themselves who would tell them what they want to hear. That is why a book like The Shack can become so popular among ignorant spiritually lazy Christians. That is why when I recommend a book by John MacArthur or John Piper to most Christians they look at me strangly and ask "John who? Never heard of him."

For Crux to state that he wishes the author would burn in hell shows that he has a problem in his heart, for as believers we are to strive to be more like Christ, and Christ is like His Father in Heaven who wishes that NONE should perish but that ALL should come to repentance. When someone makes such a proclamation as that, which is so contrary to the heart of God, one has to wonder if the proclaimer even knows the Lord.

I'm sure the honeymoon period on this forum is now over for me! LOL

PS: Yes, wee teech ar chillins ta spel.

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Matthew2323

HSD,
Yes, deception has always been in the church, as well as laziness, but look deeper... what happened to the main character? What happens in the end? What does he learn about God? As such, what are Bible-believing Christians not communicating about God that makes people read junk like this? True there is sin but is that all?

A2G,
Thanks for the Scripture references. There's also Isaiah 66 and Matthew 23:37 that speak of God's nurturing side.

Matthew G,
There is no need for you to fear this book. The errors are easy enough to discern and there are a number of critical book reviews on-line in case you want the help. You seem to have a passion for outreach so if you encounter enough people who have read it, it may be a good idea for you to be familiar with the book. It could be a good conversation starter; a gateway to speak the truth. Sometimes we need to read "enemy literature" to better understand his tactics.

Matthew

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Crux

Love your enemies sometime tough love is appropriate:

9Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 10"You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? 11Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind, and for a time you will be unable to see the light of the sun."

Meet some more pagan clowns:
http://www.grovebooks.co.uk/cart.php?target=product&product_id=17411&category_id=290

Cleansing the temple anyone?

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sermonindex

What you wrote was not tough love. It was self righteous venom. Do not twist scripture to justify your own sin.

You do not even notice that Paul did not condemn the man to hell. You did. You murdered in your heart, but you are blind. Just like the man Paul was talking to.

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Crux

I did not condem them to hell either but unless they get exposed many more will succumb to their deceit.
Is that what you what?
A christian remnant bathed in compromise?
May I refer you to their "spirituality" section.
Incase you haven't noticed there is a war going on here espcially on the christian youth.

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sermonindex

You did condemn them to hell until you edited what you wrote. You're playing games now.

I'm moving on. I don't discuss things like this with unreasonable people.

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Crux

Unreasonable? Perhaps before you call me blind you should open your own eyes. Then again pagan practice is something you may be comfortable with...I don't know?

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Crux

And this is what the pagan message leads to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nWmAegEYGQ
Perhaps you are blinder than bilnd?!!!

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Crux

Along with the Texas Chainsaw Massacre
movie they show at that festival.

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knitefall

This is a little off topic but perhaps interesting to study:

Most passages in the Word deal with a Lamb as a sacrifice. We know a Lamb can be used for all sacrifices whereas a bull or a dove cannot.


And a ram is a male sheep/ full grown lamb. Why would a lamb (female) be consistently used instead of a ram (male)? Of coarse in Revelation we see the word for 'Little Lamb' used many times- meaning young lamb. Which may or may not be female.

any thoughts?

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sermonindex


Hi kitefall,

'Why would a lamb (female) be consistently used instead of a ram (male)? Of coarse in Revelation we see the word for 'Little Lamb' used many times- meaning young lamb. Which may or may not be female.

any thoughts?'


Where, in scripture, is a lamb being used for sacrifice, NOT a male? (I'm not aware.)

If you could lay out the scriptures in which 'lamb' is clearly female, I'd be grateful.

Thanks in advance.

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knitefall

It's just the issue of gender. Not implying whatsoever God is female, He's not.
"...a RAM caught in the thicket..."

Versus,

lamb being used all over the rest of Scripture.

I understand 'Lamb' might be used in place of Ram and a Lamb denotes tenderness and innocence.

While a Ram is a male lamb fully grown. Just thoughts.

TO the message bible people, God does not see gender. He sees in Spirit. Our bodies are only machines(vessels) that we use to get around in right now. We've not seen God in His essential Nature. No man has seen the Father... But we can know His Love and works through watching Him and what He did on the Cross. The message bible is loaded with sensual phrases and phrases used by the Druids and other wicked pagan cults. Be careful with it and it should be for reference only.

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mguldner

Crux I will remind you that these "enemies" are not enemies at all but neighbors the true enemy is not made up of flesh and blood but our battle is of the spiritual realm. Also to gently tell you this there are two types in heaven one is quick to intercede while the other is quick to accuse. I don't know if you are interceding for these people but I know that Christ Jesus is. I wouldn't condemn anyone or wish anyone to burn in hell because I myself deserve such a fate, My sins largely outweigh these pagans 10 fold. But by sheer grace Christ died for me and these pagans, Christ is merciful I would suggest to do likewise. It is only by sheer grace that you aren't a pagan condemned to hell to you really should be praising the Lord and be heartbroken for these individuals rather than wish them to hell. But seriously I love you and I hope that you see that error of saying you want someone to burn in hell.

God Bless,
Matthew

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Hi kitefall,

I just did a word search on 'without blemish', which was required for all acceptable sacrifices, and the gender of the lamb is usually stated.

The Passover in Egypt, which foreshadowed the Day of Atonement, specifically states: Exodus 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take [it] out from the sheep, or from the goats

But these next two have to be read in context:
Leviticus 4:23 3 Or if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, come to his knowledge; he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a male without blemish:

Leviticus 4:28 8 Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.

My impression is, that you jumped to the conclusion 'lamb' could be of either gender in every case, whereas, God is precise about whether the gender of the sacrifice matters to Him or not. I suspect there is a meaning to each time He states 'male' and each time He states 'female', which seasoned readers may be able to expound more fully.

It also strikes me from a practical point of view, to a shepherd who needed to feed his family from the flock, if only males were to be sacrificed, it may unbalance the flock. I think there's more than we could discuss here, to apprehend in these pictures.

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

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sermonindex

Matthew...

That is a great word. I wish I had written it. Unfortunately it may fall on deaf ears for I find that Crux is even more abusive and childish in his private messages. I'll just leave it at that. I have had to warn him not to contact me anymore. Hopefully the moderators will address his behavior.

I've only been here a couple of weeks, but if this is how Christians who are interested in "revival" behave and act toward one another is it any wonder that God has not brought revival? Really?

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I've only been here a couple of weeks, but if this is how Christians who are interested in "revival" behave and act toward one another is it any wonder that God has not brought revival? Really?

Naw, it's only the occasional griefers, trolls, or the venomously self righteous. They appear from time to time. Judge everyone. Call people who disagree servants of Satan. Etc. etc. They don't usually stick around for long though. Don't sweat it.

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ginnyrose

Brother, I had to fight the impulse to weigh in on this subject but a verse came to mind. "He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears!" Pro. 26:17. God has a sense of humor, don't you think?

But now I will.

Everest is right.

God is still on the throne. He desires all our affection and honor. Let us be about and be faithful. And leave hair-splitting to the hair-splitters!

ginnyrose

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Renoncer

HomeSkoolDad brings a good point, though.

I would not be so quick as to say, "that doesn't apply to me", for I fear that this is precisely the attitude that needs to be broken in order to see the church revived.

Let us stop saying, "I am above all this...", but let us rather say, "Oh God, have mercy on me, a sinner".

We are all in the same mess! I am as guilty as anyone else in the so-called "church". But, of course, "I am of the remnant, as opposed to these people over there!" What arrogance! Let us stop exalting ourselves, and let us plead for God's mercy instead.

If you wish to throw stones at me, I say unto you, "Yea, I am deserving of such wrath; but, ye are guilty of the same!"

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knitefall

EverestoSama shares good points!

And thx for looking into the lamb issue- just a neat topic.

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