NEW SHOCKING VIDEO - IHOP, Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson, Mike Bickle, John Crowder

If you know these ministries, you may well be very shocked to watch this new Youtube video-

SHOCKING VIDEO 3 -”Naming Names”- Please forward it to your friends if you can. -The third (and final) part of our “SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY – Kundalini Warning”.

Here is the link–
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWeUNoR30_0

-Interested in your comments.

hi,i saw this first hand in a great church i attended in the new orleans area.we were an on fire,growing young church with an outreach in the community;especially to the homeless.we built the largest church in the area and than came rodney howard brown with the laughing and barking and drunk in the spirit ministry...i gave this a few months to test the spirit because i was very involved in the homeless outreach and saw lives changed in that ministry... the pastor,who i played golf with and loved and respected told me he had never experienced much in the way of anything supernatural started to be drunk in some of the services and i just had to go elsewhere.i still have friends who go to that church and they said that the wildfire is over and the Holy Spirit is leading in a more civil manner...the church lost solid members during this time and gained every type of religeous nut in the area.this was a sad experience for me for i have danced and ran and shouted and applauded in services but never wanted the gift of torette syndrome because it just is not a biblical experience...it draws attention to self and away from Christ...it does not produce holiness.jimp

I believe one of things that leaves me is the fact that God does operate even in the midst of these strange behaviours. While unbiblical God still visits where two or more are gathered in His name. Please understand I am not saying that these behaviours are of God by far brothers and sisters. But my point is there is and has been ministry that takes place even amongst these strange occurances. How do I know? I went to an Ihop conference and saw a dear friend and sister in Christ greatly ministered to over a broken friendship, after which some of the most fervent and heartfelt prayers came forth out of our little group for my hometown that I have ever heard. I went to meet with God, He showed up and He gave me a boldness to pray, simply pray for strangers that God's peace would fill them and that they would have real passion for Him and relationship.

The shaking I did, the jerking I did, the question I had to ask was did it change me on the inside and cause a deeper relationship with Christ, I would have to say no. It really didn't, however my focus wasn't on manifesting but on Christ and knowing Him and serving others in prayer.

Just thought I would point this out though largely unbiblical some very biblical ministry does take place even amongst the weird activity and to keep these people in loving care, which I know is the heart of Brother Strom.

I really hated what I saw.

It reminded me of what happened in church back in the early '90s.

There were two sisters in the church sitting in the front row. They were laughing during the sermon, one more than the other. No one else was.

One eventually stopped, but the other one continued, trying to supress the laughter occasionally.

After the service I asked her what was going on. She said she was sorry, but she had watched a video on the Toronto blessing.

Seems like these things are easily taught and caught.

We do seriously need discernment and a genuine fear of God.

This is what happens when the Word of God isn't preached in it's entirety. Great foolishness teetering on great deception

The IHOP crew came to our church a few months ago, about 300 of them. I just didn't like the way they shook and keeled over just about every minute. They were so anxious to 'spread the fire'.

The thing that broke the camel's back was during the preaching of the Word on the last day [phew!]. Some young women just couldn't stop giggling and laughing. And the 'minister' quoted Psalm 2 saying this was of the Holy Ghost laughing at His enemies!

This happened in a church with sober-minded under-shepherds!

This thing is more widespread than it seems.

Which I believe is the point, so many have been spiritually sleeping that this kind of activity is a beacon of hope that God is still moving and so deperate for something to happen we find lax discernment for the sake of the movement of God to come through, like I said real ministry can happen amongst those that go to these meetings. A great deal of them don't know better some even grew up in the Ihop setting and so its hard to discern these kind of things.

I remember praying for a young boy at the Onething Conference last year, his older buddy was praying for him too trying to get him to manifest, I gently whispered in the young man's ear its not about the movements and manifesting its about a change that takes place on the inside Don't concern yourself with the moving but look to life long change in the Lord. His friend was consistant until I gave him the raised ebrow like dude chill.

'Thus says the LORD, "Behold I am about to fill all the inhabitants of this land—the kings that sit for David on his throne, the priests, the prophets and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem—with drunkenness!

"I will dash them against each other, both the fathers and the sons together," declares the LORD. "I will not show pity nor be sorry nor have compassion so as not to destroy them.

"Listen and give heed, do not be haughty, For the LORD has spoken.Give glory to the LORD your God, Before He brings darkness And before your feet stumble On the dusky mountains, And while you are hoping for light He makes it into deep darkness, And turns it into gloom.

But if you will not listen to it, My soul will sob in secret for such pride; And my eyes will bitterly weep And flow down with tears, Because the flock of the LORD has been taken captive. Jeremiah 13:13-17

In times of revival and extraordinary moves of the Holy Spirit, many people get caught up with supernatural manifestations and begin to seek for the manifestations instead of the Lord Himself. The enemy has used this to sidetrack and derail many a move of God. These manifestations, shaking, laughter, weeping, etc. etc. have occured in many revivals that have been documented.

“One Friday night last spring, when praying by my bedside before retiring, I was taken up to a great expanse – with out time and space. It was communion with God. Before this a far-off God I had. I was frightened that night, but never since. So great was my shivering that I rocked the bed, and my brother, being awakened, took hold of me, thinking I was ill." What is this? This is from the testimony of Evan Roberts which appeared on Sermon Index, just the other day.

There are two extremes that are to be avoided when dealing with manifestations in time of revival. One extreme is to embrace all manifestions as coming from God without exercising true discernment. The other extreme is to take all manifestions as coming from the devil.

I am thankful that men like Andrew Strom are discerning correctly that there is much activity going on in the church today that is fleshly and even demonic. What concerns me is that Andrew Strom has in the past and in the present wrongly called certain moves of God and revivals as being counterfeit when in reality they were of God initially but somewhere along the way got sidetracked through either a lack of discernment of the leaders or a religious spirit of judgementalism that actually quenched the Holy Spirit and brought in man's control.

One example of a move of the Holy Spirit that I am very familiar with that Andrew Strom completely missed the boat on was the Brownsville revival. He became offended by many of the manifestions that were going on and ended up siding with Hank Handegraff in calling it a counterfeit revival. Was every thing that took place at the Brownsville revival of God? Certainly not! Yet, God moved in a powerful way as a result of prayer and intercession resulting in the salvation of thousands as well as the restoration of countless backsliders.

I agree with Andrew that John Crowder is encouraging drunkeness and is leading many young people astray. He should be avoided and Charismatic leaders should be speaking out against what is going on in his meetings.

However, to put Mike Bickle, Lou Engel and IHOP as being in the same camp as John Crowder would be throwing out the baby with the bath water. Not everything that goes on at IHOP is of the Lord, but yet the Lord is using this ministry greatly in bringing many young people to a passionate devotion to Jesus Christ. Some of the most dedicated, sold out Christians that I know are associated with IHOP, Mike Bickle, and Lou Engel.

Let us prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.

Mike

In Baton Rouge, we have a couple a devout Bible students that have had to decide to quit conducting praise and worship at a local church. Because of the church's recent turn towards this ihop strange spirit. They knew nothing of ihop until after but knew right away something was wrong.

Jimp is right, this will never produce holiness. It is sad. I feel very down for those who have gotten caught up in this.

Just a few weeks ago, we had several call in our radio station, testifying of how they barely got out of the cult. They could feel themselves loosing grip with reality. They keep you there and keep you there... not good, warn others!

Yes and this also paves the way into the antichrist's army. These young people will bite right into his deception.

Wow - some really amazing testimonies.

Yes - IHOP is certainly on the move and spreading this stuff.

Has anybody else seen this?

Wow - some really amazing testimonies. Yes - IHOP is certainly on the move and spreading this stuff. Has anybody else seen this?

I was into Jesus Culture (the worship band at Bethel, in Redding, CA) I emotionally connected with the music. Then I started receiving impartations from the leaders at Bethel. I am convinced I received an unclean spirit. There is a great Darkness rising in the world. But the righteous will shine like stars because they have the bright morning star, Jesus Christ, the real Jesus, not the false Jesus that these places say is giving this "anointing" impartation, or whatever it is, it is not from God. Please Saints be so careful, I was into this whole thing and God brought me out. Thank you Jesus for saving me.

Jesus is Victor.

He alone is worthy of all praise. The lamb of God who shed his blood for me on the cross. Praise Jesus!

Andew,

Thank you for sharing this video and your comments; coming from someone like yourself who was involved in the prophetic movement is helpful.

God be with you!
Brian

My friend, it is so sad to see all this stuff get worse and worse having been involved with the US Prophetic movement some years ago. Very sad and very disturbing.

-Andrew

One of the root issues of this whole mystical new age influence into the religious-community, I am convinced, has to do with the adoption of the idea that faith is the force of personal will, rather than understanding it to be a right response to revelation, or a positive response to the call of God through His word and an even more surgical definition is obedience.

No flesh shall boast in his presence

I Corinthians 1:29.

Save some by fire...some by compassion.

I hope this is some fire that will save people brother Andrew. I pray that it impacts. Though I have never in my life been personally exposed in my Christianity to these kinds of things except by proxy...it is grieving none-the-less.

hi,how would you feel if you spent every saturday night packing over 100 lunch and drink bags and going to the french quarter at 7 am sunday in abig bus which we pushed almost as much as we drove. we would pass out the bags and invite the homeless from under buildings and benches and parks to come to church with the promise we would also give them a good lunch...mostly men and mostly drunks or drug addicts and load up a bus with sro and come to the church where the pastor is to drunk"in the spirit" to speak and those around us acting worse than the drunks we brought....they would give me their bottle and ask for it back always when this happened...if this is christian i am not.jimp

Foolishness. Plain and simple.

This is very sad to see.

I agree, my friend.

It is grievous indeed - and it has been going on for a long time - getting sadly worse and worse.

Ever since the cross, all spiritual giants have had one thing in common. They were in close communion with the Lord; they became lost in the glorious vastness of Christ; and they died lamenting they still knew so little of him. So it was with Paul, with all the disciples, and with many early church fathers; with Luther, Zwingli, and the Puritans; with the pious English preachers; and with many godly leaders today.

Every one of these giants shared the same ruling passion: an ever-increasing revelation of Jesus Christ. They cared nothing for the spectacular, the earthly, the things of this world, success, ambition or worldly fame. They prayed—not for things, not for physical blessings, not to be used, not for anything of self, but only for a fuller revelation of the glory and vastness of their Lord.
by David Wilkerson

Oh, that this would be our only desire, passion - to know Jesus Christ and to take others to Him in the pure simplicity of His love. I pray for these deceived brothers and sisters that You Lord, You Holy Spirit will reveal their folly and they would return to the basic passion & desire of knowing YOU. Amen and Amen

Thank you Andrew for making this short documentary.

Everything exposed in the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible. (Ephesians 5:13)

It actually comes in 3 parts - which people should watch-

VIDEO ONE - "Kundalini Warning 1"-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM

VIDEO TWO - "Kundalini Warning 2"-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCcGaTRwG_4

VIDEO THREE - "Kundalini Warning 3"-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWeUNoR30_0

I, too came out of all this nonsense, it is rampant everywhere. IHOP was there from the beginning. Many of those who had been involved in these movements jerk while they pray, I even noticed that in SI conferences.

Sadly, as Andrew said, many come out of it and turn to bone-dry orthodoxy without the Spirit and think that they are safe(d) as long as they get the right doctrine.

If Satan cannot lure you into false doctrine and counterfeit movements, he tries to quench the fire of the Spirit until you love is cold, check

Matthew 24:11-13

11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Narrowpath, do you feel IHOP is really spreading this stuff bigtime now? -They did not used to really, but lately it really seems so. Very sad.

Andrew,

Alot of the music coming out of IHOP is being used to lure people in to this unclean thing, consider the Proverb,

Proverbs 11:22 As a ring of gold in a swine's snout So is a beautiful woman who lacks discretion.

Saints, just because the music sounds beautiful does not mean that it is holy and leads people to worship the one true God. Their music may have started out well but it is now being used to draw people into their movement.

God bless you brothers and sisters

Does anyone know where I can download a high quality copy of this documentary?

Hi Andrew,
IHOP has their roots in the Kansas Prophets Movement. Surely, I would see Mike Bickle as one of the more moderate ones among them. As with many movements, they must have gradually succumbed to strange spirits that were stealthly present at an early stage. Music replaces true worship, prayer gives way to enchanting, spiritual authority being assumed where there is no biblical ground for it. I do believe that there are a number of dear saints trapped in these movements and it takes a lot of wisdom and love to help them out of it. I was stuck in that stuff myself. What helped me was when I heard true prophets speaking who knew the heart of God. I can say from own experience that it was my own worldy heart that made me go astray.

Andrew, I have a question for you.

Some time ago there was a discussion here on this forum about the Lakeland 'Revival'. One of the posters wrote about a person who had attended this revival. This attendee said how she (I think it was a female) was sorely tempted with immorality after she arrived home. This temptation was overwhelming to her - something that she had not experienced before. My question to you is have you seen this also? What do you say about this incident?

Thanks!

ginnyrose

I had a conversation with a good friend who has since passed on to the lord.We discussed the antics and behavior of preachers like those discribed.We were also speaking about Elijah and Mt Carmel.On the mountain we had Elijah,Prophets of Baal and the children of Isreal.
He asked me who do you think we are?I said the church is similar to the children of Isreal because we are for the most part sitting on the fence or caught between two opinions.But he said something that I had a great witness too,that we were more like the prophets of baal because behavior of alot of preachers was similar to the prophets of baal described in the verses below!This shocked me but I think its true.They jumped and hollered but God was not on their side.They thought he was but he wasnt!
The Good news is that God had a remedy for the prophets of baal and he still has today.

1 Kings 18:25 to 28

And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed [it], and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But [there was] no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he [is] a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, [or] peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.

Ginny - In Hinduism the "Kundalini" is definitely associated with sexual energies and forces - often somewhat uncontrollable. This can definitely accompany the laughter, jerking, etc.

Very sad to hear about your friend.

And sad to say, IHOP seems to be becoming more and more a "spreader" of the 'drunkenness' anointing worldwide.

-Andrew.

"Nasher" - we are about to put the whole thing out on DVD - plus other footage, interviews, etc.

Please join our email List at-

http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/

Then you will find out when it comes out. It is only days away.

God bless you!

-Andrew

I read in The Pilgrim Church the other day that while Wesley and Whitefield use to preach many people would shake and jerk, the book doesn't describe exactly how it looked or even went into great detail. However I did find it interesting nonetheless. It did appear in the book that many were literally trembling with Fear to the point it could be described as a shake or jerking motion. This was at the height of revival Wesley's time.

I really don't know what is causing the jerking these modern day "revivals" but it doesn't seem to be Holy Fear.

I have a friend how is a IHoper she is one of the most passionate persons I know for Jesus, she hasn't done the "jerking" yet but explains it as the Holy Spirit overwhelming the body just as some Pentecostals explain Speaking in tongues but its on a very deep level so it effects the whole body.

"No matter how anyone tries to work the angle, one of the fruits of the Spirit is self control."

Which is exactly what I have been thinking about as well thanks for the Wesley quote! I just thought I would mention it because I thought it was interesting.

Yeah i've been involved in the Charismatic Church in the UK- it's not good.

I'm not sure what to make of Mike Pilavachi and the Soul Survivor bunch, he seems to have a Gospel concern, but at Soul Survivor this year a friend of mine walked out because of the bizare things happening in the main meeting. I wasn't too happy myself, acts 2 isnt an argument for that kind of wierdness. Also Mike seems to like HTB AKA TACF-IN-ENGLAND, and invited Eleanor Mumford (braught toronto blessing to HTB in '94) to be main speaker at Momentum (student soul survivor conference) this year-apparently she spoke well with no wierd stuff, but still?

Anyone else have any thaughts.

These are testing times and those who love the truth God will deliver from the deception that is spreading like wild fire everywhere. These deceptive last day movements have nothing is common with classic pentecostal movement which dispite alot of counterfeit experiences in their midts, had genuine renewals and spirit filled experiences which exalted the Lord and bore holy fruit.

Most of the pentecostal fathers came from the holiness movement that emphasized the purity of heart and holiness of life, but these deceived or deceiving preachers hate purity of heart and holiness of life. The issue its not the outward manifestations bad as they are, which are the effects of a perverted belief, which spings from the bottom of hell itself.

When i was young in faith, i have seen similiar manifestation in my local church and i was very dissapointed and really "sick" in my heart to be in a presence that was antigonistic with the Holy Spirit. A babe in faith i was at that time but it never happend to me to fall uncosciencely under the so called power of the "spirit", even though i knew myself to be an honest christian who longed for the blessed pressence of God and more in advanced in faith than those who usually would fall under this strange power unconsciencely.

My prayer is that God either have mercy on those false preachers and open the eyes of their understanding and lead them to godly sorrow that leads to genuine repentance, if that does not happen may he bring judgement on the prophets of Baal, that his holy Name may be feared and glorified.

We are leaving in perilious times and great apostasy is spreading everywhere under the form of godliness but denying its power, the power of the cross to save, the power of the blood to wash our sins, the power of the Holy Spirit to make us witnesses for our Lord Jesus Christ.

The videos of Andrew remind me of the book that Jesse Pen Lewis wrote, "War on the Saints" with cooperation with Evan Roberts. I have not read all her book but a wholesome "fear" (for luck of better word) has griped my heart when i spiritually have discerned the devastating results of a great army of fallen angels with an hidden agenda lunched in to invade and deceive millions of hearts.

May God fill with his Spirit and with a holy passion for his glory, an army of men of God who have one message only Jesus and the Cross to counteract this deceiving spirits and overcome by the power of the blood and Spirit.

Am not sure whether this question fits here but I would like to know whether the Bay of the Spirit revival is a true revival or false one. I really don't want this to turn into a bashing post or into whether its a true/false healing, just looking for discernment on whether its a true or false revival. Guess am just looking for a yes/no/don't know answer. Thanks.

Thanks EverestoSama. I guess you believe it's a false one. I actually logged in again so as to transfer my post to a new thread as on thinking further, I think it should be a new thread and not in this thread. My apologies to the op.

Mod, if you would be so kind, can you transfer mine and EverestoSama's posts to a new thread. Sorry for the incovenience.

I more or less agree with what elected has said.Also its a balance of looking at what the enemy is doing and understanding that God will deal with preachers that act more like ther prophets of baal than christian ministers.In the book of Kings God challenged the prophets and everyone knew after the confrontation who had the power.It was a God appointed time.Baal will be dealt with the same way in our day but under grace hopefully they wont lose their heads!If I was held to account for all my wrongs I would be the first of the 400 to get the chop.
I can see a God appointed confrontation coming up and only one group of people will have Gods blessing,the christians who sacrifice the right way.All this been said it remains hard to listen and watch this stuff,maybe the lord is getting us ready to challenge.Lets pray we are up to it.
Staff

Just got the DVD. It was a challenging watch. Still not decided on this whole thing.

I actually was reading The Pilgrim Church the other day and found another Historical instance of this shaking, I will have to post the details later because I don't have the book with me, however they had strange manifestations and the sorts as we are seeing here according the to book. It said once the revival died down they had the most prosperous time the area had ever experienced.

I am not quick to judge this I believe there is a lot of Soulish and immature behaviour however I can't rule out what I have physically seen with my eyes and have personally experienced. I don't think anyone will contend this point but God CAN use this for His glory whether we are uncomfortable with what is taking place. I have friend that are in Ihop that are the Most passionate Jesus Freaks I know.

Andrew, I appreciate the careful work you did in preparing this documentary. You avoided sensationalism and emotionalism in your manner of speech. In that way you encouraged thoughtfulness rather than knee-jerk emotional reactions.

So, how do we respond? I suspect that warnings alone will have little effect. Once people are in this movement, they are going to believe this is right, and let’s admit, it is indeed filling their hunger, and dulling their inner pain - though falsely. In that sense it is doing what religion has always tended to do: feed the false self. (Are we reaping what we have sewed?)

The lady who said, “I’m hungry for this”, was indeed speaking on behalf of many. Yes. People today are beset with meaninglessness, emptiness, and are craving for something to fill their souls.

The best antidote, of course is the age-old gospel hope. So, how can we give this hope? It is by offering ourselves on the alter and letting the fire of God’s love transform us and equip us for his work – that others may see Christ through us. Fix our eyes on Jesus, not merely on the problems out there (which will always be there).

We love the sinner best by offering ourselves to God.

Ephesians sets forth the means God has provided for the Church - in 4:11-16.

11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

Diane

As others have said, I am sure there are many who have been touched by the Lord because of their faith and hunger for God in these meetings and above all just because God is good to us.
When Jesus "showed up" or made His presence known or how ever you want to define it, demons were exposed and cast out. Flesh was also stirred up as seen in the religious opposition, and the mobs rising up against Him. These are still the same,and not to be overlooked also is the issue of just plain immature believers who need training.
God hasn't given us discernment so we can criticize and write books about how unholy all this is. But to warn and demonstrate the true power of God by bringing deliverance to these we feel are deceived, as Paul did in Acts 16 with the "damsel". Which ended up in revival called the Phillipian church.
Let's say cast out the demons, the flesh has already been crucified, and let the glory of the Lord fill the earth! Let the captives go free!
Freely you have received, freely give.

Ruf

This is so sad. I watched the video and was shocked. I didnt know this was taking place. I have youth in my family who I have been praying for - to be in the Lord and now I must pray for protection, discernment etc. so they are not enticed. These poor people look like they are demon possessed. We need to pray for deliverance for these people. The leaders look so smug. God help and bring Glory to Your Name.

I've seen John Crowder before. Very sad grievious stuff. This stuff is huge in the uk aswell.

My wife came out from this movement as a young girl in the 1990's. She always knew it was strange. Funny thing she got saved in one of these churches. God is able and greater than these spirits of deception.

Christ is saving and placing decernment in the mist of a remanant in these places. It's like Christ saves and then still rescues out of it.

I have a dear friend who was saved in one these churches. Praise God. Now he is a leading sober voice in america.

I hope this provokes us to prayer for our beloved bretheren in these movements. Pray against these satanic principalites taking hold. They need a baptism of a holy hush for a season