What gospel was preached?

I need help with the following:
I understand the gospel to be 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Yet Luke 9:6 says; And they departed and went through the villages, preaching the gospel and healing everywhere. Christ death and resurrection had not yet taken place.So what was the gospel they preached?

I believe it at this time to be:" The kingdom of God is at hands"
bohold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, the long waited Messiah is now come.

It was the fulfillment of what Jesus read in Isaiah when the book was handed to Him.

I’m going to get sidetracked a minute but please bear with me DesertRose....

I know there are a few out there in Christian land today who seek “signs” but please take notice that from Luke 9.6, no one then knew to seek signs. This is what happened... strange men came into town preaching and laying hands on the sick and then healing happens everywhere!!!

We say that they were part of the preaching the Gospel (Kingdom) of God... which it was but oh if we expect that today why are we accused of “seeking signs,” “running after signs,” etc.? Just saying.... Its looks to me like the two went hand in hand... preaching and healing.

Why isn’t that same gospel being preached today? Just wondering....

Lisa

Thought I'd recommend this message by John Piper entitled "Did Jesus preach the Gospel of evangelicalism?" wherein he responds to the criticism that modern evangelicalism's gospel presentation(s) is derived more from the teachings of Paul rather than of Jesus.

http://desiringgod.org/resource-library/conference-messages/did-jesus-preach-the-gospel-of-evangelicalism

In short, Jesus' depiction of the kingdom in his sermons and parables IS what one of the receiving end of Justification should experience.

And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Thank you for your input. It is encouraging to my soul to read scriptures of Christ's kingdom come to earth and the manifestation and mission of His kingdom as proclaimed from Isaiah in Luke 4. This by the way is one of my favorite Scriptures.
It is interesting that Christ was born into the chaotic kingdom of Herod's rule.The two kingdoms were in conflict right away as mentioned in Matthew 2:16.
I have learned that when I begin to question certain portions of scripture that I would have just read over without thinking, God is leading me into a deeper revelation of Himself.
I am thankful that I could present this question on this forum. You have been gracious to respond.
I am still digging deeper into the word to understand.

Thank you. I will listen.

Yeah Lisa. It is hard to ignore the pattern but it seems like it happened over and over. Preaching the kingdom of God followed by God healing and delivering the people.

Unfortunately many have adjusted their theology to fit their experience of few if any signs and wonders.Then you will be delivered up to the "Counsel" to explain yourself if you do get healed or something wonderful like that. (sorry)

We are surrounded by diseased, broken, tormented people. We have the "Bread of Heaven" / "Life" that will heal them. Healing and deliverance are "the children's bread" Matt 15:22-28.

Let's focus on the Father's business and feed the multitudes. Watch our God heal and deliver.

By the way, regeneration by the Holy Spirit, being born again, transformed into a new creation, may be the greatest sign and wonder of all. Thanks

Ruf

Jesus specifically gave His Apostles power over the unclean spirits enabling them to do the healing that they did when they did it while Jesus was still on earth. This was different from the power that the church would later exhibit even though the end results were the same

I say that because when they were healing before the crucifixion and resurrection consequently Holy Ghost had not yet been given. Still they were immature with this power as they were not ready to have it by themselves.

We know this to be true because when Jesus was not received by people the Apostles asked "should we bring fire down on them" but Jesus rebuked them (as He often did) and said to them "Ye know not what manner of spirit you are of" (Luke 9: 53-56)

Matthew 10:1
And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Mark 6:7
And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;

Still the fact remains that if the same gospel was being preached today that was preached during the first century we would see the same signs and wonders that the first century church did

Blessings

Doug

Lesserlight wrote:
Jesus specifically gave His Apostles power over the unclean spirits enabling them to do the healing that they did when they did it while Jesus was still on earth. THIS WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE POWER THAT THE CHURCH WOULD LATER EXHIBIT (emphasis by Lisa)

We know this to be true because...

God bless you,
Lisa

In humble response, we DON’T know this to be true. There is not any Scripture that states the power God used before the upper room was any different than after the upper room. Not one disciple states anything differently either. I’m sorry but this is pure conjecture on your part and we must be careful adding our opinions to Scripture.

Pure conjecture on my part you say?........ You are way out of line!

Where are your witness for what you charge me with??????????

Jesus had all power over all flesh!!!!

John 17 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given

And he gave it to whomever he wanted to but there is a big difference between eternal life and power over all flesh

Mark 3:14 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,
15 And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils:

Mark 6:7
And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;

Luke 9:1
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

All who have believed on Jesus and have received the Holy Ghost via the blessings of Pentecost have been given the power to become sons of God BUT THEY ARE NOT SONS OF GOD NEITHER DO THEY HAVE THE POWER OF A SON OF GOD!!!

Jesus gave the disciples the powers that he wanted them to have right straight from Him...... Amen?........ I think so

Your power to become a son of God is the Christ seed in you but seeds do not produce fruit......... Seeds properly taken care of and fed the correct food will become trees that if God willing can then produce the works and power of Jesus Christ.

Paul and the others were "born out of due time" that speaks of others yet to come that will walk in the same power that the Apostles did. However without one having the Mind of Christ like the Apostles one does not have the power of Christ and you have absolutely no scripture that proves differently because there are none

Had you PM'd me privately in accordance to Matt 18 I would have responded privately and helped you with what you you still need to learn.

However your charge of pure conjecture on my part is not only wrong but you have not taken the necessary steps of when you accuse someone of being in error to provide two or more witnesses in scripture is a sin ......let alone approach me privately as Jesus said in Matt 18 but just went right ahead with a public accusation of me conjuring up doctrines

Next time do your research first

Doug

Wow Doug! Calm down. The Holy Spirit is the One getting the Kingdom works done no matter how we slice it. amen

Ruf

By the way, regeneration by the Holy Spirit, being born again, transformed into a new creation, may be the greatest sign and wonder of all. Thanks

@rufnrust

I believe you hit the nail on the head! :) The things which are unseen are eternal and the things seen are temporal. Other miracles are indeed wonderful and to be desired, but this one is the most difficult, profound and has eternal consequences.

Hello Ruf

I am perfectly calm but as the scriptures say little bit of leaven leavens the whole lump.

The church is a lump that is in the condition that it is in because of the lack of truth and all the false doctrines that have been taught since the last of the Apostles were removed from the scene some 1900 years ago

However in an open forum there is going to be discussions between people not in agreement consequently God gave us ways for determining the truth that need to be adhered to so that in the end we may all become in one accord and in harmony with God.

Healthy discussions even in the face of dissent that reveal the truth can be laborious when they become repetitive but if in the end the unlearned become learned then there is a blessing and patience sees its perfect work.

However accusations of conjecturing up false doctrines is never to be an open discussion ...... at least not from the get until after a considerable amount of effort has been made to correct the person in error without any fruit coming forth.

Thinking that the apostles were/are no different than your status quo Christian baptized in the Holy Spirit is not just totally false doctrine but will prohibit the marriage between God and the church. Not that the christians have not been given a way to become as they were but first the truth has to be taught if sin is to be overcome.

Daniel prophesied of the time when the truth would start to be taught (Dan 12:3,4) just as Paul spoke of a time that when after the falling away there would be gathering that would come to worship in spirit and in truth......... that time is now.

I understand there is going to be dissent within discussion....... after all everyone has a send button on their computer.

However accusations need to be kept in check or the church will descend into anarchy. Unfortunately there are times when accusations are true but they need to be approached and handled in accordance to scripture.

Not only was my accuser wrong in her doctrine and in her accusation but did not even attempt to support anything she said by the Word of God that without respect persons holds everyone equally accountable.

That is one of the reason why we do not see people dropping dead in the church. However beware people are still dying because of false accusation of doctrines that are true........ I have seen that happen twice in the last five years alone and one of them had been a mentor of mine before he fell seriously in error before the Lord over an accusation of someone conjuring up false doctrines.

So it is not for Lysa's discomfort that she be corrected but for her benefit.

Blessings

Doug

Lesserlight,

Perhaps we are having a failure to communicate other over something else because I didn’t say anything negative about Jesus and his power because it is the same yesterday, today and forever...

What I said was pure conjecture on your part was here when you stated that the power was different:

THIS WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE POWER THAT THE CHURCH WOULD LATER EXHIBIT (emphasis by Lisa)

I know this could boil down to be a mere difference of opinion and even though I still stand by my first post, it truly was not my intention to wholly alienate you. Please forgive me.

God bless you, Doug,
Lisa

Hello Lysa

Can you show me anywhere today where we see the power of he Apostles being present given evidence through the signs following them?

The Apostles had the mind of Christ therefore they did the works of Christ including raising the dead.......... How many times have you heard of the dead being raised?. There are a couple of instances of the dead being raised as well as of others dying because of their false accusations against the truth. However the saints involved at this level of faith that have also healed others others and rebuked demons can be counted on one hand with fingers left over. In both of instances that I am aware of there was an anointing far above that of Pentecost.

The mind of Christ has all knowledge of the things of God as well as forgiving all others of sins including that of their own killers....... The mind of Christ does not come without much persecution that I dare say is certainly not yet happening against the church as a whole (let alone at all in western countries)

The Apostles walked in a level of faith that we do not see consequently Jude admonishes todays church to contend for the faith that was once delivered to the saints....... why do you think he did that if everything was the same with as it was with the Apostles?..... please address that question directly!

Dear Sis...... faith is a noun that produces a verb in its own image and those of great faith such as the Apostles produced great works or said better, God produced works through them that He does not do through others..... at least not other than the two that I know of and even with them it is not a daily occurrence unlike the Apostles whose shadow passing over the sick healed them of many diseases. Faith is not something that you gain but is given to you..... at least not the faith of God that like the seed that is Christ is also a seed in you and is taught as such by Jesus........ yet todays church has the audacity to think that faith is theirs and it is up to them to see it increase.

We still have not seen the times of greater works that will go hand in hand when we will see not just the fulfillment of Pentecost in the Saints but also the Feast of Tabernacles when the saintsl fulfill the ministry that the Apostles were a prophecy of.

Blessings

Doug

Who's Faith? Who's Seed? His: Amen

Galatians 2:16-21 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

In Christ: Phillip; by His Faith and The Father's Seed, which is Christ in you.

Colossians 1:25-28 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

Phillip

Who's Faith? Who's Seed? His: Amen

Amen again

That is a lot said in very few words

Hard to add to that yet there is a verse by Paul that comes to mind

Hebrews 6:7
For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God;

Did Paul have just any herb in mind ?

I do not think so and was looking as the same herb that Jesus spoke of that would become greater than the others in the garden

Matthew 13:31
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field

Mark 4:30And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?

31It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth:

32But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.

33And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.

Blessings to you

Doug

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

We are an Holy Temple unto the Lord, our fleshly bodies quickened to be able to contain the Spirit of the Living God and the Spirit of Christ making their abode with us and Christ baptizing us with and into the Holy Spirit. WE cannot loose the Spirit that is birthed in us by the Father, I will not be aborted. He who has begun a good work in me will finish it. Finally when we are resurrected into our Heavenly Flesh and bond body like His we will be with The Heavenly forever and learning Christ forever.

Quote: ""Hebrews 6:7
For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God;""

This scripture I always thought was out of character and out of place but now I see it continuity and blending of the "Believer" with the Son and the Father taught by the Holy Spirit baptized by Jesus Christ in us.

Thank you for this statement: "Did Paul have just any herb in mind ?

The fruit of all that God has accomplished in us by the the Spirit of Christ, His mind, His life, His all in all.

By His Spirit we are herb fruit of His working in us diligently.

Colossians 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

2 Corinthians 1:10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;

We are saved, being saved and will be saved; Amen

2 Corinthians 1:19-22 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea. For all the promises of God in him are yea, ((((((((and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.))))))))) (amazing); Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

In Christ: Phillip

DessertRose,

A while back you asked a question what gospel was Jesus preaching throughout the whole world when he was here on earth. Many people answered that question that he was preaching the good news of GODs kingdom. You might be surprised to know that this very message is still preached throughout the world in our day as well just as it was in Jesus' day and just as he did, going from door to door. The good news of GODs kingdom was the utmost importance to Jesus. In the scriptures in Mark 1:32-39 we see that because of this message, Jesus could barely rest. And after healing people all night long, early in the morning he told his disciples that we should leave to another town so that he can "preach" for this is the "whole" purpose that I have gone out.
Unfortunately preaching just in one location does not cut it. Although very convenient for us, that is not what Jesus did. Just as Jesus taught from door to door, we also should be doing the same "preaching the Gospel and the kingdom of GOD". Its exciting though because after all, we have an opportunity to be part of the very work that Jesus Christ himself was a part of before this "Kingdom of God" comes to the earth. Do you want to join it? Anyone is welcome to let me know if you want more information.

Mark 6-12:-
They went out and preached that people should repent. They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them.

Just in case if someone has not posted it. Mark Gospel speaks of what they preached. They preached about repentance. They said Repent the kingdom of God is near. Repentance is the very first message of Gospel. John the baptist preached the same and so did Jesus. Before someone accepts Jesus in their life they need to repent of their past life else they can never be born again.

rufnrust wrote:
Unfortunately many have adjusted their theology to fit their experience of few if any signs and wonders. Then you will be delivered up to the "Counsel" to explain yourself if you do get healed or something wonderful like that. (sorry)

God bless you,
Lisa

The original question was, "What gospel was preached?" I do not think there is a “ONE” set Baptist answer or a “one” set Pentecostal answer; we must walk in the Spirit and be able to listen to the Holy Spirit because the gospel is whatsoever a person needs. Let me explain before you get out your stones.... if a person was already saved, Jesus didn’t need to preach repentance to them. True or not? But say, if they needed healing, then He ministered that.

If they needed to repent, I’m almost quite certain Jesus didn’t preach emotionalism for two hours like some ministers do today to fill the altar.

And I declare (yes, a woman declares!) that we are able to preach the same Jesus... if we would just let go of our own agenda on what we were taught or believe that presenting the gospel is to people. You might say, "Oh, I might get kicked out of my church." So be it! It will probably be the best thing that Jesus could do for you!

Just my new two cents worth!! Or a half penny, depending on who’s reading!! (huge grin)
God bless,
Lisa

Is repentance a prerequisit unto salvtion? Where does it say that? I thought repentance was to believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, is that not the Gospel of Jesus Christ crucified, which Paul preaches in all his epistles.

What I am reading is I must repent to be saved. Or is it, I must believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and then repentance of sin is a confession of sin and the Father is then faithful and just to forgive all sin and cleanse from all unrighteousness. What if I sin right after confession, have I lost my salvation until I repent again and confess. That is not what the Gospel is all about, it is all about Jesus being my all and in all I do and am. If I confess right after confession, then continue to confess with every bad thought or deed I do daily, is this the only way I can keep the Incorruptable Seed God has birthed in me, being born again of the Word of God which is Christ in you the hope of glory. Birthed, aborted, birthed aborted, etc.

If the salvation candidate comes to the table with the slightest amount of faith given him and believes that Jesus is the Son of God, having nothing else to put on the table to make him a candidate for salvation, God in His own will, will give the Son to this new son, because Jesus paid such a price, that the slightest incling of belief, God gives what His Son came to do on the Cross, save those the Father has chosen to give this new birth to, the rest is sanctification by all that God declares the Christ in us is made unto us for, wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption. It is done.

I am in Christ because I believe, now I can repent and agree with God what this life of Christ in me is doing, "conforming me to the image of Jesus Christ God only begotten Son". Born again, yes; loved, yes; given new life in Christ, yes; never to leave me or forsake me, yes: If repentance in this and all the rest, God will see to it that I repent and agree with the Christ in me and the Holy Spirit mover and shaker.

In Christ, repenting always as repentance is required to conform me to the Image of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

Phillip

if a fine preacher does not have the gifts healing , but only the gift of prophecy matter how hard he preaches he will not be able cast out deamons ,and perform healings

i think the apostals were unique in that they had most if not every gift of the spirit avalable

that has changed accoring to the apostal paul said that not every one has all the gifts ,but some have toungs ,some prophecy ,some decern demons ,some heal ,,,,,,it logical ,that therfor we will not see the same powerfull gifts manifested as the apostals ,would when they minseterd will all the gifts present

this is obviously why we didnt hear that weasly could do what paul did ,or whitfield

i would be verry suspisious of any believe preaching and manfesting all of the gifts that the chosen apostals did ,

that is not bibilcal to desplay all the gifts as did the apostals

not everone can perform miraculas signs one needs the gift of miracals ,,,,,and to be honest not many have truly been givern this gift

most have coverted the gift of propphecy ,and that will be evedent in there personal ministery

is there anyone here that can say i am like an apostal and have all the gifts ,and my ministery proves it with out doubt

we should be careful not to judge people minastrys
when our own is laking ,,that would be hipocracy

Desert Rose,

The gospel that Jesus taught,...
Mt.4:17,' Repent; for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.',....the sermon on the mount ,..the Beatitudes,...ye are the salt of the earth,...ye are the light of the world,..
Relation of Christ to the law,...forgiveness,...lust,adultery,and divorce,..
perjury and retaliation forbidden ,....etc,etc,etc.....

We must look at everything He was saying / preaching,...because it is
His complete GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM....He was going to die and go
away,..He was preparing them / us ,as to what was expected of them /us if
we are going to live under the Lordship / Rule of this King,( who is Jesus )
He said,seek ye the kingdom of God, and His righteousness.... And that is to say as Paul saiid / asked,...'what would Thou have for me to do Lord '
OR ELSE,one day when we stand before Him ,and we say, but Lord, Lord,
and we did not allow Him to be Lord,in this life,...Then He will say,..'depart
From Me, I never knew you,..or why call ye Me Lord,Lord, and DO not what I say.

He says that the WAY is narrow,

And then the Disciples / Appolsels continued,to preach His gospel,...of the kingdom of God / heaven,...and the things pertaining to the kingdom .
Bless you,
elizabeth