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Scientists Detail Super-Storm Threat To California

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Earendel


Scientist Detail Potential Super-storm Threat To California From 'atmospheric River'

(AP) LOS ANGELES (AP) - Scientists say a plausible super-storm that could devastate California would be fed by an "atmospheric river" moving water at the same rate as 50 Mississippi rivers discharging water into the Gulf of Mexico.

Scientists who study historic storms to understand the risks modern California faces discussed on Friday a developing scaling system to measure the intensity of an atmospheric river - a huge hose-like flow of Pacific Ocean moisture into the state.

A storm scenario released by the U.S. Geological Survey this week says such a storm has the potential to cause flood damage to a quarter of the houses in the state.

The report, based on computer models analyzing the impacts of two storms that soaked the state in 1969 and 1986, describes a storm lasting more than 40 days and dumping up to 10 feet of rain.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/14/travel/main7248002.shtml


hmmm... 40 days and 40 nights?

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HeartSong

"We create these scenarios to understand what are the implication of the types of very rare events that science tell us has to happen in our future," Lucy Jones, chief scientist of the USGS Multi-Hazards Demonstration Project, said following a symposium with the researchers at the University of California, Davis.

". . . science tell us has to happen . . ."


I have come to understand these words to mean "what scientists plan to make happen" similar to "It's not a matter of if, but when."

The HAARP project up in Alaska is very interesting.

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White_Stone

Hello HeartSong,

My husband and I have been aware of what goes on with HAARP for a long time. Nothing that they do shocks me.

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HeartSong


I had not heard of HAARP until about a week ago. The LORD laid out the pieces in quick succession and my heart about failed me. Our LORD accomplishes many things with waves - His beautiful, beautiful, waves. Unfortunately there are also evil angels strumming their harps.

We must pray.

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ccchhhrrriiisss


The HAARP project up in Alaska is very interesting.

I would be very careful about entertaining the conspiracy theories that circulate around the web regarding HAARP. It is amazing how crazy some of those theories are and based upon the imaginations of people with way too much time on their hands.

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Giggles

To the OP, were it not for the current situation in Australia, I wouldn't pay much heed to this warning (due to the often fear/agenda motivated subtle biases of the news and my hope in a big God). I'm thankful there are still rainbows in the skies.

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HeartSong


The LORD has shown me that the enemy intends for there to be an earthquake at the New Madrid fault line in May. You may call it what you may, but we REALLY MUST PRAY!

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rainydaygirl

I no longer pay attention to these
kinds of things they are just attempting to
cause fear and I want to keep my
eyes on Jesus.

rdg

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ccchhhrrriiisss


The LORD has shown me that the enemy intends for there to be an earthquake at the New Madrid fault line in May. You may call it what you may, but we REALLY MUST PRAY!

The "enemy" intends for an earthquake along the New Madrid fault during the month of May? Really? The Lord has intercepted a message amongst the kingdom of darkness about how Satan wants to cause an earthquake during the month of May...and has revealed this to you?

Now...what are we supposed to pray about?

Please forgive my questions. There have been more than 4000 earthquakes along the New Madrid fault in less than 40 years. There was a 2.1 earthquake located on the New Madrid fault just on Thursday and a 1.0 earthquake on Wednesday. I take it that you are talking about a major earthquake?

This sounds almost like a prophecy. Now, what if this event doesn't happen? What would that mean? How is there any accountability for such a claim?

Again, forgive me for the forward nature of my questions. I am just wondering about the possible purpose of your claim and how the validity of it can even be tested by believers.

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sermonindex

Chris - do you hear your tone here --- ""Really? The Lord has intercepted a message amongst the kingdom of darkness about how Satan wants to cause an earthquake during the month of May...and has revealed this to you?""

IF this were prophetic - GOD never "intercepts" Satan's plans - HE is Omniscient and knows All, since before the foundation of the world - 'we' are not & don't.


Chris, the "validity" of this is tested by waiting until June 1st, 2011. You of all people should know that... knowing the Scriptures so well and all.
The 'praying' that we should do is no different than at any other time or any other day. Just pray in the Spirit and without ceasing. The Spirit of GOD knows what we are to be praying - Rom 8.
In the meantime - I don't believe that you are the final authority on what should be called "conspiracy theories" and what is not. For you to believe so would be somewhat presumptous, if not pride.
As I read your posts, these Scriptures came, regarding the way in which you are speaking to Sisters in the LORD and other men's wives. If you are going to moderate - than Scripturally, you may be moderated by The Body as well.


Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

1Ti 5:2 * The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity. *

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

Jas 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

"Accountability" goes both ways Brother.

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sermonindex


I find most of what "Scientists say" laughable anymore. Anyone who's been on this planet long enough would agree that "Science" has left it's defining boundries many decades ago and many do have a political or philosophical agenda or bias.
"Science" provides "Proof" for evolution - genes that make a person sin and the list goes on ad nauseum.

If anything - rather than turn on each other with our own bias gleened from "science", we should be turning on that "science" that contradicts His WORD. Amen.

"Scientists" have been prophesying for thousands of years.

Many would rather listen & learn from them rather than study eschatology - the true-truth of what will happen, future tense.


1Ti 6:20,21 ".., keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: which some professing have erred concerning the faith."

Rom 1:22,23 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

1Co 1:19-21 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Col_2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

1Co 3:19, 20 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.


From Barnes Notes on 1Tim 6:20: "The meaning here is, that Timothy was to avoid everything which falsely laid claim to being “knowledge” or “science.” There was much of this in the world at the time the apostle wrote; and this, more perhaps than anything else, has tended to corrupt true religion since."

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rainydaygirl

Jesus-is-GOD - I appreciated you post and what you shared here. Just wanted to say

rdg

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DesertRose

Heart Song, why is your signature a satanic motto?

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sermonindex


D.R. - I noticed somewhere posted and have also heard this said - something to the affect that "one can get saved and do what one wants."
In other words, stretching Paul's words about "all things are lawful" or "I become all things to all men" or "we're under grace now."

I noticed HeartSong's signature a month ago and thought - that should silence those type of posts - one would hope.

I believe that was her intent, to show the Source of such thinking - from knowing how she's posted during her time here.

Blessed are the pure in heart!

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sermonindex


Nothing that they do shocks me.
A long time ago, someone posted a quote from a Puritan, about sinning delicately, but sinning nevertheless. Seems relevant.

I take your point Jesus-is-GOD, that He is in total control. It is up to men to be right with Him and walking in the Spirit, in case He decides to take us home. At least, I think that's part of your point.

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sermonindex


Hi AtG, That is a Sister White_Stone quote you've posted but I concur with your post. GOD help us to draw the line.

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ccchhhrrriiisss

Hi Jesus-is-God...


Chris - do you hear your tone here ---

I added a disclaimer so that my tone would not be misinterpreted TWICE in my post. Yet, you still implicate my words with pride.

HeartSong made a claim that "The LORD has shown me..." She then went into some detail about how Satan was going to cause an earthquake during the month of May along the New Madrid fault. Now, earthquakes are common along that fault (over 100 minor quakes per year)...so I take it that she is saying that "the LORD has shown" her that Satan wants to cause a major earthquake.

So...what happens if what she claims does NOT come to pass? What if there is NO major earthquake along the New Madrid fault during the month of May? Will there be any accountability for this public claim?


Chris, the "validity" of this is tested by waiting until June 1st, 2011. You of all people should know that... knowing the Scriptures so well and all.
The 'praying' that we should do is no different than at any other time or any other day. Just pray in the Spirit and without ceasing. The Spirit of GOD knows what we are to be praying - Rom 8.

Of course, the truthfulness of this claim can only be apparent by June 1st. However, there was a similar situation a few years ago here on SermonIndex in which a couple of well-meaning brothers made a very specific claim that even included a date. They said that the Lord had shown them that vast economic calamity during a certain calendar year. They even specifically stated that if their words didn't come to pass, then they were guilty of being false prophets.

Now, I wasn't concerned about their words, because they wouldn't change my prayerful relationship with our Lord. However, I was concerned with the impact that these claims -- if incorrect -- would have on the minds and hearts of these two very sincere believers who had been part of the SermonIndex community of believers for a long time.

Sure enough, that year came and went. None of the things that they claimed came to pass. These two brothers left our fellowship here at SermonIndex. I have pray for these believers whenever I remember them. I don't question their sincerity. I think that they really believed that "the LORD showed them" something. They weighed the consequences of whether to speak or not...and chose to speak. In the end, their words were proven false and they decided to cut their fellowship here at SermonIndex.

I have sometimes thought about that experience. What were these believers supposed to do? They truly believed that they had been shown something by God...enough to proclaim it in a very public manner. It seems that they had prepared their lives for this event too. It seemed like a lot was riding on the validity of their words or, more importantly, their ability to receive such information from the Lord and their insistence upon sharing this proclamation in such a public manner. Should they have done this so publicly? I can't pretend to know. However, it had a detrimental effect on our community for a short period of time and ended with broken fellowship.

Several years ago, a woman uttered a similar "word" during a meeting at Times Square Church. Of course, her "word" was uttered as a "thus saith the Lord." After she uttered it during the meeting that Sunday, some people even clapped. While there wasn't anything particular "wrong" with the "word" (other than it being very generic-sounding and short on details), Pastor David Wilkerson quickly offered a rebuke. He said something about how at this time in history...that God was supposedly going to possess someone's mouth to the point of having them interrupt the time of worship amongst God's people...in order to declare such a proclamation for all of God's people to hear. Pastor David asked, "And this is all that God had to say?"

He politely yet publicly rebuked the woman during the meeting and attempted to help refocus the congregation upon worshiping the Lord in truth.

Now, I am NOT making any declaration that this word from HeartSong is untrue. In fact, I think that a person who is walking with God and who truly receives such a message would actually WELCOME such a "test" of the words of believers such as these. No one is questioning the sincerity or spiritual condition of anyone else. I am merely testing the words themselves. Over the years, I have come to believe that true prophets with pure hearts before God actually welcome believers to test their words. After all, I wish nothing but God's best for all here -- including those with whom I may disagree.


In the meantime - I don't believe that you are the final authority on what should be called "conspiracy theories" and what is not. For you to believe so would be somewhat presumptous, if not pride.

"Conspiracy theories" are not supposed to be entertained by the people of God. They have been repeatedly discouraged here at SermonIndex are are even mentioned in the Community Guidelines:


Conspiracy and Conspiracy Theory

We believe there is certainly a conspiracy afoot, that which is present since the fall of mankind in their enmity with God. What other websites or ministries may have of a variety of present theory as it relates to what the governments of the world are doing is too much in dispute to be presented here. The New World Order and One Government system is understood in a variety of fashion. What we will not allow is unscrupulous and un-scriptural notions and ideals to foster fear and paranoia to the saints. Our trust and yours should be placed firmly in God, not in the conspiracy of the world, the flesh or the devil. We will monitor these things in our best discretion but do not bring in ministries or other agendas devoted to these mandates.

Now, no one meandered into specific claims about HAARP. However, it was mentioned. There are plenty of conspiracy theories about HAARP throughout the internet (including in "discernment" websites) that are nothing more than vain imaginations that are akin to "old wives tales" -- which the Word of God tells us to "refuse" or "have nothing to do with" (I Timothy 4:7). Of course, we are supposed to TEST all things (I Thessalonians 5:21). I think that this should be welcomed in our attempts to have a pure and undefiled tongue.

As I read your posts, these Scriptures came, regarding the way in which you are speaking to Sisters in the LORD and other men's wives. If you are going to moderate - than Scripturally, you may be moderated by The Body as well.
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"Accountability" goes both ways Brother.

I don't understand what you are implying. Perhaps you would care to be specific? I have no problem with you attempting to caution me about any words that I may have written. However, there is accountability for you...me...and everyone...in regard to what we say or claim. There is also accountability for those who would mention a conspiracy theory or utter a prophetic word that they claim "the LORD showed" them. At what point and manner does that accountability achieve fruition? If a person utters a specific prophetic claim that does NOT come to pass (or those that do), how are they held accountable if we are discouraged from "testing" such things? It seems that since we are supposed to even judge the words of men and angels (Galatians 1:8), that sincere believers would welcome such accountability for our words.

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sermonindex

Chris, I believe that many people have read this page, .defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674 - and have come out with some of what they believe since then (13 yrs ago), by further research.

My point is not so much whether we agree with these things or not and I don't believe anyone here has broken any 'rules' regarding this topic, by merely stating their opinion.

My point is how we treat these matters of "science" and how one can claim to know enough to call anyone else's opinion "conspiracy theories". That's a dig at the intelligence of those who are represented on this thread - and a claim to your having more intelligence than them.


The two brothers that you mentioned - I read one good Brother here post that the major economic down-turn of 2008 actually began in 2007.
I saw a merciful spirit in that Brother's post, that I don't see on this thread.
At least in the case of the two brothers that you mentioned, from what I know, most people waited until 1/1/08 before they began to viciously attack them.

Is this how we treat one another?

Regarding TSC - "during a Service" - you said that woman's word was "similar" --- In what way?
I doubt that David Wilkerson would say, "Really?" and then mock a Sister by mischaracteristizing the omniscience of GOD.

I don't go offline to compose my posts nor do I like to force anyone to read long ones but I feel that your tone did need to be checked - by you. If you feel justified in All that you've written on page 1 - so be it. Accountability is in the eye of the beholder than.

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HeartSong


I am most certain that I have heard from the LORD in this matter. In the mean time, I am fervently praying that this calamity does not come about. I have told the LORD that I am more than willing to be a fool for His Name's sake.

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White_Stone

Dear HeartSong,

Regarding the quote in your sig, I have been trying to view it as if the quote is what you are saying TO satan and not that you would be giving the evil one voice on this forum. However, now that DesertRose asked, and you did not reply, I want to ask myself. Please clarify the quote in your Sig.

white stone

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ccchhhrrriiisss

Hello Jesus-is-God...


Chris, I believe that many people have read this page, .defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=674 - and have come out with some of what they believe since then (13 yrs ago), by further research.

My point is not so much whether we agree with these things or not and I don't believe anyone here has broken any 'rules' regarding this topic, by merely stating their opinion.


You have NOT stated an "opinion" about HAARP. Neither did I. I simply cautioned believers about entertaining conspiracy theories:
I would be very careful about entertaining the conspiracy theories that circulate around the web regarding HAARP. It is amazing how crazy some of those theories are and based upon the imaginations of people with way too much time on their hands.

I didn't bring up any of the various conspiracy theories about HAARP that are circulated amongst believers and non-believers alike about issues for which many of them have no firsthand (or even secondhand) knowledge. I am merely urging caution that believers shouldn't be given over to such things.

It is disappointing that you think that I am digging at the "intelligence" of educational level of anyone by urging such caution regarding such matters. That is certainly not my intention. However, I do not apologize for urging caution. There are so many conspiracy theories that are rampant amongst believers -- and some have made their way onto the pages of SermonIndex. Over the years, people have uttered conspiracies regarding everything from the swine flu to the Council of Foreign Relations. The evidence that they presented was sometimes nothing more than hearsay, rumor, old wives tales, or connecting dots that were never meant to be connected.

Often, these conversations do nothing more than invoke fear...or a tendency to spread something that might not be 100% true (which makes it either a full or partial lie). I believe that this is all part of why we are supposed to avoid such "vain" things.


The two brothers that you mentioned - I read one good Brother here post that the major economic down-turn of 2008 actually began in 2007.
I saw a merciful spirit in that Brother's post, that I don't see on this thread.
At least in the case of the two brothers that you mentioned, from what I know, most people waited until 1/1/08 before they began to viciously attack them.

I don't think that you were around at that time. It wasn't a vague prophecy about the "beginning" of an economic downturn. Their prophecy was composed of very specific things that were supposed to take place within the calendar year.

Most of us urged caution in this matter BEFORE the end of the calendar year for which the SPECIFICITIES within their claim was supposed to have taken place. Most of us saw (and still see) those brethren as being completely sincere in what they felt that the Lord had shown them, although the specific nature of their claims was proven false. No one (at least no one that I could tell) pointed the finger of judgment at them. In fact, many of us -- with hearts that hurt with love for these brothers -- urged them to remain in fellowship here. Of course, perhaps you can point me to the posts where believers showed such a tendency to "viciously attack" them?


Regarding TSC - "during a Service" - you said that woman's word was "similar" --- In what way?
I doubt that David Wilkerson would say, "Really?" and then mock a Sister by mischaracteristizing the omniscience of GOD.

Now, you are misquoting me. I didn't "mischaracterize" the omniscience of God. I am fully aware that God knows and sees all things -- and I think that such understanding is obvious to all believers. Nor was I trying to mock this sister. IF you perceived it that way, I don't know what to say other than tell you that you misunderstood my post. In that post, I injected two disclaimers in order to specifically state that I was not doing what you accused me of doing. For me, it was all about how we can test the specific notion that someone directly attributed to God Himself.

HeartSong made something of a "prophetic" statement that she directly attributes to the LORD as having shown her. She asked us to pray specifically about it. However, how do we test her words?

What do we do if there is no major earthquake along the New Madrid fault during the month of May? Do we just attribute it to "the prayers of the saints" that stopped it? Or is it possible to question whether the Lord actually showed our sister this thing that she claimed that the LORD specifically "showed" her? We are instructed by God to test such things. How is it possible to test such supernatural public claims if someone complains when those words are publicly examined?

As for TSC: The woman uttered a "word" (in a first-person, "thus saith the Lord" manner) that was literally composed of words supposedly spoken verbatim by God. The woman stated things about God being "pleased" with certain things and "disappointed" regarding other things and injected a bit of instruction about what direction this particular local congregation needed to go. Pastor David publicly rebuked the woman who uttered the "prophetic word" and explained why within his rebuke.

In it, Brother Wilkerson questioned why God would possess this woman's mouth in order to interrupt the meeting and say some things that are so obvious to all believers. He also questioned why God would bypass the church overseers by speaking through the woman directly to the congregation regarding the direction that the congregation needed.


I don't go offline to compose my posts nor do I like to force anyone to read long ones but I feel that your tone did need to be checked - by you. If you feel justified in All that you've written on page 1 - so be it. Accountability is in the eye of the beholder than.

Again, I don't understand what it is that you are implying. I didn't go offline to compose my post. I logged on...and posted. In addition, I don't "force" anyone to read my posts (let alone "long" posts). I did check the tone of my post, and I apologize if your misunderstanding of the tone was due to poor writing on my behalf. However, I feel no more apprehension for you questioning the tone of my post than I suppose that a true prophet would feel regarding the testing of their words.

Again, a disclaimer: I am NOT saying that HeartSong is incorrect in what she claims that the Lord showed her. I am just wondering how we can test such a specific, prophetic word. How do we hold anyone accountable if people get angry when we test words?

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sermonindex

Hi Chris. I don't want to continue on with this except to say that with this example you give of the woman at TSC, I find nothing "similar" to what was shared on this thread.

The part that I felt was a wrong characterization of GOD and not done in the right spirit was from the same quote I posted to you the first time - at the bottom of pg 1.

Quote: "Really? The Lord has intercepted a message amongst the kingdom of darkness about how Satan wants to cause an earthquake during the month of May...and has revealed this to you?"


As you've mentioned toward the end of this post, about "true prophets" --- To "give a prophecy" is not a claim to being "a prophet".

Again, you are wondering "how to test" this. Again I have to answer - wait and see Brother. That's all we need do - and then - HeartSong posted on the previous page what she feels.

Asking you to just lighten up a bit on her I feel is not asking far too much.

This ends my replies.

Shalom

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ccchhhrrriiisss

Hi Jesus-is-God...


Hi Chris. I don't want to continue on with this except to say that with this example you give of the woman at TSC, I find nothing "similar" to what was shared on this thread.

As I was trying to point out, I was attempting to highlgiht the similarity in finding some sort of Scriptural way for "testing" the "words from God" that we share publicly. As you mentioned, this is about accountability.


The part that I felt was a wrong characterization of GOD and not done in the right spirit was from the same quote I posted to you the first time - at the bottom of pg 1.

Once again, I apologize if you misunderstood the spirit by which I made my statement. My point was that HeartSong made a very specific, public claim about the LORD having "shown" her something. How do we test her words?


As you've mentioned toward the end of this post, about "true prophets" --- To "give a prophecy" is not a claim to being "a prophet".

Regardless of whether a person claims that they are a prophet or not, a prophetic utterance must be tested.


Again, you are wondering "how to test" this. Again I have to answer - wait and see Brother. That's all we need do - and then - HeartSong posted on the previous page what she feels.

Asking you to just lighten up a bit on her I feel is not asking far too much.

So, are you saying that her claim cannot be tested except to simply wait and see if it happens. But then what? What if it doesn't come to pass? What if there is no major earthquake during the month of May? Do we pass it off as being "thwarted" by the prayers of believers? Or is there a level of accountability to the body of believers for the specific things that we claim in a public forum?

Why does this matter?

There are so many "words" and claims being uttered that go untested by believers! TBN is filled with "prophets" (or those who claim to operate "prophetically") who utter lies in the name of Jesus. Benny Hinn has been guilty of uttering specific LIES that he claimed God "showed" him -- which have even been documented (including the dates for which is "words" were supposed to be fulfilled). In other words, there are plenty of false words out there. Without accountability, many of those nice people will feel "free" enough to continue making false claims in the future.

Again, I am NOT saying that HeartSong "missed it" or was anything other than completely sincere in regard to what she says the LORD showed her regarding an earthquake in May. I don't pretend to know whether or not she really heard this from the Lord. She hasn't explained just HOW the Lord showed her this future event. She just shared it on a public forum that is read by believers and unbelievers alike.

I am more concerned with the purpose of such words. They often invoke fear. Believers aren't supposed to worry or be anxious about such things. We are supposed to daily seek the Lord for perfect intimacy with Him regardless of our situation. We aren't supposed to be lightheaded about such things. Rather, we are called to be sober and vigilant as we test everything -- whether the words of men or of angels.

I hope that this clarifies the point(s) that I was trying to make.

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HeartSong


After my last post, I went to prayer and found myself praying more for the eyes and ears of God's people to opened than that the earthquake be stopped. I then read my Psalm for the day, Psalm 56, and was encouraged by verse 11 "In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me." I then went on to continue my reading in the New Testament. Before turning to the page, I prayed that the LORD would show me what He would have me to see. This is the first thing that I read: "1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." - Matthew 24:1-2. As I read verse 2, my heart sank.

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HeartSong


As far as the quote in my signature, the way I see it is that when we listen to the voice that tells us to do what we want to do, versus what GOD would have us to do, we are listening to Satan.

I tried to change it awhile back when someone had a problem with it, but the computer would not allow me to make the change. Then I remembered when the LORD used Charles Finney's face on the cover of an Old Paths Magazine to convict me of every little thing I did wrong and assumed that the LORD was wanting to continue to use my signature in the same way.

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HeartSong


I really could use some prayer as I am feeling a tremendous weight right at the moment.

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ccchhhrrriiisss

I am praying for you, dear sister.

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White_Stone

Dear HeartSong,

Thank you for confirming your Sig to be an example of what to avoid.

Do not be weighted down with worries, you are in my prayers, as well many others, too.

The way I see it, Earthquakes come from God and if he chooses to send it, it will be for His glory and for His purpose. Seeing it in that light, I say, send it, Lord, Your will be done.

It doesn't seem to me we are to pray for disasters to be forestalled (for there will be earthquakes that level the mountains), we are to pray for the Saints and the Church. Perhaps you are taking on more responsibility than you need? It may be an earthquake is necessary to draw some from the World and to Jesus. Better to pray for His will to be done. The evil one can do nothing without permission.

Kind regards, to a dear sister,
white stone

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sermonindex


Just wanted to say to my Sisters ~ all these things are allowed by GOD to prepare our hearts to "fear not" - whether this particular earthquake takes place or not doesn't matter to me - we know that He said that they will happen more and more in divers places - even where they've never been expected - so I don't take these words as out of the ordinary - GOD could have stopped all words if He chose to - He told us that these things would come to pass - but that we should never allow anything to throw us into fear. To be forewarned by the Prophecies in The Word, is to be forearmed against fear. Bless The LORD! Psalm 46

LORD Bless ya's and comfort weary hearts.

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sermonindex

I really could use some prayer as I am feeling a tremendous weight right at the moment.

as i type these words to you, in my spirit and with the Enabling of The Holy Spirit, i pray for you, i pray for the comfort and peace that ONLY the Holy Spirit can bring, amen.

i also pray that any words i now write are engendered by the Holy Spirit, IN Jesus and IN His Love;

sometimes i feel that all of us, and i am guilty too, we sometimes fail to realize we all are "broken bread" as it were. we all suffer while in this vessel, we all fear, we all stumble, we all say or write things to one another that are not of Messiah.

i have been giving through study of late, reading and re-reading the Book of Proverbs. Proverbs, as i see it, with the Help of the Holy Spirit is a Book of "roads", the road of the righteous, the road of the wicked...and an appeal to the "simple" to walk the road of the righteous. After i finish this exercise, i want to then go into the Four Gospel Accounts.

i only tell you this, to let you know where "i'm at"...much the same as if we were having a conversation.

not 7 hours ago, i had the worst nightmare, i have ever had in my life. a bad dream nightmare, not the waking kind. i won't even detail it. Through my life i've had many dreams, many have been glimpses of the future, many have not.

but i keep my mouth shut, but no longer.

many men, some foolish, self proclaim themselves as "prophets". i would never do this, because i fear God, and would never deign to play games with Yahweh, i love Him, He has always shielded me, even from my own nature.

the world as we know it,is full of violence, hatred; both of humankind and God; lust, whether it be lust of pleasure, power, money, this world's "chess pieces" are moving. Foul spirits fill not only the heart of common man, but the hearts of rulers, whether they be "elected" or not....even those possessed by the "spirit of religion" are doing the devil's bidding by cuddling up with vain men, full of violence and greed, i don't care whether they call themselves "christians", "catholics", "muslims" "hindu's", "buddhists", or whatever deviant nomencalture they desire to attach to their outward appearances of religiousity. God knows their hearts, He knows their wicked schemes, and God, Who is so patient and so loving, is brimming with anger.

But YOU, HeartSong, dear child of His...do not fear. You know Jesus loves YOU, and loves all here, who are guileless of heart, and poor in spirit. Jesus Himself told you, in the Beautitudes of Matthew, how He loves you, and will never leave you, never forsake you...in that ONE GREAT HOPE, we rest and sup of His Body, cover ourselves in His Blood.......THIS IS OUR HOPE, and OUR FAITH, quiet, like a Rock.

Do we stumble? Yes, but like a fallen child, in child-like Faith, we know enough, just to reach our hand up, and there is the Hand of Jesus, who can resist such a Beautiful Hand?

When i was a wee lad, educated in the synagogue, i read many accounts of what we call the Shoah, referred to as the Holocaust in popular terminology, i was no more than 8 years old, saw many documentaries. At the same time, this was in the 1968 to 1972 time frame, (i was precocious, devoured book) i was also led to read every survivors account from the nuclear attacks of Hiroshima and Nagasaki i could lay my hands on.

Horrible vicious tales, that frequently filled my child dreams. As i grew i began to study nuclear war fighting. i was also led to study about petroleum. at a very age, 17, my first job was within the intelligence/military intelligence community, and was allowed, (by God) to see many things, without prejuidice, or presuppostion, i was allowed to see lies and hypocrisy, much to the breaking of my heart.

Then i entered the world of trade and finance, in many ways the same thing, as the hearts of men are dark, and so easily astray by the lust of money, power and pleasure. But by God's Grace and Guidance, my hands were never stained by the theivery that goes on in that world...it just "wasn't me"...not that i'm "perfect", but Praise Jesus, He really put two Posts in my heart, i never had a love or lust for money, and i have always striven to be what we term in Hebrew, a "tzadik", a "righteous man".

i know now that "none are righteous", which is why the Blood of Christ was shed.

(i am "going somewhere" with all this...bear with me)

i won't go into my third "career", but Praise God, i'm done with it, and God has saw fit to bless me with sufficient resource, and He has been giving me leadings for many years. i'm going to tell you where my heart leads me, and what i see, and i pray my words are true:

Heartsong, you remember after our Lord Jesus was hung on that tree?...and after the Day of Pentecost, a lot of the Early Church was in Jerusalem?....i'm referencing a period from the late 30's to the early to mid 60's...Jerusalem of course was occupied by the roman empire, and the city was just a hotbed of revolt and sedition....it was that way when Jesus was in His earthly ministry. Well, His followers, disciples, apostles, knew better than to get caught up in that foolishness.

i don't know for certain, but i do believe a great number of the Lord's, led by the Holy Spirit, got out of Jerusalem before the revolt that led to the City's destruction in the late 60's, by the romans.

my forthtelling is this, i can apprehend what many of these followers of Jesus, in those days, felt.

get out of the "city".

learn how not to be "dependent" on others to manufacture your food....learn the old skills of storing your food, to grow it.

regard the Word, the Logos, that Bible (or Praise God, BibleS, plural) as more sacred and precious as fine gold, for a day is coming when Bible ownership will be "illegal".
(while that might sound "horrible", it might be a case of satan overplaying his hand, because then the children of man would rightily place This Logos in the true import it deserves, which is to "eat" of the Word)


man's heart is dark, and every weapon he has fashioned, he will use again and again, therefore, i know not when, mankind will once again, wage war with nuclear weapons. But don't let fear grip you, because you are under God's Wing in His Faith. (Psalm 91)

Jesus told His followers, there will come a day, when you need to trade your cloak and buy a sword. Listen to Him. i will not say anything more than that.

"politics"...or "polis" is just a dead end road for followers of Jesus, to labor in this pursuit, is "wind", unfruitful exercise. This is just the way, the path that God the Holy Spirit has been leading me. avoid this wind, fore its "fruits" are bitterness, diviseness and rancor.


Bless God for the blessing of electricity, and for a sound automobile. but work towards a day when there are neither available.


Pray for God to send you other Holy Spirit filled followers of Jesus, when "out of the city" (if you have the same "get out" leading) we should also seek out Jesus' followers....go to appropriate churches, with agape love filling your heart. These dear saints the Lord sends you will be your "communitas" (i dearly love Bonhoeffer's book, "Life Together")

though this may on first blush, sound worldy, it might be wisdom, but as your purse allows, save real currency, distrust the "paper money". Time after time, in the Bible, we read reference of everyday trade being in silver, therefore as your purse, or wages allow, buy silver coins of american mintage, also stack away boxes of the lowly nickel, as they are the only coin left, that is actually instrinically worth its denomination. (and that will change soon as the govt will "debase" it) pre-1982 pennies, purely of copper, are now worth almost 3 cents, accumulate these also.

and finally, even in the darkest days, remember mercy, remember love, remember charity, keep and guard the Faith that has entrusted to you, to us, to everyone the Lord calls His Own, for in Christ Jesus is our All in ALL.

i send you my love and prayers in the Holy Spirit, n.

H
HeartSong


Thank you for your prayers, and your kindness, my brothers and sisters. What a blessing it is to be amongst God's people. God bless you.

G
ginnyrose

we are to pray for the Saints and the Church.

I have a friend, Jaya, who has the gift of prophecy, that of encouraging others. She was born in India, raised by a communist father and a mother who was pagan. In God's mercy and grace he called her when she was a wee little girl of 6 years, I think. Since then she has had a ministry of sharing the gospel. Her parents have since then come to the LORD as well.

Anyhow....

Jaya called me the other day to encourage me - she does that occasionally. In the conversation she told me how the LORD impressed upon her the need to encourage the saints. While preaching to the lost is essential, there exists a great need to encourage the saints....so be encouraged, encouragers! And God bless all who are faithful in this ministry!

ginnyrose

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whyme

I don't really like responding into these situations but when I saw this quote, I felt a twinge in my soul:

"The LORD has shown me that the enemy intends for there to be an earthquake at the New Madrid fault line in May. You may call it what you may, but we REALLY MUST PRAY!"

For everyone out there who believe the enemy has control over earthquakes, please read the OT and reason through who really has control over everything, even calamaties.


I'm not suggesting we shouldn't intercede with our Lord for protection and even to avert catastrophe but it is the Lord that is to be feared; not the enemy. I mean no offense.

S
sermonindex


Hi whyme. I think we're looking at the tribulation that Satan brings upon the earth - Not GOD's wrath that is seen with the vials.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time..


Mat 24:21, 22 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Rev 11:18 "And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great ....

and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."


Who is destroying the earth in the last days?

GOD allows or quits restraining in the last days - that is the "judgment" and Satan's wrath is seen through-out last days prophecy in the Word of GOD.

There is a time of Satan's wrath and he also uses evil men. The Word even calls them "the rich men of the earth" besides the false prophet and antichrist, but then with Christ comes the the wrath of GOD upon those mentioned in that last verse, Rev 11:18.

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