Is David Wilkerson a whack job prophet or for real?

Endzone.....David wilkerson has been so wrong on some of his prophecies.

Well this is what God said in Deuteronomy 18:20-22 But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in my name or who speaks in the name of another god must die.“But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared. To me this says he may still be seen by some as a prophet, but not a prophet from God. does this help?

Jesus-is-GOD...I wouldn't want to be standing for the King of the Universe falsely accusing a man like David - That's For Sure!

No problem there, we would never be in the predicament, we will only answer for our sins, not Brother Daves.

I don't think anyone here has intended to speak negative about DW, he is a good man of God and has prove it over the years, but to me personally according to the word of God, he is no Prophet.

I have read David Wilkerson's pulpit series for many years and He is an awesome man of God and his godly family as well. And now on SI I have had the privilege to actually listen to him. I read many years ago that he does not see himself as a prophet. There are some that say he is and some that say he is not. Personally, I dont care. I know he spends hours with God and he hears from God. He is not perfect but O how it would be if we had more godly men like him. No one who walks with God could ever call him a whack job. That person has not listened to him much to say that.

But they called Jesus all sorts of names as well. I am sure David is used to it.

If you really want to know the answer - ask God to show you, read and listen to what David has to say. Then you will know in your heart the Truth.

I am pretty sure David W. has never claimed or even thought of himself as a prophet. Matter of fact, if you read "The Cross and The Switchblade" you will see that God almost had to "push" him into the public eye. Leading, of course, to the founding of Teen Challenge which has touched , who knows, how many 10's of thousands directly and many more indirectly.

As for The Vision, it may be that all God was giving was a "broad" view, not meant to disclose every minute detail, some things not yet clear or able to be understood.

Ruf

Shouldn't we be asking this question about ourselves rather, with careful inward examining? The truth is, the moment we stop examining ourselves, we begin examining others. David Wilkerson will stand or fall before God, and I believe God is able to keep him from falling.

Have there not been times in all our walks we wish would have never happened? Things we have spoken of during our sermons, or words we have written, or actions we have done, or thoughts which have gone through our heads? Most of these unchristian moments for us, however, are done in secret. There are some things Dave has written I'm sure he wishes he could go back and edit. Such is the problem with writing critical, hard-hitting books: it feels right at the time of publication, but we are all still growing in grace and in the knowledge of God. Time goes on and we grow, but the book freezes you in that maturity level. There are things I said 10 years ago in ministry, for example, which I wouldn't say today, and I am glad they weren't recorded! I am more mature now and much less eager to "prophesy" every and any old thing that enters my heart or mind.

It does not mean a Christian is necessarily false if he/she prophesies a hurricane, for example, on Jan. 3 2009 and that hurricane never arrives: it could simply mean the person lacks the maturity to know his or her proper calling in God. The old saying applies well here in such cases: zeal without wisdom. It is, however, important to realize that God does not reject the Christian wholescale in such cases, and we should not either. The Lord is able to bring a rod of embarassment and shame upon their back without our help. We should instead turn our critical eyes meekly and inwardly upon ourselves and look upon Christ, less we too shame ourseves in some area, knowing how carnally flawed we all are without His grace - failed prophesy or not. Always remember: at any moment God can deservedly expose you in some area of your life only you and Him know about. It is only by His great mercy that He doesn't. Go and do likewise and avoid writing disparaging threads like this on another minister and servant of God, for by the same measure you mete out, such will be returned unto you.

Brother Paul,

You hit the nail right on the head. Praise God that every word that we have spoken that has not been in truth has not been exposed before men. Yet, we are so full of pride that we will judge a whole man's ministry on a few prophecies that did not turn out the way that we thought they should have.

It is shameful to say the least to be critical of a man of God such as David Wilkerson, and disregard all of the fruit that has come forth from his life and ministry.

I need the Lord's mercy, and I praise God that He has not exposed to the world every time I have missed it.

The ones that are quick to point out a man's failures need the Lord's mercy also. We will be judged even as we judge others.

Mike

AbideinHim....It is shameful to say the least to be critical of a man of God such as David Wilkerson, and disregard all of the fruit that has come forth from his life and ministry.

I will take it even farther here, you could place the words "Any Christian Brother or Sister" were you have David Wilkerson. There are so many Christian Brothers and Sisters out there that have done the same good, if not more than Brother Wilkerson, that just has not received the media attention. We have to be really careful not to boast or put anyone on a pedestal, there are lots of good Shepherd's out there, but Jesus Christ the Good Shepherd and The Good Shepherd giveth His life for the sheep, he and only he deserves all the Glory, we deserve this much "0".

Dear brother,

God has so lovingly shown me the inner corruption and unmortified pride and carnality that exists within my heart, that I dare not point a finger at anyone else - especially at another man of God who has done more in his lifetime for the Kingdom of Christ than I can ever imagine to do in mine. I need the grace of God each day to keep from falling in the pit. When we lose sight of this inner daily necessity, our eyes drift to other objects. We soon find ourselves latching on to the faults of others, like a man with terminal cancer forgetting his ailment and instead criticising another person for sneezing. How deceived we can become!

If we can learn to not invest our time diagnosing the assumed sicknesses in others, but rather scrutinize the ever-present disease existing within ourselves by the light of the Holy Spirit and in the face of Christ, we will soon see we have enough issues of unmortified falsehood, hypocrisy, phariseeism, self, lust, sloth and pride to last a lifetime to criticise. And the Great Physician will become ever more lovely to behold!

Paul

PaulWest If we can learn to not invest our time diagnosing the assumed sicknesses in others, but rather scrutinize the ever-present disease existing within ourselves by the light of the Holy Spirit and in the face of Christ, we will soon see we have enough issues of unmortified falsehood, hypocrisy, phariseeism, self, lust, sloth and pride to last a lifetime to criticise. And the Great Physician will become ever more lovely to behold! Paul

Amen! Brother Paul, spot on! I believe Christ said the same, the wording was just a little different. This will also help us keep, and remain humble. May our Lord's sweet hand square us and hammer us, and strike off all kinds of pride, self-love, world-worship, and infidelity, so that He can make us stones and pillars in His Father's house." ~ Samuel Rutherford (1600-1661)

Brothertom.....I cannot understand someone calling DW the name he was called in the title of this thread.

I agree Brother Tom, that was really uncalled for, and I sure do not condone it.

Endzone...I would never refer to this dear brother and man of God as a "whack job".

So did he or didn't he? this is the question, if we write something, and someone reads it, hasn't it been referred to?
I always think that if you write something the right way, the feelings take care of themselves.

What's really important about the question to this thread is that if he is God will take care of him, but if he is not, he will continue to bring forth very iencourageing sermons and words of promise and health to the lives of God's people, and all others that seek for a word of true life from God

Jesus-is-GOD.....Unfortunately MrBillPro - my last post was mainly directed to you. You're now eating your own words, whether you can see that or not. Yes, your comments regarding David from the Japan thread on have bothered me. That's what I mean about "let's get real". If we can talk behind David's back - we should be able to speak plainly to one another here - in truth! You've set yourself up as quite the judge on the Japan thread, the prophet thread and now this one and then go after Endzone for Just his one mistake of his choice of words for a title. I don't feel comfortable with your posts and the spirit of them. That's honesty on my part.

Yes, why don't you tell me how you really feel, glad to know David has such a wonderful following. I am a United States Marine "retired" I have no desire to talk behind anyone's back, I would Love the opportunity to speak in front of him, can you arrange that for me? but the way talking about Judging, you have me beat. I guess you miss the post were I said he was a great man of God.
God Bless.

Jesus-is-GOD on 2011/3/13 10:42:42 I hesitate to do this because ANY and I mean ANY fraction of His Body, as in "disputes", drain whatever strength I have because I'm not well at all but I just feel I need to quote MrBillPro again --- from the Japan thread - quote:
"(I take this to mean that since we have the Words of God Himself through His mortal Son, there is simply no need for further prophecy. What has been needed to be taught has been taught by Jesus, the Son of Man as well as the Son of God. There is simply no other need for future prophets.)"

And this is just my opinion, and I am sticking to it. And if you opinion differs I will respect it.

This is also my opinion:
Jesus was not a prophet. That is what Muslim's want us to believe.

God cannot be considered a prophet of Himself, and Jesus was spiritually God. Prophet's convey what God tells them to convey, when Jesus spoke as God, God was conveying to the people directly.

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him."
Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, 'Show us the Father?' Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works' sake. Most certainly I tell you, he who believes in me, the works that I do, he will do also; and he will do greater works than these, because I am going to my Father. Whatever you will ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you will ask anything in my name, I will do it.

John 14:5-14

I just have to go with God on Wilkerson:
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in my name or who speaks in the name of another god must die.“But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared.

For the record here since some are missing my posts on Wilkerson as a Pastor, he is an awesome man of God, and I am sure when he gets to Heaven, he will justly receive his reward. You will have my full attention when any modern day Prophet can fulfill this scripture below, until then I will go with what God say's.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in my name or who speaks in the name of another god must die.“But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared.

I do also feel, we should be asking ourselves this about our own lives