Deconversion: I can't say this guy is lying.

I've been struggling with my faith and lost almost everything and only wanted to figure this out. It was a crisis of faith and I put everything else on hold for this.

I know this is "bad" but I can't help empathize with this guy. He sounds like he genuinely sought God

I can relate to this guy.

please watch all four parts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa5FDATiErk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_396625&v=h97IurNPoG8&feature=iv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&v=0GMyD4-Y-EM&annotation_id=annotation_537080

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdKwyV1gnNw

I listened to part 1. I am not so sure it would be edifying to listen to all the parts. Are you working to prove that faith in Jesus Christ is a farce? In listening to the speaker on this video I could not help but notice how self-centered he is. It was all about "I" with a capital letter. I heard nothing about surrender, repentance, obedience but "I" and ritual - did this and that. And it failed. It sure will - every time. You can take this to the bank. If faith is only an intellectual thing, it will fail you every time because there are so many things out there that does not make sense. Why is there evil? why does God allow evil, cruelty to exist? So, you discard God as being irrelevant to society because he does nothing to stop it, or so you think. And what happens to people who live like this? They pursue a life centered on satisfying selfish interests only to find themselves caught in its consequences and then blaming God. Does this alone not convince someone of the futility of living for self? Moderns have been spoiled because they have imbibed the gospel of self-esteem and they want to marry it to Christian faith. It will never work. Self-esteem works to be on the throne where all are to serve ME, MY COMFORT, MY INTERESTS, I THINK... You need to take yourself to that cross and allow a crucifixion to take place and in a few days you will experience a resurrection. No, I refuse to listen to the remaining videos because I believe them to be devilish, unedifying. Sure, I have had to deal with my own doubts and it does no good to revisit them...I have doubted everything I had been taught as a child but God in his mercy kept working on me and succeeded. PTL!! and He will do it to any who want it. I am nobody special - if he will do it for me, He certainly will do it for anyone else.

I wrote this because I'm being genuinely honest. I don't know what to think. I think 99% of the christianity I've faced in decades of growing up and attending church is absolutely not the work of Jesus Christ. It just doesn't work. I've been searching earnestly for the real thing.

I admire your reasoning but I have to disagree with you about not watching the videos. Although, I'm not sure where the guy stands, the person who created those videos, I know, wasn't trying to be self centered. He surrendered much for Jesus Christ. He just burned out. And right now he is so very lost. I feel sympathy for him like Paul does for non believers. I really don't want him to go to hell.

Also, doesn't the bible say that we are transformed into a new person when we are saved and that the Holy spirit is in us. So by that premise, if I really believed in God, I would be willing to test it against anything because it would be the absolute TRUTH. I wouldn't believe that by watching some video of how a earnest christian STRUGGLED WITH FAITH would hinder mine.

I think most of us here live in a Christian cocoon, we love to be on this forum among believers but we have no guts to actually going out into the real world. I'm not saying this about anyone specific but I think it's just the general consensus here. Most people know the bible very well but i don't see people going out into the real world and dealing with real people and real problems.

Because the state of the modern church is so horrific today, I think true believers should fellowship with the lost, understand where they are coming from and minister to them. After all, isn't that what Jesus did?()

He might be blasphemy on most accounts but the author of the video is not wrong on the account that most modern church experience stems too much from feelings derived from the praise and worship experience. I realized how I overconfided in praise.

I mean as a christian, shouldn't we care to save this guy's soul.

I also disagree with the view that this guy is self centered. He served in the ministry, He worked his butt off to serve God, not to chase girls or fame. He cried out to God and to him it seemed like God was silent. And I think we all know what it feels like for God to be silent.

I mean I'm not really sure what kind of christian I am today. That's why I have so many questions and so much doubt. I'm so jaded by all the fake christians I've seen, I don't know what to think but one fact remains is that I'm earnestly trying to seek God and really believe to the point that I have lost most things and my condition is looking very bleak.

I'm not saying this to attack anyone but I just think we should have sympathy for people like this as Christ would and find out why the multitude of people are leaving the church. And if we really believe, try to love them and bring them back.

I really think we should be more honest with each other on this forum. And we should be open to sharpening each other even with harsh truth. I will dish it out but you should correct me as well.

I remember someone on this forum saying that we're going to have to start loving people because of these times even strangers. I was suprised because Jesus commanded us to love everyone and not just friends even before "these times" hit. (what you do to the least of these, you have done until me, and the his commandment on loving our enemies, even nonbelievers love their friends)

Everyone who has wooo hoooo’d a supposed great comment has failed to see that this man, codek, needs prayer. He is losing his faith if he hasn’t already. Should you really be patting each other’s backs (at a time like this)?

PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO:

He Died! by Paul Washer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Ej_f4rXP8

May God rouse you to "reality" and the sense of sin, and the reality of eternity.

After watching some of these videos it is clear the emotional music which is soulish, the very sensual voice of this individual is clear that he is probably into homosexuality, as he said in the video he struggled with sensuality. Having only a view of the fatherhood of God and not the fear of God will lead to this type of christianity and people falling away from this faith.

Sadly many who have these views don't really know God to start with.

Hi codek,

I think most of us here live in a Christian cocoon, we love to be on this forum among believers but we have no guts to actually going out into the real world. I'm not saying this about anyone specific but I think it's just the general consensus here. Most people know the bible very well but i don't see people going out into the real world and dealing with real people and real problems.

Matthew 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

I think true believers should fellowship with the lost, understand where they are coming from and minister to them.

So by that premise, if I really believed in God, I would be willing to test it against anything because it would be the absolute TRUTH.

Praying for you as well. You know I am. "Lord I believe, but help my unbelief!"

Thank you. This means a lot to me.

After watching some of these videos it is clear the emotional music which is soulish, the very sensual voice of this individual is clear that he is probably into homosexuality, as he said in the video he struggled with sensuality. Having only a view of the fatherhood of God and not the fear of God will lead to this type of christianity and people falling away from this faith. Sadly many who have these views don't really know God to start with.

Very true. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
But however misguided his zeal was, I can't say he wasn't being genuine about seeking God at church. I wouldn't understand what other motive he would have for all the actions he took.

Everyone who has wooo hoooo’d a supposed great comment has failed to see that this man, codek, needs prayer. He is losing his faith if he hasn’t already. Should you really be patting each other’s backs (at a time like this)? God bless, Lisa PS codek, I will comment more on the videos later today (I'm watching them now).

true words of wisdom

I think it's very important to not glorify the backslidden state but to hit the ground running Toward GOD with all one's might if there's even the slightest hint that faith is failing and doubts begin to flood in or one notices that they prefer to be with others who are not walking-the-walk.

One Brother recommended this booklet from Zac.

http://www.cfcindia.com/web/mainpages/book_window.php?book=the_purpose_of_failure

Instead of focusing on the ones who have fallen - we need to focus on those who have a message of how to get back up.

There are others as well.

Keith Daniel's message - "When the Godly fall".

And "Walking in the Light" by Oswald Smith

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=6618

And "The Christian Race" by Keith Daniel

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=4637

The Church is like a Hospital.
When someone comes in and their "life is ebbing" - there's no time to sit around and discuss "how" the life has come so close to death or is in coronary arrest - but the only course of action is Immediate action toward 'restoring Life'.

The more time spent watching youtubes like that - will not help one soul that is teeter-tottering on the brink of spiritual death.

To fear the LORD is 'the beginning' of wisdom.

Start with 'fear' of "the loss of Life" and start emergency measures to restore the life to any soul who's spiritual-heart monitor is beginning to 'flat-line'.

The longer he stays in that state - the higher the chance for brain damage (so to speak). He needs oxygen first - and then the needed procedures and medications to restart the heart and getting it functioning again.

The Holy Spirit - Prayer - The WORD - messages by men who know the heart of man.

You have our prayers - the rest is up to you. Get to GOD's ER and we'll back you - knowing that GOD is waiting and Always is for Any one who comes to Him for help.
He's always there for even the prodigals - IF they want to come Home. The fault is never with Him.

Just to explain myself. I'm not trying to bash this forum. I do not have a gift of words as most of you have already noticed. It just comes out. If I thought Obama did something wrong, I would tell him. I'm not trying to be mean, the truth in my mind just comes out.

I am active on this forum because I believe that people here actual do read the bible and truly seek God which 99% of christians don't even do. I respect your thoughts, comments, suggestions very much and that is why I continue to post.

This forum is a blessing because I have found sermons which are really hard to find and this is where I found sound teaching and doctrine. Paris Reidhead(ten shekels), Art Katz and others.

This is not a gathering of luke warm christians here.

Codek,

One major problem to be honest with you is guilt over sin, failures and a lack of desire to see God as He really is and sin as it is. I am not sure if you have had a moral failture or repeated sin in your life that guilt has knawed away to doubt. Please see the scriptures as your only hope. As pilgrim in pilgrims progress it said to him: "FLEE from the wrath to come."

That is your only hope. I hope many can continue to pray for you here.

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/myvideo/photo.php?lid=2522

what a truly blessed post from you. it was a "broken bread" post, vulnerable, authentic, real.

i dont know your circumstance in life, meaning the temporal world around you, ie, if God forbid, you're getting hammered in your personal life, job, family, but if you allow me, may i go out on a limb here?

i feel that your faith is strong, otherwise you wouldnt have made that second post in such a transparent vulnerable manner. Your faith might FEEL like its flagging, but in the secret place of your heart, you're holding onto the Hem of Jesus, out of sheer desperation, because in the end, we both know, Jesus is Real.

forget about all the side trips man takes on the road of religion, right now, obviously, it's just between you and Jesus. Just like Jacob on the bank Jabbok River, all alone, scared out of his wits, in the deep of night, and who did he wrestle with? He wrestled with Jesus, and said, 'I will not let you go, until you bless me'.

Jesus gave Jacob a new name, Israel, that night on the Jabbok, was holy desperation. forgive my audacity, but thats what you're going thru.

If your faith was truly shipwrecked, you wouldnt even be posting on this forum, because i know you know, in the final analysis, this second, me included, your brothers and sisters are praying for YOU....Jesus is praying for you, and my prayer for you, one i pray for myself is what the disciples prayed, and its one of the most simple:

Increase our Faith!

When you look back on this time in your life, y'know, just being crushed, broken, bended, cant even hear God, and you come out the other end, you will view it as one of the most blessed times in your life.

that sounds strange, doesnt it? You might be thinking, "i'm wandering around in the most desolate place in my life, and this guy is telling me it's a blessed time?

Yeh, i am. Because i been there, and i fully expect to sojourn out into the desolate places again, You know the Book of the Numbers..the Hebrew name for the Book is B'Midbar, translates "in the desert"...or in the desolate place. Did you ever notice, when Jesus had to talk with Our Father God, He always went to the desolate places?

Woke up before dawn, went to the desolate places and prayed? thats in the 1st Chapter of Mark.....or mountainsides....alone. i FULLY believe and am convinced that we recieve the greatest revelations of God's Love, of God's REALNESS, when we are in the desolate places.

Blessed as it is, you have to get FAR FAR AWAY from Jerusalem, because religion kills and Jesus saves, thats why John the Baptizer was on the other side of the Jordan, that beautiful freak, i love him so, he couldnt stand the religiostic stench of the pharisee's, and their pride, and their show of religion, their money making scams and schemes, their self righteous chest pounding.

The abuse he heaped upon them, called them a broood of vipers, and the tragic thing, the neo-pharisees are still with us today, may God have mercy on them, may He annoint their hearts with the Love of Messiah, so i understand your dillusionment with the current state of affairs, but its been like this for a very long time, look at Eli's degenerate "priest" sons, the phony little game they were running at their father Eli's house, so God sent a little man, a little boy named Samuel to set things right.

God created you Codek, for such a moment, and the second you believe like Jeremiah did, "i'm only a child, what can i do?"....God has you RIGHT WHERE HE WANTS YOU, broken, bleeding and battered. That might sound cruel, but He loves you like a Father, and sometimes a Father, whether it be our earthly fathers, or Yahweh, subjects us to loving discipline....and it never feels good when its happening, but even if your clinging by your very fingernails, in desperation to this Most Holy Faith, forget about the dross of man, keep your eyes focused on Jesus, and He WILL NEVER LET YOU GO...Jesus PROMISED that, and in Him there are no lies.

God created you Codek for such a moment, and what moment would that be? i believe with all my heart body mind and soul, in the Holy Spirit, that ONE man, with the Glory of God on him, can spend one hour, two hours...whatever, in heart rending prayer ascending to the Throne, and change the world.

and that man could be you, search your heart,you know i speak the Truth in Christ.

two last things, one, i really wish i could be with you in the person right this second, just silently praying, whatever...talking, praying, crying, laughing, but i'm with you in spirit.

the second thing is, and i beg your leave on this, i know you're probably sick of hearing sermons, but many times in the past, when i found myself pressed, bewildered, hurt...i had stumbled upon a really intense beautiful bit of exhortation from Michael Brown, like me, another Jew who follows Jesus, called "Holy Desperation"....i cant explain in human words, what happened when i listened to this on my knees, in the dark....but trust me, give it a listen, and if led, listen to it on your knees:

http://askdrbrown.org/media/albums/ICN/Revival/Holy%20Desperation.mp3

i love you brother, i'm with you, more importantly, infinitely more so, Jesus is with you, neil

Codek, if I may use the Hospital analogy again and someone in "heart failure" rushing to the ER ... if he can still speak at all during this heart-failure and the Dr asks, "Have you a Dr?" -- and the man says, "Yes" - and then Dr asks, "Did you act on the recommendations he gave you to change your life-style and take the medications he prescribed for you?" and the man answers, "No" ... Then the ER Dr knows all the more of why this man's heart is failing him.

In your prayer request today on the other thread, you said -

"I sound like a broken record but God hasn't done anything in my life to really change it."

Do you see the connection here?

Now this patient is in the ER - claiming to be "flat-lining".

We call that a "Code Blue" at the Hospital and you probably know what they'd do first - "the defibrilator" or as some may call it "Shock the guy."

The "fear of the LORD" is that first 'shock' that awakens a person enough to begin the remainder of the emergency procedures to get their heart back.
Somewhere - the 'fear' of the LORD must have been just enough shock for you to ask for prayer - but saying that "GOD hasn't done anything" is definitely a problem with you. And posting these youtubes just sends a message that you didn't want to follow your Great Physicians orders when they were first given to you, somewhere along the line.

You need the defibrilator again and we'll pray for that and that you'll see that it is never our Great Physician that is not responding or co-operating but has prescribed the ways for all of us to stay consistently heart-healthy.

None of us want to 'Charge GOD foolishly' & "some save with fear".

Hey brother Codek, sincerely speaking, what is it exactly that your looking for out of Christianity?

Let me share something of what I look for out of Christianity.

I am a great sinner and I need a great saviour. One such man stepped forward and paid for my redemption to which I am eternally grateful. There are others who share in this as well to which I am happy to be apart of. But I had to stop looking for that perfect Church on earth because it can't be found. Paul tells us to look unto Jesus and nothing else. When you look to Him for your sustenance all doubts flee away.

If I may suggest something, it would be advisable to stop watching programs that bring doubt to the validity of Christ.

Let me say further that it doesn't take a lot to adjust the mind to exhibit faith, all it takes is the willingness to do so and flinging aside the reasonings of doubt, and God will do the rest. Allow Him to do that by simply asking Him to make Himself real to you. Having prayed that in all sincerity, go about your day and allow Him to work in mysterious ways that will knock your socks off.

It's just you and God and if He includes anyone else in your life to be a blessing to you and you them, then count that as a perk. But it basically boils down to just you and Him.

I watched all four parts, and I have to say, while the guy primarily talks about himself and his "experience", I do applaud him for his sincerity and honesty.

That being said. I believe he summed up his entire experience in his last sentence...

" I was running to the very thing that was hurting me the most."

...and he's right. Based upon his own words, its clear that he never knew the love of God. Oh he told God that he loved Him, but he never knew and came to a rest in the love that God had for him. So all he had, even with all his wonderful experience, was dead religion.

He wasn't running to Jesus. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but he was not. If a man runs to Jesus, his burden is lifted..."Come unto me..." He was running to an idol. A God of conditional love. A God of his own making. One who cannot hear and cannot speak.

The most fearful warning in scripture is not in regard to lying, murder, hatred, lust, etc. The most fearful warning in scripture is found in Hebrews 4:1,2:

1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

The most difficult thing for a person to do is to receive the unconditional love of God that is found in Christ.

We are at war, Joe and unfortunately the Church has not shown up for the battle. They don't understand the enemy or his devices so how can they understand how to do battle and overcome.

Not everyone that is living in defeat is a false convert. In fact, many are Christians.

That is clear throughout the Word of God. We have so many examples in the Word of God's people walking with God, then straying and getting in a horrible predicament, taken captive by their enemies and spiraling down into complete confusion of soul.

We see here that spiritual bondage and oppression from the enemy all starts with our own responsibility.

Psa 106:13 They soon forgat his works; they waited not for his counsel:
Psa 106:14 But LUSTED exceedingly in the wilderness, and tempted God in the desert.
Psa 106:15 And he gave them their request; but sent leanness into their soul.

How many of us have experience this leanness? I would say, probably everyone.

If we don't repent we then become SUBJECTED to the ENEMY. The works of the flesh open us up to deeper oppression from Satan.

Psa 106:39 Thus were they DEFILED with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.
Psa 106:40 Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance.
Psa 106:41 And HE GAVE THEM into the hand of the heathen; and they that hated them RULED OVER THEM.
Psa 106:42 Their enemies also OPPRESSED them, and they were BROUGHT INTO SUBJECTION under their hand.

It is a pitiful state that we sometimes find ourselves or our brethren in and our natural inclination is to think that maybe they aren't saved.

Psa 106:43 Many times did he deliver them; but they provoked him with their counsel, and were brought low for their iniquity.

I think what strikes me the most about this Psalm is the compassion of God for His people even though they sinned and rebelled and were brought into horrible spiritual bondage. The discernment we need is how to minister to those that have become captive to the enemy so as to show them the way out of their darkness, the way of deliverance. They may very well have had a conversion, yet were brought back into bondage through their sin.

Psa 106:44 Nevertheless HE REGARDED THEIR AFFLICTION, WHEN HE HEARD THEIR CRY:
Psa 106:45 And he remembered for them his covenant, and repented according to the multitude of his mercies.
Psa 106:46 He made them also to be pitied of all those that carried them captives.
Psa 106:47 Save us, O LORD our God, and gather us from among the heathen, to give thanks unto thy holy name, and to triumph in thy praise.
Psa 106:48 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting to everlasting: and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the LORD.

Neh 9:27 Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, WHEN THEY CRIED unto thee, THOU HEARDEST THEM from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies THOU GAVEST THEM SAVIOURS, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.

God will give them compassionate brethren who have understanding and know how to lead them out of darkness. This should be our heart for the hurting. There are many that are saved, yet confused, buffeted, hurting and in bondage and do not know their way out.

I too, am praying for you, Codek.

A777

Briefly, I was truly feeling the annointing on what Brother Oracio was posting and Thank him for it.

Today, on another thread, we discussed Rev 2 - of Balaam and Jezebel - both of which led the people into fornication.

One was a prophet gone bad and the other prefered false prophets and wanted the true prophet dead. 1Kings 18 & 19.

I have to speak plainly, that this preaching of what I now term this 2% doctrinal arsenic mixed in with clear water as "Logan's Lie". I know he's not alone with his putting too much blame on "devils" but because of how much this 2% is being pushed and allowed since his series was bumped, it's now merited that title.

IF you give a young or not fully commited Christian this bit about "bondage by demons to a sin" - you have promoted 'fornication'.

I said briefly, so I'll close this with just that.

I won't let you get away with that JiG. No one is saying that we are not responsible for our own problems. Please provide a quote in this thread where I said what you intimated.

Now, you can stand back and point the finger and criticize all kinds of things but does anyone know how to help the poor guy out of his troubles?

Do you just sit back and lament the preaching of the gospel today, the quality of discipleship, and the genuineness of conversions or do you reach out and help a real live human being? Stop using him as an example to buttress your opinion about today's Christianity. There is a time for that, and this is not that time.

It's so easy to say that someone is not born-again and then skip on your way, down the street.

A777

Codek,

PM me, I want to know if you live close to me.

There is help in Jesus Christ.

A777

Mr 777 said: "Stop using him as an example to buttress your opinion about today's Christianity."

I'd have to say that is exactly what you are doing - again.

PM you? Who do you think you are here?

Your use of the O.T. with all of the Promises of Christ's finished work on the cross - His Blood that destroyed the enemy's power over us - etc being left out is wresting His WORD and is highly dangerous to any struggling or not truly regenerated person.

Are you saying your threads here are all Inerrant? Infallible? Have you set yourself up as the sole Teacher on SI who has "the Truth" - with your countless threads?

To say the least your OCD - because you get on a topic and can't stop. Whether it's tithing, the KJV, and this latest thing about "land" that HE purchased for those who would only Love Him with all of their hearts, minds, soul and strength --- and that's ALL that HE has ever asked for - from Deut to the Revelation... but man loves himself more than GOD so they build their house on sinking sand.
It's as easy as all of that = LOVE!

I do want to say, that I do appreciate all those on this thread that have spoken words of wisdom and compassion to Codek.

A777

Compassion is defined by you as what? Everyone prior to your post had compassion. True Compassion is giving a person the Biblical Truth of what Christ has done for mankind and what He asks for in return.
The truth of what the fruits of true redemption looks like.

When someone says "God won't do anything" to help them - if that in your eyes is a justified accusation against Christ - then so be it ... but "human" compassion kills.
True Truth from His Word sets free, if the person is willing to count the cost and know what they're asking for when they ask Jesus to live through them.

You asked for a quote. Your use of the term "bondage" is to demons.

I asked on that other thread "where do you find that in the New Testament?"

I provided every verse that included the words "bondage" and the only one verse that used the word "stronghold" and the verses that use the term "deliverance" - and none of those verses prove that a true Christian can be in "bondage" and need demons "cast out" of them that are "in" them.

I also proved our entire walk is based upon our own "choices alone".

If you persist to use words that are not used in our New Testament - you are belittling what GOD did on that Cross and by His Resurrection and by His sending the very same Spirit of Creator GOD to reside within us.
With just "one word" improperly used and not found in the New Covenant - you can open the door to lethal lies being fed into a person's mind - yes, from demons who will torment a person's mind and soul through those lies - that are contrary to Scripture - which makes it contrary to Christ Himself, Who is GOD in the flesh that inhabits His Own people.

Col 2:14,15 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; and having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Albert Barnes on Col 2:15 -

"And having spoiled - Plundered as a victorious army does a conquered country. Notes, Col_2:8. The terms used in this verse are all military, and the idea is, that Christ has completely subdued our enemies by his death. A complete victory was achieved by his death, so that every thing is now in subjection to him, and we have nothing to fear.

Principalities and powers - Notes, Eph_1:21; Eph_6:12, note. The “principalities and powers” here referred to, are the formidable enemies that had held man in subjection, and prevented his serving God. There can be no doubt, I think, that the apostle refers to the ranks of fallen, evil spirits which had usurped a dominion over the world, Joh_12:31, note; Eph_2:2, note. The Saviour, by his death, wrested the dominion from them, and seized upon what they had captured as a conqueror seizes upon his prey. Satan and his legions had invaded the earth and drawn its inhabitants into captivity, and subjected them to their evil reign. Christ, by his death. subdues the invaders and recaptures those whom they had subdued.

He made a show of them openly - As a conqueror, returning from a victory, displays in a triumphal procession the kings and princes whom he has taken, and the spoils of victory. This was commonly done when a “triumph” was decreed for a conqueror. On such occasions it sometimes happened that a considerable number of prisoners were led along amidst the scenes of triumph see the notes at 2Co_2:14. Paul says that this was now done “openly” - that is, it was in the face of the whole universe - a grand victory; a glorious triumph over all the powers of hell It does not refer to any public procession or display on the earth; but to the grand victory as achieved in view of the universe, by which Christ, as a conqueror, dragged Satan and his legions at his triumphal car; compare Rom_16:20.

Triumphing over them in it - Margin, or, “himself.” Either “by the cross,” or “by himself.” Or, it may mean, as Rosenmuller suggests, that “God Col_2:12 triumphed over these foes in him; i. e., in Christ. The sense is substantially the same, that this triumph was effected by the atonement made for sin by the Redeemer. See the word “triumph” explained in the Notes on 2Co_2:14. The meaning of all this is, that since Christ has achieved for us such a victory, and has subdued all the foes of man, we should not be led captive, but should regard ourselves as freemen. We should not be made again the slaves of custom, or habit, or ritual observances, or superstitious rites, or anything whatever that has its origin in the kingdom of darkness. We are bound to assert and to use our freedom, and should not allow any hostile power in the form of philosophy or false teaching of any kind, to plunder or “spoil” us; Col_2:8. The Christian is a freeman. His great Captain has subdued all his enemies, and we should not allow them again to set up their dark empire over our souls. The argument of the apostle in these verses Col_2:13-15 is derived from what Christ has done for us. He mentions four things:
(1) He has given us spiritual life.
(2) he has forgiven all our trespasses.
(3) he has blotted out or abolished the “ordinances” that were against us.
(4) he has triumphed over all our foes. From all this he infers that we should not be made captive or subdued by any of the rites of superstition, or any of the influences of the kingdom of darkness."

Ok, thanks Oracio. I understand.

Bless you, JiG.

A777

I watched/listened to the first 3 parts. The first video uses a young teen's voice and the others use a grown man's voice. This is clearly an ORGANIZED attack on Christianity; that is it's sole purpose. This is not one person's sad tale or search. There is also some indication by video part 3 that someone in the organization confuses Catholicism with Christianity. Additionally, we are never told just HOW the boy in video part 1 came to BE a supposed Christian. Was he simply born into a Christian family? Did he pray a "magic prayer" or answer an "altar call" or make a "decision" for Christ as the Billy Graham movement has falsely taught since the 1950s? Or did he ever have a REAL, life changing encounter with God that changed his heart and mind and resulted in biblical REPENTANCE? The problem is that today people are given a false assurance that they are "now saved" because they prayed a prayer or "asked Jesus into their hearts". These methods are all heresy (i.e false Gospel) and are not taught anywhere in the Bible. Rather, the Gospel is this: REPENT AND BELIEVE in Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. That is, believe He is the Son of God, that He is God in the flesh (God the Son) and that He died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day, etc. And there is no other.

Alot of people BEGIN this way but then get sucked into a works-based theology; they think they have to keep themselves saved by WORKS and so THAT becomes their real motive for going into ministry, etc and they burn out. In essence they become Marthas, and burn out, when all along the Lord may have been calling them to do nothing more than to come and sit at His feet and be Marys (simply be with Him and learn of Him and minister to Him in prayer). You seem to think this video poster was a real Christian simply because he was in some sort of "ministry" and all. Well there are lots of people in ministry who shouldn't be. God never called them to be. At other times, God only intended for a person to be in a certain role or place for a certain length of time and then He leads or drives them out, when we thought that was where He wanted us. Well it WAS where He wanted me, but only until a certain something was accomplished either in me or in my fellow man.

Lastly, if you have lost almost everything, remember that Job did too. So have I. So have many others. David Brainerd and others come to mind.

a777, the reason some of us are not endeavoring to reason with or reach out to codek is because we have had this conversation before and it's the same thing all over again. It's great to see that he is still under the light of truth here and has not completely turned a deaf ear to it. The only thing left for him is what he will do with all that truth that he has been exposed to. JIG, thanks for your encouragement.

Actually Oracio, I have to correct you here. I spoke to two people here on the forum. It's hard to understand where I'm coming from these internet posts. And I even called you out on the last one and all you really did was spit bible verses back at me so I just stopped responding. You were totally off on your remarks on the last thread.

To be frank, I'm not feeling any love from you, just religion and condemnation, basically "an it's all your fault" condemnation. Please excuse how direct I am with this reply but You don't know me.

My impression of you from your posts is that you really don't care about me at all. It seems like you just want to shove more religion down my throat, prove that you are right and show how much you know.

But I won't hold you to my first impression because I don't know you. So until you get to know me, I'm not going to judge. Remember, I offered my number to you if you wanted to talk about my situation. I'm also out in L.A. And you never replied.

I also have a difficulty understanding Christian lingo now. I've been around the church where this lingo was use for manipulation so I now don't trust it. You have to treat me like an almost new believer. That's why you were wrong and a lot of that advice can't help me because I can't understand them CAUSE THEY ARE IN HOLY SPEAK.

All holy speak I thought I knew turned out to be a total sham so now I'm starting over.

I watched all four parts, and I have to say, while the guy primarily talks about himself and his "experience", I do applaud him for his sincerity and honesty. That being said. I believe he summed up his entire experience in his last sentence... " I was running to the very thing that was hurting me the most." ...and he's right. Based upon his own words, its clear that he never knew the love of God. Oh he told God that he loved Him, but he never knew and came to a rest in the love that God had for him. So all he had, even with all his wonderful experience, was dead religion. He wasn't running to Jesus. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but he was not. If a man runs to Jesus, his burden is lifted..."Come unto me..." He was running to an idol. A God of conditional love. A God of his own making. One who cannot hear and cannot speak. The most fearful warning in scripture is not in regard to lying, murder, hatred, lust, etc. The most fearful warning in scripture is found in Hebrews 4:1,2: 1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. The most difficult thing for a person to do is to receive the unconditional love of God that is found in Christ.

Exactly, most of us grew up in this phony church. I'm trying to find the real God but it's been so hard and unfruitful that I just would wake up thinking there couldn't be a God if I tried this hard and made no progress but there would be this weird feeling that there had to be a God that keeps me going.

I need to desperately understand God's love. Cause for the most part all I experienced that was suppose to be of Christ was lies, hate, and pain.

I have another reason for this search. Because I believe 99% of the church has no idea who Christ really is and they are going straight to hell. I want to figure this out so the rest of the modern church would know the truth also.

Cyan Wrote: "I watched/listened to the first 3 parts. The first video uses a young teen's voice and the others use a grown man's voice. This is clearly an ORGANIZED attack on Christianity; that is it's sole purpose. This is not one person's sad tale or search."

Yes, "an organized attack" - no different than our impression on this other thread as well ...

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36760&forum=44&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

The Church needs discernment and soon, with how this world is going. Listened to some good Keith Daniels and thank GOD that man doesn't mince words neither. There are those who creep into the Body with motives that some can't discern.

You Codek, need to go to prayer with a Bible and take it to HIM and HIM alone - and just know that people 'have been' praying for you.

You posted today on that thread linked above that "you understand Jesus' 1st and 2nd commandment" ... Then in the last post on this thread you again say that "you need to desperately understand God's love."

No, you already know how He loves His Creation and died a horrific death after being tortured for YOU but you just don't want to practice the commandments to love Him and others yourself and need to go back and read those 14 pages of how people on this forum tried to "help" you - but you've spurned GOD and now are Accusing HIM again and His Saints here.

I pray you get alone with HIM and leave these members alone to post to those who Truly are wanting Christ.

You need to be isolated with HIM Alone!

From the thread "Great Quotes 12" posted by SermonIndex -

"The only time you can say 'Christ is all I need'

is when Christ is all you have."

- Leonard Ravenhill

you know....no wonder the young man in the video's, or maybe codek, are hesitant to REALLY unburden whats on their hearts.

they're afraid of the FRIENDS OF JOB, the censure, the rebukes, the assumptions, even to the point of judging the VOICE of the young man and making the implication he "might" be into homosexuality.

i would exclaim, "unbelivable", but i realize its all very believable, because we're all so HUMAN, and our hearts are dark and deceitful, cold and without any love, sometimes.

Sometimes, when we let God the Holy Ghost have sway, we are FULL of God's Love, and that love might be just to listen....than encourage...or be a shoulder to lean on.

i wonder how many of you, beneath the hard brittle cover of religiousity, harbor deep dark secret sin, that you will never feel safe enough to confess. hmm?

thats why the church in america is in so much trouble today, its just become a bright shiny phony country club for saints, instead of a hospital for sinners.

that young man, AND our brother codek are the "barometer's" are what is going on with our children...are you all REALLY going to listen to them and love them...or just cast them into the dark with such statements like:

"never really was a christian".

just shameful. That's your rebuke, and i did pray before i posted.

Did you read the 14 page thread from December and the repeat of the accusations against GOD that come out of this man, Neil?

The Church needs Discernment.

These are some verses that apply here -

Act 8:23 "For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity."

Heb 12:15 "Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God;

lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you,

and thereby 'many' be defiled"

Earlier I wrote that "human" compassion "kills" and you can believe that.
Human compassion is "pride" working through a person who desires to be the hero who will save the wrangler.

When someone consistently accuses GOD - we had Better have our spiritual antenna up - as The Word says - "many are defiled" by their accusations against GOD.

Unless you've read all of this man's posts on both threads and have been given a word of discernment - to accuse the brethren who have posted to this thread - From Discernment you are accusing the wrong one(s).

Discernment between true and false is sadly missing here and it will trickle down as the LORD said it will.

And "most" will fall away from the Truth and because iniquity abounds the love of most will also grow cold. That's Reality!

"and some save with fear" - not soppy human sentiments.

To pray for a man and then tell him to get alone with GOD is Not a Sin. It's his only answer to be saved in the end, with fear and trembling.

Some save with compassion - others with fear and pray for the discernment to be able to see the difference - lest Many Be Defiled here and in your own churches.

Pray for discernment or risk the "Many" for 'one'.

Did you read the 14 page thread from December and the repeat of the accusations against GOD that come out of this man, Neil?

no......i believe i was doing something God honoring, like loving my family during the holiday season.

The Church needs Discernment.

wrong, the Church needs Love....Humility, Grace, Mercy, a Baptism of the Holy Ghost...and then more Love.

oh my, i just read thru the rest of your post, and its not even worth it to argue, or fuss with you.

SIX, count them, six times you use the word "discernment"
three times you use the word "defiled".

no Jesus, no "love", no "mercy".

and then, you write this line, which is YOUR OPINION:

Earlier I wrote that "human" compassion "kills" and you can believe that.
Human compassion is "pride" working through a person who desires to be the hero who will save the wrangler.

chapter and verse,please.

wooo! the hardheartedness just takes my breath away.

i'm gonna ask you a question; shortest verse in the Bible:

"Jesus wept".

why did He weep?

why?

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

i guess you cant or wont answer my simple question.

maybe Gandhi was right....too bad, i thought we were sposed to be a "peculiar people"...radical in love, mercy, charity, hope and Faith. i thought the gentiles were sposed to say, "look how they love one another".

this is just sad.

Praying for The Church to have Discernment when they "counsel". Amen, and Amen!

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
2Ti 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
2Ti 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

"The only time you can say 'Christ is all I need' is when Christ is all you have." - Leonard Ravenhill

That's a great quote but I just can't trust it. So is the perfect christian life a life where you ONLY SUFFER. Cause that's the way it's looking to me now.

If it is that way, why does God even talk about marriage and why did some people in the bible get blessed. If what is best for us is just suffering, why not be the ultimate sufferer?

Have only Jesus in our life, lose everything, have no friends, no wife, no nothing, suffer and die.

Hi codek,

Slowly, over the weeks, from various things you've posted, I've gained the impression you grew up in a variety of prosperity gospel / American Dream kind of churches, not realising that you were being taught a complicated lie about God's priorities and nature. I have a friend that this happened to, who also has this feeling of being made to 'suffer' beyond what is reasonable, every day, who still does not find peace in a biblcal gospel.

At the beginning of 1 Peter 4, he says 'he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin', and he's talking about live people. Normally, when we say that a person's suffering is over, we mean they have died.

Realistically, this IS the solution the Bible offers - to sink into the death of Christ - to end all our woes. It seems terribly harsh at the time, if we do not yet see how reasonable a solution to sin God finds it. Indeed, He recommends it. But until we are sick of ourselves, our sin, our everything, it's spectacularly unappealing to die.

I hope you realise I'm talking about becoming identified with Christ's death through a spiritual miracle. By another spiritual miracle, we become identified with His life, and nothing ever seems quite so bad again - but don't take that as a synonym for 'easy'. People who have come to the cross of Christ find it is the backbone of their new life in Him. Without it, they are sickly.

that was a very good, very appropriate word, Linn. well spoke.

thats Kingdom speech, loving measured gentle.

tell me about a King, where a prostitute washes His feet with her tears and hair, out of relief, grief, joy, sorrow, thats the King i follow.

i wish people would stop trying to be Paul and just get low, coz none of us is Paul....but i sure like what you wrote to our codek, God the Holy Ghost is just gonna ring his bell, wish i could be there. Thats why i'm praising God, codek aint going nowwhere, he's going back to Jesus, and i shout HalleLuYah, knowing that.

i hope you hear me codek, Jesus will not let you go, you know it and i know it, love you....you're gonna get a job, you're gonna get shalom,you just got to believe bro.....coz Jesus has you anyway.

Slowly, over the weeks, from various things you've posted, I've gained the impression you grew up in a variety of prosperity gospel / American Dream kind of churches, not realising that you were being taught a complicated lie about God's priorities and nature. I have a friend that this happened to, who also has this feeling of being made to 'suffer' beyond what is reasonable, every day, who still does not find peace in a biblcal gospel. At the beginning of 1 Peter 4, he says 'he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin', and he's talking about live people. Normally, when we say that a person's suffering is over, we mean they have died. Realistically, this IS the solution the Bible offers - to sink into the death of Christ - to end all our woes. It seems terribly harsh at the time, if we do not yet see how reasonable a solution to sin God finds it. Indeed, He recommends it. But until we are sick of ourselves, our sin, our everything, it's spectacularly unappealing to die. I hope you realise I'm talking about becoming identified with Christ's death through a spiritual miracle. By another spiritual miracle, we become identified with His life, and nothing ever seems quite so bad again - but don't take that as a synonym for 'easy'. People who have come to the cross of Christ find it is the backbone of their new life in Him. Without it, they are sickly.

Of course, absolutely, I grew up in the modern church where 99% won't make it. Most christians are taught this. And yes the modern church teaches a prosperity gospel which is a tamer version of the joel osteen variety. How else will they fill their pews? They have to lie knowingly or unknowingly.

And a wise man told me once that Jesus did not come to heal our sickness, he came to heal our sinful nature. I'm slowly beginning to realize that fact. I'm figuring out what the true gospel is but it won't happen overnight.

You guys have to realize that I'm not of the same variety as the people here. If you guys are NBA pro's, I'm still a high school bball player.

And right now I'm not saying give me this or that but I'm saying don't obliterate everything and make me suffer(this is beyond what most of you guys are facing here, I only know this because most people are not as distraught as I am right now.)

I really, really don't care if I live another day. I only fear hell and God.

Do you guys know what that feels like?

It feels like I have to go to a weekly meeting where one of my body parts gets chopped off of me. I'm not saying this because I want pity. I'm suffering more than normal. That's all I'm saying.

Imagine what has to happen to a person for a person to say "I really, really don't care if I live another day."

Again I must say, I'm not a seasoned pro like most of the people here JUSTAN AVERAGE JOE LUKEWARM WANNABE CHRISTIAN who just realized there is something very wrong here and I'm searching for the truth.

I didn't know what "Christ is all I need" means really. A lot of times it's still very abstract. And the only examples of people that used that saying in my life have been misused it to make themselves look more holy. So I am weary of those phrases.

Thank you, AlivetoGod, I can feel how sincerely feel you care for other christians. I really do mean that.

Real Christianity is serious business. To be a christian, you have to be REALLY willing to die for this. Before I thought that was a cute saying now I'm beginning to realize that it's means what it says.

that was a very good, very appropriate word, Linn. well spoke. thats Kingdom speech, loving measured gentle. tell me about a King, where a prostitute washes His feet with her tears and hair, out of relief, grief, joy, sorrow, thats the King i follow. i wish people would stop trying to be Paul and just get low, coz none of us is Paul....but i sure like what you wrote to our codek, God the Holy Ghost is just gonna ring his bell, wish i could be there. Thats why i'm praising God, codek aint going nowwhere, he's going back to Jesus, and i shout HalleLuYah, knowing that. i hope you hear me codek, Jesus will not let you go, you know it and i know it, love you....you're gonna get a job, you're gonna get shalom,you just got to believe bro.....coz Jesus has you anyway.

I really wanted to shun God but even in the midst of this wreck I call my spiritual life, I believe you. I'm trying so hard to run away but something won't let me go.

Thank you for your words of encouragement and prayers!

Yes, AtG, that was a sweet word to a hurting soul.

Codek,

That is the way our God is. The Bible says that the law came through Moses but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Without His grace we could never receive His truth. He doesn't just speak truth to us, but gives us His grace and love to enable us not only to receive His truth but to love it, also. He lavishes grace on us and I can see He is doing that with you. He has done the same with all of us.

The Lord wants you to come to Him and REST. Unlike the religious system, He has no intention of ever defrauding you or taking advantage of you. You are tired and worn out and weary of being lied to and deceived. Come to Jesus and rest. Rest, my friend. Unload your burdens to Him. He is meek and lowly in heart and He came for those that know they need a Physician. You know that you are "sick" and need Him. Don't come half way, come all the way. You are coming to Jesus, not any man. You have nothing to lose except a miserable life. We all lost a miserable life and wondered why we did not do it sooner.

Codek, in reality we have all been taken advantage of by our mortal enemy, Satan. His only aim is to kill people by stealing their hope and destroying their identity.

Jesus wants to give you new hope and a new identity. Like AtG said, let the old Codek die, and rise up with Christ, to be a new man.

"He who conquers" was the risen Christ's word to members in every one of the seven churches that are spiritually described in Revelation 2 and 3. Even to backslidden, lukewarm, failing Laodicea.

"He who conquers", To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (Rev 3:21).

This promise to be a conqueror is beyond our strength and this new purpose of being a conqueror is way beyond our reach. In Christ (with Jesus) we receive the power to conquer even while we are in our earthly bodies. If that were not so, He would never have told us to arise and do it.

It is true that we must begin inwardly with a birth and must also pass through the matrix of death. It is like Paul said,

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Look to Jesus and only Him and you will discover the joy that vanquishes all suffering. Your life will be wonderfully enlarged in ways that you cannot even guess, because it is so totally beyond you. None of us could even remotely understand what we were stepping into when we "stepped into" Jesus' and took His hand and said, "OK Lord, I will trust you".

Hear these words from God to you, Codek:

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and WITHOUT PRICE (Free).

Incline your ear, and COME UNTO ME: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

COME UNTO ME, all ye that labour and are HEAVY LADEN, and I WILL GIVE YOU REST. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

If you have never heard the mountains singing or seen the trees of the field clapping their hands, do not think because of that, that they don't. Ask God to open your ears so you may hear it and your eyes so you may see it, because, though few people ever know it, they do, my friend, they really do.

A777

I really wanted to shun God but even in the midst of this wreck I call my spiritual life, I believe you. I'm trying so hard to run away but something won't let me go.

Thank you for your words of encouragement and prayers!

oh codek, you just break my heart with joy!!! God the Holy Spirit used me to write those words to you, and by your testimony, you have proven Him to be Real, you break my heart with joy! He is Real! and Jesus loves us all, period, end of sentence.

in my own life, Today, has just been a huge Praise day, God has blessed me, and your words, are the cherry atop the cake. Good night beloved brother, neil

thank you for all your replies. I'm taking some to take all the replies in and carefully thinking about what I need to do next.

Saints,

I ask firstly you all be in prayer for Codex to encourage him and write him private messages as needed. As for the videos and the this thread continuing I feel it is not profitable so we are locking this thread.