If you're a guy, have you had enough of the feminist movement?

Endzone,
You might be interested to know that Wayne Grudem has done quite a bit of work on the issue of feminism.

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=11101EB&product_redirect=1&Ntt=11101EB&item_code=&Ntk=keywords&event=ESRCP

I am sick of the feminist movement myself. I told my wife when I see the word I also think of militancy.

What is really bad for me is I have to take a course in college called Intro to Women's studies. With it being college it will not doubt be feminist. The book itself is called 'Women's voices, Feminist Visions'. A guy a teaching this course.

Endzone "I'm waiting for the next post that will be from a lady that was mistreated by her first husband."

Here I am! I have NEVER supported 'Woman's Lib.' It disgusts me. At the time of my 1st marriage I was young and ignorant but never blamed men. At the time of my 2nd marriage I was still young and still ignorant, still did not blame men. At the time of my 3rd marriage God blessed me richly. Both my 3rd husband and I had been exposed to Christian preaching and saved in our teens, although we back slid. Thank God for his mercy and forgiveness.

Still, I blame the women not the men. Got that clear?

white stone

Endzone,
I have the book. I can send it to you for free. Do you really want it?

Renoncer

I have been treated well by my first and last husband which happen to be the one and same! :-)

My preacher-grandpa treated me with love as did my uncles. And how I loved, respected and admired them - although this love and respect varied with individuals.

by Endzone on 2011/8/4 5:02:32

I'm 54, and I've been around this now for 30 or 40 years. Wasn't the feminist movement an undeclared act of war against men? Or, do you believe the feminist movement was justified and that women were treated badly? Do you think Christian women have bought into the feminist movement?

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I would like to answer but from a different point of view if that is ok. I was brought up during the late seventies and into the eighties. Feminism was taught in school where I went actually. I can still remember in the third grade my teacher, she was really a nice lady but a feminist to be sure. Many of her values struck a cord with me because things at home were not so great. Mom worked her bottom off while dad did his own thing. Mom was the support and back bone of our family while dad was mostly missing in action so to me as a young girl a lot of the things my feminist teacher was saying sounded really good. I hated seeing my mom being taken advantage of. I hated the attitude that some men had toward their wives, treating them as if they were there only to be at their disposal. So I was open and very impressionable...now fast forward a few years and as a now saved Christian wife and mom some of those old feminist teachings still linger and it has at times in the past been a real struggle for me to die to. I have come along way, God has done a mighty work in my life but there are times every now and then that I still want to insert my opinion or prove I am capable. I especially have a hard time with older men who think that their wives have no voice, that they belong only to serve them. My father in law can be like that. Instead of loving his wife as the Lord instructs him to. It can be a really difficult thing to over come because there are real tragic stories out there of women being abused and mistreated but feminism is not the answer, Jesus alone is.

If both my husband and myself are seeking Jesus and walking with HIM daily then our marriage will be strong and we will both be able to function just as Jesus has plan for us to :)

God Bless
mary

Endzone

"I'm 54, and I've been around this now for 30 or 40 years. Wasn't the feminist movement an undeclared act of war against men? Or, do you believe the feminist movement was
justified and that women were treated badly? Do you think Christian women have bought
into the feminist movement?

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Endzone, I do not think that the feminine movement for equality in law was an attack on anything, and had it stayed at equality of treatment in law and wages, no one should object to it. But it wasn't. Instead the desire to be able to vote, to not be robbed by their husbands, nor treated as chattel was twisted, in my opinion, by dark forces, to cause the family to break down, and with it, traditional society.

From the people I have talked to, and observed myself, I have gotten the impression that a lot of women would be delighted to go back to traditional, covenantal relationships, but can find a good, Believing guy. How any of us are to manuever in this society where both women and men are bombarded with sexual imagery, and a propaganda war from the feminazi's and their demon cohorts, I don't know.

Unfortunately, even those women who would gladly walk back into the position of being a strong women behind a strong man are trapped in what seems to be the end of days beginning, and the Adversary has things set up to a point that there is no way back, not entirely at least.

It would be nice to think that all Believers brought up in a loving home would live only at the equality end of the picture, but men, even Believing men of good intent, are controlled by the social forces around us. The fact that many men from the 1890's on knew how badly some women were treated, and yet said nothing, and did less due to their comfort in resting at the top of the family pyramid, and their inability to see that feminine equality and voting rights did not have to make any real dent in their command structure, and that they could have stopped some of the worst abuses of feminazi actions by a little pre-emptive thoughtfulness.

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"But I guess as a single never married guy I sometimes wonder how this feminism stuff
applies to me? I've never been married. What woman did I mistreat? I never once lived
with a girl. In fact I've only had 1 real girlfriend in my life. But I've confessed before that
I had a LOT of sexual sin in my life."
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Endzone, single or not, you are part of the mess we have on our hands. Even if you have done no wrong to any woman, all of us are being taught to Fight against God's curse on women, to bear children in pain, and look to their husbands, just as men are being taught that to accept that taking their position, and responsibilities at the top of family tree are no longer necessary. It affects us all, particularly as westerners marry later and later, and bring few offspring into the world, changing the demographics that affect how our lives will be led.

As for sin, that seems to be a problem for both sexes.

If you would like to marry, there are plenty of fish in the sea. But to catch fish, one needs the right bait. Make your self over in Yeshua, and think of how He would have loved a woman, and how He would have treated a wife, had He chosen to take one. Plan to be that man, pray for help, and you will find even in these days, a partner to stand in equality at your side, who is yet willing to lean on you, as you lean on Adonai.

Q

Krispy, you said:

Thats just it, Ginny... if husbands loved their wives as Christ loves the church what woman would want to be a women's-libber?

Lots of people reject Christ, who never sinned and never treated anyone other than the right way. How easy is it to reject someone who is a sinner and is imperfect and makes mistakes? I am in the process of divorce (not my choice). The women's lib movement is a huge factor in the failure of my marriage. I read a statement from someone that said that the legal system as it exists today encourages women to divorce their husbands, and it turns out that it is true.

The legal system does not care about the people involved, or their beliefs. Please pray for my family, as the legal system will not and will just fill in the blanks on the forms, which are terribly flawed, and then turn their backs on the outcome.

If you find fault in my statements, please say so and I will repent.

I question the necessity of this thread.

One of the most prominent landmarks in Washington D.C. is the Washington monument, highly visible it dominates the city's skyline. On top of the monument(at its highest point) is a capstone reportedly weighing 3300 pounds and inscribed with the latin phrase "laus deo" - praise God.

Monuments serve as tributes. They are memorials to victories or sacrifices and loss, in the present and in the past. They can memorialise victories and defeats, not just of wars and battles, but of ideologies as well.

If there is a single persistent and defining characteristic, one prevailing thought which could summarise the course of western society and life, driven by a host of anti-God ideologies that were born out of the philosophical upheval of Europe in the last few centuries, it would be, in a word, rebellion. And if that rebellion were ever to be memorialised, if ever there were a monument erected to immortalise for now and all time the progress and victory of rebellion over every God honoring institution and thought of western society and life, it would likely have as its capstone, so called 'women's lib'.

And luas deo might very well be replaced with 'praise god, she's a woman too'.

Men and women have absolute equality in their value and in their worth. Not in their roles, or in the ways they were made, how they were fashioned, the gifts they were given, by God, to glorify God.

Abolishing the distinctions and values of those roles has been a truimph of the satanic rebellion against God in the west.

Women are not better for it, just more burdned.

Instead of being the highest treasure of a home, women in the 'liberated' society are sexual objects, filled with burdens and stress, dress think and act like men, and taking pills by the bottle full to cope with a multitude of problems with physical and mental health.

A recent report on ABC news said that according to a Gallup health and well-being index, women ages 45-64 have the 'lowest well-being' of any age group in America.

A June, 2011 LA Times report blames smoking, high-blood pressure and obesity for an actual decline in women's life expectancy in some parts of the country. No suggestion is made as to why the women are smoking, have such high-blood pressure, and are overweight. Of course, it's just bad life-choices.

Sure.

"Wasn't the feminist movement an undeclared act of war against men?"

It may be more accurate to say it was an act of war against God.

Provocative clothing and fanning the flames of lust is among the lesser things that men have to be confronted with as a result of the torrent of feminist propaganda that's flooded the world for a century. Ignigting women's lust for power has had devastating results,

"Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you"

Before posting here I had sat down in a coffee shop. A woman sitting next to me had several people stop by to talk to her(women), likely friends who had stayed at the same hotel where the shop sits. One that stopped to talk was going to see her other friend preach at her new church. She was the pastor. The woman she came over to greet responded she too had a female friend who was a pastor(bishop I think she called her).

Later another woman came by and they began to talk about some event where a popular Christian Gospel singer was in attendance. The conversation centered around a he said she said and the dynamics of power involved in the event and elsewhere.

Women have been encouraged to seek and pursue postions of power and influence in any and every place where men have had them before, including in their homes.

A woman's ability to perform the tasks that were before reserved for men has been taken as a mandate for female empowerment to do just that. The attitude is this: because a woman CAN do something, she SHOULD.

In the words of the Irving Berlin song "Anything you can do I can do better; I can do anything better than you."

That anything today, of nescessity, includes getting, keeping, and using, power, wherever and whenever they can find an opportunity to grab it.

"Women would have No UnBiblical power unless the Men allowed it."

That is absolute nonsense.

Since this is not the Islamic Replublic of Iran, religous morality and doctrine is not enforceable by law or the end of a sword.

Be that as it may, woman have and continue to sieze religous power wherver they can, in spite of the protests and objections of men. That some foolish and silly men allow themselves to be led by them is BESIDES the point, because those same women would RULE a congregation of only women just the same.

"Paul says that women are not to "usurp" authority over men.

That word "usurp" = G831- αυθεντέω - authenteō = From a compound of G846 and εντης hentēs (obsolete; a worker); to act of oneself, that is, (figuratively) dominate: - usurp authority over. Part of Speech: verb.

and...

No one can "usurp" authority unless they are permitted to."

This makes no sense. No one can 'dominate' over others unless they are allowed to? Are you serious?

Power grabs are precisely that - asserting one's self by excerting power and influence over others. The means vary, the ends are the same - somebody who WAS in power, gets kicked out.

And how did all those denominations that you referred to, WHO ONCE HELD to the Biblical rule of authority, how did they end up embracing women in the roles of leadership and power?

Did some poor sheepish woman sitting in the congregation just minding her own buisness suddenly get nominated by the GODLY men that once ran those organisations to take the reigns of power? Hmm?

Or did women with the cooperation of men who had bought into the same feminist ideas, push the rigid old gaurd out, WITH THE COOPERATION OF THE CONGREGATION.

The blame game didn't work in the garden and it has no place in this thread either.

I think you're pot has too many bitter herbs in it and not enough meat.

"If a woman can get away with usurping authority OVER a man, then it is the man's fault for allowing it."

The many GODLY men that fought against the creeping feminist push and agenda in their congregations didn't allow it.

They fought against it and WERE PUSHED OUT by the rebels. Both men and women.

The blame game is pointless here.

You can beat the horse but it wont ride.

"No one can usurp authority over another in the Church unless they allow it."

They certainly can and do. And those who do fight against it and are forced to leave by the men and women pushing them out.

That is STOLEN AUTHORITY.

"If a woman can get away with usurping authority OVER a man, then it is the man's fault for allowing it."

It's only the fault of men if they stay after women and men have stolen the God ordained control of the Church from men.

"I think the horse that I'm riding - not beating - is Biblical Doctrine - about the role of men and women in the Church. Did the Apostles allow such things in The Church?"

None of which is in dispute here or among the people on this site. But your horse keeps leaving tracks that say Biblical authority in Churches was undermined soley because men failed to assume their roles of leadership and protection over women. Which is nonsense.

Both men and women have participated in forcing out those who maintained Biblical doctrine, IN SPITE of their protest.

They did lay down their lives to protect their congregation and the women in them. But you can't protect someone while they have a strangle hold on your neck. When there was rebellion in David's kingdom through his own son, David left.

And the result of the feminist inspired rebellion along with all the other humanist inspired ideologies and doctrines from among and within the Bible believing Churches has been inummerable church splits and new demonminations.

To say that its the result of men alone failing in their responsibilty to stand for truth and doctrine is a pot of nonsense.

Paul forbid women to teach because SHE WAS FIRST DECIEVED. And deception begets more deception.