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*I saw this on the Drudge Report where it contained the caption, "MARK OF THE BEAST?"

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Electronic skin tattoo has medical, gaming, spy uses
AFP News
Aug 11 03:43 PM

A hair-thin electronic patch that adheres to the skin like a temporary tattoo could transform medical sensing, computer gaming and even spy operations, according to a US study published Thursday.

The micro-electronics technology, called an epidermal electronic system (EES), was developed by an international team of researchers from the United States, China and Singapore, and is described in the journal Science.

"It's a technology that blurs the distinction between electronics and biology," said co-author John Rogers, a professor in materials science and engineering at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

"Our goal was to develop an electronic technology that could integrate with the skin in a way that is mechanically and physiologically invisible to the user."

The patch could be used instead of bulky electrodes to monitor brain, heart and muscle tissue activity and when placed on the throat it allowed users to operate a voice-activated video game with better than 90 percent accuracy.

"This type of device might provide utility for those who suffer from certain diseases of the larynx," said Rogers. "It could also form the basis of a sub-vocal communication capability, suitable for covert or other uses."

The wireless device is nearly weightless and requires so little power it can fuel itself with miniature solar collectors or by picking up stray or transmitted electromagnetic radiation, the study said.

Less than 50-microns thick -- slightly thinner than a human hair -- the devices are able to adhere to the skin without glue or sticky material.

"Forces called van der Waals interactions dominate the adhesion at the molecular level, so the electronic tattoos adhere to the skin without any glues and stay in place for hours," said the study.

Northwestern University engineer Yonggang Huang said the patch was "as soft as the human skin."

Rogers and Huang have been working together on the technology for the past six years. They have already designed flexible electronics for hemispherical camera sensors and are now focused on adding battery power and other energy options.

The devices might find future uses in patients with sleep apnea, babies who need neonatal care and for making electronic bandages to help skin heal from wounds and burns.

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This thing is applied to your forehead or hand.....and it is only in it's very infant stages. It is very tiny also, about the size of a match head, and thinner than a hair. It looks like a chip of film, with microscopic S's engraved on it.

The odd thing about it, is that it is a monitor....and implanted, can actually connect you to the Internet....and retrieve data also.

Imagine...everyone on the Earth required to have one...and to buy or sell.....It would be verifiable....and eventually impossible to fool.

Hunger is a powerful tool...and to eat, or not to eat....may be the most Manipulative Extortion mechanism upon Earth. The Mark of the Beast is now at least, in the grasp of man, to have vivid control instantly of every human being on the planet.

Say it could never happen...but the Word says that it will...and this would be financially in the grasp of almost any Nation today. The "Secret Rapture" will not save you or your children, for there won't be one. Only faith in Jesus will Grace you with the endurance to Stand before HIM in the end.

Revelation 7:13-15
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13. "And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14. And I said unto him, "Sir, thou knowest." And he said to me, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them."

THEY WENT IN....THEY CAME OUT! Overcomers. This is right on our doorstep.

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First it was the UPC bar code. Then it was the RFID chip. And now this. Gets creepier all the time.

Blaine

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"Unfortunately, Christians have a long track record of identifying prominent individuals as the antichrist: several popes, Adolph Hitler, Benito Mussolini, John F. Kennedy, Henry Kissinger, Mikhail Gorbachev and Juan Carlos. The same can be said of the enigmatic number 666, which has been equated with everything from credit cards to computers to the hand stamp at Disney World. The modern church needs to do away with such inappropriate speculation, which is informed by an anachronistic reading of current events back into the Bible."

"There have been almost a legion of names in many different languages that have been deciphered in the efforts to find solution for Code 666, ranging from the merest conjecture to a frantic religious fanaticism that borders on lunacy. This visional mark was an emblem of submission to emperor-worship. It was the stigmatic badge of the beast stamped in their right hand, or in their forehead, signifying a binding oath of loyalty. All who conformed to the imperial orders received the mark of the beast, personified in the Roman emperor -- the Neronic antiChrist."

"The unexpected element in the computation was that it had to be worked out in Hebrew, a language that at least some members of the churches would know. His readers would have guessed by now that he was speaking of Nero, and those who understood Hebrew probably grasped it instantly. The numerical values of the Hebrew letters in Neron Kesar (Nero Caesar) equal six hundred sixty six.

John’s Biblically informed readers will have already recognized many clear indications of the Beast’s identity as Rome (indeed, they already knew this from reading the Book of Daniel). Now Nero has arrived on the scene as the first great persecutor of the Church, the embodi-ment of the "666-ness" of the Empire, and – Lo and behold! – his very name spells out 666. It is significant that "all the earliest Christian writers on the Apocalypse, from Irenaeus down to Victorious of Pettau and Commodian in the fourth, and Andreas in the fifth, and St. Beatus in the eighth century, connect Nero, or some Roman emperor, with the Apocalyptic Beast.

There should be no reasonable doubt about this identification. John was writing to first-century Christians, warning them of things that were "shortly" to take place. They were engaged in the most crucial battle of history, against the Dragon and the evil Empire which he possessed. The purpose of the Revelation was to comfort the Church with the assurance that God was in control, so that even the awesome might of the Dragon and the Beast would not stand before the armies of Jesus Christ. Christ was wounded in His heel on Friday, the sixth day, the Day of the Beast – yet that is the day He crushed the Dragon’s head. At his most powerful, John says, the Beast is just a six, or a series of sixes; never a seven. His plans of world dominion will never be fulfilled, and the Church will overcome through her Lord Jesus, the 888, who conquered on the Eighth Day.".

"Beyond all shadow of doubt or uncertainty, the Wild Beast from the sea is meant as a symbol of the emperor Nero. Here, at any rate, John has neglected no single means by which he could make his meaning clear without deadly peril to himself and the Christian Church. He describes this Wild Beast by no less than sixteen distinctive marks, and then all but tells us in so many words the name of the person whom it is intended to symbolize."The Jewish Christian would have tried the name as he thought of the name-that is in Hebrew letters. And the moment he did this the secret stood revealed. No Jew ever thought of Nero except as ‘Neron Kesar,’ and this gives at once 666"

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But what if you're wrong? Will you allow your wife, children and yourself to take a mark in order to buy & sell, should that ever become the only way to survive?

"mark"

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χάραγμα
charagma
khar'-ag-mah
From the same as *G5482*; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.


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χάραξ
charax
khar'-ax
From “charasso” (to sharpen to a point; akin to *G1125* through the idea of scratching); a stake, that is, (by implication) a palisade or rampart (millitary mound for circumvallation in a siege): - trench.


G1125
γράφω
graphō
graf'-o
A primary verb; to “grave”, especially to write; figuratively to describe: - describe, write (-ing, -ten).

I'm more inclined to believe this is not "the mark" but they're just playing around - getting minds ready for what they already have in mind.

I posted on this forum years ago, while listening to the bbc while online here - 'The Interview' [the name of the program] with a man attending the G-8 meeting and he said that the National ID card won't work internationally - that we needed the chip.

Whether it's a chip or a true type of permenent nano-ink tatoo - he and that program was dead serious.

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"But what if you're wrong? Will you allow your wife, children and yourself to take a mark in order to buy & sell, should that ever become the only way to survive?"

It won't happen,so I don't need to fear.
Futurism breeds fear.

I'm already sealed by the Father in Christ.

He can't/won't lose any who are His.
Jesus gives eternal life not temporary.

Cain's heirs are already marked as well.

Stop speculating and keep evangelizing(proclaiming)!

Jesus Saves!

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

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No desire to debate, savannah, but just to clear one point.

Since I've come to see post-trib, I don't think I've ever felt fear since.

Our brothers and sisters around the globe have gone and are going through possibly more than we will.
That we would be accounted worthy at any time, to suffer for Him, is what we knew that Christianity included since the beginning and until the He returns.

There is no fear in love.


Blessings!

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He can't/won't lose any who are His.
Jesus gives eternal life not temporary.

You can however renounce your faith and Christ, Christ gives you salvation it doesn't mean you have to keep it.

This is what the mark will be a renoucing of Christ, Also why would we have to perserve and hold strong to the faith if that faith wasn't even in danger, Oh Christ is strong indeed but we are weak and easily manipulated when it comes to our carnal needs ie Food, shelter, etc.

There will be many that fall away from the faith, they will be one with the faith and simply fall away from it all. These are believers in Christ mind you. You are only sealed with the Father as long as you stay in the arms of the Father. Those that accept the mark are going to be ones that lost faith and put their hope in the mark rather than Christ.

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savannah wrote:
He can't/won't lose any who are His.
Jesus gives eternal life not temporary.

Sounds like a new gospel to me because if what you said is true then there really shouldn't be any martyrs at all, don't you think? They should be able to renounce their faith and go on living for Christ in secret.

Lisa

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N. Korea comes about as close to what living under the antichrist will be. The leader of N. Korea has proclaimed himself to be god, his son is Jesus, and his mother is the Holy Spirit. Talk about antichrist. All citizens are to revere Kim sung ol as divine. Failure to do so will result in prison or death. You must give allegiance to the dear leader if you want to eat.

You also see what Christians in N Korea are suffering. Because they give allegiance to Christ they go forage for roots and grass. They thank God when they can find a rat to eat. In prison they will pick through rat droppings to get the corn kernals to eat. And thank God. Those precious few who make China to get bread will often return to N Korea with the bread of life, the Bible. Do you know tha according to Voice of the Martyrs the average life expectancy of a N Korean evangelist is 3 months!!! Can you wrap your mind around that???

Folks we are not talking futurism in the book of Revelation or something that happened in Rome. We are talking persecuted church RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.

Yes, I do believe a time will come when the antichrist will arise and the mark will be demanded. But their will be a remnant who will say no and they will pay the price. But that has always been the testimony of the church. Look to Eritrea, Samalia, India, Pakistan, China, etc. Do you get it? There is a persecuted church.

At the risk of being heretical, but I have a reputation for that, balance your Ravenhill and Washer with some Richard Wormbrandt. Brother Wormbrandt wrote a book called Tortured for Christ. I read this book twice before. I am rereading it again. It will give you some ideas of how the remnant will live under persecution. Actually the N Korean believers are probably saying what are you talking about living under the antichrist. We are doing it now.

Submitted by Blaine Scogin

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The Testimony of Richard Wurmbrand was a 'sticked' thread here back in 2007.

It still has the old code in it - but it can be found on the Net.

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=16110&forum=40&9


We have followed VOM for decades and have read all of his books and he stated clearly that he wrote them for us because he strongly believed that persecution was coming to the U.S..


He never did a thing to make a name for himself - but he lifted his shirt and showed our government his scars, for whatever good it did. We haven't seen our government help any of the persecuted Christians in any nation and for that, we, as a nation, will be held responsible for every one of them.

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Hi All,
For me the more the more important issue is why is the taking of the mark irreversible?
The people that take the mark must do with a clear knowledge of what they are doing.
What happens if a christian (or non christian) is forceably given the mark?If it is just a tattoo,this could happen.So their must be something more to it than a mark that holds information(which is important).
Their has to be a spiritual dimension that someway inhibits the person from being saved or gauranteed that whoever takes the mark will be annilihated.
No doubt we will develop or are already developing the technology to have a mark that will hold and use all types of information but their is something more to the subject,
Yours Staff

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murrcolr

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

The mark and the number of his name are a Mystery and will be revealed at the right time.

What I do know is this that God will raise up a people who will get the Victory over beast, his image, his mark, the number of his name...

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hi Murrcolr,
Good comment and scripture.
Yes their is mystery in the mark and number and we dont fully understand yet.
For instance the mark is irreversible yet it is not the unforgivable sin mentioned earlier in scripture,
Yours Staff

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Rev 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up *for ever and ever*: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

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The United States has an embassy in Asmara Eritrea. To the best of my knowledge the American government has not raised a voice about the shipping containers.

Blaine

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Does anybody in this forum understand my reference to a shipping container????

Blaine

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And China, etc.

This is where I agree with David Wilkerson, from his book, "Set the Trumpet to thy mouth" where he said "America is Babylon".

Reading Rev 18 and the other prophetic words through-out the OT and New - there's only one place on earth that fits every description of that future tense Babylon.
But she's a "Great City" so we need to narrow it down as well to a city.

She "rides the beast" and there's a beast sitting in Manhattan that's been around a little more than 60 yrs, that's suppose to be feeding the hungry children and coming against human rights violations .... sure, OK, right.

I for one feel betrayed, as over 50 yrs ago, as children, we were sent around our town to collect money for UNICEF.

"Reward her double..."

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ginnyrose

"Does anybody in this forum understand my reference to a shipping container????"

I think so - you are implying that persecution has not stopped, that it is still ongoing...How far off the mark am I?

ginnyrose

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hi, i am surprised to see all this chatting about something i see as plain as day. the hebrew children had an idol in front of them.bow down or suffer the heat of the furnace. it was not sneaky so as to Gods people being duped into something so slick. do you think God will let satan steal the prize of the cross with something that is not clear? i do not worry about the mark cause i am following Jesus and Him alone.the joy of the Lord is my strength and i shall not fear.jimp

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One poster said,

"This is where I agree with David Wilkerson, from his book, "Set the Trumpet to thy mouth" where he said "America is Babylon". Reading Rev 18 and the other prophetic words through-out the OT and New - there's only one place on earth that fits every description of that future tense Babylon."

This is where I agree with that Most Holy Book where It Is Written,

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

"...there's only one place on earth that fits every description of...Babylon."

Yes! There is only one place. And that place is certainly not america. That one place on earth that fits every description of Babylon is Jerusalem!

According to His Word quoted above it is where our LORD was crucifiied! Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem!

And Sodom is applied there to apostate Jerusalem.

There is only one city in the Bible ever referred to as Sodom. It is Jerusalem, see Deuteronomy 32:32 , Isaiah 1:10,11, Jer.23:14,

"For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter."

"Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats."

"I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evil-doers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them to me as Sodom, and the inhabitants of it as Gomorrah."

America didn't kill the prophets of God, (Rev. 18:24) nor did Jesus tell the U.S.A. they would pay for all their(prophets)innocent blood (Matt.23:34-38)!

Mat 23:34-38 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes; some of whom ye will kill and crucify, and some of them ye will scourge in your synagogues, and will persecute them from city to city: so that on you may come all the blood of the righteous, which hath been shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zachariah, son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Verily I say to you, that all these things will come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent to thee: how often would I have gathered thy children, as a hen gathereth her young under her wings, and ye would not. Behold, your house is left to you desolate!

Babylon that great city is a “great harlot.” Rev. 17:1

Harlotry is equated with idolatry in the O.T. God had entered into a covenant relationship with the Children of Israel: Isa. 49:18, 61:10, 62:5, Jer. 2:32.) He warned them what would happen if they “played the harlot” (worshiped other gods), and sent prophets to call them harlots when they did.

Do not rejoice, O Israel, with exultation like the nations! For you have played the harlot, forsaking your God. You have loved harlots' earnings on every threshing floor. Hosea 9:1

My people consult their wooden idol, and their diviner's wand informs them; For a spirit of harlotry has led them astray, And they have played the harlot, departing from their God. Hosea 4:12

These things will be done to you because you have played the harlot with the nations, because you have defiled yourself with their idols. Ezekiel 23:30

Isaiah called Jerusalem a "faithful city" and a "harlot" in one breath because once 'righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers'. "How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers." Isaiah 1:21

Nowhere in the Bible is america named as a harlot.

Babylon that great city “committed fornication” with the king's of the earth. Rev. 17:2

Moreover he [Jehoram] made high places in the mountains of Judah, and caused the inhabitants of Jerusalem to commit fornication, and compelled Judah thereto. 2 Chronicles 21:11

Note: Josephus the Jewish historian of the first century called Jerusalem "the great city" Every designation of "Babylon" in the book of Revelation was used by secular writers of the first century to describe the city of Jerusalem!

Rev.18:2,4,8 "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird... Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues...Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her."

Jesus warned that his disciples should flee the city of Jerusalem to avoid its destruction, which occurred in 70AD as Jesus prophesied it would in their generation.

Luk 21:20-22 "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that its desolation is nigh. Then let them who are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let them who are in the midst of it depart from it; and let not them that are in the countries enter into it. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." Rev. 18:9 for in one hour is she made desolate. Matt. 23:38 Behold, your house is left to you desolate!

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Note: The city of Jerusalem was built upon seven hills, Mount Zion, Mount Ophel, Mount Moriah, Mount Bezetha, Mount Acra, Mount Gareb, and Mount Goath.

The City of Jerusalem as it existed in the time of Christ was reckoned to be the "City of Seven Hills." This fact was well recognized in Jewish circles.

The New and Holy Jerusalem is now that great city which is being built by God. That building,that temple,that city, is us.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Seeing there is a new Jerusalem,the old has been done away with. The Destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD is what Christ prophesied, and John in the prophetic Book of Revelation wrote about.

America [or Rome for that matter] is not Babylon but the old apostate Jerusalem which is fallen and destroyed.

Rev 18:19-21 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

The Book of Revelation is not about politics or goverment but God's Covenant with His people revealed in Jesus Christ.

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You are on the money. Persecution is still ongoing.

Blaine

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If memory serves Babylon was often a code name for the world or Rome that exemified the world system. Peter writes in his letter she who is in Babylon sends her greetings (1 Pet.5:13). Tradition suggest Peter was writing his letter from Rome.

But whether Babylon is symbolic or literal God is going to judge her. The message is clear. God is calling his people to come out of her. Also for his people to not take the mark. I do not pretend to figure out how to interpret Revelation. But I do agree with your concluding statement. It is about Jesus and his covenant with his people.

Blaine Scogin

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Come September, see what is decided for Israel.

Savannah, regardless of what you believe - Please don't take a mark in order to buy or sell.

All of His Very Best to all!

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Due to some comments I read on this thread;

Again I say, futurism teaching breeds fear...as well as confusion.

For those interested in following up on who Mystery Babylon is I recommend the link below to a sermon entitled,"Mystery Babylon is Jerusalem, not Rome".

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1016101552160

Bless God.

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Sister do you hold to a post millenial view of eschatology? Are you of the view that the events Jesus described in Mat.24, Luke 21, Mk 13 were fulfilled priorr to or about 70 AD? Do you take the position that Revelation was written prior to 70 AD? You seem to be arguing a post mil view of the return of Christ.

B/sine

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Personally I favor an amillenial view of the return of Jesus. I have read some of the works of George Elton Lard and find his historic premillenialism interesting.

Blaine

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Blaine,

Firstly, I'd like to clarify that I'm one of His sons,not one of His daughters.

Secondly, I'm also familiar with George Eldon Ladd and find his writings very insightful, and intersting as well. Although I certainly wouldn't agree with his conclusions as he was,as you stated,historic premil.

Thirdly,I'd answer yes to your question,"Are you of the view that the events Jesus described in Mat.24, Luke 21, Mk 13 were fulfilled priorr to or about 70 AD?" I'd answer yes as well to your question,"Do you take the position that Revelation was written prior to 70 AD?"

If you have ever heard of Jay Adams,he wrote a book in the early 1960's entitled,"The Time is at Hand". It is very brief,yet full of eschatological truth. If you read it you'll know what I believe on these things because it would be something I'd have written myself.

Jay Adams would be considered an amil partial preterist(past-fulfillment). As much as I despise labels, sometimes they're helpful to understand one's views. And other times people misunderstand our views, as they stereotype all who may believe much of a certain view and place them into a mold of their own making.

Thanks for asking Blaine

Note: If I were one of his daughters I'd not attempt to teach the Bible on this forum,or anywhere for that matter,other than at home to my children. It would be shameful and inappropriate for me to do so as God prohibits such in His Most Holy Word the Bible. There are some women who are keenly aware of what God hath said,but there are other women who'd reply,hath God said!
This is to their shame,as it is to the many men who support them.

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Brother my apologies for the gender mix up. I assume your screen name implies you are from Savannah GA. I apprecate you answers to my questions. I am familiar with Jay Adams more on the area of counseling than eschatology. Though it is not surprising he would hold to a post nil position. I think, if memory serves, he was influenced by Lorraine Boettner. But then don't quote me on that last statement.

Personally I do not hold to the post nil position nor the dispensational premil position. I take thr amillenial view as seeing the kingdom began with the arrival of Jesus Christ and will culminate with his second return. I mentioned George Elton Ladd. But I think others in the reformed camp have held to amillenialism.

I see that the amil view, sometime nick named the now nil view, best comports with the teachings of Jesus regarding the kingdom. Particularly as he taught about the kingdom in Mk.4. As he told the parables of the coming seed and the mustard seed regarding the kingdom, I think of the now and not yet. Now we are in the kingdom, but not yet to see its consumation until he comes. Oh well just some thoughts.

Brother was not trying to debate. Just trying to clarify some thoughts. I guess in the end I am a pan nil. It's all going to pan out for God's glory.

Blaine

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I truly don't know why there is a quote button when the thing hasn't worked in a couple of months now.

"You can however renounce your faith and Christ, Christ gives you salvation it doesn't mean you have to keep it".

I would have to say that your faith in the scriptures is very weak, or obtained some bad teaching.

Once you are sealed by the Holy Ghost, your sealed, there is no stepping away.

Try it sometime. Try getting away from God and His Christ and see where it will land you. When your one of His, there is no running away. We can renouce Him until the cows come home, as much as Peter cursed and renounced Christ in his day, God didn't abandon him because of his words. He was faithful and true because He called him.

I know of a man who was a homosexual before he came to Christ but because of the struggle that was in his life, he renounced Christ and left the church went and lived with his lover. Time had passed and the Lord came to Him and wooed him, he argued with God tooth and nail, but in the end he repented. When we have His Spirit in us, it's not a just a light thing, we are one of his kids and He just doesn't fling us into the abyss because we have a disagreement or we want to go our own way live in riotious pleasure and find ourselves in some hog pen eating slop.

As for the topic,, the only thing that I can contribute to this is what John said nearly 2000 years ago,

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even NOW (in his time) are there many antichrists; whereby WE KNOW that it is the last time.

Seems straight forward to me that what John was talking about was referring to his day. To stretch this means that someone has invented a very stretchy elastic that even God is not aware of.

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