Children who die in infancy?

What happens to children who die at birth or while they are very young in unchristian families? Where will they spend eternity?

They are not accountable at all. They will spend eternity with God.

God bless,
Lisa

QUOTE:
"This is one of those things better left to God since the Bible does not specifically address it. No one here can answer this question pertaining to the age of accountability with certainty."

AMEN!

We cannot do anything to change its outcome, either. The Catholic church addressed this issue by stipulating that infants get baptized. We know baptism does not save - it is an act of obedience to the LORD that one submits to it. Babies do not have that ability. All they can do is cry, eat, sleep and soil their diaper!

QUOTE:
"The mother was sobbing "she hasnt been baptised... she hasnt been baptised..."

I truly HATE Catholicism. It is an evil."

The original Catholic Church believed very differently:

"...and when a child is born to any one of them, they praise God, and if again it chance to die in its infancy, they praise God mightily, as for one who has passed through the world without sins.”

- Aristides' Defense Addressed to the Emperor Hadrian in 125 A.D.

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"That was pre-300AD... you're only talking about 2 generations after Christ. That was not the Catholic Church that formed after Constantine."

That is correct dear Brother. However, the early Church was truly "catholic", according to their own definition of the term. In those days, the true "universal" church was distinguished from all the gnostic false churches by their belief in the apostles' simple, straight-forward doctrine, and their literal obedience to the apostles' tradition and practices.

The term "catholic" (like so many other terms), was later assumed by others who saw the psychological value in continuing to use the mere term, but did not value continuing to agree with the early Church who actually coined it.

However, there is no need to quibble over this term.

The important thing is that we believe what the apostles actually wrote to us.

Be well Brother,
Doug

Baby goes to heaven.

Reference King David speaking about his 1st male child that died after being born to Bathsheba.

Blessings!

Yes, Abortion is still bad because murder is still a sin and thus still wrong.

Krautfrau, I believe the answer to this is found in Luke 17:1-- "Then said he [Jesus] unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!"

Yes, the only good thing about it is that they are safe in His arms. And it is better to die in early childhood than to go to hell. But "WOE unto him, through whom they come!"!! WOE unto those who slaughter innocents, no matter if it insures the innocents Heaven!

There is danger in such "seeking of truth", you maybe well intentioned but one that isn't so well intentioned would use your very argument to justify the killing of the unborn and innocent twisting it to their needs so as Krispy said "Why go there?".

Brenda, as one who has worked in a pro-life ministry for many years, I have asked the same questions.

The conclusion I have come to is that there may be no logical conclusions. It is like the others have said, murder is SIN. but if these innocents go to heaven upon being aborted why should you fight it? Logic breaks down here. Faith steps in carries it from here. God said "don't" and we must back off and allow him to teach us what it holy and take it from there.
[EDIT] And allow God to be God...

Does this make sense, Brenda?

ginnyrose

QUOTE:
" good to hear from someone else who worked in pro-life ministry"

You work in a pro-life ministry as well? I did for many years and learned more there then you ever could reading a book! If you work in one, what is your take on your experience there?

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"What was your involvement?"

I worked as a counselor. Included in this job was pregnancy testing.

We talked with the females trying to find out where they were spiritually and take it from there. This was all part of our total counsel. I used to say I heard every story of human depravity known to man and imagination. I got to the point where I no longer was shocked at anything, but still could get mad. I valued this ability, believing that once sin no longer bothered me, I was all done for. I thank the LORD he has kept me from becoming calloused to sin.

We did chastity counseling in addition to helping the ladies who are in a crises pregnancy. If they were abortion minded we worked to get them to understand why this is the wrong option, based upon the WORD which life experiences supported.

Likely among the worst ideas we faced was when a female was pregnant and she did not want this child. She knew it was sin to abort, she knew God would help her through it all, but she still chose to abort, firmly believing God will forgive her after doing so! She believed that after she had the abortion she will come back to God, ask for his forgiveness and he will forgive her!

It is my opinion - and I have never met another female who shared it - but I fervently believe that if a single conceives, the child should be put up for adoption because the child deserves a mama and a daddy. Parenting is tough as it is and moms need a husband in the home to assist. It is rare that a single will choose to adopt out. Culturally it no longer is a disgrace for a single to have a baby out of wedlock. Some will plan it, as well - the gov will pay for the hospital expenses and they can get gov assistance to live...

The situations you encountered there made one feel like you were standing on hell's rim where you are working to keep people from running headlong into it, but very few are paying you any mind to your warnings and pleas...

We also shared clothes, etc. with needy clients.

Working there, counseling these ladies, and a few men, one gains a sense of the absoluteness of the WORD. There is absolutely no room for any ambivalent theology or doctrine!

This is the essence of what we did.

ginnyrose

The CPC I worked for was started in the aftermath of roe v wade (the Supreme Court ruling that made abortion legal) by evangelical leaders like Francis Shaeffer, Harold O.J. Brown, Billy Graham, Everett Koop. This may explain why we were instructed to be evangelistic. (I was hired in 24 years ago - am not sure where it is today.)

Since this time I checked into the VORP program. VORP- victims-offenders-reconciliation-program. They work to bring reconciliation between the victims of crime and the perpetrators. It sounded wonderful. "Christianity Today" magazine did a feature on them quite a few years ago. I checked into it and then my enthusiasm dropped: they were not evangelistic at all. The lady I talked to did not see the gospel as a method to bring about peace between hurting people. Or, maybe, it was just the lady I talked to.

To enhance my knowledge at CPC I attended a workshop for rape victims' support personal sponsored by the Salvation Army. This workshop trained people to come alongside victims when they went to the hospital to offer them support. Brenda, I felt I did not belong there. There was something sinister there - I do know know how else to explain it other then that the Holy Spirit just was not there motivating the speaker or the girls. They all looked so sad and beaten, without hope. Once again, the gospel was not foremost in their minds at all - it was all psychology. I would guess Catherine Booth would roll around in her grave if she knew this!

I can imagine you learned a lot just by being there and observing. Too bad you were not allowed to speak for the LORD - we were required to do so! We were to be aggressive! Good lesson, too!

Society is sin-ridden - that is for certain!

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"The CPC I worked for was started in the aftermath of roe v wade (the Supreme Court ruling that made abortion legal) by evangelical leaders like Francis Shaeffer, Harold O.J. Brown, Billy Graham, Everett Koop."

Just thought I should clarify this statement. These men formed what was known as the Christian Action Council. The CPC was the practical outgrowth of this ministry.