New poll shows 4-way tie in Iowa as Ron Paul moves to top tier

Krispy was right!

How can you dismiss Herman Cain so easily. Ron Paul has been around for years and what has he done? He is part of the political brotherhood.

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"I thought we were to kind of stay out of the political side of life on here? Quick way to start a fruitless debate."

If a moderator opens something up for discussion, there is some lattitude to discuss it, provided we seek the Lord for guidance and post in humility.

THERE IS A DEEP ISSUE AT STAKE HERE. WHO HAS EYES TO SEE IT?

The huge centralized "State" has murdured 100's of millions of its own citizens in the 20th century alone. When we understand that human nature does not change, and that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, we will understand that our future is bleak.

The "Ron Paul" movement (as imperfect as it is), represents an almost complete rollback of centralized Statist power.

As the world comes to the brink of almost certain Global Depression, and the usual attendant wars, (though inevitably greater then ever before), what is the Church of Jesus Christ going to do?

Gregg wrote:

"The media has ignored him for many years and now are forced to have to air his views which are very radical.
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There are many things which seperate Ron Paul from most men today. To me I see that most men in leadership today resemble the time in which Isaiah writes in the first 5 chapters. Ron Paul on the other hand is not like most. The media seeks to block the views of Ron Paul because the world hates his message.

Why does the world hate what Paul teaches?

"Why does the world hate what Paul teaches?"

For many reasons, no doubt. One of them being that he taught that our politics is to be in a completely different realm.

"For our conversation (our citizenship, Gk. politema) is in Heaven..." (Phil. 3.20).

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"Greg stay your eyes on Jesus and his gospel. Only Jesus can bring true hope. Surely Ron Paul cannot."

Yes, politics is not the answer. That is the point dear Brother. Only Jesus can save our country and the world.

No man can do it.

Ron Paul wants to smash the power of the State over the Church. He agrees with Samuel and with God in this regard.

We should too.

"But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.

And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but THEY HAVE REJECTED ME, that I should not reign over them. I Samuel 8:6-7

Be well,
Doug

I'm not really surprised at the people who seem to ALWAYS have an opinion about every thread on here. If the MODERATOR wants to talk about deer hunting by all means it his website. Let be adults everyone.

God has removed His hand from this nation. One cannot read the minor prophets and clearly see if God will smite Israel then He will surely smite America. A president will not save us. Christ will allow His.Bride to be refined. The church in.America is asleep and she is at ease when the majority of people around us are going to hell. The die has been cast.

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"God has removed His hand from this nation. One cannot read the minor prophets and clearly see if God will smite Israel then He will surely smite America... The die has been cast."

Dear Brothers,

God will indeed completely destroy our nation, just as He did to ancient Israel, so long as there is not at least one who is willing to stand in the gap for the land.

Question: Are you, dear Reader, willing to be that man?

"And I SOUGHT FOR A MAN AMONG THEM, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I SHOULD NOT DESTROY IT; but I found none."

THEREFORE [THAT IS THE REASON WHY]... I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD." Ezekiel 22:30-31

"Strictly speaking a president who stands for moral truth is the one that should be voted for.

ie not living in debt (a teaching of Jesus Christ)
ie not living in abundance when you don't have the means
ie not supporting the rich and taking from the poor
ie not supporting killing children (abortion)
ie not making unjust wars to protect money or assets (gas)"

Greg, I agree with you brother. There are many Christian that want to seperate their Christiainity from politics to the extent that they will not even vote on election day.

America is in the mess that it is in because of the apathy of many Christians. We better wake up or we are going to loose this nation to those who would like to eliminate God from every aspect of our society.

We need to start putting God's interest first and not our own. Which candidate is more in line with the will of God standing for truth, righteousness and justice that supports Israel?

"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." (1 Timothy 2:1-4).

Mike

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"It's cool to be a doom prophet and be angry and all that... it gets a lot of amens, but I think we're missing what the Lord might REALLY be doing. He may be turning up the heat not to destroy America but to prepare it for an outpouring of His Spirit and for true revival!"

This must be true dear Brother. After all, "God is not willing that any should perish." He is not setting us up to fail, but to be victorious through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Let's not let what our natural eyes see discourage us, dear brothers.

Get alone; close your eyes, and seek the Lord until he shows you HIS GLORY. Fear Not!

"...for they that be with us are more than they that be with them." II Kings 6:16

Amen?

Those men, who whether by speach or action, promote the growth of government over this world are in line with Satan who holds sway over this world. In the end times according to Scripture, mankind will look to man to rule over them.

The Constitution of the United States, while imperfect, was established to preserve the freedom of the individual. Only one man by word and deed, has sought to revive the Constitution. The words and actions of Ron Paul have not changed over his lifetime of public service.

Paul of the bible writes to Timothy...

1Ti 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks be made for all men,

1Ti 2:2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.

The authority that we have now does not promote this freedom.

"Those men, who whether by speach or action, promote the growth of government over this world are in line with Satan who holds sway over this world. In the end times according to Scripture, mankind will look to man to rule over them."

Amen! And what do we see right at this present time going on with the current administration? It is more government, and that the government knows better than we do on how we are to run our lives. We have a man in office that professes to be a Christian but yet his actions and decisions prove to the contrary. The Antichrist will have all the right words, but the important thing is to watch what they do, not what they say. When Obama was running for president, he was the most liberal senator in the nation, he professed to be a Christian yet he was pro abortion and had the active support of the gay community because of his stand on gay rights, yet a large segment of the Christian community voted for him.

I agree with Krispy that the hope for this nation is revival, and thank God there are more and more Christians that are seeing our desperate need and falling on their knees in repentance and humility crying out to God for a God sent revival.

Mike

“Politicians spend millions to get elected
And then make $60 thousand a year
Do we want to put our trust in them
When they can’t even do simple math?”

Krispy, you know something that Bush got it right when he accused Al Gore of using "fuzzy math" in one of their debates. You would think that a man that had invented the internet would be good at math.

Mike

Anyone watch 60 minutes this weekend? Those who represent us are deeply involved in insider trading. Republican and Democrat alike are immoral.