Wakey wakey Gog

Pretty neat how it is all falling in place according to plan.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-thinks-an-israeli-attack-on-iran-by-the-summer-is-almost-certain-2012-4

"The implication of preparing to move Russian troops not only is to protect its own vital regional interests but possibly to assist Iran in the event of such an attack. Sources add that a Russian military buildup in the region could result in the Russian military potentially engaging with Israeli forces, US forces, or both.

Informed sources say that the Russians have warned of "unpredictable consequences" in the event that Iran is attacked, with some Russians saying that the Russian military will take part in the possible war because it would threaten its vital interests in the region. "

OJ

...Plan?...What plan and whose plan?...And just how did you or anyone else find out about such a plan?

Oh boy... here we go.

Listen, even tho many here have abandoned a pre-trib rapture (and I'm not saying they are wrong, I'm saying I dont know), doesnt mean the Bible doesnt tell us what will happen in the future in regards to Armeggedon, etc.

Let's not take the current dislike of the "rapture" to the point of foolishness.

I have noticed a number of scoffers on this forum whenever someone talks about end times, and surely we can not base our eschatology on news headlines... however, we can not discount what we see happening.

II Peter 3:3, 4, 10
"...there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works therein shall be burned up."

Those who scoff at this stuff fail to realize that you yourself may well be fulfilling prophecy!

All I am saying is be very careful.

Krispy

Savannah

God's plan.....it's in the Book....have you decided to wait for the movie?

OJ

This is where the 'powers that be' would like to deceive the Christians and Jews.

Armageddon, in the Revelation isn't until He returns - see Rev 16 and they begin to gather around the 7th Vial.. and Ezekiel 38-39 is cross-referenced to that war.
Compare Ezek 39:17 to Rev 19:17,18.
Keeping in mind that the antiChrist hasn't been revealed to us as yet and hasn't done his thing with the mark and mass-extermination of Saints, etc., so any war involving Russia until then is not Armageddon nor when Gog rises up Again after the Millenial reign... but some would love to deceive the Christians so that they'll be looking for Christ to come back and also the Jewish people think that this is Ezekiel's vision and that The LORD will send the Son of David to bring peace out of it, as we read in 38 & 39.
The whole last days System is based upon deception and attempting to confuse the Christians and Jews.

GOD Bless!

The whole last days System is based upon deception and attempting to confuse the Christians and Jews.

I dont think it's as diabolical as you put it...lol

And before someone states that the teaching of a pre-trib rapture started in the 1800's, it's already been proven on another thread that there were writings and teachings of a pre-trib rapture that date back to the second generation of the Church... around 150 AD.

Krispy

"Informed sources say that the Russians have warned of "unpredictable consequences" in the event that Iran is attacked, with some Russians saying that the Russian military will take part in the possible war because it would threaten its vital interests in the region. "..OJ

This is why I think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been so obviously provocative toward Israel; to lure them into attacking, knowing that Russia has committed herself as an ally. He has publicly called for their annihilation several times, with racial slurs that would make Hitler blush.

He has set in motion a Nuclear Weapons program, that is close to fulfillment, and created a rocket program that could reach Tel Aviv. He rants and raves daily, and declares that the destruction of all Israel is his desire. Why? There is more to the story.

The coming of the 12th Mahdi, the Messiah of Islam, is soon to appear. The President of Iran believes...............................

"Remarkably, the 12th Imam theory plays heavily into the world’s current concerns with Iran. The Shiite Muslim President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, is deeply committed to the Islamic Messiah, al Mahdi. There have been many through the years claiming to be the Hidden Imam but Ahmadinejad believes he is yet to come.

He claims that he is to personally prepare the world for the coming Mahdi. In order to save the world, it must be in a state of chaos and subjugation. Ahmadinejad claims he was “directed by Allah to pave the way for the glorious appearance of the Mahdi”. This apocalyptic directive includes some very scary proclamations. "http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/12th-imam.htm

His Mahdi is the Christian Anti-Christ, and his Jesus is the Christian's "FALSE PROPHET", that accompanies him. The Lord is sending a very strong signal to us, and even to all of Islam by presenting the Truth, and the Lie, and allowing it to be prophesied in two formats; One from Hell, one from His Throne.

I believe that this will produce the White Horse, that conquers, and I believe that Islam will prevail, even here in America, and I believe that Sharia is the Mark. Why?

"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months....."

"And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven."

"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations...[ even America ]

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. "

Yes OJ, the implication is simple to me. We are watching the Tribulation bore right down upon us, and most of us are sound asleep. I believe that these events , that we watch right now centered around Israel and her conflict, will usher in the very End, with 3 billion or more killed...and then the beast .

Let us never forget that also, this is the event that Jesus Himself as the Creator and God almighty will return to put an end to....and the beast, and the false prophet will be cast alive into the Lake of Fire, and we will be gathered by His angels to Him, forever......and a nice supper too...to meet our family and Himself! Hallelujah. Never give up. Trust God, for he will Never forsake any who have put their trust in Him!

TWO THINGS TO CONSIDER: "THAT DAY [ the day Jesus returns ] SHALL NOT COME EXCEPT...[ the man of sin be revealed ]....

Let no man deceive you by any means: for THAT DAY shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."........

AND [2] ...HAVE YOU EVER EXPERIENCED A TIME OF AFFLICTION SO SEVERE SUCH AS HAS NEVER BEEN SINCE THE BEGINNING?

"For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.

20And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."...JESUS

AND THEN, AT THAT TIME, JESUS RETURNS...AFTER THE DAYS OF THAT TRIBULATION...................

"But in those days, AFTER that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

AND THEN shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

AND THEN shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

To me, it is not so complicated.

"But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. "....JESUS

To be serious no matter what position on the tribulation and rapture you hold one can not deny things are going on in Israel and the middle east, and its interesting times we live in seeing the final stage is being set that has been prophesied. I try everyday to stir myself up and be ready for what God has planned for me, it is not by chance that we as Gods children live in this time of history. And also a reminder what revelation says we should all do "God blesses the one who reads the words of this prophecy to the church, and he blesses all who listen to its message and obey what it says, for the time is near"

My point exactly. I'm trying to say that it matters not what you think about the rapture... only a fool can look at the Middle East right now and come away saying that there is nothing of Biblical significance going on there.

There being a nation called Israel is a prophectic fulfillment and a miracle. Some will argue that it's not a spiritual Israel... but it wont be right now. Until Jesus reveals himself to Israel they are lost and can not be "spiritual" anyway. But we are most certainly seeing the stage being set for the end times to be played out.

There can be no doubt about that.

Krispy

The mahdi, huh? All this tme I thought the antochrist was the Pope or the Dali Lana. Guess I missed it again. Oh well. Guess Jack Van Impi or Hal Lindsey will have to straighten me out.

In the meantime going to listen to some more of Jesus and Art Katz. They are easier to understand.

Bearmaster definitely standing down.

Dear Krispy, I wasn't implying the timing of the resurrection of the Saints, but the sequence of events - that any major war before antiChrist is revealed is not Armageddon or the war mentioned in Ezek 38 & 39 because those are 'after' antiChrist has been ruling for his term.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

The only reason I posted at all is because these are the days when the deception is being laid for that chpt in 2Thess 2, for the Jews and the Christians.
The man that brings 'peace' through any major events will be the son of perdition that deceives many.

We're yet to see the time of Jacob's trouble. Israel will come under the murderous rule of antiChrist as well.

The sequence is important for us to 'watch' and there's no way that Jesus' words about "another you'll accept" that He spoke to the non-Remnant Jews could come to pass, by them accepting this so-called "man of peace", if he were Muslim or anything else but of a certain blood-line. They could never be deceived to think that anyone is "the son of David" unless is lineage is such [though counterfeit]. In other words - from the synagogue of Satan, to us - but to them - he'll have the supposed "bloodline" of King David and many of the powers that be, claim that bloodline.

Only concerned for their sake. Christians have the Bible, both old and new testaments to get the time-line of events down - the Jewish people don't - yet.

Blessings!

Oh boy... here we go.

2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant

If we are ignorant of the context of Daniel's words and how they cross-reference to the Revelation and other O.T. prophet's words - [from Dan 7 and then 8, where we see "the little horn that rises up 'after' the Medes and Persians are taken Down', and on through Dan chpt 12] and say that all these things have already happened and that there are no dual prophesies within the O.T. prophet's books - Who will laugh then when all these chpts are fulfilled?

We can read these chpts in Daniel with understanding and with cross-referencing to the other O.T. prophets and NT prophesies with the promise of John 16:13 - and He will show us things to come or we can scoff at His Words.

Daniel's words were sealed until the time of the end and at the time of the end, the Lamb unseals them and releases the seals in Rev chpt 6, etc..

Does anyone know where in the Bible that the saying "He that laughs last, laughs best." is found?

"My point exactly. I'm trying to say that it matters not what you think about the rapture... only a fool can look at the Middle East right now and come away saying that there is nothing of Biblical significance going on there."
KK.

In the end, No man knows the day or the hour, and in a sense let us realize that everyman will be wrong, to one degree or another, as to how and when the events will come to pass. What matters is that you are prepared to meet Him, and we all will, one way or another.

I am Post Tribber in my thinking, as I have outlined below, but this in no means fades into a dogma that I cannot receive my brothers who may believe otherwise, and as I see it, yes, the anti-Christ will come out of Islam, and above all, I take the Bible as Supreme, far above the rantings of a false prophet; Mohammad.

What matters is that the Bible, and Jesus prophesied that this man will be revealed.....and there is a part about a wound to the head; surviving a mortal wound, and it being a world-wide event. This will come to pass.

All of us that possess the Holy Spirit ought to be concerned about strengthening the true church, and edifying the church, so that we are prepared. This preparation will be of only one ilk; FAITH. All of the farms in Idaho will not save you. there will be no place to hide, unless the Lord does hide us; and some will be hid by Him.

My grief in SOME pretribbers, is they have coupled their ideas with the heresies of the doctrines of Extreme grace; IE: once saved, always saved, and they believe that whatever they do, however they live, is acceptable to God, and when the trouble comes, they will just fly away, Raptured away from all sorrow, because they were taught so.

In my sight, these will be the most pitiful; those of no oil. These, in my view, will be those of the TEN VIRGINS. 5 had oil, five had no oil, and no light, no hope, no faith to carry them through the dark night.

This is why I believe that doctrine is so awful. Yet, there are many with God who trust in such a faith. I will not, nor do not reject them. they are mine; those that are born twice. I fear for my own life, that I would survive.
.................................................., and do pray daily that I might be counted worthy.............

"For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. "

"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
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But I might ask, why would I pray to Jesus to escape these things, if I were already raptured and had escaped?

I want us all there, with our God.

My grief in SOME pretribbers, is they have coupled their ideas with the heresies of the doctrines of Extreme grace; IE: once saved, always saved, and they believe that whatever they do, however they live, is acceptable to God, and when the trouble comes, they will just fly away, Raptured away from all sorrow, because they were taught so.

Thats actually a gross misrepresentation of what people who believe in eternal security teach and believe. Those who believe they can live and act and behave any old way they want, and it is acceptable to God do not understand the gospel and are not even saved to begin with.

That is not what eternal security means at all. And I know of no one who teaches that. That is one doctrine that gets smeared, misrepresented and frankly... lied about... on this forum with wreckless abandon and not a word of warning about it from the leaders of this forum.

You may not agree with that teaching, and that's ok. You dont have to. But at least represent it properly.

Krispy

Mar 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you *all things.*

1Pe 1:10,11 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: searching what, or what manner of time *the Spirit of Christ which was in them* did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, *and the glory that should follow*.

By these two verses we see that Christ spoke through the Old Testament prophets and through the Apostle's pens and "all things" pertaining to the last days have been written by Him through both testaments and we can read and know "all things" about the last days - as He promised.... that that day will Not overtake us as a thief, because we obeyed Him and "watched" the signs that He's given through His holy prophets and Apostles for us to watch. Praise The LORD of Glory!

We merely need to pray - read - listen and research much.

"My grief in SOME pretribbers, is they have coupled their ideas with the heresies of the doctrines of Extreme grace; IE: once saved, always saved, and they believe that whatever they do, however they live, is acceptable to God, and when the trouble comes, they will just fly away, Raptured away from all sorrow, because they were taught so."....Brothertom

"Thats actually a gross misrepresentation of what people who believe in eternal security teach and believe. Those who believe they can live and act and behave any old way they want, and it is acceptable to God do not understand the gospel and are not even saved to begin with." KK....

No, it is not a "gross misrepresentation", for I clearly said SOME. I did not lump all pre-tribbers into that party, but, in truth there are some. I have heard John Hagee, TBN preachers, and many more justify this doctrine under the canopy of, "God has not appointed us to Wrath". I have testified in these churches, and was hated...I know what I speak of.

I have clearly confronted some, and have heard this; I am saved no matter what, from perhaps hundreds. My good friend, who became a once saved always saved, lives a life like this, and confessed this idea often..."NO MATTER WHAT...I CANNOT BE UNSAVED!"

John Hagee stated that America will fall when all of the Christians fly away, but not before. The absence of the Christian economy will sink the USA. I heard this myself.

I did not expect this knee jerk reaction from you, Krispy...especially when I stated that I receive my pre-trib brothers, and implied that really none of us know the exact format that will occur...it will be what it is. What matters is Fruit...and that fruit MUST be holiness unto the Lord....For without holiness no man shall see God.

This trumps everything, and whatever you or me may or may not "Believe". Without Holiness...without holiness...No man shall see God. It is interesting that I quoted much undeniable scripture from the lips of Jesus, and your response is:

" That is not what eternal security means at all. And I know of no one who teaches that. That is one doctrine that gets smeared, misrepresented and frankly... lied about... on this forum with wreckless abandon and not a word of warning about it from the leaders of this forum.
You may not agree with that teaching, and that's ok. You dont have to. But at least represent it properly."KK

Being lumped in as "a Liar with reckless abandon, and smearing your faith." ?

Could you be responding to my opinion with accusation, and character assassination, rather than a discussion of faith, and edification, according to the Scripture? I think so.

This thread is NOT about the conflict of when Jesus returns. It is about events in the mid-east that look like War, and possibly the beginning of the Tribulation, as prophesied throughout the bible. I think it is soon.

Please endeavor not to attack everyone who may disagree with you. It does not matter what you believe, or I , about prophesy. It is going to happen whatever we believe, according to His Faith, His will. He has given us many warnings, and much counsel, for us to be prepared for this event. I, as I said, want us all to be there, and I fear for me also.

Back to Thread? please.

Wow... that was a little over the top. I was just pointing out that in my opinion what you said misrepresented the doctrine of "eternal security". Thats all.

You read waaaaay too much into it. I feel bad that you wrote all of that because you misunderstood my intentions. It was unneccessary.

By the way, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on TBN teaching eternal security. Most, if not all, Charismatics and Pentecostals are far far far from Reformed in their doctrine and teach that you can lose your salvation. I know... I used to be one. I know exactly what they teach.

:-) chill brother.

Krispy

the Russian military will do nothing, those boys cant even find their car keys. They couldnt even prevail over a weak Georgian military, or Chenchens.

All Russia really is now, is a mineral extraction state ruled by a very powerful "mafia" cabal.

this mafia cabal WANTS the higher oil prices that will ensue when the Israeli's destroy the iranian nuclear infrastructure. What else the Russians REALLY want is for America to back off on ballistic missile defensive systems in the former Warsaw Pact nations. BMD in former Warsaw pact nations makes the Russians very very nervous, because to them, its smells like a "first strike" capability, they are AFRAID, precisely because their military IS so weak, and the only card they have to "play" is the nuclear card. i believe they've already recieved "assurances" from the American defense establishment, that BMD in Europe will not move forward.

as far as Israel, they will hit Iran, sooner rather than later, a 96 hour full spectrum attack to destroy the 10-15 targets, that comprise the iranian nuclear infrastructure. "Full Spectrum" refers to ground, air, sea and space weaponry, which the Israeli's have. a third country on the north border with iran has strong defense and trade ties to Israel, they will figure prominently in this attack, as a forward operating base. God willing, the attack will succeed, and Israel will provide the world "court" with solid evidence, that iran WAS building nuclear weapons.

i believe "bearmaster" understands exactly what i write about, and now i as well, will stand down. That is all.

...and of course Neil is totally wrong.

Just kidding, I wanted to see how long he would stand down for if I said something like that.

Actually, I agree with Neil. The only difference is I think Russia is more powerful than we think. Russia obviously plays a pivotal role in end times, so if we are at that point in history we may be surprised. If not, then dont worry... they will get there eventually.

Krispy

Neil writes.....

"the Russian military will do nothing, those boys cant even find their car keys. They couldnt even prevail over a weak Georgian military, or Chenchens.

All Russia really is now, is a mineral extraction state ruled by a very powerful "mafia" cabal."

You made me laugh out loud brother. Love you man and love your insight........ bro Frank

Brother Neil, would you get mad if I say that I agree with Krispy on this one.Remember, I'm that wacky Newshound. SW, BBC, [edited out by me] website and dozens more.
[GOD MADE me that way for the last 32 yrs, MJ - I can't stop it nor help it, even though I've tried to - He keeps pulling me back to it and gives no fear, except for my loved ones - acquaintances included with those.]

The thing is that, Daniel's ten toes don't get along that well. There are power struggles and 'some' of them are over the oil and the other major of the equation is the Plan to bring about this one world governance, using Russia along with N. Korea and any other of the countries that we can read about on these News Sites that are presently acting up - including the racial thing going on here in the U.S. right now. "Order out of Chaos".
Russia was always meant to be one of the catalysts that bring us into the very-long-planned & awaited nwo. Patton wanted to take them out, but he was stopped by the powers-that-be.
Lots of history and lots of current events and all for the Plan and some for the oil and real estate/land.

Bless you!!

"the Russian military will do nothing, those boys cant even find their car keys. They couldnt even prevail over a weak Georgian military, or Chenchens.

All Russia really is now, is a mineral extraction state ruled by a very powerful "mafia" cabal."..Niel

Putin just committed 800 BILLION to the defense budget, more than ever before.[ probably equal that amount secretly ] Russia has more active NUKES embedded on land and sea than any other country singularly other than the USA; hundreds..today.

They are actively engaged in massive secret war games with China as an ally. [ also for the first time in history ] Why? I think they are preparing for a war with the west, and because of the oil factor, and the bulk of it belonging to Islam, they have made a covenant with Iran, and with not so veiled threats to declare their solidarity with them.

"As far as Chechens are concerned, Many welcome the Islamic revival after nearly two decades of vicious war against Russian troops in which an estimated 200,000 Chechens were killed. For the younger Chechens, Islam is becoming the cornerstone of identity, replacing horrors they saw as refugees living in tents and abandoned supermarkets in neighboring republics of Dagestan and Ingushetia."......http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-03-21/chechnya-islamic-revival/53693048/1

It is very possible that a deal had been made with Chechen's Islamic leaders to "back off...and we will too" type of diplomacy. As far as Georgia goes, the Islamic Presence, though small, [ 10% ] is radical, with Irans infiltration financing new Madras', bringing with them sharia, and Jihadist ideology, which always fo9llows close behind.................

" And what about Islam today in Georgia?"

Islam is very much an influence in the region. Here is an example. There are several madrassahs (Muslim religious schools) in Georgia. Some are Shi’ite, financed by Iranian religious groups while others are Sunni financed by Turkish groups. Georgians are concerned Islamist ideology coupled with outside influences could cause internal violence. The Muslim Chechen Kists have also been a source of political tension between Georgia and Russia."

http://www.30-days.net/muslims/muslims-in/asia-caucasus/georgia/

Hitler made some of the very same observations about the USSR, thinking she was but a paper tiger. It cost him the war, and the death of millions of his troops, the destruction of his country, and ultimately his life..[ boy, did he deserve it, Eh?]

Russia dispises America, and are hell bent on revenge from our participation in their humiliating Afghan defeat, back when we supported the Taliban..[ telling story about our moral character as a country ].

This defeat began their great slide into oblivion, a collapse of their economy along with a National depression. It is estimated that 25,000 officers committed suicide during this time, living in destitution. Putin never forgot, and vowed to his devil god to execute vengeance.

The military is revamped, and mean and lean, and a preparing for agression against the west, along with China. The money is flowing more in Russia, in the right direction, than the USA now.

AND THEN WE HAVE THIS:

Ezekiel 38 (King James Version)
"And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

And I will call for a sword against him throughout all mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD."

It could mean that this is about to take place. There are Ominous clouds above us. Fear God, and keep His commandments.
tom

Savannah asked ..Plan?...What plan and whose plan?

In the beginning was the plan! The plan was with Yahweh, and the plan was Yahweh’s.It is this plan that brought about the Messiah. It’s the same plan that will bring him back. These wars are prophesied and are part of the PLAN.

The nuclear bomb has been invented in our lifetime, and never before has mankind been so egger to use it on itself. Remember scripture says that a third of man will be destroyed in and around the great river Euphrates. Well where do we have all the problems today? Israel will strike Iran, there will be retaliation and the rest as they say will be history.

King David was inspired to write much about this great time of trouble. King David also gave us an ecape route “HE WHO dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of protection of the Almighty”

Ahhh! So there’s a secrete place huh ?? some translated it as “shelter” they lie like dogs. It’s not a shelter. Hint: what is the “shadow of protection of the Almighty”???

The answer will lead you there. May Yahweh have mercy on all of us.

Keeping in mind that the antiChrist hasn't been revealed to us as yet

Brother the antichrist, man of sin has been exposed many years ago. I don’t know what you’re waiting for or whom you’re looking for but he’s been living amongst us for quite sometime now.

Armageddon,in the Revelation isn't until He returns

Matthew 24:6-8

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

All these things must come to pass before the coming of the Savior. Notice he says that this is not the end yet, because there's much, much more coming. The abomination that causes desolation, all these things should take place before the end.

Hi Ephah. I'm a sister and would love to know who or what you're calling the antiChrist who's "been living amongst us for quite some time now" - I don't want to try to guess.

Thanks!!

Hi Ephah. I'm a sister and would love to know who or what you're calling the antiChrist who's "been living amongst us for quite some time now" - I don't want to try to guess.

Please forgive me sister. I won’t mention names here because people get offended very quickly but I’ll let scripture do the talking. Here is Daniel speaking of the Beast

Daniel 7:25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time.

Who changed the set times and the Law ?
Who persecuted and murdered the Saints? (note every apostle except John was arrested and murdered in cold blood)
Who has the keys to the holy city of Jerusalem as we speak?
Who is going to take his seat in the temple and make desolate by offering sacrifices on the alter to Lucifer?

Easy questions, easy answers. They all point to one!

Hi again Ephah. Thank you for your kind reply.
I don't think many would fault you on this one.
"They all point to one!", you said - but hasn't there been many since the times have been changed? I suppose you mean a "seat" - maybe?

I also wonder - because Jesus said that the counterfeit Jews would accept this antiChrist, that they'd never go for this one that you are describing - but are waiting for one who's 'claimed' lineage is of the seed of David.

Though your description is fitting and true - I always thought that may be more of the role of the false prophet, who may just come out from New York eventually, as well - that's the second beast that makes all worship the first beast, that comes out from a beast system based in NY - for now, until it's moved to Jerusalem.

What do you think?

P.S. - you do know that this type talk will get us beheaded, right? :)

You’re right J.I.G. the Beast represents the entire beastly system not just one man. Now concerning Jerusalem and the Jews, it’s a done deal, this Beast” is directly in charge of Jerusalem not the Jews. This involved the 7 year peace plan made with Rabin long ago.A profecy mentioned in Daniel 7 & 8

that's the second beast that makes all worship the first beast, that comes out from a beast system based in NY - for now, until it's moved to Jerusalem.

the second Beast is the United States as a whole not just NY. Remember the first Beast came out of the sea (the sea representing multitudes and laguages)

Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth (the earth representing a land not yet populated or established) the U.S. was the last land to be established.

Note that the Creator also chose the U.S. to bring forth the final work on the Seven Lamp Lampstand also refered to as the Seventh Trumpeter when he sounds the great secrete of Yahweh and then the end. Revelation 11:15---Let he who has understanding discern these things.

Thank you for explaining your view, Ephah. I may not understand what you mean by your last paragraph, but whether we see it all the same or not - it's all happening as it's written it will happen. Much more realiable to read The Word than the Newspapers or News sites - and that I know is truly true.

Peace in Him!

Sister you said such talk can get us beheded. I saw a picture of a modern guillotine. It looked like a bow flex machine but had the ugly blade. Supposedly they will be deployed at FEMA detention centers for executions. Pretty grusome but this may be Revelation coming to life.

By the way you do know Art Katz believes that saints will be martyred in our lifetime? Probably by the guillotine.

Bearmaster standing down while he still has a head.

Funny you should mention that :)
Back in the mid-80s, my husband and a Christian man went to a full-gospel business men's luncheon and the guest speaker that seemed to be quite sane said that a shipping container somehow broke or something while being unloaded from a ship - I believe it was in Calif and out came the contents of Lots of guillotines and there were lots of shipping containers.
I told my closest sister-friend back then and [OK, we're nutz - I admit it] but this Saintly friend began with the "heads are gonna roll" one liners and they were coming to me just as fast and we laughed so much, we'll never forget that conversation. If I remember them all - I'll let you know the rest.
I asked my Dr today if I could have a new head - she said, Nope - but I do have to go get a cat-scan on the thing.
I say to the operators of these decapitators - 'Go ahead, make my day', but I'll never tell my friends, "Don't lose your head." :) Now ya got me started on those one liners. lol.
Thanks, Brother!

Bearmaster, hope I didn't upset you with my own one-liners but I liked yours at the end of your post :)

My first response that started my thoughts on these one liners was "No brain - no pain" regarding myself. That's why I got going with those one liners.
Today the Dr.s office called and said, No cat-scan but they want an mri. I said that I had one in 2003 and asked, Could we get it and compare the two to see how much my brain has shrunk? We already read about Christian's hippocampus shrinking last month. :)
There's a joy, Brother, that comes with thinking of getting out of this world. Though I know that our hearts will break for one another if these things come to pass, we need to have that detachment from the love of our own bodies that makes us fearful of and desirous to escape pain.
The reason for the mri is that I had pains in my head when I woke up Friday until today ... but GOD used it for the good, as He is known to do. Friday and Saturday, because it was Passover - I spent those two days alone with only His suffering on my mind and then because I was still sick Sunday, I didn't have to go to the family bunny & egg celebration and because of two days of having His sufferings on my mind, it would have been very hard to not see just Him on Sunday. Blessed head pains.
Brother, I think you know that a guillitine would be the easy way out compared to Eritrea and prolonged torture, etc. or the suffering that Art went through before he peacefully left this earth. I read Foxe's book of martyrs and the guillitine would be a piece of cake compared to those Saint's suffering.
We can only pray that we go that easily. Some folks, even that used to be on this forum, were so very sick for so long before they went Home.
Yes, we hate our lives in this world and He already knows how we'll go and He will never put anymore on us than what He knows that we can handle, With Him.

Blessings in His Faith.

Nah. Not offended. Like your one liners. That dark humor nay be what sustains us in the death camps

I know that I can only read about that stuff for so long and have to pul back from it. Lot if weird utube stuff. But then some of that stuff does make me wonder????

This is bearnaster standing down with his head still attached.