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And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. Hebrews 9:27

I've been thinking lately about the "judgements of God" after listening to Ravenhill's sermon.

How many judgements are their in scripture that God talks about and who will be at which? What is the purpose of both?

Thanks.
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Judgments vary depending on the subject in question. The judgment you are referring to, takes place after the resurrection. Some will be resurrected to eternal life and others will be burnt and got out of the way.

This doesn't occur immediately, there's a judgment of 100 years for each individual to live and learn the way to true peace, joy and abundant living under the body of the Holy Priesthood, "the Elect" and by the authority of our High Priest and King Yahshua Messiah. This judgment takes place after the millennium rule.

Hallelu-Yahweh
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well the bible says ,that there is a resarection of the just who will escape the wrath of god ,and a resarection of damnation ,these will be all who ever lived on the earth whos names are not writern in the lambs book of life

resarection of damnation ,,,souls will be brought back to life sufer damnation in the presence of the lamb in a place called the lake of fire ,,where the beast and false prohert are ,and the smoke of there torment asends for ever and ever ,,,,,this is as jesus said where the worm dieth not ,and fire is not quenched ,where there will weeping and gnathing of teath of the damded dead ones

evalastingly destroyed is the condition of these poor wrecthed souls ,, the broken souls of the resarection of damnation ,,kept in outer darkness for there rebelion


theres also judment here now on the earth in many forms

groups of people givern over to earthly lusts to do what is not fitting ,is said to be a judment of god

lampstands ,which is the holy spirit being taken out of churches is judment

satan being let loose on the earth is a judgment of god

what ephah is saying is not bibilcalat all

lets stick to the bible

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what ephah is saying is not bibilcalat all

Even though he didn't list his references he's quoting from Revelation 20.

He was not wrong or un-Biblical that there will be a judgement period after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. The Bible says so in the aforementioned chapter.

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EverestoSama---thanks for listing those references, I didn't know the chapters of the top of my head thanks.

Praise Yahweh

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brother puting a time span of 100 years is not in the bible ,,,and saying that those who are doomed to hell just get burnt up , is not what the bible teaches

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The day I realised that every element of the universe is in God's hand....that He has appointed times and seasons for all things....that He has set the compass of the earth and the heavens obey His commands...I rejoiced. For the first time in many years of knowing these things in the inner witness, I discovered that they attend to actual physical things. Even our own bodies.

The Scripture "it is given unto everyman to die once, then cometh judgement" is just as real in physicality as it is in Spirit and Truth. On the one hand it is true because God has said it so. On the other it is true for every soul of man in their personal experience. It belongs to God and at the same time every one of us will physically taste the reality of it.

As to what judgement one ought to be looking for as saints, this has to do with your own conduct. If we sin and do so for the love of self and the fleshy benefit which sin brings to a man, then we ought to look with a fearful expectation to the Lord's return. If we are willing to reckon with sin; to take account of its power working in us, then we will no doubt accept God's estimation of all flesh. The only remedy is the cross of Christ and our part in it.

This too must be an actual real and physical thing. God has esteemed all flesh as unprofitable to Him, regardless of our best efforts. So as it is written "By His doing you are in Christ Jesus Who became to us, both the wisdom of God, Righteousness, Sanctification and Redemption. (Corinthian Letter). We are none of these things in our selves, but Christ is become all of these things to us through obedience unto death, even the death of the Cross. His obedience, our benefit.

I realise that there are judgments of distinction made in the Scriptures. But I prefer to lay hold of that which is already a reality in time and place. If I am looking for a future judgement it concerns the Lord Jesus and His soon coming again. I know already in this very hour whether I truly fear Him, or whether I prefer myself. Judging ones self is the better judgement.

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brother puting a time span of 100 years is not in the bible ,,,and saying that those who are doomed to hell just get burnt up , is not what the bible teaches

The idea comes from a VERY loose translation of the Hebrew word קָלַל (qalal) in Isaiah 65:20 that I personally don't agree with, and I'm sure theEphah can and will speak for himself on this matter. But he didn't pull the number out of nowhere.

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brother puting a time span of 100 years is not in the bible ,,,and saying that those who are doomed to hell just get burnt up , is not what the bible teaches


here is the corresponding scripture:

"There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed." (Isa 65:20)

Obviously a child is not a child if they are a hundred years old, but one who is child-like is blessed with the inheritance of the kingdom...

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wow that is a loose interpratation endeed

i dont think it is a good idea for me to coment on that

after the resarection of the just there will be no more death of the just ,,,,,, so to say that the just are the child like ones ,and then after 100 years they will die is realy against the concept of the resarection

blessings

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after the resarection of the just there will be no more death of the just ,,,,,, so to say that the just are the child like ones ,and then after 100 years they will die is realy against the concept of the resarection

The 100 year judgment is not for the "Elect" {the called out ones} the judgment is for everyone else that perished without knowing the plan of Life and those that come out of the great tribulation. This act is out of sheer mercy, compassion and grace.

Believe it or not, but the scripture says that even then many will still not repent from breaking the Laws of perfect peace. All 613 righteous laws will be in full effect. Iniquity is the reason why we're in this mess to begin with. It will not be in the kingdom brethren.

Isaiah 24:4-6 tells us why this is going to occur

The earth mourns and fades away, the world languishes and fades away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.

5 The earth also is defiled under its inhabitants; because they have TRANSGRESSED THE LAWS, CHANGED THE ORDINANCE, BROKEN THE EVERLASTING COVENANT.

6 Therefore has the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell in it are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are BURNED, AND FEW MEN LEFT.

Everlasting covenant?? I thought we had a new covenant? It's all lies! the prophet Jeremiah said we've inherited nothing but lies.

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Ephah, do these verses go along with what you're telling about, during the Millenial reign - that After the resurrection of the Saints, there's the children of Abraham that come to believe in Him 'at' His appearing and those that didn't take the mark of the beast, will be alive at the return of Christ and will live through the millenial reign, that Brother EverestoSama posted as "Rev 20", about those that live during that 1000 yrs? ....

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
*Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Just a few quotes from Zech 12 - 14 ...

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. [Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.]

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Zec 14:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south....
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.


R.A. Torrey on Zechariah 14 -
"Zec_14:1, The destroyers of Jerusalem destroyed; Zec_14:3, The coming of Christ, and the graces of his kingdom; Zec_14:12, The plague of Jerusalem’s enemies; Zec_14:16, The remnant shall turn to the Lord; Zec_14:20, and their spoils shall be holy."


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do these verses go along with what you're telling about, during the Millennial reign - that After the resurrection of the Saints, there's the children of Abraham that come to believe in Him 'at' His appearing and those that didn't take the mark of the beast, will be alive at the return of Christ and will live


No J.I.G, theses verses does not apply to the Millennial reign. All the verses you posted apply to the judgment after the millennial reign. Why? because you cannot resurrect the masses into a defiled environment. The earth is defiled and made desolate remember? it is the job of the saints to bring this planet back to a livable state; under the leadership of
Yahshua Messiah.

The saints will have great power sister, great power. This job will take 1000 years to bring this planet back to that perfect state. This is the reason for the millennial rule, it's a tremendous job.


Now after this task is completed, then the masses will be resurrected to a perfect environment with no confusion. The food supply will be fresh, the air you breath will be free from toxins, isn't this beautiful. But you have to prove yourself to Yahweh, you have to be willing to learn the way to eternal peace. Righteousness! the keeping of the Law!


Notice Zech 14:18 everyone will come to keep the FEAST OF TABERNACLES and worship the King. Yes! the same law that has been rejected by the whole world will be the Law of the land forever. No man-made laws will ever exist.


It's with this same Law that Yahweh will destroy Lucifer with, the "holy of holies" She is the arch angel holding the tallit over the tabernacle in heaven, her only job was to uphold the Law.

Do you see why everybody hates the Law so much? because she inspired that hatred. She didn't want to be a servant like the Messiah was, she wanted to exhault herself over the most high. She wanted to be a god.

I pray that Yahweh find me worthy enough to be a part of this kingdom, I won't deny him.

Praise Yahweh

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Dear Ephah, you don't believe Lucifer is Satan?

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Dear Ephah, you don't believe Lucifer is Satan?

Not only that... Lucifer is a she?

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The saints will have great power sister, great power. This job will take 1000 years to bring this planet back to that perfect state. This is the reason for the millennial rule, it's a tremendous job.

May I ask you where this view of the 1000 year kingdom originates. Your post is clearly stated and I get the impression that you have a 'made up mind' arising from a systematic teaching.

I realise that to pose a question in this way implicitly infers that I don't agree or that I can't see what you are saying from Scripture. That is however not the motive. My motive is to 'look' into what you have shared. It seems very developed. I can't really understand how that can be possible. I hope you don't mind me asking, but if you do, I apologise in advance. Thanks.

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"I pray that Yahweh find me worthy enough to be a part of this kingdom, I won't deny him."

He will only find you 'worthy' to cast into the lake of fire as you are currently accursed under the law you pretend to uphold. You have been warned repeatedly.

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I was trying to take it slow. We know angelic beings are all male gender. I was going to share these verses below with theEphah - but truly desired to take it slow and stay compassionate. We don't know where Ephah has been receiving his education and 'sometimes', when we don't know someone - not being hard, helps.
Oh well. These were for Ephah, as an appeal ...

Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, 'he' is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Luk 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that 'he' may sift you as wheat:

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: 'he' was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound 'him' a thousand years

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Dear Ephah, you don't believe Lucifer is Satan?

Yes I believe Lucifer is Satan, what's your point?

The fear of the Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom; A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING HAVE ALL THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS: His praise endureth for ever. Psalm 111:10

Your own bible is telling you that you have no understanding because you refuse to keep the commandments. Should I be surprised that you don't know that Lucifer is a female? of course not. I will bring a separate post on that subject. It will shock you.

Revelation 12:9 SATAN HAS DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD. Do you think this is a joke? It's no laughing matter, this verse did not say that Satan has deceived Mormons; it didn't say Satan has deceived Muslims; it didn't say Satan has deceived Christians, Hindis or Catholics. This verse clearly says SATAN HAS DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD. Her tool of choice is deception, why are you surprised that she hid her identity?

Stay tuned, I'll bring this out in detail.

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May I ask you where this view of the 1000 year kingdom originates. Your post is clearly stated and I get the impression that you have a 'made up mind' arising from a systematic teaching.

The millennial rule with the Messiah is a 1000 years making a complete 7000 year time frame. Mankind has had 6000 years of self ruler-ship on this planet. The kingdom of Yahweh is at hand.

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Your own bible is telling you that you have no understanding because you refuse to keep the commandments. Should I be surprised that you don't know that Lucifer is a female? of course not.

Dear Ephah, no need to bring on another post about Satan being a female.
Why bother - I have no understanding anyway, except for believing that the original language of the TR-NT is genuine, trustworthy and clear on what Yahshua has said about Satan being a "he".
I believe these verses I posted are accurate and that 'αγγελος' - [aggelos] is a masculine noun.

I didn't post that question to insult you, but I think now that it is best that I leave you to post to or with the men of this forum.

With His Love and my prayers.

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I didn't post that question to insult you, but I think now that it is best that I leave you to post to or with the men of this forum.

You haven't offended me at all J.I.G. the quote below that I posted is not directed at you and it's not meant to demean anyone, the quote is taken from the bible, I didn't make it up.

The fear of the Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom; A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING HAVE ALL THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS: His praise endureth for ever. Psalm 111:10

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I didn't post that question to insult you, but I think now that it is best that I leave you to post to or with the men of this forum.


Young man you shouldn't be trying to shock any body.

Moreover those who have believed in Christ are no longer of this world, though we were all full paid up members at one time. Even in that regard Jesus your Master and my Master said of this reality that it is what a person is or is not able to believe which demonstrates where they belong to. Either Heaven, even the Father, or the world, even Satan.

The precision with which you lay down epochs, times and seasons would be wonderful if they were a measure of God Himself. They are not however because your measures are contrived either by a deluding spirit, or else by a man.

This is why I previously asked you to account for the certainty of your sayings.

For you the detail has become the illusion, which gives rise to unreasonable confidence. For your own sake stop contending over the detail and think of the substance of the thing you hope in.

It is not in the least surprising that you are confident, given that you believe that you are to be a co-creator and restorer with Christ at His coming Kingdom.

Jesus has the power to restore all things unto Himself, He doesn't need our help.

Reigning with Him though is a profound hope, made certain by faith, not works.

You have shared a few things that have some real substance. How you apply these things will always come down to where you first received them from. What is the influence and to what end of reality. If it is of Christ by the Holy Spirit then you wont be defrauded of anything, but if it is by a man or a deluding spirit you will lose even that which you have. Please for you own sake set yourself apart from what you have received and look to the living God, even the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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brother kellys right

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For you the detail has become the illusion, which gives rise to unreasonable confidence. For your own sake stop contending over the detail and think of the substance of the thing you hope in. --amrkelly

Brother Kelly, how can one ignore the details and assume to get any substance out of scripture? Your statement defies logic.

It is not in the least surprising that you are confident, given that you believe that you are to be a co-creator and restorer with Christ at His coming Kingdom. Jesus has the power to restore all things unto Himself, He doesn't need our help.

If that’s the case, then what’s the point of the saints? Why the need to be perfect as commanded, why the need to overcome. After all Jesus doesn’t need help so why is he preparing a remnant to reign with him?

Do you think the Saints will be sitting around watching Monday night football? You’re delusional. This is not what the scripture says at all. Everything will be done by the “Elect” through the authority of the Messiah, they don’t call them the elect for nothing. I don’t expect you to understand it.

For the scriptures says-- that the wicked will do wickedly and none of the wicked will understand. Daniel 12:10

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For the scriptures says-- that the wicked will do wickedly and none of the wicked will understand. Daniel 12:10

Well young friend you certainly speak your mind. I am reminded of the Lord's comment about one of the disciples at the first moment of his calling. Having no guile. (You read)

There is a saying in the world...."the Devil is in the detail"...not a difficult challenge I know....because its in the world. However you and I are both in the world as well, physically at least, and we cant simply ignore the fact.

Detail doesn't equate to truth. Accuracy equates to truth.

I see that you wont answer my central concern for you my friend. This being from whence did you come by your teachings. I know they came from some where because you have them. So they are real and not imaginary.

You have said that you don't expect me to be able to understand what it is you believe concerning the elect of God. Can you not see right here in this saying you show that what you have is something for an elite few to understand. This directly attends to how you came by your beliefs. Who told you that only a few would be able to understand what the Scriptures teaches about God's calling and election of the saints.

Put more plainly. You call me brother and then deny me by saying that I cannot understand. You quote Scripture to justify this lack of understanding on my part. That very Scripture if true of myself means that I am yet wicked and therefore incapable of understanding. I cannot be both your brother and wicked if this paradigm is true.

On a more gentle note. I call you my friend because I have nothing against you. I call you my friend because you are full of zeal and take the name of the Lord. I would even call you my brother if I knew for certain that you were indeed my brother in Christ. I hope in Christ that you are my brother in Him.

I realise that this distinction will not concern you, but if you understood how God saves men and women and from what they are saved, you would also understand how truly wonderful is this life in Christ. Yes we are in the world, but if we are in Christ we cannot be off it. On the other hand this former dog, who once returned to his own vomit for sustenance, has now learned to retain the pure word of truth.

Many are they that have the truth. And this only because it was given freely. But to vomit truth out of your mouth and that because you prefer the vomit, is delusion at its height. We must abide in the truth and at the same time allow the truth to abide in us richly. Details, by what ever measure they come are never the truth. Truth is always accurate because it is a measure of Christ Himself.

Who taught you the things which you have come to believe?

If you don't ask yourself that question how will you know that your faith is certain.

Andrew M R Kelly

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You have said that you don't expect me to be able to understand what it is you believe concerning the elect of God. Can you not see right here in this saying you show that what you have is something for an elite few to understand. This directly attends to how you came by your beliefs. Who told you that only a few would be able to understand what the Scriptures teaches about God's calling and election of the saints.

Put more plainly. You call me brother and then deny me by saying that I cannot understand. You quote Scripture to justify this lack of understanding on my part. That very Scripture if true of myself means that I am yet wicked and therefore incapable of understanding. I cannot be both your brother and wicked if this paradigm is true.

Brother Andrew, you’re taking this personal. It’s nothing personal at all. Some of us are sick of the usual hogwash that’s being put out today. It’s all lies. The prophet Jeremiah spoke of this very thing; “we’ve inherited nothing but lies he said” Jeremiah 16:19

If they inherited nothing but lies, what do you think we got today? Lies, a lot of Lies.

You asked and I quote { Who taught you the things which you have come to believe? }

Do you have a bible? it’s all in there. I have posted nothing without biblical references. See the verse below, your answer is in that verse:

The fear of the Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom; A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING HAVE ALL THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS: His praise endureth for ever. Psalm 111:10

If you reject the commandments like the whole world is doing, you will not understand the plan of life period. I didn’t say that, King David did. So don’t hold it against me.

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Nothing of ones self matters. Not even an offence, which is in truth not an offence. How can you truly offend one who is worthy of destruction. Yet saved. Please read this passage of Scripture.

"On the morrow he was minded to go forth into Galilee, and he findeth Philip: and Jesus saith unto him, Follow me. 44 Now Philip was from Bethsaida, of the city of Andrew and Peter. 45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, wrote, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. 46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. 47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! 48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. 49 Nathanael answered him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art King of Israel. 50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee underneath the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. 51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye shall see the heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man". John 1:42-51

These few verses show what is the meaning of 'to be without guile'. Nathanael questioned whether any good thing could come out of Nazareth. Clearly he was profoundly wrong. And yet his lack of guile not only ensured him a provocation from the Lord which led to a true understanding that Christ was the son of God, and the King of Israel, but earned him the praise of the Lord and a promise to see heavenly things.

I said in my previous post in effect that you reminded me of Nathanael, in that you are speaking without hypocrisy. Which is why I wrote "you read". Can you see how having ones mind made up never leads to a proper understanding.

Please forgive me for setting this snare but unless you really do look to yourself and, for a season at least, stop attending to your doctrines and way of thinking about Christ, his saints, the elect, the coming kingdom, etc; you will know nothing of the truth.

How much you desire to see heavenly things. The problem friend is that such a desire can be delusional and false. Satan once awoke to look God right in the face. Thus was he created, not as God's opposer, but as a servant. How he came to oppose God is a matter of rightly dividing the Word of Truth.

There is a good desire to see heavenly things, even Christ who sits at the right hand of the Father on High.

There is also a wicked desire to storm heaven, to take the kingdom by violence. These have already failed.

From whence did you receive your beliefs and doctrines.

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Ok Andrew, you've been great, I enjoyed the debate very much so I'll put aside what I've learned from scripture and here you out. So what is truth? Im all ears. Teach me.

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I have started to assemble how many 'judgment' there are in Scripture. I have broke it up to The sin that provoke the judgement; the Response of God; the response of the people and the actual judgment. It is a weighty subject to cover. No where near done. But perhaps it may keep our minds on what the Lord is saying to us today. Here is my blog where the "judgments" is covered.
http://danbiser.blogspot.com/2011/10/judgment.html

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Here is my blog where the "judgments" is covered.
http://danbiser.blogspot.com/2011/10/judgment.html

thumbs Up! very very nice.

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If I say that I am not a teacher according to the calling of God then I am speaking the truth. If I were to say I have a gift of faith to teach, then I would be speaking the truth as well. If I were to say hear listen to me and draw near, I would become a false teacher and a liar.

On the other hand there is a calling of God in every man's life, if he is indeed called, and each of us are called and chosen if we have believed in the Son. Not only this, each one of the "called and the chosen" in their own lives come to learn what is the measure of God's calling in their lives. Otherwise we loose sight of God and Christ.

In truth I can't teach you anything. But drawing attention to present realities in a man's life may see like teaching.


Suppose I were to say "he who waits patiently upon the Lord will prosper."

Would this be the Truth, a truth or simply true.

It sounds as though it ought to be true, but what is its defining quality. What is its substance. If I were to look throughout the whole Word of God I could not find such a verse. Yet I know that countless saints would be unable to disagree with the truth it contains. How is this possible.

The Word of God is a living Word. Thats it!

One may read a particular Scripture and forgetting the form of words, still keep the meaning. This is God's wisdom. One ought to quote Scripture accurately and yet it is a fact that all those who believe, in their most passionate moments, express wonderful truth without the precise form.

Consider this Scripture: Psalm 40 1-3

1 I waited patiently for Jehovah; And he inclined unto me, and heard my cry.

2 He brought me up also out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay; And he set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.

3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: Many shall see it, and fear, And shall trust in Jehovah.

This is the form and "he who waits patiently upon the Lord will prosper" is the spirit.

Jesus said, "whosoever believes in Me, from his inner most parts shall flow rivers of living water".

The letter of the Word is sacred, but the Spirit of the Word is eternal life.


What you believe seems to me to hinge on two principle ideas. One is a sacred truth, the other is a blatant lie.

Both of these two things have taken your mind captive, the one to good works and the other to a lie.

You believe that if you don't keep the whole of God's commandments you will not in the end be 'proven' chosen and elect. So you labour after good works. In part this explains why you have been so polite in these posts. You don't want to be found to be in transgression of the law.

You also believe that Satan is female. Strange as it may seem to say it, this belief lies at the root of most of your mind set. It is a grossly more difficult thing to believe, than that you need to keep the whole law of God in order to be proven 'elect'.

The feeling that one has to keep the law of God, for the one who is born again, comes from the revelation that the law of God is holy, righteous and good. Before newness of life we certainly didn't believe that at all. Let alone seek to honour God in it. If on the other hand we try to keep the whole law of God, or even one small part, we will realise very quickly that we can't do it. We have to rely on the resurrection life of Christ working in us, to walk in a manner pleasing to God.

Only you can judge yourself to know whether Christ is in you. This is why I encouraged you to look to yourself and not to teachings for a season.

The provocation of believing that Satan is female is a whole lot more difficult to understand. At the root of it lies a desire of Satan to draw attention to himself and to bring about a delusion which is equal to being in possession of some extraordinary knowledge which only the 'elect' can understand. This is your condition. You said so. The 'shock' you spoke about when you were minded to post a teaching or revelation on the subject was pride in that knowledge.

This is the finger of God for you, if you can believe it.

Clearly I do not know you personally, but what you believe is ancient. It is known. Please examine yourself. You know yourself better than any other, so judge yourself.

This was the original post. How many judgements of God are their? You answered it with a precise answer. 6000 years for man's self rule. 1000 years for the restoration of the earth by Christ and His elect. 100 years to give every soul who had not become the 'elect' to see righteousness at first hand and thereby change their minds and accept Christ.

Apart from the 1000 years the measure you have measured is false. No such measures as you define them, exist in the Scriptures.

To be deceived it is necessary to begin with a lie. This gross distraction from the truth then has the power to form the basis for a whole doctrine of demons.

The lie my friend didn't come from you and it didn't begin with you, but you have believed it. Satan is the father of lies and a liar from the beginning. In him their is no truth. He abrogated his former position by reason of corruption. Even the corruption of his trade. He led others along with Him, they attending to their own wickedness, until they too came under the destruction which God wrought in that wicked one. God brought fire from within his midst and destroyed him. From the inside out. He can only appear like an angel of light, inwardly he is destroyed. You should know it.

Andrew M R Kelly

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Wow Andrew, that was beautiful. Man! I did not know how wrong I was till you ponted it out. Thank you brother, what a wonderful revelation. You mean I can enter a righteous kingdom without being righteous? wow that makes a lot of sense.

Well, unfortunately a couple of folks here on SI beat you to it. Just read my post and you'll see the hatred and disgust shown because I uphold the Law. You call the Law acient? It's the plan of Life.

But I don't expect you to understand. You will , one day. You will. Nice talking to you Andrew. It was a pleasure.

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Andrew,

Do not feel bad for your lack of fruit in your efforts. theEphah loves to pretend to keep the law - it makes him feel "holy" and "special". Paul died to the law through the body of Christ that he might bring forth fruit to God. theEphah lives to the law through a religous spirit and can bring forth nothing but death in his own life and others. This is the best that anyone without the holy Spirit, who has never experienced the new birth can come up with. I do not say that as an insult but as a plain an awful fact that will have to be reckoned with now or on the day of judgment.

Romans 7 Or do you not know, brothers--for I am speaking to those who know the law--that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress. Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.

Plain and simple - not dead to the law - not bearing fruit to God - not bearing fruit to God - cut down and cast into the fire. What is that fruit to God, 613 commands? No, not the letter but the Spirit, not 10% and one day a week - mixed linens and such - but 100% and seven days a week. Is the new birth inferior then - God forbid. But how can a man be born a second time when he is already grown?

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Galatians chapters 2 - 3 - 4 - 5.

Adding Romans 6 - just in case - and Blessings.

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Thanks for your encouragement Brother Jim and Sister J.I.G. I actually really like this man. He reminds me of myself when I was a youth. This is a funny story I hope he reads it too.

One day I was hauled out in front of the whole school assembly to be beaten. I was at boarding school and I had kept a little chick which had fallen from its nest and was feeding it in my room. No pets allowed was the cry from the head. I did my usual innocent look, even though I knew very well that I had deliberately broken the rules. The poor headmaster seeing how much I was gaining sympathy from my fellow school fiends, lost it and grabbed me by the collar in a fury. My top button pinged off into the air. Only then did I actually realise that I was in trouble. He still gave me the beating.

This young man's reply is of course mocking but that is a small thing to me as it is for you as well. The Lord is gracious. Like I say I still got the beating. Amen

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