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Obama's new health care bills-RFID Chip implant is mark of the beast Part 1 & 2prof.
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Revelation's MARK OF THE BEAST 666 and the new Senate health care bill HR3200
PART 1

A few days ago, my husband and I went to the post office to put up fliers on their community bulletin board. Our fliers are usually torn down, so we have to monitor them weekly. As I was putting one up a young man came over and we got to talking about the economy and how he was out of work and could not find any. The more we spoke the more I felt compelled to tell him I believed we would see the Lord return in our lifetime. We found out this man was a Christian and he mentioned very briefly that his wife had found on the web that human micro-chipping is right around the corner.

I had forgotten this conversation until a few days ago. When I remembered I started researching it and found out that it was not only true, but the microchip was incorporated in our last health care bill covertly. The process as stated in the bill will begin in "December of 2012". This new law requires an RFID (radio frequency identification) chip implanted in all US citizens. This chip will not only contain your personal information with tracking capability but it will also be linked to your bank account. No US citizen will be allowed in or out of our country without it. And get this, Page 1004 of the new law (dictating the timing of this chip), reads, and I quote: "Not later than 36 months after the date of the enactment". It is now the law of the land that by "March 23 2013" we will all be required to have an RFID chip underneath the skin. Testing has begun with implanting under the skin of the hand. (I will send a PDF of the bill). Please note to look for "The National Registry" on about page 1000.

Revelation 13:16 ~ And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.
Revelation 13:17 ~ And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Revelation 13:18 ~ Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

I hope you know where I am going with this. If you receive the mark of the beast, the Bible says that anyone who will accept this mark will be thrown in the Lake of Fire. You lost your own soul even if you accept Christ you will be thrown in hell with the Anti-Christ.

"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: 'If ANYONE worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of THE SAINTS who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus' " (Rev. 14:9-12).

RFID Microchip
The New Law
And now we come to it. On Sunday March 21, 2010 the Senate Healthcare bill HR3200 was passed and signed into law the following Tuesday. Like I said before, there are a legion of horrible and just plain evil aspects to this bill. I don’t want to discount them but what cannot be missed here is this new law now opens a prophetic door on a magnitude not seen since the reformation of Israel. This new law requires an RFID chip implanted in all of us. This chip will not only contain your personal information with tracking capability but it will also be linked to your bank account. And get this, Page 1004 of the new law (dictating the timing of this chip), reads, and I quote: "Not later than 36 months after the date of the enactment". It is now the law of the land that by March 23rd 2013 we will all be required to have an RFID chip underneath our skin and this chip will be link to our bank accounts as well as have our personal records and tracking capability built into it.
Other ways big brother will impact us is by population control via vaccines. (see below links).
The more Kevin and I dig, the more we find. I am starting a blog in which we will discuss links below along with the new "Internet Kill Switch" bill which would allow our president exclusive power like the Egyptian president to shut down this form of communication.
Before my research, I was only mildly interested with politics, but now I am awake and watch the Congress and/or Senate and Monday-Friday.


If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. ~Andy McIntyre and Derek Bok

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PART 2

“The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that—‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and ‘‘(B) is a class III device; or ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable.”

I’m not a lawyer by training, but I do believe the text above is actually calling for people to have RFID chips implanted into them. The language appears to be calling for the establishment of a central database to keep track of those with class II devices, including those that are implantable. Implantable RFID technology does not yet appear to be a class II medical device though the FDA provides guidance on how it could become a class II medical device at a later date.
See the following link (Page 4) for more on the FDA’s thinking on RFID technology: Link

The quoted text above was from H.R. 3200 (Section 2561), which was one of the several versions of health care reform legislation that House of Representatives originally considered voting on. The House of Representatives ultimately passed a bill called H.R. 3962 which included some of the items in H.R. 3200. I took a look at H.R. 3962 (Section 2571) and found that the text of the passage altered drastically.


The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each covered device. ‘(B) In this subsection, the term ‘covered device’--Comments Close Comments Permalink ‘(i) shall include each class III device; and ‘(ii) may include, as the Secretary determines appropriate and specifies in regulation, a class II device that is life-supporting or life-sustaining.


The altered text says nothing about implantable devices, but it was the Senate version of the health care reform legislation (and soon the reconciliation bill) that is now waiting to be signed by Barack Obama into law (not H.R. 3962). I accessed the Senate reform legislation and the reconciliation bill, and the reconciliation bill contains very similar language to H.R. 3962, but with the reinsertion of the term “implantable”:

HR 4872 (Reconciliation Bill) Section 2521


‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that--‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and (B) is--Comments Close Comments Permalink ‘(i) a class III device; orComments Close Comments Permalink ‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.Comments Close Comments Permalink

I think the text is calling for the establishment of a database for implantable medical devices that may include implantable RFID devices at a later date. This text might lead to a database that could potentially later facilitate a nationwide RFID system.
I spend time researching this and I hope you will do this as well. I hope for adult dialog and not name calling as I have experienced with with my own extended family. I believe a person can make a point without being disrespectful and using foul language. If you are that person I am VERY interested in your thoughts and/or research.
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"I hope you know where I am going with this. If you receive the mark of the beast, the Bible says that anyone who will accept this mark will be thrown in the Lake of Fire. You lost your own soul even if you accept Christ you will be thrown in hell with the Anti-Christ."

Why go about shouting of suspected enemies outside the camp when the enemy is already within. It is all part of the ploy. Always on the lookout for a liberal/muslim/gay/fill in the blank to give us a mark never realizing the professing churches already spiritually hold that mark.

As Art Katz said, to be a normal christian today is to be an apostate. Given this truth maybe our time would be better spent examining our remaining allegiances to apostate christendom than the latest conspiracy theory. That is not an indictment against anyone here btw.

In Christ -jim

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And why is it that people especially Christian people, think that this RFID is the dreaded mark of the beast?

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"And why is it that people especially Christian people, think that this RFID is the dreaded mark of the beast?"

Because the whole social security number is the mark of the beast thing didnt pan out.. seriously, we should keep our eyes on Jesus. Be wise to the day we live in but not carried away with conspiracy theory.

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Well said brother Jim!

Blessings...from brother rbanks

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Snopes says this rumor is bogus:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

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QUOTE: "And why is it that people especially Christian people, think that this RFID is the dreaded mark of the beast?"==APPROVED


Why? Because NO ONE, neither rich nor poor, will be able to buy, sell, or trade without the mark. So that implies that the mark has to have some sort of tracking capabilities. Otherwise how would anyone be able to control all the world?

Implantable microchips have already been around for a number of years now. They are just waiting to be used on a widespread scale. I don't see the need for scoffing at this person's post. There are many things that are quietly being moved into place for the end of days.

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I don't see the need for scoffing at this person's post.
Please don't add false information to the thread brother. We all hide behind a nick and unless we have the gift of discernment than we should rephrase the inquiry to say, "I hope you weren't scoffing brother". *sigh*

Trekker, Let me rephrase the question. What makes us think that this particular chip or any chip is thee mark of the beast?

I guess what I am saying is, Who has sanctioned this chip to be the mark of the beast? In our day, who has authorized this to the very thing that we are looking for?

And don't say the Apostle John (the reason is that John saw and wrote them down, it's up to the future to reveal whether he was right or wrong). I am looking for someone in our day besides all the fantastic books & movies that are out there on the subject, WHO has said it in our day that this RFID chip is thee Mark?

Let me give you an example as to what I mean. We read from the word of God certain scriptures that were prophesied in the Old Testament and when the prophesy came to pass the narrative would say, "And this was fulfilled according to the word of Isaiah the prophet".

Now, taking that example, WHO is the narrative in our day that is saying, "And this was fulfilled according to the word spoken by the Apostle John".

Who is putting their finger on these fulfillments and saying, "This is that which was spoken by the Apostle John"?

I personally don't know.

Do you love me brother? :-)

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I can understand the need to be discerning and not be carried away by every so called conspiracy theory. But tbere are things happening in this world that give rise to the soon return of Christ Jesus. The sad reality is when these things are mentioned in this forum certain parties come out and decry conpiracy. Or these parties will mock and disparage. Or some will say we are posting lies.

If this be the case why are the warning signs and judgements given to point to the imminent return of Jesus Christ? It is said every fifth or sixth verse of the New Testament points to the return of Jesus Christ?

The return io Jesus Christ is mentioned in Mathews, Mark, and Luke. It is implied in John. The last book of the Bible deals with the return of Jesus.

My question to the forum? Do you believe in the return of Jesus Christ? Why do you fear his return? Why do you excoriated those of us who believe in his return? Why do you accuse us of conspiracy or even posting lies?

Bearnaster.

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Hi Bearmaster,


My question to the forum? Do you believe in the return of Jesus Christ? Why do you fear his return? Why do you excoriated those of us who believe in his return? Why do you accuse us of conspiracy or even posting lies?

I think that we all believe in the return of Jesus Christ. I don't know anyone who "fears" His return -- but that we all look joyfully and long for it.

As for "conspiracy theories:" There is much difference between those things that are essential doctrines, proven truths or things that are based upon the limited research that we sometimes do.

No one is saying that we shouldn't research and present those things if we feel the Lord leading us in such a direction. However, I believe that it is important to include a "disclaimer" before presenting something as "truth" that might be more of an opinion, rumor or result of our "digging."

We shouldn't fear when our specific claims are searched and analyzed. The Bereans were considered of "more noble character" when they "checked" to see if what Paul the Apostle said was true. In fact, Paul told the Thessalonians to "test everything" and "hold onto the good" (I Thessalonians 5:21). As children of God seeking purity in all things, I think that we should welcome such tests.

We are all human and see things from this side of the "glass darkly" (I Corinthians 13:12). Our "research" is often undoubtedly flawed. We might hear something told to us...perform a little research to "verify" it and later find out that it was either filled with half-truths, assumptions or is even incorrect altogether. This is why we must be careful and even welcome when someone tests what we say.

According to this website's Forum Disclaimer/Community Rules:
"Conspiracy and Conspiracy Theory

We believe there is certainly a conspiracy afoot, that which is present since the fall of mankind in their enmity with God. What other websites or ministries may have of a variety of present theory as it relates to what the governments of the world are doing is too much in dispute to be presented here. The New World Order and One Government system is understood in a variety of fashion. What we will not allow is unscrupulous and un-scriptural notions and ideals to foster fear and paranoia to the saints. Our trust and yours should be placed firmly in God, not in the conspiracy of the world, the flesh or the devil. We will monitor these things in our best discretion but do not bring in ministries or other agendas devoted to these mandates."

I hope that this makes more sense.

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Chris,

Bro you are a good defender of the status quo. You and a few others din't want to hear about conspiracy theories. Then explain the more obvious signs of the return of Jesus Christ. What of the great earthquakes occurring over the planet? What of famines and diseases? What of apostacy and the increase in persecution? These signs are clearly spelled out in the gospels. Spoken by Jesus himself.

I assume I am not violating SI protocals by referring to Mat.24, Luke 21, and Mark13. But then again maybe I am. Perhaps the return of Christ is taboo in this forum.

Bearmaster.

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About the mark of the beast... please read Rev. 13.16-14.1 taking out the chapter division (which was never there in the first place).

You'll note that Rev. 14.1 tells us of certain ones who have the name of the Lamb and His Father written in their foreheads.

Question. Do you think this means that these ones have Jesus and Jehovah (or Yahweh) written literally across their forheads? Do you see yourself safe from the mark of the beast by having J-e-s-u-s written across your brow in indelible ink? Or 7-7-7, maybe?

...So then, just what does it mean to have the mark of the beast, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name in one's right hand or forehead?

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No one is saying that we shouldn't research and present those things if we feel the Lord leading us in such a direction.
The thing that I fear is interpreting the word of God based upon conspiracy theories and urban legends.

Many years ago they thought that the mark was a tattoo, then came the idea of the barcode, as technology and microchips came into circulation they turned their attentions to the latest fad and books were written on the subject and a great wave of information swept the Churches.

Just because something is popular doesn't mean that it's right. I am investigating this RFID through illumination of the Holy Ghost to see if this is truth or misinformation.

That is my take on it.

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I believe everyone here has valid points to this topic:

1. Focusing on the return of the Lord more and the signs of His coming

2. Not submitting to something that will release our control as humans or being weary of it.

3. Desiring not to over emphasis on conspiracy theories and possible scenarios.

4. To have more trust in Christ and not given in to a spirit of fear.

5. To compare all current events with the light of scripture.

I feel a lot of the brothers have great ideas and views and may we be willing to learn from each other.

One suggestion I will add is in my observations particularly in America there seems to be a focusing on the christian world-view from just an american stand point. Therefore if it happens in America or can happen in america it must be right.

This is where you get pockets of believers in america believing in KJV onlyism yet that principle falls apart once you travel across the world to other language groups. If the American government required chips to be implanted but the rest of the world didn't this would show it would not be the mark of the beast. I am not advocating receiving an implant of anything, common sense says no to this!

May we have a broader perspective then just the country we are living in.

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"...So then, just what does it mean to have the mark of the beast, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name in one's right hand or forehead?"

Those are good questions allen and I wouldnt mind hearing more about what you shared.

In Christ -Jim

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Hi, Jim. Personally I think the idea of a microchip or some such thing "misses the mark."

Having the name of the Lamb and His Father in our foreheads—this is about the mind of Christ, and His character, not some external thing on the skin.

The same with the name of the beast, and his mark and the number of his name written in the forehead, or the right hand. I feel this has to do with the carnal works of our hands and the mind of the flesh—but come to fullness and energized by Satan himself now. This, I believe, is the significance of 666—six being the number of man (for man was created on the sixth day along with the beasts of the field), and three being the number of fullness in which there is a progression unto fulness. First the blade, then the ear, then the full corn in the ear. The outer court, the holy place, the holy of holies... Or James on the wisdom that is “earthly, sensual, demonic...” There’s a threefold progression that comes to fullness.

And so three sixes—this is unregenerate man grown to fullness, the man of sin, who sits in the temple of God portraying himself to be God. His mind, his thinking, His plans, and the works of his hands... it is energized by Satan, not the Holy Spirit. And he has set up shop in the church.

My point is that we can be wary about taking the mark of the beast and be concerned about some cunning scheme, but if we are not earnestly seeking to come into the mind of Christ, the mind of the Spirit... if we are involved in the works of the flesh and are not mortifying our members which are upon the earth — including our right hand — how can we know that the mark of the beast maybe isn’t being written in our hand right now?

Maybe it's more reassuring to put that the other way around. We don't have to be fearful about taking the mark of the beast if we are seeking with all our hearts to let the Lamb of God write His Name and His Father's Name in our forheads and in our hands... though there will be a cost to that.

...I wrote something on this a while back and could send it to you if you like.

Allan

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Calling reality a conspiracy won't change the emerging of that reality, or this particular law known to exist since three years already, what we are supposed to do is to investigate the claims made and verify if this is actual legislation or not.

Jesus did set us free from fear to be able to overcome this willing ignorance the flesh finds so much comfort in.

Let's have a closer look of this weeks news, what are the up and coming news that could give us a hint whats up with that emerging reality, as it is visible today, where are we at? I just checked my mailbox and picked 3 random incoming messages of today:

The economical and coming social aspects:
http://www.beaconequity.com/we-are-preparing-for-massive-civil-war-says-dhs-informant-2012-05-03/

The simmering global political aspects:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/9243954/Russia-threatens-Nato-with-military-strikes-over-missile-defence-system.html

The spiritual aspects:
http://www.gjigt-radio.com/podcast/audio/Mark_of_the_Beast.mp3

That might be the real news, it was to me. However I got the point of the message that now only scripture can accurately interpret scripture, not my already exisiting audio file library. If I can receive that much truth I already gained from that message, after recovering from the first shock and picking up my Bible to either confirm - or refute the message. Whatever you do with it, don't forget to use the key that is left to us now that determines truth, nothing else is reliable any longer: After we heard all doctrines of men and every wind of opinion there is - Now, only scripture can accurately interpret scripture. And it's good in that regard to have a scripture search engine, to find all related verses by keywords. That's what I used to verify the claim of the author. It's a Bible software with included keyword search, use that to find All and every verse of any keyword or phrase used, this really helps, because if God speaks about certain things we can find all and every instance of that phrase or keyword He uses, and also the previous instances. That's how you find related content as intended to be related by the Author of the scriptures, so we don't have to make up your own definitions just because we cannot identify the root theme and its related details. How marvellous!

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RFID chips are a reality, debit and credit cards have them embedded. They're passive tracking devices.Cell phones have GPS in them. Greg posted an article on how their is a push to put "black boxes", or "event recorders" in cars post 2015. Which is ironic, seeing as how we wont up CAFE mileage standards, but there's a push now for 'event recorders' in auto's.

drive down any interstate, and you'll see cameras mounted on light poles, and we're talking sometimes in stretches that pass thru rural areas. Urban areas have more cameras that you could imagine.

my point? it seems that we are moving into a surveillance society.

to surveil what exactly? i dont know.

i do know several things, the Constitution is in the process of being shredded, while people sleep. i do know that there is much consternation from many quarters about the tear-a-rist threat, usually the mohammendan variety.
lots of worry about sharia law coming to a mall near you.

if you give a full study to the variants of the sons of Ishmael, they are totally divided, much like the 'church', little c, except these boys just love to kill one another, almost as much as 'infidels'.

i do know that 'authorities' view cyber social media, as a potential threat, facebook type platforms, twitters, discussion boards.

THE WHOLE POINT, i trying to make is this, all i wrote in the above is 'of the world', and when i repeatedly write, "flee babylon', what i'm trying say to say is this, take yourself OUT OF THE EQUATION.

i'm not saying to be unaware of the times, but recognize them for what they are, the debris of babylon. Since they have NOTHING to do with Christ, they are ANTI-Christ, and the Bible is VERY clear about what happens to anti-christ entities, or spirits, or darkened men, who embrace the spirit of anti-christ. The Word is very clear on this.

Now how WE or i or you, walk this out, in your life, is to be led by God the Holy Spirit, Wonderful Consuler, Who is the Yes and Amen of all Truth.

Now, it was a roman imperial functionary, Pilate, who asked Jesus Messiah, "what is truth?", just before our Lord shed His Blood as the Final Pascal Lamb...right?

then 280 some odd years later, it was a roman warlord, that had his men paint a "cross" on their shields, and the "holy roman church" was born.


he who has ears......

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Adisciple, I love your thoughts on this subject.

Now let me ask you a question that has come to mind while reading this,

His mind, his thinking, His plans, and the works of his hands... it is energized by Satan, not the Holy Spirit. And he has set up shop in the church.
How was Satan able to prevail against the Church? Taking from the verse, "And the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church".

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it seems that we are moving into a surveillance society.
One day it will be under a socialist regime, all great countries all end up being under another type of system. Rome was a republic it didn't stay that way, it changed to another system where the government was above the law.

I remember watching a news program from the Al Jazeera news network (the best place to get middle east news). The news anchor man who was talking behind the cameras was being interviewed by the host of this program and the question was asked how America would be brought down. His answer was incredible. He said, "I am confident that the American people will bring themselves down, that I am sure, it's just a matter of time. Their constitution will turn against them".

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If Satan is setting io shop in the church (and I believe he is) , this has to be the organized structured church. The victorious church Jesus speaks of in Mat.16 will be that gathering where Jesus is present among two ir three. This is already being played out in the underground church in persecuted countries.

Perhaps this is best illustrated in China. Church where Satan has set io shop...Three Self Patriotic Movement Church. This church backed by antichrist government of China. Victorious on fire for Jesus church...house churches if China. Those whom the government are persecuting.

Hope this might answer the question.

Bearmaster.

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Hi, Approved. You asked, “How was Satan able to prevail against the Church? Taking from the verse, ‘And the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church.’”

I think the short answer to your question is to recognize that it is only on resurrection ground that the church of Jesus Christ can be built. The church that stands on resurrection ground cannot be infiltrated by Satan. But if I am moving in the flesh, he finds his ground there. He finds his opening to come in. Unchecked he makes his seat there (his throne).

This has obviously happened in some churches-- in fact on a very large scale. Whenever and wherever people are still functioning in churches on the basis of the first Adam — with the mind of the flesh still active, and the works of their own hands—they are providing ground for Satan to come in.

Ultimately, of course, we have confidence that our Lord is building His church which the gates of Hell cannot prevail against. Jesus said, “the Prince of this world cometh, and has nothing in me.” Satan had no “ground” to stand on in Jesus, or to work in.

He has nothing in us either... as long as we abide in Christ — on resurrection ground.

Allan

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Hi, from www.thewarningsecondcoming.com, Jesus explains as follows:
New World Order Plan to control your money and food
Sunday, April 17, 2011
My beloved daughter tell the world that they are about to witness a number of ecological disasters now.
They will occur in the most unusual and unexpected places and will be severe in their intensity. Man´s sinful behaviour has brought this about. Repent all of you and remember these climatic disasters will wake you up from your blind slumber and lack of faith. They are also taking place to dilute the impact of the evil group of global alliances and their wicked stupid activities. These groups under what I will term as a New World Government in waiting are planning to spring now under the leadership of the Anti-Christ. These same groups have brought about the collapse of the Banking system and will now destroy currencies everywhere. This is so that they can control you.
My daughter when I first shared this message some months ago you thought that the messages seemed bizarre yet you wrote down what I told you. The wicked evil plan these serpents, followers of Satan, has been plotted for some time now. Some of their cunning schemes are already being revealed yet many people believe that the world is simply going through yet another financial crisis. Wake up all of you now.
Look around you and see for yourselves. Stop trying to imply that the world is simply in the throes of a depression caused by a slump in the economy. Because this is not true. These people will now control each of you through a global currency and your country´s indebtedness. No country will escape their clutches. Please heed My word. Your money will be worthless. Your access to food and other necessities will only be possible through the Mark, the identification I spoke about. Please please do not accept this Mark because you will be lost to Me. This mark will kill you not just physically but spiritually. Remain
outside of this jurisdiction. Start planning your food stock piles, blankets, candles and water now if you want to avoid receiving The Mark. The Mark of the Beast.
He the Anti-Christ who will head this New World Government believes he will steal the souls of the human race. But he won´t. Just as many will fall under his influence so too will my followers remain steadfastly loyal to Me their Divine Saviour.
For all of you who will pour scorn on these prophecies listen now. Fall under the influence of this global power and you will be lost. You will need strong faith to survive. Prayers you request will be answered. I will protect you during this fearsome period on earth. Prepare now for group gatherings where you will be able to pray in peace and secrecy. They, the New World Order will also be in prayer in their own vile churches. These churches exist everywhere although they have been set up in secret. They hold sacrifices and pay homage to their idol Satan. These cults are rampant now and all share the one ludicrous goal, to control mankind. They will do this by attempting to control your money, food supplies and energy. Fight them in the best way you can through prayer and the spread of conversion. Pray too for
these deluded people who have been made promised of great wealth, technology, longer life and miracles. How wrong they are. They have been truly deceived. When they find out the truth they will have been plunged into the depths of Hell and it will be too late.
Pray pray all of you My Divine Mercy and the Most Holy Rosary every day as often as you can to alleviate the impact of this devious and demonic plan. Pray too for those souls who will be lost in the imminent global ecological disasters brought about by the Hand of God, the Father. They need your prayers. Please heed my plea for prayers for they will be answered.
Your beloved Saviour Jesus Christ

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Wow Fiat,
that was a nice cool glass of water with only a drop Or two deadly, damning poison. You had me at "Holy Rosary". Repent of the idolatry of Rome or you have already accepted the very mark you claim to speak against. There is still time. Mary is not coredeemer. Christ alone can save. Claiming Christ Himself is prophesying to say the rosary is misguided & a lie from the pits of hell. Repent and seek the Lord while He may be found. If you truly do, you will see the idolatry in Catholicism.

Allan,
I wholeheartedly agree with you. The mark is predominately spiritual. I think there may also be a physical mark to accompany it in the end, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm 100% sure of the spiritual mark which affects a mans works and his thought life.

God Bless

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You know, that chip will not damn anyone to hell, it's superstitious nonsense conjured up by clever men who began circulating these ideas into the Christian mind when the microchip was invented. Look how many got mixed up in these bible codes, it's sheer ludicrous. We Christians are the most superstitious people on the face of the earth. The things that we hold to sometimes put pagans to shame. Paul said that as soon as he was dead that ravenous wolves would enter in and would not spare the flock, and they have had their way down through the ages, and they are still with us today. They know how to draw people in, just talk about the future, give your take on how it will all end, Mars Hill is teeming with people with new ideas of how it will all end. We Christians love talking about the end days but get them to talk about giving your life up for Christ and you'll scarcely find a soul that is interested in hearing about that.

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Whether this rumor is true or not we do know this technology is being used in animals.

If this chip indeed is going to be the mark Revelation talks about, I think it is a real clever way for the enemy to blind people to the possibility that it will be what Revelation is talking about. Actually, I doubt one will one morning wake up and that it will suddenly be here to everyone's amazement and shock. As I understand the devil's modus operandi it will be subtle, slow, masquerading as something beneficial.

The reason people think it will be the mark is because Revelation tells us that nobody will be able to buy or sell without it. If one reads what its purveyors are dreaming about how it could/will be used it does give one pause.

Yes, I believe in the literal interpretation of people acquiring the mark of the beast and its attendant advantages and curse. Take your pick: it will be your choice and you cannot blame another for it. No one can escape this choice. Let us be ever watchful and alert - the Holy Spirit will teach us if we allow Him to.

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I do wonder what motivates the amillennialist to disregard the literal interpretation of this scripture - Revelation 13:16-18? Is it because it sounds too dreadful to endure?

In any case, God's Word is true and we do well to be a fervent student of it - it will become a matter of life and death for us.

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Thank you, Ginnyrose.

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I have been told that people groups in remote places on this planet who never had access to land-lines phones, now have cell phones.

Since this is the case it makes this possibility very real - the possibility the devil will use the chip for his purposes.

In our business we only accept checks or cash. We are not set up to accept any kind of electronic payments of any kind, just old-fashioned cash and checks. The gov will give us readers so we can accommodate them, but so far have not accessed this assistance. It is interesting as I look back that other events have imposed themselves on us rendering our acquisition impossible. Wonder if it was a mere co-incidence or God inspired?

Methinks one needs to be aware, open-minded lest we be caught unawares.

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Since this is the case it makes this possibility very real - the possibility the devil will use the chip for his purposes.
IF, I say if, this has anything to do with bible prophecy at all, I have my doubts.

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"You know, that chip will not damn anyone to hell"

So you will guarantee that we surely will not die if we take it?

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So you will guarantee that we surely will not die if we take it?
Someone pointed out something earlier in this thread that was pretty amazing. When we read the bible, we should read it as if it never had chapters and verses because in it's original, there was no such structures placed on it. It read like a continues saga.

This what Adisciple brought out in his post,

About the mark of the beast... please read Rev. 13.16-14.1 taking out the chapter division (which was never there in the first place).

You'll note that Rev. 14.1 tells us of certain ones who have the name of the Lamb and His Father written in their foreheads.

Question. Do you think this means that these ones have Jesus and Jehovah (or Yahweh) written literally across their forheads? Do you see yourself safe from the mark of the beast by having J-e-s-u-s written across your brow in indelible ink? Or 7-7-7, maybe?

If the Mark of the Beast is a physical microchip implantation, what is the physical mark that the Father will put on Christians?

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You start with an assumption and then try to reason backwards. Satan is a known counterfeiter, to start with the implementation and nature of his counterfeit and then try to get a clue about what the orignal is, is just a misunderstanding you have.

But the answer to your question is in this thread. It's an audio file that addresses it, the speaker corrects your assumption from a "physical mark" to an "observable sign" by comparing scripture with scripture. However this is an advanced study, and someone has to tell you that your basic orientation to express things like "You know, that chip will not damn anyone to hell" would make it very difficult for you to understand it. It is one thing to express a doubt about current beliefs within Christianity, it's another thing to be expressively pro-chip and trying to convey that "we know it's harmless" for being implanted into human beings.

Actually we do not know that, and secondly it's not true, and third it's expressively forbidden by God.

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It's also an assumption to believe that the microchip is the mark of the beast.

The problem with those that study the book of Revelation is the lack of comparing scripture with scripture, it's more like comparing scripture with the daily news and that is where most people run into error.

I could really get into this scripture comparing with scripture regarding the book of revelation but because I respect the sites webmaster, I refuse to do that, because the thread would turn into a bloodbath and it's not worth it.

You start with an assumption and then try to reason backwards.
Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment. :-)

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I also think that the microchip is not the mark if the beast. The book if Revelation is pretty symbolic with much imagery. I do believe a series if future events were envisioned by John that give rise to the return of Jesus. But I don't think that the microchip is the envisoned mark.

When one looks at Rev.13 there is worship of the beast or antichrist. Then the mark is implied. I find myself agreeing that the mark is ore of a spiritual sign. Satan's seal of those who worship his antichrist.

The believer will be sealed in the Holy Spirit to show that they belong to God. We see this in Eph.1 and 4. And conveyed in Rev.7 and 14.

I profess to be no prophesy expert. But I believe those who are saying the mark is a spiritual sign are more on Target.

N. Korea and Eritrea are two countries that are examples of what awaits in Revekation. Both of these countries have oppressive governments that are antichrist in nature. Both of these countries command allegiance to the state. If you worship Jesus you are executed or jailed.

In both of these countries the followers of the antichrist system do not have a visible mark. But they show their devotion to their demonic leader by displaying his picture or bowing in his presence, etc. After the recent death of Kim Jung Il of N. Korea people went crazy with orchestrated grief over this man's death. They did this in showing their devotion to him. Of course this man will be judged by God for the thousands of believers who died under him.

I share the above to suggest that allegiance to antichrist can be expressed in other ways. Not nessariky a microchip.

I think the mark is more spiritual than literal.

Bearnaster.

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I run the risk of having certain members of this forum get on my case about posting conspiracy. But I think we can agree the war in terror is a reality we live with. 9/11 and the ensuing Patriot Acts and homeland Security are not conspiracy but reality. Can we agree on this?

I can see something in the not too distant future where another major terrorist attack could occur. We pray to God that it won't. But just think if another 9/11 attack occurred. People will be screaming for the government to do something. Peace and safety. Government mandates that we prove ourselves to be good citizens. You get the picture.

Here us a more likely scenereo that woukd occur. Americans would need to show their loyalty to the state. Do this by taking a chip and thus track you. Or else visit your local ____ camp. Or detention center to have the situation explained more thoroughly. Here believers will be faced with a xhouce. Loyalty to the state or loyalty to Christ.

Sants this occurred in Rome in the first few cenuries of the spread if the gospel. Christians were persecuted to the point of death because they would not sacrifice to Caesar. The sacrifice was a means to prove their loyalty to the state. They could still worship Jesus. But they needed to be loyal Romans by sacrificing to Caesar. But no go. And you know the rest of the story.

What I suggest above is a far mire likely sceneteo. Films please before you jump on ne do the research. I believe there are discerning people who know the turbulant times we are living in. You know there is a war on terror taking place. You know that American citizens particularly Christians are under suspician. We are under survielance. This is not fiction or conspiracy but fact.

I invite you, Google National Defence Authorization Act. Or NDAA. This is an act passed by Congress and signed by the President. The act revokes Passe Comitatas. In essence the President can declare martial law and suspend due process.

The implications for the believer are very sobering. Greg challenged us to study the history of the martyrs. Read Martyrs Mirror. Read Foxes Book of Martyrs. Read Richard Wormbrandt. Listen to Art Katz and Denny Mennaston in the history of the martyrs. Look at how the saints are perservering in foreign countries. More importantly. Read the New Testament, particularly Revelation. For I belueve we will soon see persecution in our land.

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kelly2002

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcLqHcl8M20&feature=related

quote from youtube

Lindsey Williams, a Pastor with Elite (illuminati) connections thru the Grace of God, has stated that the name of the game for these Elites is control and that the Obamacare plan is not a health care plan at all - as quoted directly from these Elites. The dream here and the research explains much.

FRED, Federal Reserve economic data , new world order

FRED means Peace Ruler....aka AntiChrist

check the bible , in the beginning of first 3 and 1/2 years , the antiChrist is a FALSE peace ruler (peace keeper). (Daniel 9:27) 1 Thessalonians 5:1-3

obama , he might be the person to paved the way for antichrist.


http://www.openheaven.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=39721&PN=1

my thought : (1 cent opinion)
when a person have bio-chip implanted in his body,
basically, he seems like a commodity, he lost his freedom,diginity,
GPS can track his location, and his banking,credit card, bio-data all saved in the chip. he would enslaved into some control/censor system. you can not buy or sell without the chip.
what I learned from this post , it is a warning to ask Christians to aware the bio-chip, do not be control by it.
that is it !
I heard a christian who work in computer field, he suggest us not to use Facebook (at least , do not store your personal data in the facebook or something like that)
why ? for the database is centralized . it can easily be controlled by any government later (if that is bad government) . we are in a dangerous period of time.
we really do not know if this is kind of mark of beast,
to me, bio-chip can be used in very evil way, if the leadership is evil,
it is totally against man's free will,

persecution is coming, very clearly,
not only bio-chip thing, how about the gay-marriage,
sb-48 (CA) - gay person try to add filthy thing ,
abomination into textbook, there are so many choice we are going to make, which side we choose? life or death.
not only for us also for our children, grandchildren,
it is days of lot and noah , when we read Bible
Genesis 19, the story of Lot and two angels, I
could not imagine, we are in the same situation ,
if we do not repent and pray , what will come,
do we want our children to live in sodom....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNEgcNoQliA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1711-Qzvxk4&feature=relat ed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S2KbXZyLxo&list=PLD398DECA0129FD9B&index=2&feature=plpp_video

HIGH ALERT 2012 Onwards For You & Your Family

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Hey Bearnaster, I think you skip a few details when addressing a complex subject that has more components than you mention. I understand that you would like to have it simplified, as in "I think the mark is more spiritual than literal."

Yes, but. - But, because we know there is more involved, here is the economical aspect of it: Revelation 13:17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Buying and selling, and the regulation of it hints at severe economic sanctions. These sanctions will be global. Now everyone that understands this will also understand that there has to be an administrative component involved to implement that.

I appreciate that you know the difference between conspiracy and reality, and fully agree on this, however I want to enchorage you to not skip parts of the evidence of identification without you will not be able to accurately understand reality.

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Brother I wm purposely trying to keep it simplified because one poster who will remain unnamed gets on my case and accuses me of posting conspiracy and what have you. But I am aware if the complexities of what you are talking about.

But to stick with the scriptures. Much of the discussion has centered around Rev.13:16-17. The discussion of the chip as the possible mark has to be taken in the wider context if Rev.13:11-18. Not just the economic component found in Rev.13:16-17.

For example the antochrist will arise as a counterfeit Jesus found in Rev.13:11. He will be worshipped or cause all to worship the first beast found in Rev.13:12. He will do signs and wonders to decieve the people Rev.13:13-14. He will give breath to make an image talk. Those who do not worship the image are killed. This will be believers in Christ. This is found in Rev.13:15. Then you proceed to the mark in Rev.13:16-17.

The verses preceding the mark verses imply a worship of the beast. Actually two beads. Rev.13:1-10 speak of the beast of the sea and Rev.13:10-18 speak of a beast of the earth. All of this heaken back to the verses at the end if Rev.12 that show Satan making war against the saints of God.

I simply share all the above to say much activity has to take place before the mark is in place. Must notedly the worship of antichrist. Ehich makes me wonder if the mark may not be mire spiritual or religious than economic. My guess would be the mark, whatever it is, symbolizes allegiance to antichrist. Much like those who wore the swastika were devoted to Hitler.

Simply my thoughts.

Bearnaster.

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You know when you look at the totalitarian states they have all one thing in common...they hate God they hate the individual. There based on the pride of Man and Satan. When we left Viet Nam in 75 the North Viet Cong promptly moved in and filled the void where we left and massacred 2.8 million Cambodians. Over the 20th century the Communist has murdered roughly 149 million of his own "comrades". If you read up on Marx he was a Christian in his early years and them turned his back on God and literally became a Satanist. Our form of Government a Republic recognized God Given rights that the state could not take them away because they were from God. God said if you obey me you will prosper which we did for a time. Since we got away from God in the US our founders said if you do that even the best Constitution will be ineffective and slavery must ensue. That was the penalty for not being diligent. Not praying for our leaders and not seeking God as we should of. Going to sleep. And the due penalty is a totalitarian state. All the heathen Godless societies of the world for the most part are under a Dictatorship or some oppressive government socialism or communism or a dictatorship. B Franklin told a bystander what type of Government they come up with and he said a Republic if you can keep it. Adams said our Government was only for a Religious people anything less and it would die. If you stay on top whats going on the facts are and not a conspiracy Obama is legislating by executive order and has enabled himself much control if their is an emergency. The Socialists in Congress are on record for saying "never waste a crisis". The facts are there are 60-80 card carrying socialists in congress. The weather underground was infiltrated by the FBI in the late 60s and early 70s and the agent who befriended Bill Ayers and listened to their plans for America and they were talking about interment camps and Ayers said that the people who did not lineup with their philosophy would be killed and he estimated about 25 million would have to be taken out. Obama and Bill Ayers was more then just acquaintances. I say all this because there is a pattern of slow tyranny in America and it has sped up greatly just read the paper. Just reading that health care bill you ask yourself what have we unleashed. The Drones have now been authorized to patrol in US airspace and the presidnet has the new power take out who ever he deems as a terrorist. There now is an Assination czar. There have been figures thrown out where some say 30-50% of congressional staffers are gay. And they write your legislation that your congressman don't read.

But I'm no abandonment preacher. I'm believing for America to regain her calling as a city on a hill. I'm praying for revival because that will be the only thing to save us. We will probably be having revival while there is fighting in the streets. I read some prophet who said that if we force Israel to restrict to 67 borders God will reverse our progress in our race relations back to 1967. And Obama announced to the world that he would like to see Israel back to 67 borders. So since he spoke it and he's the head of this nation your seeing racial tensions and race hatred rising up again. Occupy Wall Street the black panthers the unions this administration coming together to whip up the flames of social unrest. The government is getting ready for race wars this summer. So as a Christian I believe the mark of the beast on your forehead and on your hands carries more weight in the symbolism then just having a chip in you. The forehead represents your mind and your thoughts and your hands represent what you do. So if your thoughts and the things you do do not show you are a true disciple of Christ, a living relationship where you obey him and seek him, you already have the mark. If your not on fire and if you are not in obedience to him you already have the mark. You don't have to wait till they officially put it on you, you already have it by the way you live! Eighty percent of messages for independence during the Revolutionary war was made by The Clergy. They were called the Black Regiment. The motto of The revolutionary was "No King but King Jesus" Israel gave God up as their King and 3000 +years later our Founders said they wanted God Restored Back to them and this new land as their King. Knowing about Americas revival history starting with John Edwards and George Whitfield all our founders grew up under their preaching. The revival fires started cooling in 1760 but the seeds and fires were stirred in our Founders to bring forth a new nation under God. Some lady told me that God told her that America was a Jonah. What that meant to me was Jonah came back from death and hell and was used by God to preach such a earth shattering word that a city of 120 thousand wicked to the core people repented from the top down! From the King down to the animals in the field. Just by his anointed words! So I'm reminding God to not forget what George Whitfield did here and all our founders and the great revivalists that preached in America don't forget God Charles Finney don't throw us away wake us up God! I believe your going to see a turnaround in America, I believe God is going to take his country back. All the major Ivy leage universites were started to preach and honor Jesus Christ. Now they are an exact God hating opposite. I don't believe God is going to stand to lose like that. The thing that was started for good had to be destroyed. I believe God for his own reputation is going to do a great thing in America. As he said not because we deserve It! But he is rousing up a mighty church in America again that is under pressure to get on her knees again.. If you google George Washingtons Vision he was shown the beginning and the end of America. In the vision there were 3 perils to our existance, the first the war of independence, the second the civil war and the third what we are in now in probally starting the erosion in 1948 and blantanty 1962. and the perilous times of 2012+.. Will you survive with your life and your Godly spiritual life intact will be dictated by your relationship with Jesus and his deems about your physical life. So stand up for truth and righteousness in America. And remember your leaders matter. I leave this prayer for you to ponder and those who don't think that church needs to bother with politics in 1932 Hitler was allowed into power, in 1938 he was throwing bible beliving preachers into concentration camps and by 1945 Germany was utterly destroyed to the ground and has suffered shame to this day on what they let happen...no your leaders don't matter/

A PRAYER FOR OUR NATION AND THE PEOPLE

Delivered by
Reverend Samuel Langdon, 1787

"Preserve your government with the utmost attention and solicitude, for it is the remarkable gift of heaven. From year to year be careful in the choice of your representatives and all the higher powers of government.

"Fix your eyes upon men of good understanding and known honesty; men of knowledge, improved by experience; men who fear God and hate covetousness; who love truth and righteousness, and sincerely wish the public welfare.

"Beware of such as are cunning rather than wise; who prefer their own interest to everything; whose judgment is partial or fickle, and whom you would not willingly trust with your own private interests.

"When meetings are called for the choice of your rulers, do not carelessly neglect them or give your votes with indifference ... but act with serious deliberation and judgment, as in a most important matter, and let the faithful of the land serve you.

"Let not men openly irreligious and immoral become your legislators; for how can you expect good laws to be made by men who have no fear of God ... and who boldly trample on the authority of his commands?... If the legislative body is corrupt, you will soon have bad men for counselors, corrupt judges, unqualified justices, and officers in every department who will dishonor their stations...."

"Therefore be always on your guard against parties and the methods [of] unworthy men, and let distinguished merit always determine your vote. And when all places in government are filled with the best men you can find, behave yourselves as good subjects; obey the laws, [be] cheerfully subject to such taxation as the necessities of the public call for. Give tribute to whom tribute is due, custom to whom custom, fear to whom fear, and honor to whom honor [is due] as the gospel commands you.

"Never give countenance to turbulent men, who wish to distinguish themselves and rise to power by forming combinations and exciting insurrections against government. For this can never be the right way to redress real grievances...."

"I call upon you also to support schools in all your towns, that the rising generation may not grow up in ignorance.... It is a debt you owe to your children and that God to whom they belong...."

"I call upon you to preserve the knowledge of God in the land and attend to the revelation written to us from heaven.

"If you neglect or renounce that religion taught and commanded in holy scriptures, think no more of freedom, peace, and happiness...."

"May the general government of these United States , when established appear to be the best which the nations have yet known, and be exalted by uncorrupted religion and morals! And may the everlasting gospel diffuse its Heavenly light and spread Righteousness, Liberty , and Peace through the whole world."


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Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.

The mark in the right hand and forehead implies the prostration of bodily and intellectual powers to the beast’s domination. In the forehead by way of profession and worship; in the hand with respect to work and service.

Now contrast God’s seal and name in the foreheads of His servants;

Deut 6:4-8 Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one LORD:
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
And these words which I command thee this day, shall be in thy heart:
And thou shalt teach them diligently to thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thy house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thy hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thy eyes.

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men who have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and lo, a lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him a hundred and forty four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

All are marked by the one or the other.

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth firm, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 2 Timothy 2:19

To whom do you belong? Whose slave are you?

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants in obedience, his servants ye are whom ye obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devill: whoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

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I wish I could find the source of the info I am about to share. It is one of those things you read and then go on and ponder but never research it. Of course, if it was before the internet era, it would have involved a lot of work, and this is what happened in my case. Some of the info I recall because I lived through it...

I have been told communists tried to take over the USA back in the 30s when there was a massive drive to unionize workers in industry. As I recall this was still very active when I was a young girl back in the 50s and 60s.

The cold war was on, giving rise to fear of a nuclear attack on USA soil by the Russians. People were urged to stockpile food and other necessities in their bomb shelters they were urged to buy.

The Vietnam war came along in the 60s and they became more aggressive in their pursuit of taking the country over. They exploited doubt about the legitimacy of the war, exploited racial tensions to create hostility and war. And war they had that ended with a famous civil rights leader getting killed, Martin Luther King,Jr. (Anybody remember the riots, the burnings, the boycotts, the marches, the demonstrations back then? I do...)

With the fall of the Berlin Wall and freedom of a sort coming to the USSR under Michael Gorbachev communism seemed to have lost its aggressive stance. As I recall that era I felt relief that perhaps communism will become a bad memory. What happened is that when the Kremlin lost control of their satellite countries, turmoil took to the streets. And communism went underground - they changed their methods, resorted to devious methods of infiltration in modern society.

Knowing all this, one can only wonder why God did not allow them to succeed in their goals of global domination back then.

But, in the mercy and grace of God they did not succeed. And now?

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MICROCHIP IMPLANTS, MINDCONTROL AND CYBERNETICS

By Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, MD Former Chief Medical Officer of Finland


In 1948 Norbert Weiner published a book, CYBERNETICS, defined as a neurological communication and control theory already in use in small circles at that time. Yoneji Masuda, "Father of Information Society," stated his concern in 1980 that our liberty is threatened Orwellian-style by cybernetic technology totally unknown to most people. This technology links the brains of people via implanted microchips to satellites controlled by ground-based super-computers.

The first brain implants were surgically inserted in 1874 in the state of Ohio, U.S.A., and also in Stockholm, Sweden. Brain electrodes were inserted into the skulls of babies in 1946 without the knowledge of their parents. In the 50's and 60's, electrical implants were inserted into the brains of animals and humans, especially in the U.S., during research into behavior modification, and brain and body functioning. Mind control (MC) methods were used in attempt to change human behavior and attitudes. Influencing brain functions became an important goal of military and intelligence services.

Thirty years ago brain implants showed up in xrays the size of one centimeter. Subsequent implants shrunk to the size of a grain of rice. They were made of silicon, later still of gallium arsenide. Today they are small enough to be inserted into the neck or back, and also intraven-ously in different parts of the body during surgical operations, with or without the consent of the subject. It is now almost impossible to detect or remove them.

It is technically possible for every newborn to be injected with a micro-chip, which could then function to identify the person for the rest of his or her life. Such plans are secretly being discussed in the U.S. without any public airing of the privacy issues involved. In Sweden, Prime Minister Olof Palme gave permission in 1973 to implant prisoners, and Data Inspection's ex-Director General Jan Freese revealed that nursing-home patients were implanted in the mid- 1980's. The technology is revealed in the 1972:47 Swedish state report, STATENS OFFICIELLA UTRADNINGER (SOU).

Implanted human beings can be followed anywhere. Their brain functions can then be remotely monitored by supercomputers and even altered through the changing of frequencies. Guinea-pigs in secret experiments have in-cluded prisoners, soldiers, mental patients, handicapped children, deaf and blind people, homosexuals, single women, the elderly, school children and any group of people considered "marginal" by the elite experimenters. The published experiences of prisoners in Utah State Prison, for example, are shocking to the conscience.

Today's microchips operate by means of low-frequency radio waves that target them. With the help of satellites, the implanted person can be tracked anywhere on the globe. Such a technique was among a number tested in the Iraq war, according to Dr. Carl Sanders, who invented the intell-igence-manned interface (IMI) biotic, which is injected into people. (Earlier during the Vietnam War, soldiers were injected with the Rambo chip, designed to increase adrenaline flow into the bloodstream.) The U.S. National Security Agency's (NSA) 20 billion bits/second supercomputers could now "see and hear" what soldiers experience in the battlefield with a remote monitoring system (RMS).

When a 5-micromillimeter microchip (the diameter of a strand of hair is 50 micromillometers) is placed into optical nerve of the eye, it draws neuroimpulses from the brain that embody the experiences, smells, sights and voice of the implanted person. Once transferred and stored in a computer, these neuroimpulses can be projected back to the person's brain via the microchip to be re-experienced. Using a RMS, a land-based computer operator can send electromagnetic messages (encoded as signals) to the nervous system, affecting the target's performance. With RMS, healthy persons can be induced to see hallucinations and to hear voices in their heads.

Every thought, reaction, hearing and visual observation causes a certain neurological potential, spikes, and patterns in the brain and its elect- romagnetic fields, which can now be decoded into thoughts, pictures and voices. Electromagnetic stimulation can therefore change a person's brainwaves and affect muscular activity, causing painful muscular cramps experienced as torture.

The NSA's electronic surveillance system can simultaneously follow and handle millions of people. Each of us has a unique bioelectrical reson- ance frequency in the brain, just like we have unique fingerprints. With electro-magnetic frequency (EMF) brain stimulation fully coded, pulsating electromagnetic signals can be sent to the brain, causing the desired voice and visual effects to be experienced by the target. This is a form of electronic warfare. U.S. astronauts were implanted before they were sent into space so their thoughts could be followed and all their emotions could be registered 24 hours a day.

The Washington Post reported in in May 1995 that Prince William of Great Britain was implanted at the age of 12. Thus, if he were ever kidnapped, a radiowave with a specific frequency could be targeted to his microchip. The chips signal would be routed through a satellite to the computer screen of police headquarters, where the Princes movements could be followed. He could actually be located anywhere on the globe.

The mass media have not reported that an implanted person's privacy van- ishes for the rest of his or her life. S/he can be manipulated in many ways. Using different frequencies, the secret controller of this equip- ment can even change a person's emotional life. S/he can be made aggress- ive or lethargic. Sexuality can be artificially influenced. Thought sig-nals and subconscious thinking can be read, dreams affected and even induced, all without the knowledge or consent of the implanted person.

A perfect cyber-soldier can thus be created. This secret technology has been used by military forces in certain NATO countries since the 1980's without civilian and academic populations having heard anything about it. Thus, little information about such invasive mind-control systems is available in professional and academic journals.

The NSA's Signals Intelligence can remotely monitor information from human brains by decoding the evoked potentials (3.50HZ, 5 milliwatt) emitted by the brain. Prisoner experimentees in both Gothenburg, Sweden and Vienna, Austria have been found to have [missing word] brain lesions. Diminished blood circulation and lack of oxygen in the right temporal frontal lobes result where brain implants are usually operative. A Finnish experimentee experienced brain atrophy and intermittent attacks of unconsciousness due to lack of oxygen.

Mind control techniques can be used for political purposes. The goal of mind controllers today is to induce the targeted persons or groups to act against his or her own convictions and best interests. Zombified individ-uals can even be programmed to murder and remember nothing of their crime afterward. Alarming examples of this phenomenon can be found in the U.S.

This silent war is being conducted against unknowing civilians and sold-iers by military and intelligence agencies. Since 1980 electronic stim- ulation of the brain (ESB) has been secretly used to control people tar-geted without their knowledge or consent. All international human rights agreements forbid nonconsensual manipulation of human beings even in pri-sons, not to speak of civilian populations. Under an initiative of U.S. Senator John Glenn, discussions commenced in January 1997 about the dan-gers of radiating civilian populations. Targeting peoples brain functions with electromagnetic fields and beams (from helicopters and airplanes, satellites, from parked white vans, neighboring houses, telephone poles, electrical appliances, mobil phones, TV, radio, etc.), is part of the radiation problem that should be addressed in democratically elected government bodies.

In addition to electronic MC, chemical methods have also been developed. Mind-altering drugs and different smelling gasses affecting brain function negatively can be injected into air ducts or water pipes. Also, bacteria and viruses have been tested this way in several countries.

Today's supertechnology, connecting our brain functions via microchips (or even without them, according to the latest technology) to computers via satellites in the U.S. or Israel, poses the gravest threat to human-ity. The latest supercomputers are powerful enough to monitor the whole worlds population. What will happen when people are tempted by false premises to allow microchips into their bodies? One lure will be a micro-chip identity card. Compulsory legislation has even been secretly pro-posed in the U.S. to criminalize removal of an ID implant.

Are we ready for the robotization of mankind and the total elimination of privacy, including freedom of thought? How many of us would want to cede our entire life, including our most secret thoughts, to Big Brother? Yet the technology exists to create a totalitarian "New World Order." Covert neurological communication systems are in place to counteract independent thinking and to control social and political activity on behalf of self-serving private and military interests.

When our brain functions are already is connected to supercomputers by means of radio implants and microchips, it will be too late for protest. This threat can be defeated only by educating the public, using available literature on biotelemetry and information exchanged at international congresses.

One reason this technology has remained a state secret is the widespread prestige of the psychiatric DIAGNOSTIC STATISTICAL MANUAL IV produced by the U.S. American Psychiatric Association (APA), and printed in 18 lan-guages. Psychiatrists working for U.S. intelligence agencies no doubt participated in writing and revising this manual. This psychiatric "bible" covers up the secret development of MC technologies by labelling some of their effects as symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia.

Victims of mind control experimentation are thus routinely diagnosed, knee-jerk fashion, as mentally ill by doctors who learned the DSM symptom list in medical school. Physicians have not been schooled that patients may be telling the truth when they report being targeted against their will or being used as guinea pigs for electronic, chemical and bacteriological forms of psychological warfare.

Time is running out for changing the direction of military medicine, and ensuring the future of human freedom. -- Rauni Kilde, MD December 6, 2000
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Defend you freedom of maind, defend you faiht!

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Bari Soetoro had a bad car accident in Hawaii with head wound. He told police he did not have drivers license on him, that it was in New York. He was to mail a copy and pay the $25 fine, but they never heard from him.

About 2 weeks before he was to run for president, that old record was marked deceased", but coded as "not verified"

Therefore it struck me deep in my heart that he was the first head of the beast who died from a head wound, and yet lived. and everyone was amazed.

At this time, Obama, changed his identity to Barak Obama, so Bari head a headwound and died, yet he lived! The second head of the beast is one who gives power to the first beast, maybe George Soros, who paid a lot of money to help him into office, and wants one world government and is over 50% owner of voting machine company, in Spain, that will count the votes....Please send requests to whoever you can think of to have paper ballots in triplicate that are numbered. we could have 2 boxes that would have to match and 1 copy for voter...Very importante! PLEASE

He is probably Malcomb X's Ilegitimate kid sent to live with Malcom X's friend. Lookup pictures of Malcom X and Obama. Read Martha Trowbridges' story. His birth record is in British Archives...I believe he is the Antichrist, and Jesus said his name is: I don't remember exactly, but lightening coming down, but the words that mean Barach Obama are what Jesus said. And yes he would chip us. That's the only reason he made a health bill, was to trick us and write about it anbiguously, and distract us, and make it so long the Democrats that passed it have not read it...Nancy Pelosi said "you will have to pass it to find out what's in it, and wait for the smoke to clear, of the controversy". She knew, and wouldent tell us. She should go to jail for that.

I hope I made this all clear. I wouldn't write it if I didn't believe it..........Bless you All.P>S> I pray this is good!

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The RFID chips are microwaves 3.5, the same as 3rd plane earth, where we are. We will be acsending to 5th plane, with a much higher vibration. The 3.5 microwaves will keep our vibration too low to acsend to the 5th level

I was listening to a meditation excersise that was maybe at 10. The increased light and heat is to increase our vibration level, to help with our evolutionary acsention process, and the chip will prevent it. Stock up on food. Don't take the chip!

The Gov. is rushing all of this to chip us and keep our souls from advancing. If they succeed, we will be here for thousands of years in incarnations! Time is running out as the vibrations are already increasing.

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It is not necessary trying to identify who the anti-christ will be. As Christians, we should focus on this our heavenly race and avoid entangling ourselves with distractions. Ofcourse, with a spiritual eye, one should know that most things in our present day are paving way in full force for the manifestation of the anti-christ. These we see in the media and entertainment industry, banking and businesses, global politics and govt. Also coupled with mindless greed and selfishness brought about by everyday competition we face amongst ourselves in every aspect of life. So it is clear that this will eventually metamorphosize to all that has been written in the book of revelations . But instead of heralding it as the eventual manifestation of the anti-christ, I choose to say that they all pave way for the second coming of our Great King and Lord, Jesus Christ who has triumphed over all evil and is coming again to judge the living and the dead.
So no need to know whoever the anti-christ will be. Indeed most acceptable lifestyles in our days are already anti-christ, so no need looking farther for his (anti-christ) influence is already eating up our present world.
We need to continue to pray for others (no matter the religion, race, life philosophies & orientation etc) that we might be able to snatch many from hell for we may not have that much time.

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Your post makes mire sense than some of the stuff I have seen thus far in this thread.
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http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i108333

The Illuminati Admit to Writing Major Portions of ObamaCare

ST. MORITZ, SWITZERLAND - In a festival-like gathering, Secret Societies held a conference celebrating the US Supreme Court ruling which effectively terminated use of the judicial system to limit unchecked powers of unelected bureaucrats appointed by the President and held accountable to no one. Establishing ObamaCare as "law" of the land has been hailed for finally dividing America into an Elite Ruling Class with minions, and class of peasants that can never rise to any position of significant political power.

For members of the Trilateral Commission, Illuminati, and the Bilderberg group, their subversion of American governance is known as "The US Constitution Nullification Charter of 2009." More than one speaker at the convention expressed initial concern that the existence of the Shadow-Rulers of North America would be compromised by having members of Congress change the law though blind voting on never-seen, convoluted, cryptic edicts generated by lawyers of unknown masters.

Gauchissant Eclair, Bilderberg Minion: When our esteemed and morally corrupt colleague Mr. George Soros said that he had bought the American government, and owned the Washington DC "empty-suit monkey-puppets", we thought it was a bold purchase, but one where the American politicians' astounding incompetence and exhibitionist corruption would waste several trillion dollars without providing real and reasonably cost effective advances toward Supreme Global Domination. There was another problem concerning the Soros plan - it required a magnitude of stupidity in American voters which had been previously unimaginable.

The US Elections of 2008 were vindication for the Secret Society members who believed in a "US Department of Education", created by Jimmy Carter, which could reduce human intelligence by as much as 70 IQ points. A study by the World Economic Forum in 2009 placed the US behind 47 other nations on its quality of math and science education. Effective institutionalized mental retardation has not come easy, as the cost for schools to purge common sense from American society is nearly $800 Billion per year.

While ObamaCare is held up as a crowning achievement for the New World Order, the minions and overlords meeting in Switzerland got a chance to laugh about some "Epic Cluster-F*cks" that have come from the Obama Administration and its 2008 campaign. Some examples were Anita Dunn saying that Mao Tse-Tung was a favorite "political philosopher" (while under the influence of chemical-based mind-control), and candidate Obama's claim to visit the "57 states" of America. One of the most beloved leaders in human experimentation and biological applications of alien technology revealed a couple of his favorite anecdotes.

Doctor Milz, Illuminati "Physician": Mr. Barack Obama is currently influenced by four separate Mind-Control technologies. At times they conflict with one another, and produce amusing material for YouTube videos. Sometimes he would bow down to people just because they were not Americans. In April, he could not remember attending Harvard Law School and forgot that the ONLY thing the US Supreme Court does is strike down laws which Congress has passed. He used the word "unprecedented" as if he lived in an alternate universe where there was never a landmark case "Marbury v. Madison" struck down by the US Supreme Court in 1803. The first mind-control device was implanted in 1995 at the home of Bill Ayers in a "Meet the Candidate" fundraiser, naturally he cannot remember the procedure and claims no "real" affiliation to Ayers (who bombed government buildings in the 1970s).

At one point, attendees were thrown into uncontrollable laughter by a George Soros one-liner. The master of ceremonies was explaining how ObamaCare was crafted without a single word coming from an American citizen. Mr. Soros yelled from the middle of the room "What about me - I had a hand in ObamaCare!" When laughter began to subside, the speaker smiled and continued, "like I said not a single word came from an American citizen."

Over all, the Trilateral Commission sponsored celebration of ObamaCare's entrenchment in the Washington DC power structure will certainly be regarded as the Mt. Everest of Conspiracy Theory entertainment for decades to come.
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Saturday, June 30, 2012The Obamacare Rabbit Hole


Obamacare is a scam – a delusion to convince the American people to let themselves be suckered into fascist socialist healthcare plan that will increase the profits of the medical conglomerates to new heights.


A great part of the plan consists of ‘end of life’ planning and restrictions on just how much healthcare Americans will have access to – which isn’t going to be much.


But one thing it will do – it will make Americans part of an added surveillance system.


How?


It will require that every American acquire the new smart card national ID congress approved in 2008 – as a health insurance card, of course.


This new Obamacare card will contain very private information like your address, social security number, a description of your appearance, an iris scan, and DNA information, all inside a smart chip card which will also act as a tracker and transmitter.


Like social security, the Obamacare card WILL be eventually used as a national ID.


Obamacare also represents a complete takeover of medicine by a fascist public-private government consortium with absolute authority over how much doctors will earn and even how much capital (clinical space and equipment) they can own.


In other words, the American people will be asked to pay through the nose for an obligatory private health insurance plan (unsurprisingly, there are no restrictions on how much health care plans can charge).


So Americans will be forced to invest in private health insurance plans for which they will pay half while the other half is paid with their own tax dollars.


Obamacare is a win-win for the medical industry, which wrote the plan in the first place.


It is a forceful fascist law with the sole purpose of making money for corporate medical conglomerates through the use of government coercion.


Which is a shocking statement on the present day corporate America – the entire shebang has gone completely fascist!


American corporations see nothing wrong in using government to FORCE the American public into earning them a profit.


This is criminal power-based fascist behavior, and it is an indicator of just how far American corporations have degenerated.


The end result of Obamacare will be a socialist, European-style health care system under corporate control which will milk, dictate, force, coerce and guide the American public into the health care they are allowed to have instead of the health care they really need.


Because it will be profit-based, it will function in the interests of profit…not health.


The American public will be spoon fed a bare minimum of health care while paying for it through the nose.


Those costing the health care system too much money will be allowed to die or perhaps even be killed (euthanasia).


In its final form, Obamacare will amount to a coercive system under which people will be registered, tracked, numbered, judged, graded, restricted, and forced into all types of invasive procedures like vaccination, DNA registration, iris registration over which they will have no choice.


The likely punishment for refusing to participate in the Obamacare system will most likely start with exclusion from medical attention and eventually increase to suspension of civil rights (driving license, welfare, etc) or imprisonment.


In a very short time, Obamacare will become as obligatory as Social Security, but with a lot more demands and requirements.


The final result of Obamacare will be a hellish coercive socialist medical dystopia, where Americans no longer have any rights over their own bodies and medicine itself is in the hands of an arbitrary fascist authority.

http://endofwesternciv.blogspot.com/2012/06/obamacare-rabbit-hole.html

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We are simply told that the world is under the "sway of the wicked one" and therefore we do not delve into his wickedness but rather look after righteousness and godliness and Christ and His kingdom.

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