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Miami cannibal (Warning-not for weak at heart)

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The Miami cannibal Rudy Eugene just days before the attack was studying a Bible and learning how he could be more holy. Two days later he was shot while naked and eating the face of another man. ( more info at link and much more if you google the thread topic)

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/31/miami-cannibal-attacker-rudy-eugene-was-holding-a-bible-and-meeting-a-friend-the-last-time-his-girlfriend-saw-him

Apparent cause is linked to a new hallucinogenic drug, bath salts.

For those of you planning to tough it out during the tribulation period, bear in mind that these drugs, along with many other unfathomable mind altering tools will be at the disposal of the Antichrist to be used in food, water or whatever. As it progresses, he will not just be discussing things over a nice cup of tea.

Being killed immediately will be one thing, but he is not interested in killing your body to send you to heaven, but in laying claim to your soul. For this he will use all means at his disposal. Precedent: Drugs have been used in past by many antichrists to aid in the destruction of souls.

OJ


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Brother,

It just seems this man was addicted to drugs and not a possible christian:

"The girlfriend, who did not want to give her name, told the newspaper Eugene smoked marijuana often but did not use harder drugs. The attack has since been linked to “bath salts” — the street name for a powerful synthesized drug that has been likened to a potent mix of cocaine and speed."

When drugs are taken "willingly" there is a potential of opening yourself up to demon possession or oppression heavily.

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This National Post story is Not giving the true picture of this man At All.


And you're using this slanted version of what this man was truly like that's been in other News Stories since day one, as a case against Post-trib believers - period.

If you go to thetreeofliberty [news] forum, this story Plus the full video of this atrocity is posted there since the day it happened - if you need 'gore' to force your own views. There's at least two threads on this on there and this is what I meant when I posted to Greg in his News thread this week, that there are crimes that are even shocking Police. There's another account on that same News forum about another case of cannibalism since you like "shock and awe" - but using it HERE and for your own reasons - because you're pre-trib and attack anyone that doesn't agree with you on 'any' belief of yours - you resort to these extremes.


This man that did this crime and was killed by the police WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN by ANY MEANS. He was POSSESSED if you'd have researched far enough and your comparison falls flat - as Richard Wurmbrand was DRUGGED plus exposed to things beyond words in torture
and we could speak of the multiple thousands of Martyrs through-out history that GOD HIMSELF BRINGS THROUGH VICTORIOUSLY.


HE CALLS HIS LAST DAYS SAINTS THE OVERCOMERS and HE GETS THEM THROUGH!


I don't and am not yelling - but your perception of GOD & the Overcomers is being clouded once again by your hatred toward any that don't agree with you.

I find your reasoning and motive for posting this HERE as 'sick' and an even lower low for you, for a lack of a better word.

The LORD Has a Bride and HE's known before the foundation of the world "those that are HIS" and no power formed against 'them' shall "rob their souls" - as He also knows HOW they will individually die and never puts more on us than we can bear - and that's The Bible - not your version though.

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When drugs are taken "willingly" there is a potential of opening yourself up to demon possession or oppression heavily.

Interestingly enough Greg I witnessed the results when an "old friend" gave my mother a drink that we had later learned was spiked with LSD. It certainly wasn't taken "willingly" and without going into details, after destroying the house, she wasn't terribly far from doing what this man did. The dark side is exposed with drugs whether taken willingly or unwillingly.

NONE of us are invulnerable. Drugs were used in several of the persecutions past and will be used in future, yet the Christian has been and will be preserved in spite of hallucinogens or come what may. The Lord preserves them that are His unto Himself, in spite of these things.

2 Timothy 4:18   And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen

That is the beauty and security of a salvation that cannot be lost.


OJ

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I find your reasoning and motive for posting this HERE as 'sick' and an even lower low for you, for a lack of a better word.

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, must be time for your nap now. :-)

OJ

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Hi! Jesus-Is-God

If you don't mind me saying .... Ummmm, when I read your comments here I was kinna' saddened.
I wasn't saddened by the content as much by the attitude.
Yuh see, Jesus-Is-God ... I too find myself struggling with some of the views expressed in this Forum; sometimes I can even become annoyed. But I'm also certain that there are some participating in here who could easily say and feel the same way about some of my own comments.
So, in a word: things sortta' even themselves out in here. :)

I too am the WebMaster of a Christian Site similar to SermonIndex. It also has interactive components like this Discussion Forum and also LiveChat and something similar to Facebook. Unfortunately, because of comments like yours occasionally flooding our otherwise enjoyable and tolerant Site, we were forced to moderate even basic participation with the interactive side of the WebSite.

Everyone participating here is an honored guest and we should try and be mannerly and courteous. It is not too difficult a thing to remain both courteous and mannerly without compromising your integrity or beliefs.
Yes, we can even be forceful and compelling when expressing our views and yet still remain polite and tolerant to one another.

Now, Jesus-Is-Lord, don't get me wrong. I have great sympathy for your disposition. It took me years to learn "when to hold 'em and know when to show 'em" sortta' thing. I can't count the amount of times that I've nearly completely went off the 'deep end' with perceived offence.
So, I'm not exactly disowning you because of your evident inability to quiet yourself down a bit at the Guest Table here.
But if the truth be known, Jesus is seated here among us at this Guest Table and we should want to be on our best behavior.

Ummmm, I've often been given opportunity to speak (teach) at large conferences and churches over the past years. Sometimes I jus' know that what I'm about to bring to the minds and hearts seated before me is something that a lot may not agree with. And, yes, there have been times when people will approach me afterwards who are hardly able to contain the steam of offence rising from under their collars and sleeves. It usually isn't what they said that often surprised me; it was how they said it. It revealed so very much about their inner being.

ComeOn, Jesus-Is-Lord, yuh gotta' chill out a bit.
You are not in the least bit responsible for what the Table Guests might choose to believe or not believe; for their preferences and tastes of the meal being discussed. No, you are instead held responsible for the atmosphere surrounding the Guest Table and for your own appropriate behavior.

Like I said, I'm not coming down on you harshly. It's just that I feel kinna' sorry to see my former self and behavior in you and I sincerely wish that you could somehow get out from under the unnecessary offence and agitation instances.

Smile! Be Happy! The food is great! Maybe not always to your particular taste, but there is more than one course being served and so I'm sure you'll find something to enjoy.

:)

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I don't and am not yelling - but your perception of GOD & the Overcomers is being clouded once again by your hatred toward any that don't agree with you.
I find your reasoning and motive for posting this HERE as 'sick' and an even lower low for you, for a lack of a better word.
The LORD Has a Bride and HE's known before the foundation of the world "those that are HIS" and no power formed against 'them' shall "rob their souls" - as He also knows HOW they will individually die and never puts more on us than we can bear - and that's The Bible - not your version though.
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from Joe: "Being killed immediately will be one thing, but he is not interested in killing your body to send you to heaven, but in laying claim to your soul. For this he will use all means at his disposal. Precedent: Drugs have been used in past by many antichrists to aid in the destruction of souls."

And this is supposed to give the babes in Christ Courage, Blayne?

This is a dangerous post and not what GOD says to His "Saints" in His Word. That drugs will be forced on them and they'll lose their soul.

You're a new guy here, Blayne - so mind you that some of us that have been here a lot longer, may know what they're reading.

I don't care too much about what certain folks feel about me, I only care how the young or the weak in Christ read these posts and what they're left with and not with what you 'think' my motives are based upon your own claimed former behavior.
I'm single-sighted in that way and too old to change my view or burden for the vulnerable now.
It's the young and weak in Christ that I see when I read these threads and that's the only ones that I'm concerned for and praying for in these days that we're going to all have to live through. Us older ones have had our chance to grow in our knowledge and assurance in Christ - they haven't and yet they're born-again into the hardest generation that has ever been and some so newly saved, maybe just within this month - and all you have to say does not show any concern for 'them'.
You're not a webmaster here - so get to know the people here and their burdens and the more 'dangerous' faults first.


Take your own advise as well.
Thanks!

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It appears that the nap didn't help....

Just letting you know what you will be up against JIG.


OJ

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ginnyrose

Annie,

I went to the site you mentioned to find more details about this incident but could not find it. Could you give me more info?

Have a good day!

ginnyrose

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Trekker

I read that news story and i am convinced that man was/is demon possessed. So he read few verses in a Bible, so what? Even the devil knows scripture. Just because he read a Bible for the first time in his life doesnt mean he was saved or a Christian. Plenty of people play church every Sunday and occasionally pick up and read a Bible (so-called "Bible") during church or even their weekly Wednesday night "Bible" studies but they are either backslidden or not saved. I have personally met such "Christians" who attend church every Sunday and weekly "Bible" studies who are living in fornication!

If this man was NOT demon possessed then who the blazes IS?
He was heard growling at the officer who approached him and then he went right on chewing on the poor guy's face!

Then in tonight's news there is also the case of the Kenyan man who is a student here in the states who killed a fellow African student (Ghana) and then ate his heart and brain. He had previously beaten a man with a baseball bat but our wonderfully idiotic "justice" system let him out on bail so that he could do this crime also.

The days are very dark and may God help us all!

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QUOTE: "When drugs are taken "willingly" there is a potential of opening yourself up to demon possession or oppression heavily."==GREG

Amen. That says it in a nutshell. Nuf said.

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ginnyrose

QUOTE: "When drugs are taken "willingly" there is a potential of opening yourself up to demon possession or oppression heavily."==GREG


And if you have sex with a person who is demonically possessed you will be infected as well. And you may carry a bad odor as well.

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Sis Sandra, I saw this on the news site when it happened and I felt very strongly in my spirit to not post it here. There are limits and there are sensitive folks here. And chances of the impressionable as well. Not impressionable to act in the manner as this demon possessed man - but impressionable enough to be subject to fears - most especially as the OP started off with dis-info that the man was possibly Saved and that they too could be given drugs and lose their soul.

Greg's post wasn't there when I hit reply but I do see how Mr. Joe changed his tune after our posts. Suddenly - in his second post - GOD is able to keep Christians but that wasn't the message conveyed in the Opener.

You could google this. I can't, as I've said, post links about this here.


GOD help us all from those amongst us. Those are the ones that you Don't expect things from, that we get from the world that hates us.

GOD Bless!

Ann

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Apparently everyone here is in agreement that studying the Bible and trying to be more holy does not mean that one is a Christian. Note: I did not make an allusion that he was a Christian, just stated some facts. The interesting point in all of this was how far a man could be degraded in just a couple days with chemicals, and that these chemicals will be used in future on professing Christians just as they have been in the past, except now they are new and really improved to do that which the forces of evil want to do.

But now that everyone has brought it up, I would like to hear what it is that makes this man different from any of you?


OJ

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Suddenly - in his second post - GOD is able to keep Christians but that wasn't the message conveyed in the Opener.

The message conveyed in the original is that the Antichrist will have good tools to sort out the pretenders. He will lay claim to the souls that belong to him, no matter how high their profession.

BTW God always keeps Christians JIG, you are the one who preaches that Christians can lose their salvation and therefore have no hope to offer in such a situation. A true Christian is always entirely secure in Christ, come what may.

In the meantime, don't strain a muscle patting yourself on the back...


OJ

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Not sure the nature/intention of your question, but we can start here:
I'm born again of God's Spirit and he obviously was not. Other than that, (& before I was born again from the kingdom of darkness and into the kingdom of His marvelous light) - there wasn't probably a lot of difference. Maybe we listened to different music, had different pet sins, and liked different toppings on our pizza, but we were of the same spiritual Father at the time, the devil. Thank God He adopted me as a son and brought me into the fold!

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Old_Joe BTW God always keeps Christians JIG, you are the one who preaches that Christians can lose their salvation and therefore have no hope to offer in such a situation. A true Christian is always entirely secure in Christ, come what may.

Remember this simple truth — if you did nothing to earn your salvation, you can do nothing to lose it. If someone claims you can lose your salvation it logically means they also believe the following:
Salvation comes by works.
Jesus’ death on the cross was insufficient for salvation.

Those aren’t good ideas, thus the idea you can lose your salvation must be false.

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I'm born again of God's Spirit and he obviously was not.

I am not sure that you can claim that just yet. What we know from the evidence is that he was studying the Bible and wanting to be more holy, but also had a drug problem. Then under the influence of a super drug (we don't know how it got into him yet) he became something other than what he wanted to be. That same drug could cause you to do something similar, and then we would have to write you off as well, without the drug this is a bit easier, but with it things can be much more complicated.


OJ

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Remember this simple truth — if you did nothing to earn your salvation, you can do nothing to lose it.

A hearty amen!

OJ

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QUOTE: " Re:Quote:I'm born again of God's Spirit and he obviously was not.
I am not sure that you can claim that just yet. What we know from the evidence is that he was studying the Bible and wanting to be more holy, but also had a drug problem. Then under the influence of a super drug (we don't know how it got into him yet) he became something other than what he wanted to be. That same drug could cause you to do something similar, and then we would have to write you off as well, without the drug this is a bit easier, but with it things can be much more complicated."==OLD JOE


Old Joe, I love you and support your right to post about this here, and i in NO way support JIG's critical, harsh, and judgmental attack on you (and Blayne), but at the same time i must disagree with your suggestion that that man could even remotely have been a Christian. That was a clear case of demon possession if ever there was one. I am surprised you could even entertain the possibility that he was born again and that any drug, even super-drug, could bring a man to this degree of depravity if he is Holy Ghost filled. Remember the parable of the seed and the sower; some people hear the word and receive it with joy, believing for a time, but then fall away...were they really saved.

The devil knows the scriptures, so apparently he has read them too.


Either way, you are entitled to believe what you will in this particular matter and to not be angrily condemned for it, as it is not heresy to believe a drug could control even a saved man.

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Quoting Joe - "A true Christian is always entirely secure in Christ, come what may."


A "True" Christian - I certainly do agree with this line -

and that is exactly what I was fighting you on - on page 1 - but the reading comprehension by the crew on this thread has also been blinded and one may not have read page 1 at all, but the love-to-hate is contagious, so they joined in as well, blind to what this argument was over.

I still feel that this should not have been posted on SermonIndex.

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David01-72

Hi Brethren,

What happen to this man is probably what scripture from the bible says:

Matthew 12:43-45
King James Version (KJV)
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.


What probably happen is that he was possessed by a demon because of his drug addiction before, then a Christian castes out his demon and was free, then this man went back
to drugs then opened the door to seven more and became more wicked. I truly dont know what really happen but could be a possibility. What do you think brethren?

God Bless
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Brother David - here's more info on this that may answer -

From the ABC and other article -

Rudy Eugene had reportedly been arrested 8 times since the age of 16, before he was shot and killed this weekend, and four of the arrests involved marijuana.

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Eugene had a criminal past and has the notoriety of being the first person ever tasered by the North Miami Police Department after he was arrested for beating and threatening to kill his mother in 2008. Police told ABC affiliate WPLG that they had to taser him three times to subdue him.

"He wasn't cooperative, wouldn't follow orders, very belligerent," said Detective Mike Pons. "He had that thousand-yard stare, staring right into you, not assessing or understanding what the commands were."

According to WPLG, police believed that Eugene may have been mentally ill, but according to the judge who handled the case was never referred to the court's mental illness diversion program."

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The "bath salts" was brought up all but immediately as a guess but the toxology report won't be out for weeks to months yet.

He beat and threaten to kill his mother in 2008 and the article doesn't say what the other 4 arrests were for since he was 16 yrs old and the police that dealt with him in 2008 strongly believed that he was crazy.

These bizarre type of crimes have been on the increase around the world. The U.S. is no exception. Demon possession is inevitable in the morally bankrupt society that we're in now. If because iniquity abounds, the love of most grows cold - what of those that were never saved and have been exposed to every demonic deviate influence that's out there in this last days world? This world is very very sick. The Word says that they'll be without affection - brute beasts - worse than Sodom - as in the days of Lot, etc..

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"Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird."

" For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the passion of her immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed acts of immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich by the wealth of her sensuality.”.

"Below we read of the flesh-eating cannibals released....just like "THE NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD"...zombie movie....but not so. This is reality.

WHY?....AS WE HAVE THROWN OF THE CARE OF GOD AS FATHER, SOMETHING ELSE COMES IN TO FILL THAT VOID; demons and unclean spirits and hateful birds, and this phenomena is growing exponentially.

When Jesus is spat upon and selfishness reigns and the wicked are exalted and the innocent children are slain for the simple reason of convenience.....something is released into our world.

I wish this were science fiction...but it is not.....It is Sunday afternoon in Miami.

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Either way, you are entitled to believe what you will in this particular matter and to not be angrily condemned for it, as it is not heresy to believe a drug could control even a saved man.

Thanks for the reasonable response Trekker. I guess I should double back again on this one. My point is not and was not about whether the can-man is saved or not. Since he offered it up let's change the subject to Jeffmar.

He has testified that he is born of the Spirit of God. However, one day somebody spikes his drink with this stuff and he goes on a rampage and is shot dead because of it. What comes of him?

Extra info:
One report of a narcotics investigator says in his 15 years policing drugs, this is the FIRST drug that he is actually scared of. I would say THAT is saying something.


OJ

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Double post.

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MrBillPro

In any event, we have to be real careful when we read anything secular. I am not saying there is not scripture related to this, but anything you read today in the secular news, will be 10% truth and 90% Drama, and that 10% is really more credit than I want to give. When we read anything other than God's word, it's not always going to be complete truth like the word of God,so let the Spirit lead you. I don't mean were you read 2+2=4, you know were I am coming from... :)

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Miccah

Folks...

If you eat another person's face, you are demon possessed. Fact.

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ginnyrose

Remember this simple truth — if you did nothing to earn your salvation, you can do nothing to lose it.

Ahhmmm...if you do nothing you have nothing, so you have nothing to lose!

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MrBillPro

Ginny, kind of confused here, what exactly did you do to earn yours? I was just saved by the grace of God,and by his blood he shed for me on the cross, I don't see were any of my works figured in on either of the above.

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. “And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. (John 10:27–29 NKJV)

Notice the explicit phrase here, “they shall never perish”. If you could lose your salvation, you would perish, and Jesus would be a liar, thus it must not be possible.

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If you eat another person's face, you are demon possessed. Fact.

Be sure to eat nothing you haven't prepared. How about we go further....

  1 John 2:22   Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

  2 John 1:7   For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist

  1 John 2:23   Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Denying the person of the Eternal Son of God fulfills the above. They can't even blame it on a demon.

Just sayin'...

OJ

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MrBillPro

Joe, turning the corner a little here. If this kind of stuff is going on in the physical world, I don't believe anyone on earth can even imagine the battle/battles that must be going on in the spiritual world.

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Denying the person of the Eternal Son of God fulfills the above. They can't even blame it on a demon.

Just sayin'...


Not sure what this has to do with the subject, but I give you a hearty Amen to that.

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QUOTE: "These bizarre type of crimes have been on the increase around the world. The U.S. is no exception. Demon possession is inevitable in the morally bankrupt society that we're in now. If because iniquity abounds, the love of most grows cold - what of those that were never saved and have been exposed to every demonic deviate influence that's out there in this last days world? This world is very very sick. The Word says that they'll be without affection - brute beasts - worse than Sodom - as in the days of Lot, etc.."==JESUSISGOD


Amen to that!

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Trekker

QUOTE: "He has testified that he is born of the Spirit of God. However, one day somebody spikes his drink with this stuff and he goes on a rampage and is shot dead because of it. What comes of him?

Extra info:
One report of a narcotics investigator says in his 15 years policing drugs, this is the FIRST drug that he is actually scared of. I would say THAT is saying something."==OLDJOE


Well, first of all, using your hypothetical example with JEFFMAR, if he (as in ANY man) is truly saved he is not going to BE in a bar or even drinking to begin with. But let's say he is drinkin lemonade at a picnic....either the Holy Ghost would warn him of the danger of the drink somehow intervene at some point in some way i would think. There IS that verse in the NT which says that those who believe shall take up serpents and not be harmed, and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not harm them, etc. But maybe that verse only applies to those who are in an active ministry, i don't know. But i have yet to see a Holy Ghost filled Christian influenced by any hallucinogenic drug in the manner or degree you describe.

We have had cases of bath salts being sold and consequently confiscated and banned here in my community. People here DO buy them to snort or do whatever they do with them, but none of them have yet eaten anyone's face or gone totally psycho. The salts are known to be dangerous to one's health and anyone who knowingly takes them despite that knowledge is going to be getting just what they asked for. People can go just as crazy on meth and speedballs or a mixture of stuff. Don't forget Charles Manson and "family" and all that he/they did. Clearly another case of longtime demonic possession. That is what you open yourself up to when you deliberately use mind altering substances (which is a form of witchcraft/augery/sorcery).

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QUOTE: "In any event, we have to be real careful when we read anything secular. I am not saying there is not scripture related to this, but anything you read today in the secular news, will be 10% truth and 90% Drama, and that 10% is really more credit than I want to give."==MRBILLPRO


Amen. The news services sensationalize a great deal in order to compete with each other. Whenever there is an earthquake or other event involving numbers they can't even get their facts straight and they contradict each other on the numbers and they contradict their own selves. It's all about the money honey.

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But i have yet to see a Holy Ghost filled Christian influenced by any hallucinogenic drug in the manner or degree you describe.

Without going into details, there are reports of Christians right now in Pakistan being drugged to cause them to do things they would not normally do. It is happening right now, but does not hit its culmination until during the Tribulation period.

It could be through lemonade, drinking water, food or forcible injection, in any case it need not be the intent of the Christian to partake in such things for them to be exposed to EXTREME mind control drugs/tactics.

More news revealed about the young man is starting to make this all the more interesting. Apparently, he is said to have never gone anywhere without his Bible, making him just a bit more zealous than the average pew warmer.


OJ

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He may have had scripture tattooed on his back, but that doesn't make him born again. When I was lost, I did every drug known to man (special K, GHB, Acid, Ecstacy, cocaine, meth, heroine, pcp, rohyphnols, zantax, Valium, mushrooms, mescaline, northern lights hydro, etc., etc.). I mixed 3-4 drugs together often and OD'ed multiple times. This was/is a man possessed by a demon, not just influenced by a drug. You sound like someone with limited knowledge personally of what drugs do to you. Stop acting like real believers filled with God's Spirit could "accidentally" end up being drugged and being demon-possessed! It's affront to God's saving power over his own. You may not mean it that way, but it comes across that way to me.

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wrumbrand is an example of some who was druged all the time but it did nothing to his faith he was tourcherd regulary,,but endured to the end ,,gods grace extendes to these sutuations ,,,and thay shal drink poision and not be harmed

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Amen. The news services sensationalize a great deal in order to compete with each other. …. It's all about the money honey.

Yes, the spin is obvious in the title - in the word, cannibal”. The aim is not to inform the public appropriately, but to raid their pocket books. Juicy sounding titles will grab their attention every time. It works! It’s a lure – a sensuous seduction which the public is drawn to – just like flies are drawn to sticky paper. Those enraptured by such sensuous titles as this one are not any different than those enraptured by the sensuous woman spoken about in Proverbs.

There’s another kind of sensuous stimulation that the public craves (and has for eons): The scapegoat – someone to tar-and-feather in the public forum. Then everyone can talk about this person – how bad they are. Why is this habit so enticing? Because it masks people from their own sense of guilt and responsibility, and instead it gives them a sense of self-righteousness: Thank God I’m not like him! I’m better. I would never be so evil. That would never happen to me.

Unfortunately news material like this heightens societal fear and anxiety. How many readers are truly strong enough to read it objectively and critically? How many are too weak to resist becoming even more depressed, fearful, and hopeless? I’d say: this is an issue of moral irresponsibility on the part of the media.

More news revealed about the young man is starting to make this all the more interesting. Apparently, he is said to have never gone anywhere without his Bible, making him just a bit more zealous than the average pew warmer.

That’s right it does make it more interesting! The public loves to hear how pitiful and screwed up the religious zealots are. If you can put religion into your news article you have even a better story.


It is tempting to add our own spin here – include the devil in the story, talk about the world coming to an end. But those might merely be our own default means of avoiding our sense of moral and spiritual responsibility - as ambassadors of Christ’s redemptive hope. Also it can distract us from seeing the tragic effects of sinsickness all around us – the devastating effects of a society deprived of God – the stuff that never makes the news because it is so common and uninteresting. Think about the countless suicide attempts every day, or self injury, depression …. or the hypocrisy and falseness we practice in order to avoid facing our own emptiness and destructive habits. We are in this together, brothers and sisters - blind, naked, pitiful and poor. And indeed, if the best that God’s people can do in the face of our societal sin sickness is make effigies out of the more sensational sinners, we are indeed pitiful and poor. This is not prophetic Christianity lived out in our daily lives!

The post title here cautions that the “weak at heart” should avoid reading the article. That’s a good idea. Yet we ask: Is it not actually the weak at heart who are most vulnerable to such sensationalism? Surely one must be strong in heart to avoid drifting into the constant barrage of sensational and enticing media.

On the other hand, maybe those who see themselves as strong enough to handle this material, are actually so hardened that they are no longer shocked and disturbed. They are actually dulled. They can no longer weep and grieve for the lostness of society . They are instead entertained by it – even as they see themselves as quite fine.

There are many facts that the media will never tell us: The silent cries of the hearts of people around us…. and also the remarkable works of God through his faithful saints – those through whom God works, – quietly in our society.

May God preserve our vision – and empower us to live faithfully in the new covenant promises:

“Set up road signs;
put up guideposts.
Take note of the highway,
the road that you take. ….
Return O Virgin Israel,
Return to your towns.
How long will you wander,
O unfaithful daughter
The Lord will create a new thing on earth. (…)
“I will refresh the weary and satisfy the faint”
from Jeremiah 31

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Stop acting like real believers filled with God's Spirit could "accidentally" end up being drugged and being demon-possessed!.

I have never alluded to that once.

The point is that with his studying his Bible and desire for holiness (who knows what other professions he had) this man could pass for nearly anyone who posts here at SI. But it doesn't mean that he was a real believer who became demon possessed. All that it means is that he appeared to have had a pretty high profession without legal possession (pun intended) of faith.


OJ

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I have never alluded to that once.

Opening post. Is this not "alluding" to...

For those of you planning to tough it out during the tribulation period, bear in mind that these drugs, along with many other unfathomable mind altering tools will be at the disposal of the Antichrist to be used in food, water or whatever. As it progresses, he will not just be discussing things over a nice cup of tea.

Being killed immediately will be one thing, but he is not interested in killing your body to send you to heaven, but in laying claim to your soul. For this he will use all means at his disposal. Precedent: Drugs have been used in past by many antichrists to aid in the destruction of souls.

OJ

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The reason Ginnyrose couldn't find the story on the site I gave is because, although that site is approx 50% unsaved and 50% Christians - the shock was there but the two stories have been off the main News Index page for some time now. One on pg 3 and the initial story on pg 4 of the main News Index pages. What a testimony of the quality or sensitivities of even the unsaved - in that they are not keeping that story up there for any unsavory reasons.

I have always been hyper-sensitive to other's pain since a kid and I wish this thread would disappear, end - or as I had asked, be locked is because since the day this story broke - I've been very troubled for the victim in almost a haunting way.

I and others don't need to see this thread whenever we come to the Homepage, so that we can't escape the mental images that we were non-intentionally exposed to.
I've been praying all but non-stop for Mr Poppo's soul and life. Can we leave at that and end this now - please!

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Opening post. Is this not "alluding" to...

Nope. Those who believe now, will not be here, period! However during the Tribulation many more will be saved and have to deal with the attendant difficulties of the time. Those who have the Son will be preserved unto God but those who deny the Son will not have the Son to protect them.


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Since this is still up here - Joe, you need to get more courage then - sincerely - as I've read the posts of those that are pre-trib and they have posted here that they Do in fact believe that we may very well see persecution in this country as well - before the rapture and they are ready.
They've read Martyrs Mirror, Richard Wurmbrand, Foxes book of Martyrs and on and on and they're are ready and don't feel they "will not be here" to see the persecution that has gone on and are aware that it is increasing world wide and again - they state that they are ready and "willing" to suffer for His Sake.

I knew your motive for this thread from my first post on page one - you didn't need to tell me why again - but I'm glad that you did, because now I will pray that you will ready yourself as well and others can pray along as well.


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...They've read Martyrs Mirror, Richard Wurmbrand, Foxes book of Martyrs and on and on and they're are ready and don't feel they "will not be here" to see the persecution that has gone on and are aware that it is increasing world wide and again - they state that they are ready and "willing" to suffer for His Sake.

As I have said before, some people just read about it but I have already lived it.

You will need to be ready, but I won't be here.

OJ

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