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DEADn

I don't think I am imaging this so this is why I am making a post to ask this question.

I have noticed that alot of churches and individuals within churches seem to want to go to Africa for a missions statement. The church I go to has had a few people go to Rwanda and they even have a couple of little girls raising funds for water for Africa.

I noticed in the paper, yesterday, this is a graduated high school girl who has gone to Africa as a missionary and she is teaching the kids education and teaching the adults civility. Pictures show her having fun and sticking out like a sore thumb.

This morning, as I walked with my wife, We walked past the church across the street and as I was telling her about these thoughts I happened to look up and see a poster 'Beads for Kenya'.

I also saw a video at the church about a girl who grew up poor but was somehow able to graduate high school. She now wants to go to Africa to help the kids in need. My first thought was what about American kids in need?

What is the fascination with African and all this missionary work. Personally, I am getting to the point to which I find these groups going there under the guise of helping but really wanting to be seen by others but this is because I see so much on it. I liken it to the 'Feed the children' informercials.

Seems that alot of churches are doing these things in Africa but I don't see much for Asia and even South America.

Do I have a valid point with this? What do you think?

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DEADn

I also want to ask why some of these same churches who have people going to Africa aren't doing more in their own communities or even in other communities and other states. Surely we have hungry poor people here who need food.

It could be possible that some of this is happening but 'Africa' always seems to be emphasized and missions to America seem to never happen in the same scope except about Christmas and Thanksgiving.

Any thoughts?

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Blayne

Hi! DEADn

You're question, "My first thought was what about American kids in need?", is a controversial one.

Strangely enough, the same can be seen with celebrities and their social causes. For instance, Talk-Show host Oprah hurried off to South Africa a few years back to build a school while her own hometown Chicago's educational facilities suffered grievous poverty.

I suspect that the deliberate choice of geography is due to the romanticism of days-gone-by; the propaganda induced idea of saving the wretched and uncivilized from themselves.

But the over-reaching factor is the dictates of Capitalist culture. When social causes are pursued in foreign countries, it's named charity. But when pursued in your own country, it's named socialism. The capital system loathes works of charity because it threatens to reveal the failure of Babylon and it's Code of Hammurabi declaring, "In my deep wisdom have I enclosed them. That the strong might not injure the weak, in order to protect the widows and orphans".

While I don't pretend to know the motivations behind any particular Mission effort, it appears that not all of them have managed to escape the dominance of the capitalist culture. Some have obviously volunteered to totally immerse themselves into it; while others have merely stumbled inadvertently towards it.

Take the Republican hierarchy's decision to put forward Rommney as this year's Presidential contender. By nominating a Mormon, they abused the very Evangelicals who had consistently voted for them from as far back as the days of Jerry Fallwell's "Moral Majority".

The facts might be that the futurists of Republican Party know full well that an economic tsunami is about to befall the world systems; including the North America. When this occurs, we can fully anticipate poverty and destitution to increase to horrific numbers and consequences. It will be a time of the community churches asking, "What would Jesus do?"

The Republican Party boasts of being the steward of market economies ... of declaring that the value of a man is calculated by what he owns ... by the profits he produces. The last thing the Republicans want to hear from their followers is the demand that the 1% volunteer to assume the Christian posture of giving and sharing.
The Republicans are about to repudiate the Christian Right and embrace the radical Tea Party in preparation for the 2016 election when the stakes will be even more extreme because the economic tsunami will have arrived by then.

Anyways, that's my two cents.

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by DEADn on 2012/6/13 4:03:34
I also saw a video at the church about a girl who grew up poor but was somehow able to graduate high school. She now wants to go to Africa to help the kids in need. My first thought was what about American kids in need?
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DEADn

Blayne

I perceive from your post that capitalism is a cause of issue of the information of my post? Then you go off into politics. You probably have some kind of beef there and that is understandable BUT my questions are not aimed at that.

You mentioned Oprah and I thought 'You, you see where I am going in my post' until you got onto the politics part which I don't think play a direct role in all of this.

The essential question is why do we see churches always doing something in Africa while seeming neglecting their own community, and state and country? Even unbelievers recognize this and will bring it up. It ends up being left to the government to provide for needs. In Africa, I suppose this doesn't happen.

You mentioned Romanticism- I would say that seems like a good choice of words for some of this. A romanticism over it.

I think in light of this I may email a few churches and get their perspectives on this. After all, am I to think that God is calling all of these people to do these things in Africa and America is falling hard? It could be the case but then again as many christians would say, can this be shown from the bible that it is God's leading?

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sermonindex

I think it is encouraging s high school graduate wants to do something for the kingdom be at home or abroad. So many young evangeelical kids are absorbed in self gratification. So for s young high school graduate to do missions is commendable certainly worst things they can be doing
In China the young people are sent to training centers where they work during the day and then spend several hours s night studying the scriptures. The Chinese church is investing in the next generation of church leaders. More do then what the American church is doing.

What a persons motives are going overseas is between them and God. I think it is commendable if one hears the voice of God and goes. Key us encourage the young people to be involved in kingdom work and go.

Now how many of us adults are doing something for the kingdom???????

Bearmaster.

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DEADn

bearmaster

I agree with what you say but it still misses my point. Why is it seemingly always Africa that people go to and this isn't limited to high school kids or college kids. These are also adult groups.

My wife says it is because they are the ones with severe drought all the time. I think, ok, there is a point there but does that mean Africa is a central issue to missions? Just asking.

Also, I really like the earlier reference about Oprah and Africa. Makes me wonder why she doesn't use her resource to help troubled youth here in America who are in need of mentors or even better yet, a girls home. Maybe Africa looks like a better part for praise?

Sometimes I wonder if I have a chip on my shoulder through this.

John

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NateMarshall

DEADn,

It seems to me that throughout church history there's always been a central focus on missions in a particular area. Whether that's the only place God was calling Christians or not, I can't be sure, but it's been a pattern. China was the "if-you're-really-called-to-be-a-missionary-you'll-go-to-China" destination for a good number of years, South America, and now Africa (again). It probably starts in good conscience before God with an individual or a group, who stirs up others to realize that they are being called to go as well, and it perpetuates; but of course there are those that only hop on the bandwagon so that their church receives notoriety and praise among the church. Because their really is a ton of work to be done there: providing for physical AND spiritual needs. The physical needs abound, and so the potential for ministering to the spiritual needs increases. It's really exciting to think about. But the question is: does it excite us so we look good (as an individual church body, or pastor, or missions organization, etc.), or does it excite us because God will be glorified in the doing of that work?

I think that missions is needed anywhere that the name of God is not being praised. America included, absolutely. We're living in a post-Christian society where the gospel has become a facet of our culture, rather than a culture transcending truth. And it's even being rooted out of our culture at the moment. The broken and hurting in America are often overlooked, even by the Church, because of the mentality that "anyone can make it in America with a little sweat and elbow grease", which is...arguable. Obviously there are people that are legitimately hurting and struggling to survive, people that have not heard or received the truth of the Gospel, even in our nation, and no amount of sweat or elbow grease on their part or the part of the world is going to do anything. Until we heed Jesus' words to help and give to EVERYONE that asks (not just those that look like they won't spend the money on cigarettes and booze), we won't be effective in reaching our own nation.

I know that for myself, I've actually struggled with this very tension. I have a heart for China (so stereotypical). I even speak Mandarin. I believe that I'm called to go one day. But as I look around at the neighbors in my apartment complex, they are killing themselves with drug and alcohol abuse, and worse yet, they are spiritually decaying because the Gospel has not yet given them life. How can I go to China when I don't care enough about the people in my community to share the Gospel with them? Is God putting a legitimate calling on my life? I believe so, yes. But am I failing in my calling as a disciple and apostle in my own sphere of influence? As far as my community goes, yes.

I don't know if I answered your question or not, but I hope you understand that you're not the only one that's thought about it. There is definitely need here. And there's definitely need in Africa. Who is sufficient for these things?

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sermonindex

John I understand your question. I have no clear answer for you. In my part of the country I thought it was Hatai. It seemed every major church groups werey I had no answer as to why? One could only hope that such groups are being Spirit led be it to Africa or Hstai.

Bear.

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sermonindex

John I was trying to say that most major evangelical churches were sending groups to Hstai in my area. I had no reason as to why. Msybe it ess a fad. Msybe Africa is the new fad. Trust God will usr it.

Bear.

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sermonindex

Interesting thread, with a lot that can be said on the matter. It's almost 3AM here, so I'm going to head to bed, but I'd like to take a chance to respond to the question tomorrow.

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sermonindex

For that matter right after the Soviet union collapsed everybody wanted to go to Russia. I was one of them. At the time it was a Romantic fad. No calling of God.

Bear.

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DEADn

bearmaster

I do here you. fad and romanticism have been some key words I have found in response that I think I would agree with. It does leave me sometimes wondering that when people make these trips and say 'God sent me to ......' While the trip may have been worthwhile in what was done, did God really send them there? It is a question separate God's leading from the fad and romanticism of it.

I am not hear to pick on these groups who do these things although it may seem so. I think part of my interest is the tide of interest in these areas and using the 'leading of God' to confirm it when it is probably the fad or romanticism or something else for that matter.

I think it could go under the header of hearing the Voice of God or the leading of God vs. the leading of self in the name of God. Does that make sense?

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gators52

Deadn, I live in Lakeland where this girl is from and I read the article this morning. This girl did this on her own compassion. And honestly for you to question what God has put in and on her heart for these people and post it here as if you are some authority is a little ridiculous. Brother this girl is doing the work of Christ and you are criticizing her for it. Come on dude. I pray for my sons to be as she is...

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philomastix

DEADn,

I generally have two responses to this phenomenon, one which gives those involved the benefit of the doubt and one that is more cynical.

The positive, yet reserved, response, is that Western Christians frequently have a heart's desire to "do good" for the Kingdom, for other people, for those suffering, etc. With this desire seeking an object, it seems that a trip to Africa is significant and worthwhile and "Oh those poor people are in such need of help that we can provide." Perhaps some don't know of other options, or feel that local missionary efforts are not as important. As unjudging as I can say it, they mean the best.

The missionary's path to Africa is a well-trodden one. Dr Zac Kiyingiye of the Church of Uganda connects the rise of the African mission movement to the European colonial effort. There is surely something to this. Western popular cultural discourses frequently diminish Africa and present it as a land desperately needing help. The trillions of dollars given in aid to the continent by wealthier developed nations further cements this discourse. In a logistical sense, many missions organizations are well established in Africa and have long histories with many connections, even to power. Setting up a trip for a church group is relatively easy, then. Africa is also easier to sell to people when one is appealing to churches for support. I remember when a group from my church went the youth leader commented that the congregation came out of the woodwork to support it financially, though he had difficulties getting support for a local outreach. There is also a sense in which it is "more meaningful" to go far - the romanticism that has been mentioned.

But all of this doesn't mean it's a good thing. My wife and I served a couple terms in a remote part of Uganda, teaching the Bible to those in the local churches who wanted to learn. Judging, after those years, that our ministry was complete, we returned to North America. The church was able to continue growing without the infantilizing crutch of the rich and know-it-all Westerners. We saw revival on a local/regional level, concluded that God was working, and left.

While I am sensitive to the heart's desire of the youth of our church (or, really, anyone I know who wants to do well), I resist big talk about going to Africa for a short-term experience. And this for several reasons:

1 - the cost of sending a group is outrageous. Even our monthly support requirements (over $3000) seemed an absurd demand. I surely don't make that now in North America. We lived comfortably and effectively on far less, but such were the requirements of the mission.

2 - the purpose of the trip is frequently the experience, not the "mission" aspect of it. Because when so much money is spent and the group travels so far, one must needs take in the cultural experience and do some of the touristy things. Thus safaris and rafting on the Nile and such. These things aren't bad, but the excitement of these attractions surpasses the mundanity of ministry. For those coming from a consumer-culture, with consumer worldviews, the trip itself is something to consume. You can hear this in the words of teenagers listing off all the countries they've been to "for the sake of the Kingdom."

3 - it doesn't really help. Sure a group may build a church or a house or a wall, but I've seen in the community where I lived the negative effects. Suppose one is trying to bring men into the congregation. This is tough because it is perceived as a place for women and children. It works counter to one's efforts to have a bunch of teenagers come in with flashy clothes, equipment, and cameras, and build the church in a week and then leave. It emasculates when the work that would typically be the work of men (not that every gender-based tradition in Africa needs to be honoured. There is much to be challenged in the name of the Gospel) is done by rich white children.

Further to this point, for a group of North Americans to show up with gifts and "free" labour also diminishes the local culture and economy (Dambisa Moyo's book "Dead Aid" addresses this effectively on a macro-economic level). It re-performs the act of the rich country giving "aid" to the poor one. I say this about Sam's Child Christmas boxes, too. I have distributed them and seen that they bring out the worst in people, despite the heartwarming photos on the pamphlet. Twice North American groups came to our area, one group affiliated with our mission and one without. While the youths certainly gained from the experience, the people with whom we lived did not appreciate being the objects of their curiosity. They smiled to meet people, but resented their coming to pity the village.

So when I hear of a blessed youth from our congregation thinking of Africa, I don't suggest short-term experiences, or even raising a lot of money and sending it. If God is calling one to Africa now, I suggest getting educated and then judging if God is still calling one. Uneducated and untrained youths are not helpful, even though their purpose is a Kingdom one. I remember reading K. P. Yohannan's "Revolution" book while I was in Uganda and being so angered at his accusations against Western missionaries, angry in part because I couldn't refute what he wrote. The $5000 (or whatever it costs per person to go on such a trip) is better invested elsewhere, rather than plane tickets, accommodations, and adventurous trips to the game park.

So much harder is trying to discern what is a good thing to do to help, if that is one's God-given desire. One cannot ignore the world, but it is so difficult to actually help and not just ease our own consciences.

DEADn, I hope this has contributed something.

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DEADn

gators52

You narrowed my original post down to 1 person but my post is not limited to 1 person. It is to multiple people, groups and churches. Please reread it again.

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gators52

This girl is not looking short term but long term. She has purchased an acre of land and also is desiring to build an orphanage on the site. She went there and in order to find sleeping arrangements she cooked and cleaned for people. This is not a romantic idea or a fad. DEADn you failed to list all of these things and in doing so you made it seem as some pity this girl has on the poor people of Africa. Far from the truth....

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DEADn

philomastix

Good post here!

There really seems to be pro's and con's when it comes to youth on missionary trips and that is understandable. I am always amazed at the money it takes to go there. I have flown to the Philippines 3 times now but it didn't cost me $5000 for the whole trip but that is another story.

side note, Philippines has jeepneys as a great way to commute through Manila for cheap. One day when I traveled from a mall to my wife's apt a lady, sitting next to me, began to preach when we started rolling. It was in tagalog but I could tell when she mentioned the Name of Jesus. She preached until it was her turn to get off and this lasted abotu 20 minutes. I just smiled at her. I thought it was great!

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sermonindex

I think it may be that someone who feels god calling them to serve will be draw to the place they see the greatest need.
God bless these folks, and I pray that God gives them wisdom as to where to serve and protection.

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sermonindex

Paul wrote to the Philippians about the motives of preaching. Some were preaching Christ from pure motives. Some from false. But he rejoiced that Christ was preached. I guess we should encourage mission trips. But do it under the Spirit's direction.

Bear

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sermonindex

My first thought was what about American kids in need?
There is a real need in Africa, that goes without saying.

When I read your question above, the first thing I thought of was a verse in the Acts about Paul going to Asia but was warned by the Holy Spirit not to go there and I thought, why not? Is there not people there that need to hear the gospel too? But then another thought entered my mind and that is, "thy will be done".

Yes our local churches need help too, but if God sending others elsewhere, He must know what He is doing.

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sermonindex

I think philomastix made some great points, so I don't have much to add to what he said, though I will bring up a few additional thoughts.

Now, I'll preface this right off of the bat with the fact that I've only done missions work in East Asia, and never in Africa, so I'm sure there are different perspectives between the two that I'm completely unaware of, but I do think there are a few core things that would remain the same wherever one goes.

My first thought was what about American kids in need?

They are there for sure, and they're a big need. However much of that falls at the responsibility of the church, that has (in majority) shrugged this responsibility off, and said they'd rather have the state taking care of widows and orphans.

I mean, let's be honest, when was the last time you saw a congregation as a whole actively taking in widows and orphans the way the book of Acts and the rest of the New Testament tells us to? I'm not saying it DOESN'T happen, but it doesn't happen with nearly the faithfulness and selflessness as it SHOULD be happening. And the worst part of it is that this should be the place where we absolutely KNOW this is the responsibility of the church. We've had that truth in America since the foundation of our country.

Now one could argue (and I'd have no problem with this reasoning) that knowing this, it should incline one even more to stay and to take hold of this, and work in their local mission field. However, the Lord doesn't always work with each person the same way. Those in America have an abundance of people who should RIGHTLY KNOW that they have a responsibility to the world for the sake of Christ that they're not fulfilling. But what about Africa (as a whole)? What about Turkey? What about China, Indonesia, Thailand, Japan, India, etc.? They don't have an abundance of people who know how the church should be acting and are just refusing to do it. They don't have anything. They most likely have never heard the name of Jesus, and even if they have, they odds are they've never seen Him living and directing the life of a believer. Just by sheer odds alone they have never had any encounter with the living Christ.

I mean, basic analogy, but it's more or less a Light in the darkness sort of thing. There's plenty of light in the States. But what about the lands where darkness abounds? America has had so much light, and so much opportunity to do right, I don't have any problem with someone doing as the apostles did and "shaking the dust off of their feet" with America. But that's not everyone's calling. Some are equally called to stay and proclaim truth. We're not to be the judges of that. God will lead and direct each person where He would have them (if they'll listen and obey).

Also, following that thought, consider this. And this may sound extremely simple and rudimentary, but this is something huge, so REALLY consider this. In America, by statistics alone, it would be quite a rare occasion to encounter anyone who has never been prayed for. Be it by their parents, children, relative, co-workers, friends, acquaintances, whoever. Odds are, just by the massive number of people who at least profess to be Christians in America, every person you meet will have more than likely, had someone, at sometime, praying for their salvation.

Now lets switch gears. I'll use my locale for a reference point. Japan. Roughly around 130,000,000 people. Of that, professing Christians alone (and this is a liberal estimation, as it only refers to people who probably don't feel completely uncomfortable being called a Christian,(and the Japanese include Catholics, Mormons, JWs in this count as well)) we're only looking at 1%.

Now, for actual believing Christians by the Biblical estimation, I think the estimates are (and this is a generous estimate indeed, though just from what I've seen here I would have to say it's considerably lower) around 0.5% or less. So in essence, realistically we're looking at less than 650,000 professing Christians in the whole country. And based just in what ive seen, I personally think the number is stageringly smaller than even that estimate. Based on that alone, there's the high possibility that everyday, whenever I'm out in a sea of people here, the chances are quite high, that not a single person around me has ever had their salvation personally interceded for before God. That's a big deal. A REALLY BIG deal. In the States people aren't looking at those type of odds. But that's the reality of missions work in foreign countries. And the contrast is sharp.

I mean, we many times see people we know, and people we love get saved around us in the States, but I would venture to say that all these people have had someone bringing them (faithfully or infrequently, either way) before God in prayer. Who prays for the specific people in the type of places where I'm at though? And places like Africa? Prayer is the one weapon that Satan and all of the world have no means whatsoever to combat. They can stop building programs, attack our bodies, our health, our finances, our families, about anything we can think of. They can not stop nor combat our prayers though.

This is one of the major differences between working in America where there is need, and working in the darkness of a mission field (where there is also need). Each is called to the place that God would have them.

As far as people's motives and intentions go, only God knows. Now, I know exactly what has been brought up here about people just going for trips and stamping God's name on top of it. I personally see that all the time here. Short term missions group that in actuality are just a church group on vacation together. I'm well aware of such things, and they're far too common. However, even places like where I'm at have churches filled with people who also know the truth, yet don't really feel like acting on it, thus making the burden even more overwhelming. In such places, we'll take as many as God would send that have a heart for outreach, even if we think they could have been used where there from, because honestly, we have the same need, but not nearly as many laborers.

And all in all, the ones who come to the field with selfish ambitions usually get rooted out within the first year or so anyway. God can sort out people's intentions.

Hopefully this answers a bit of your initial inquiry. I'm a bit pressed for time, and wasn't able to get into specifics, but hopefully this makes a tad bit of sense.

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Trekker

QUOTE: "I have noticed that alot of churches and individuals within churches seem to want to go to Africa for a missions statement. The church I go to has had a few people go to Rwanda and they even have a couple of little girls raising funds for water for Africa. I noticed in the paper, yesterday, this is a graduated high school girl who has gone to Africa as a missionary and she is teaching the kids education and teaching the adults civility."==DEADn


Ah, the SOCIAL GOSPEL. Under the guise of missionary activity. Teach them beadwork, sewing, and civility, and raise money for them to have water. All well and good, but how much of the TRUE GOSPEL gets taught in the midst of it all? While bringing them money for water, are they REALLY also being given Living Water?? Or just churchianity, crafts, and "education"?

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gators52

Ah, the SOCIAL GOSPEL. Under the guise of missionary activity. Teach them beadwork, sewing, and civility, and raise money for them to have water. All well and good, but how much of the TRUE GOSPEL gets taught in the midst of it all? While bringing them money for water, are they REALLY also being given Living Water?? Or just churchianity, crafts, and "education"?


That's a pretty cynical statement to make.... The social gospel???? Do u know any of the ins and outs of any of this or is that just the first negative and untrue thing that comes to your mind? That is the true gospel brother. Read or listen to Jackie pullinger...

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sermonindex

I think what Trekker was saying that those things in and of themselves are not bad things, but if that's all that's given, or if it isn't clearly stated Who's sake its being done for, then you're left with a social gospel, like the one presented by Mother Teressa. It's like withholding the only medicine that can save a dying persons life, whilst measuring them for a new, nice looking suit to wear in the casket.

At least that's how I understood it.

Like Trekker said, give them water, but never present it without Living Water.

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DEADn

Trekker

I see where you are going with your words and I can agree with them yet sometimes in order to win some to Jesus their needs need to be met. Social gospel? Yeah, I think that is needed because man is a social creature but it must also be met with the conviction of sin in there as well.

Another post mentioned about them being missionaries in Africa and noting that some of the residents there don't always take too kind to some of the missionaries coming with a ' I feel sorry for you so I will help you' attitude. Sometimes I wonder how much of this really gets lost in translation.

Let me preface all of this by saying that with my original post I am not condeming people who go to African to help them with whatever it is they are going to help the residents. My question is the act of going to this particular place vs. other place because it really seems to be an envogue type of place to go because of media exposure and whatever other exposure happens to come. I am sure that in the process God will still do some kind of work there in their midst.

Next time missions is presented at church noticed what countries are spoken about or emphasized and ask why is God leading in this direction or why is the speaking speaking of this more than other needy areas. Most often it is Africa.

Even with Tim Tebow and famiy and the Philippines, how much do you ever hear about missions in the Philippines? I rarely hear much about the work going on there and the need for helpers.

Just me thinking out loud.....

John

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