Genesis 6:2
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose
What are your thoughts on whom the sons of god versus the daughters of men where??
I have heard it 2 different ways.
Just interested in thoughts.
I see sons of God as Satan's angels. I've heard it said that this was Satan's attempt to pollute the gene pool, to try and snuff out the messiah's coming. However this worked I'm not exactly sure, but we know it's going to be the same in the last days.
With the possibility of human cloning drawing closer and closer, those bodies are going to need souls from somewhere...
Maybe Anti-Christ will fake the virgin birth by being born of a clone somehow? Though with science the way it is now, I don't think you'd need a clone to bring about virgin birth.
There is a lot of good and interesting information here about the nephilim:
http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Demons
While I certainly don't agree with all of this author's theology, I find his explanation and conclusion that demons are the departed spirits of the nephilim fascinating.
I have also read somewhere that there may be a correlation between the nephilim-- (or their departed spirits) and Paul's enigmatic statement that women should wear head coverings "because of the angels." I think it had to do with the the idea that in the Book of Enoch (which expands on Gen. 6) certain angels were enticed by the beauty of women which led to their downfall.
The Rh Neg Blood Type, some say it is from Genesis 6 blood pool. Also, did anyone watch the Italian woman who gave birth in a hospital to a Zeus looking baby?
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=179790
Wow, it blows me away that you posted this today, because i was pondering this very thing myself just last night/early this morning!
I have always read that everyone believes that some angels came down and had sex with human women because they found them attractive and i just never quite believed it.
I think i also read another theory that said that they were fallen angels who wanted to spread their demonic seed thru the human race.
What's weird to me is it all isn't better explained, as though God just didn't want to talk about it.
Paula,
I checked the link you provided but could not find the info you are referring to - the one about the woman giving birth to a Zeus looking baby.
But reading the first two pages on that forum blew my mind away. From the beginning I felt it may be weird. Then I saw where one poster on page one called this owner a mystic. She also says she is involved in the paranormal (page 2). Somehow I get the sense that whatever info she shares will be contaminated, not saying she may not be spouting some truth, but there is too much of the other to cause me to distrust her.
My take on this site...it is one I would not recommend as a reliable resource. Reckon it generates more questions then answers...
QUOTE: "Maybe Anti-Christ will fake the virgin birth by being born of a clone somehow? Though with science the way it is now, I don't think you'd need a clone to bring about virgin birth."==EVEREST
Actually, the AntiChrist won't have to fake his birth at all, He can just CLAIM he was born of Mary. Afterall, this is supposed to be his SECOND coming, not his first, remember? So i imagine he will just appear on the scene and no one will know anything about his origins or parentage and so no one will be able to prove different.
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What's weird to me is it all isn't better explained, as though God just didn't want to talk about it.
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If God did not want to talk about it, maybe we should limit our inquiry into it?
The other link that was posted here has a lot of weird things on it - things I wonder how edifying it is. I am afraid it will lead to an unhealthy (spiritual) interest in the paranormal.
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believes that some angels came down and had sex with human women because they found them attractive
I think i also read another theory that said that they were fallen angels who wanted to spread their demonic seed thru the human race.
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I have heard of it, too. Seems as though people just are not sure.
God bless.
Good to see you, Paula.
Just about blood types...
The Rh Neg Blood Type, some say it is from Genesis 6 blood pool.
That would freak a lot of people out. Satan could take on any blood type. If fallen angels can take on the form of a man, I'm sure they can go with any blood type they like.
Imagine GOD allowing them to pull off only one blood type ... I can't imagine that one.
I'm not worried, I have the same blood type they found on the shroud - AB+ and that about the shroud blood type is really on the net but we all know that the shroud was a hoax - so it gives us an idea of how superstitious that folks can get and how Satan can counterfeit blood types. There's also one blood type that the Catholics are finding in their stigmatic 'miracles' as well. It's just to freak people out or give them the thought that they might be special if they have this Catholic superstitious blood type. It would be best to go to a website that specializes in tracing blood types from their origin. I have a global map on that but I don't know where I downloaded it from, but it explained blood types and how people got the type they have, scientifically.
I believe the nephilim were what you all are saying, but I just don't believe he'd make it that easy for us to do a blood test that would scare a ton of other Christians or people in general, that believers in nephilim.
I say that AB+ could be called vampire blood because that type can be almost univeral receivers and only 4% of the world have that type and some claim that that type is only 1000 or 2000 yrs old.
Truthfully, when I first started to read about this stuff - it sure did scare me and I don't scare easy -- so imagine these poor folks with Rh Neg thinking their Daddy's the Devil.
MaMaMia! :)
GOD Bless you!!
Hi Trekker,
This teaching of Fallen angels having sex with human females is certainly not universal and a commentary we used last week at a bible study actually looked at this teaching.
JFB? Faucet Brown? stated that the sons of men where from one of the tribes/countries and the women from one of the others. this is also supported by the Schofield teaching
It has been said that scripture interpretes scripture. The word of God states that angels are sexless, neither Godly nor fallen angels can have sex. That alone undermines that teaching.
There is also a related teaching of a preadamic creation which is where the Nephilem may have originated.Either we believe Gods word concerning Adam being the first man or we do not
Wombat, can you site the scripture(s) for angels being sexless? I have been studying this too lately due to the questions of my older daughter concerning Genisis 6. Much to be reflected on I believe.
"And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
"There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown."
So, how do you explain the giants? Giants being "Mighty men of reknown." Even though these were slain at the flood, it is apparent that again, these evil angels were able to enter into pro-creation upon Earth.
Goliath and his brothers came from this seed. Angels did take women on Earth to wife, as bizarre as it sounds, and had sons of their own.
"The word of God states that angels are sexless, neither Godly nor fallen angels can have sex. That alone undermines that teaching." wombat1
The Word of God never once says that angels are sexless, nor does it state that they cannot have sex.
"Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven."
First of all, this is referring to holy angels and the holy redeemed; to the angels of God, in HEAVEN; not the angels of Satan. Men will be like them; we will not marry.
Secondly, the reference is to them not being married, not to their ability or inability to have sex, and Jesus is referring to the Resurrection time, which these fallen angels will never see. Neither holy angels or holy man will be married, or have sex, in a holy heaven, I agree.
"There is also a related teaching of a pre adamic creation which is where the Nephilim may have originated. Either we believe Gods word concerning Adam being the first man or we do not." wombat1
The reference to the Nephilim, has nothing to do with a pre-Adamic creation of mankind in my mind, but everything to do with a pre-Adamic rebellion in Heaven of angels; where holy angels became evil angels.
These unholy angels tempted the first man at the edge of the garden, in the tree. After that fall, it appears to me, that they defiled that first body of men, through fornicating with the women they chose; there-by creating these extra-humans; 10 feet tall monsters; half human, half demon; mighty men of reknown, like Goliath, or "Hercules".
This is the Bible explanation. Do you have another answer to as how these beings arrived on earth?
"And a champion went out from the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, from Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span. [ 10 feet high]
He had a bronze helmet on his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail, and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of bronze. [ 125 lbs.]
And he had bronze armor on his legs and a bronze javelin between his shoulders.
Now the staff of his spear was like a weaver’s beam, and his iron spearhead weighed six hundred shekels; and a shield-bearer went before him."
There are several more mentioned in the Bible; a "race of giants."..IE: Nephilim.
I don't know but this sure is a head banging topic that I hadn't given much thought to until this thread.
I'm looking at it since Wombat posted and the word "nephilim" is only found twice in the OT and the other place is after the flood destroyed those first ones - Num 13:33 - "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, **which come of the giants**: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."
There's other verses that talk about men that were "tall[er]" and again they're of the same peoples mentioned above - Deu 1:28 "Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there."
From Genesis 6:2 through the remainder of that chpt, GOD only talks about "man & men" - that caught my eye most.
Could it just be that these evil doers [men/humans] were demon possessed and it doesn't quite have much to do with their height?
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all *flesh* had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Just reading all of Genesis 6 to see if there is anything other than "flesh and men" that would differentiate these giants with those of Anak [post flood].
wombat wrote:
"The word of God states that angels are sexless, neither Godly nor fallen angels can have sex. That alone undermines that teaching."
Where does the word of God state this? Jesus said in Mt. 22: "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."
If that is the scripture you are relying on, I believe you are reading more into it than is actually there.
Back to why I did believe the fallen angels part - was because the term "the sons of God" is only mentioned in Genesis 6:2&4 and Job 1:6 - 2:1 & 38:7.
All angels in the Job accounts - both fallen and not fallen.
Yep,
Nephilim, indeed.
Yet, why is this so hard for us to grasp and grip. They were not that different in feature and stature than the average hyper-cosmeticized "Basketball Wife" in stilleto heels or other "larger than life" steroid pumped IFBB Pro or other metamodern day celebrity with all the plastic surgery, high-topped false tresses, etc. and you probably have a 21st century descendant of Gath.
(not trying to be comical, but seriously)
And aren't most folks striving to have their bodies morphed into all sorts of asymmetrical abominations of the created human form via surgical procedures, most of which are meant to amplify human features such as lips, muscles, bone structure, etc?
These are indeed the "Days of Noah" and all that encompassed this particular age still exists in our own.
Love-in-Christ,
KP
Ginnyrose, "If God did not want to talk about it, maybe we should limit our inquiry into it"
I agree with the futility in areas God has been silent, but I don't find very many of them. What I do seem to find is much tradition that has crept into what is so often taught.
I believe that our search for Christ in the scriptures, whether Old or New testament should lead us into great exercises and meditations. One could easily pursue a subject like the Nephilim as a fact finding mission, but like our true pursuit, where in it do we find Christ and a deeper appreciation of God? Surely the word drips with it and He is just waiting for our contemplation just as a Father waits for his young and learning child's new discoveries.
Trying to get one's head around the whole condition of mankind in such great depravity and rebellion that God said, "NO MORE!" (paraphrase) Mankind except for a man favored by God and that man's immediate family would be the only survivors out of an entire planet.
Then no sooner off the ark and his son does an evil that Leviticus 18 greatly warns off as deserving death and a small but further insite as to why God's patience bore no longer with man's unbridled desires. What other great depravities abounded preflood that man has since taken liberty of God's grace when God promised He would no longer destroy the earth by water? Does pagan Egypt and the promised land of Canaan hold a better people? A necessary ethnic cleansing where child and animal must parish and even the ground purified by fire? Are we not like these without Christ? Certainly our day is as evil.
Strange flesh an angel and a woman, strange flesh a blood relative with a blood relative, strange flesh a human with an animal, strange flesh a man with a man or woman with a woman. It all seems to speak of the condition of mankind in rebellion to God's order. An order He has created for His creatures very protection. HOW DESPERATE THE NEED FOR A SAVIOR FROM ALL OF THIS.
What a great creator we have in Christ who has designed so beautifully a creation with order so that we might further begin to understand, praise, and thank Him that He has opened the eyes of those once blind.
Something that always stuck out to me was that as far as I know, we are not sons of God until the acceptance of Christ when we are made a new creation.
John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name
The term "sons of God" refers to an original creation of Jesus Himself. In the old testament, I believe the term "sons of God" was only used of the angels. It wasn't until after the death of Christ that we had this ability.
Jude 1:6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
The word habitation used here is called Oiketerion in greek.
This word is only used twice in the Bible. The other time is in...
2 Corinthians 5:2 - For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven
The word "house" is the translated word.
Oiketerion is the heavenly body we are striving for while it is the body the angels shed when they sinned. Hope this clears a bit up.
I must say though, it is easy to develop an interest in the occult because of this knowledge so i would warn you ahead of time to seek God. In Him you will find truth and only in Him.
Definitely!
I pray for our minds. The tempter permeates and distorts the Word of God at all angles with his own angled perspective.
Nephilim, supernatural beings do not fascinate nor distract me, (Thank the Lord). Afterall, Christ is the penultimate supernatural being. His being is all the distraction and wonder I need.
KP
QUOTE: "JFB? Faucet Brown? stated that the sons of men where from one of the tribes/countries and the women from one of the others. this is also supported by the Schofield teaching.
It has been said that scripture interpretes scripture. The word of God states that angels are sexless, neither Godly nor fallen angels can have sex. That alone undermines that teaching."==WOMBAT
Ahoy! I see you are from the Land Down Under! Always nice to meet someone from Australia. : )
I don't know what to think about the gender of angels, mate'. : ) I have always understood them to be male. But let's assume that they ARE sexless, that still does NOT mean they cannot have sex with humans. If (as they clearly have at times according to scripture) they take on the form of a man then they clearly would be able to engage in sex.
I don't know what you are referring to in the first paragraph. The scripture did not use the term "sons of men" but rather "sons of God". They took wives from the "daughters of men", finding them very "fair". And the result of this mating was that they produced "giants" (in my King James the term "nephilim" is not used).
And this here is the reason i have always had trouble understanding how angels could mate with women: because angels are VERY LARGE. It takes giants to produce giants, except if there is some genetic anomaly or hormonal disorder. But what do i know, it's not as if i have ever met an angel (to my knowledge). Am just finding it wierd. I have read some good articles out there on this topic on the web though. Most state the Nephilim were the offspring of fallen angels.
QUOTE: "Secondly, the reference is to them not being married, not to their ability or inability to have sex, and Jesus is referring to the Resurrection time, which these fallen angels will never see. Neither holy angels or holy man will be married, or have sex, in a holy heaven, I agree."==BROTHERTOM
This is another topic i think a whole lot about. I often think, could sex of the flesh down here be justa prototype of far better and different kind of union in Heaven that people will have? Could it be perhaps, that the kind of union we will be able to experience in Heaven will be so euphoric and so intense & powerful that it would kill MORTAL man to experience it? Perhaps we will be able to experience a union there that makes sex seem dull by comparison. I think there HAS to be some kind of such experience there, cuz otherwise there are going to be a lot of people disappointed and longing for sex. Cuz let's be honest, there is not a person alive who does NOT want sex (unless he/she has some sort of mental disorder, low hormone levels, trauma, or other abnormality) So i think there will be a union of some kind that replaces sex with other people, but with an even greater ecstasy. And once we are free of these bodies, then we have nothing to cause us to desire sex. Afterall, no one wanted sex when they were 5 years old. It was just the horror of puberty and those wicked hormones that screwed everything up! Before that, we were all fine and clear-headed!
Secondly, pondering the absence of marriage there...this can be extremely disheartening to those who have never married and desire the intimacy of marriage...maybe it means we will all just be like children there...or maybe it means there just won't be any need for it. Or maybe it means both. Maybe there will be no need for a covenant between two people who love each other, or much more rather we will all be so rooted in Christ as our bridegroom King and our union/intimacy with Him that that is the only thing that will matter.
Trekker, God is so beautiful that you will never get tired of Him. I believe that being with Him is more than enough. His glory, brilliance, goodness and so on is portrayed clearly in the bible. Even Moses after speaking with God had a radiant face. And when God cause all His goodness to pass in front of Moses, He had to cover him with his hand and Moses could only see His back.Even the seraphs covered their faces in the presence of the Lord
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Nephilim, supernatural beings do not fascinate nor distract me, (Thank the Lord). Afterall, Christ is the penultimate supernatural being. His being is all the distraction and wonder I need.
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AMEN!
This thread is getting weird and weirder....
ginnyrose
@NMatheson
Good points, bro.
I was waiting for someone to bring those Scriptures up.
Hi! 'ProudPapa'
You asked: "What are your thoughts on whom the sons of god versus the daughters of men?"
For instance, I read a recent Thread here about the meaning behind the prayer closet.
It requires the attributes of a 'renewed mind' to see the truth behind the phrase 'closet'.
Our Lord used he word 'closet' in Matthew 6:6 amongst other places: "But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret".
Prayer is an activity which takes place in secret; in the heavenly places. The term 'closet' shows that during prayer a man shuts himself off from natural life. The meaning of the words of Jesus in Matthew 24:26 are now clear to us. The 'closet' is the unseen inner man.
Of course, what would anyone know about the workings of the 'inner man' unless his mind has first been sufficiently renewed to comprehend it? What would a natural orientated mind know about being "seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus"?
Not surprisingly, we find many chasing a multitude of theories and dusting off an endless variety of commentaries and ancient word origins to hopefully discover treasures. Yes, these can often be useful, but only a renewed mind can uncover the spiritual treasures.
The Bible clearly says, "Even angels long to look into these things". If the very angels are unable to fully comprehend God's intents and purposes towards man, why would we Christians continue to believe that we can somehow see into things without a renewed mind?
Couple this with, "None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord".
And people still don't understand the urgency of having a renewed mind? This is astounding when you think about it.
Ask anyone if the devil can read our thoughts. You would probably get a hundred different answers; unfortunately, most of them again would be desperate theories and futile speculations.
Now, to your question: "sons of god versus the daughters of men"? (Sorry for the long introduction).
Yes, some commentaries and word origin studies can assist our knowing, but the full understanding can only be understood by a renewed mind.
Jesus made a direct connection between the last days we live in and the prehistoric times, with the words: "For as it was in the days of Noah, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be", (Matt 24:37).
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Two things stand out in this passage.
One is that there was a marriage disparity. Whom did the sons of men marry? No one. Their women went for someone else. This resulted in great wickedness and violence. There are situations today in our multi-cultural societies that are similar and we will also pay a price in violence. We need to wake up to this.
Secondly, look up information on Montauk, illuminati, Svali, Fritz Springmeier, etc. Lots of information. I've met a man who said that he had had sex with these beings. He said the sex was the best he had ever had. These beings are real and they are organized (as organized as demons can be) and have a hierarchy. Look up the stories of those who have come out of mind control. Ephesians 6 speaks of powers and principalities.
"Oiketerion is the heavenly body we are striving for while it is the body the angels shed when they sinned. Hope this clears a bit up."..NMatheson
I had never considered this NM; thank-you. It makes sense, doesn't it. We see Lucifer, once sublime, joyful and radiant morphed into a reptillian like dragon. [ The awful sentence of his transgression..] This event must have fueled his contempt for the Father Jahweh. [ Jesus and the Father are one. Consider yourself being made a lizard...]
I had another thought about the Nephalim [ who I consider to be the offspring of demons and men..] I cannot believe that God would allow the innocent women of Earth to be taken by these demons at will. I am guessing here, deducting my ideas considering what I know of the justice and character of God, but it seems that they were complicit.
"So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth."
And God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth."
....And, of course, He did. We are not told which line, of either Ham or Japheth, [ descendants of Anak ] or exactly when the Nephilum reappeared after the great wipe-out [ the flood ], but they did. [ Maybe of the seed of Nimrod, the satanic father of Babylon?]
Because this phenomenon is so mysticly perverted and bizzare, is it to be ignored as anathema? No! It is very important, as to consider the wicked supernatural as a reality to war against.
We know there were "Giants in the land"
1.Genesis 6:4
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
2.Numbers 13:33
There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
3.Deuteronomy 2:11
They were also regarded as giants, like the Anakim, but the Moabites call them Emim.
4.Deuteronomy 2:20
That was also regarded as a land of giants; giants formerly dwelt there. But the Ammonites call them Zamzummim.
There appeared to be a king of a land that was a Nephalim.
5.Deuteronomy 3:11
“For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the giants. Indeed his bedstead was an iron bedstead. (Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?) Nine cubits is its length and four cubits its width, according to the standard cubit.....and the Israelites under Joshua had hand to hand combat with them. The demon-men had a country, and a land; Argob, and a region, BASHAN.
6.Deuteronomy 3:13
The rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, the kingdom of Og, I gave to half the tribe of Manasseh. (All the region of Argob, with all Bashan, was called the land of the giants.
7.Joshua 12:4
The other king was Og king of Bashan and his territory, who was of the remnant of the giants, who dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei.
I have been to Ashtaroth, in North Israel today. The great flood occured in circa 1614 BC., and the demon-men appeared about 150 years after, and remained on Earth at least 500 years to the time of Davis and his mighty men, 1014 BC. The last recorded one alive was here:
Giants Destroyed
When the Philistines were at war again with Israel, David and his servants with him went down and fought against the Philistines; and David grew faint.
Then Ishbi-Benob, who was one of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose bronze spear was three hundred shekels, who was bearing a new sword, thought he could kill David.
ABISHAI was one tough Israeli warrior....
But Abishai the son of Zeruiah came to his aid, and struck the Philistine and killed him. Then the men of David swore to him, saying, “You shall go out no more with us to battle, lest you quench the lamp of Israel.”
18 Now it happened afterward that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob. Then Sibbechai the Hushathite killed Saph, who was one of the sons of the giant.
19 Again there was war at Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.
Yet again there was war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number; and he also was born to the giant. So when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea, David’s brother, killed him. [ David's nephew ]
22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants.
So, we see, that the Nephalim could pro-create too. There may be something about the Anti-Christ similar...as he is called "The son of Perdition." The Nephalim were a spiritual counterpart to something that is very real today, and in considering them, in the light of the Gospel, may enlighten us to the severity, and the reality of the battle we are in today.
All eyes on Jesus, Eh?
I don't see that angels can be referred to as "sons of God". That is akin to saying "all men are his children" and saying Jesus is not the only begotten son. While all men are His creation they are not all His children. Angels have no need of salvation and will never know of it. Jesus was/is not the savior of angels. It isn't the angels who rejoice when a sinner is saved, but those who are among them. Why? Because they don't know a personal need of salvation and will never experience it.
The verse in Genesis has to be referring to godly Jewish men who intermarried [against God's will] with those women of pagan gods and non believers. Nephilim being one result or consequence of disobedience.
There is question about scripture which teaches angels can't procreate, where are the verses which indicate they can? In the scriptures, only Godly males are adopted "Sons of God".
The topic is certainly interesting but we should be careful to avoid what IMO boarders pagan mysticism.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
"When humankind began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them, the son's of God saw the daughters of humankind were beautiful. They took wives for themselves from any they chose."
I could see a couple of problems brewing here. The term humankind presents a specific part of creation. Unnecessary except for the identification and specification of that which contrasts it. Is it unusual for humankind to take for themselves humankind but I would agree that there should be no underestimation of the offense of one chosen by God to partake of what is suppose to be a Godly union and partnership of belief with one who is foreign to God.
A Godly jewish line pre- Abraham might be a problem but in the overall context of what is being presented, we arrive regardless of our opinion at a rebellious union, no matter the players. Rebellion is never without consequences. Once again pointing to the only One who can rescue the fallen man. Might one walk away from a great plane crash with no other survivors and ask God, "Why me Lord?"
Hi! 'NMatheson'
I absolutely agree with your comment saying, "In the Old Testament, I believe the term 'sons of God' was only used of angels". The phrase "sons of God" in the Old Testament only references angels, (eg: Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7; Dan 3:25.28).
This is in keeping with the fact that the term "sons of God" indicates beings (angels) produced by the Creator Himself. This is why Adam too is a "son of God", as Jesus stated in Luke 3:38.
Subsequently, the regenerated humanity, the New Creation is "incorruptible seed, by the living and enduring word of God born again", (1Pet 1:23) and also bears the name "sons of God", (Rom 8:19; Gal 4:6).
I would also like to add the following to your keen observation concerning the 'nephilim':
To fully grasp the Genesis narrative, one has to connect it to Jesus saying, "For as it was in the days of Noah, so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be", (Matt 24:37).
I mentioned earlier that we need a 'renewed mind' to comprehend this Genesis account; meaning to say, we have to "put our minds on things above", (Col 3:2).
"The daughters of men" were those who God viewed as those who would produce marriageable daughters; those whom God desired and purposed to connect to as one. So it was that God later spoke about Israel as "the daughter of Zion" or the daughter of My people.
But here is where we need to "set our minds on things above" ... aka: "And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom" ... to understand how there were "nephilim" and that "they left their own home", (Jude 6), and sought communion with the spirits of men.
We positively know that God does not create malformations and abnormalities; He has nothing to do with anything which disrupts the purposeful harmony in His creation.
Therefore, we recognize that the origin of the deviant and grotesque creatures belong to the evil one.
Simply stated:
The disruption and violence narrated in the Genesis account was caused particularly destructive angels which had powers of immense wickedness unprecedented heights of violence.
In the endtime, (according to Rev 9:11), their commander will again be revealed in the visible world. His name is there in the Hebrew, 'Abaddon'.
Peter wrote: "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness"(2Pet 2:4,5). Peter was writing about an especially evil category of angels.
Jude 6 further informs, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day".
Then we can connect the Genesis account to what Jesus said in Matt 24:37) with Revelation 9:1-2, "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit".
"But as the days of Noah [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be".
Note the above verse stating: "marrying and giving in marriage". This is a mirror of the Genesis account. Men will seek to become united (married) to the Antichrist, the son of Apollyon, (Abaddon).
There's alot more which can be said about this, but my Post is much too lengthy as it is.
But I want to again thank you for sharing your view because it greatly encouraged me.
Blayne, I'm glad I could be used to encourage you. It's kinda funny because I have had the Bible in my life since a young child. It wasn't until 6 or 7 years ago (I can't remember exactly lol) that I came across that verse in Genesis 6. When I read it I became angry because I have NEVER heard it preached on. So I dug very deep into it.
One thing I have realized in all of the confusion one can make in discerning the word of God. The Word will NEVER work against itself. If we read "contradictions" in the Bible, it is never because their are contradictions, it is merely because we have a lack of understanding.
Proverbs 25:2 - It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Mathew 7:7-8 - Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Indeed, if we do not accept the confusion, and seek earnestly for clarification, we will not be disappointed.
Ultimately it comes down to seeking Him Himself.
Psalm 119:2 - Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
I know that if we keep Christ as the center in all of our actions and desires, than confusion will not beset us, for it is the work of the Devil. Sometimes it is hard to persevere through tough questions but we must not let slothfulness affect us in such a way.
Sorry... I get carried away sometimes.
QUOTE: "Trekker, God is so beautiful that you will never get tired of Him. I believe that being with Him is more than enough. His glory, brilliance, goodness and so on is portrayed clearly in the bible. Even Moses after speaking with God had a radiant face. And when God cause all His goodness to pass in front of Moses, He had to cover him with his hand and Moses could only see His back.Even the seraphs covered their faces in the presence of the Lord."==LEARN
That is so beautiful and exciting just to read it (what you wrote)! But who could ever get tired of God.
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